My Latest Theory: "Maintenance" Pumping

brianrex · Feb 7, 2007

In my never-ending quest for (any) permanent girth increases, I have decided to experiment with what is for me a new approach to pumping -- what I'm calling "maintenance" pumping. After listening to a number of long-time pump veterans, I think I'm going to try a MWF primary workout schedule (60-minutes or so long), interspersed by Tuesday and Thursday, when I do one quick, 10-minute "maintenance" pumping set each morning. I'll take the weekends off completely for rest and healing. My goal is to maintain a larger than normal girth virtually all of the time (hence the "maintenance" pumps). My theory is that eventually my dick will have to adjust to the increased "temporary" girth with incremental "permanent" growth.

In short, my Penis Enlargement schedule will look like this:

M: Primary workout (3 x 10-minute "dynamic" pumping sets @ 2 to 5 hg, 1 x 10-minute clamping set, jelqing breaks, 60-min total, ADS)
T: Maintenance pump (1 x 10-minute "dynamic" pumping set @ 2 to 5 hg, ADS)
W: Primary workout
Th: Maintenance pump
Fri: Primary workout
Sat: Rest
Sun: Rest

I tried the 10-minute maintenance thing this morning after a pretty intense workout yesterday. It's almost 4 pm and I'm still much girthier than normal in my Therawrap. Feels great and I've experienced increased hardons all day! (I almost embarrassed myself at the gym, lol.) The question for me is whether I'll be able to maintain a larger than normal girth continuously, without the negative PIs (i.e., weaker erections) that I experienced with pumping in the past. Any vets have any thoughts on my latest theory about "maintenance" pumping and girth gains?

goldmember · Feb 7, 2007

brianrex said:
My theory is that eventually my dick will have to adjust to the increased "temporary" girth with incremental "permanent" growth.

Why would you make that assumption?

brianrex · Feb 7, 2007

goldmember said:
Why would you make that assumption?

My assumption is based on the basic idea that temporary gains may be "cemented" over time as the body adapts to the constant stress. You find fault with it? Please school me on this...

10inchadvantage · Feb 7, 2007

I personally think a better routine would be:

Primary
Maintenance
Middle
Rest
Primary
Maintenance
Middle
Rest

Having two rest days in a row seems to be pushing it.

goldmember · Feb 8, 2007

brianrex said:
My assumption is based on the basic idea that temporary gains may be "cemented" over time as the body adapts to the constant stress.

I'm just not really sure that pumping really even causes what you can consider "gains". Is fluid build-up really a "stress"? Sure it stresses the lymphatic system, but it is not a structural stress. Some guys at Tiger's Place (I think it's called) have been doing marathon pump sessions several days per week for several years with no permanent gains.

On the plus-side, if you don't mind pumping every day, then technically the increased size isn't temporary.

allaboutmore · Feb 8, 2007

I tried something similar to this for 10 weeks (from Oct. 2006 to Dec. 2006) with little to no rest days (6 to 7 days straight). My routine went like this:

15 mins. hand jelqing + jelqing device
3 x 10 min pumping sets @ 4-9 Hg
5 mins jelqing after each pumping set
60 mins total

Once I felt that I had become "condiditioned" to that wrokload, I added another pumping set untill I had reached 60 mins of pumping in 3 x 20 min sets.

Each day I tried to become and remain 100% erect for pumping. In order to accomplish this, I had to limit ejacualtion to once a week as well as use the typical erection supplements.

Unfortunately, I made little to no permanent gains from all of that. I was 5" MSEG and I ended up around 5 1/8" after two weeks of deconditioning. No length gains. However, I feel that my glans made permanent gains.

Then I saw a good thread over at �other forum� on water pumping that convinced me to try it. My new girth routine as of Jan. 4 goes like this:

600 jelqs (as in the newbie routine)
50 "5 second pause" power jelqs with the jelq device (I do this for head expansion)
1 x 35-45 min water pumping set @ approx. 4-5 Hg (I don't know the exact pressure because I'm sucking the water out with my mouth)
No rest days

So far, the results from water pumping are FAR better than anything I got out of air pumping. Here's what I've noticed:

1. A water pumping set can go much longer than an air pumping set.
2. Any fluid build-up is very evenly distributed. I never get a donut effect like I did with air.
3. The temporary expansion lasts a great deal longer for me than it did with air. 24 hours after a water pumping set, my girth is 5 1/4 to 5 3/8. With air, the expansion was mostly gone within 12 hours.
4. Erection quality is much better. Air pumping seemed to eventually have an adverse effect on erections.
5. If done in a tub like I do it, the warm water keeps the temperature much more consistent than a heating pad wrapped around the cylinder when air pumping.

Admittedly, I may have been overpumping with air, but I always got uneven fluid build-up at any pressure. Water pumping seems to actually expand more of the inner penis because when I work myself up to 100% erect after a set, the chambers in my dick feel much bigger and harder with minimal sponginess under the skin. After air pumping, my dick just felt mostly spongy from all the fluid under the skin.

Needless to say, I'm convinced that water pumping is superior to air pumping. I plan on keeping this routine goiing non stop for the next few months and see where I'm at.

Just my two cents.

brianrex · Feb 8, 2007

allaboutmore said:
I tried something similar to this for 10 weeks (from Oct. 2006 to Dec. 2006) with little to no rest days (6 to 7 days straight). My routine went like this:

15 mins. hand jelqing + jelqing device
3 x 10 min pumping sets @ 4-9 Hg
5 mins jelqing after each pumping set
60 mins total

Once I felt that I had become "condiditioned" to that wrokload, I added another pumping set untill I had reached 60 mins of pumping in 3 x 20 min sets.

Each day I tried to become and remain 100% erect for pumping. In order to accomplish this, I had to limit ejacualtion to once a week as well as use the typical erection supplements.

Unfortunately, I made little to no permanent gains from all of that. I was 5" MSEG and I ended up around 5 1/8" after two weeks of deconditioning. No length gains. However, I feel that my glans made permanent gains.

Then I saw a good thread over at �other forum� on water pumping that convinced me to try it. My new girth routine as of Jan. 4 goes like this:

600 jelqs (as in the newbie routine)
50 "5 second pause" power jelqs with the jelq device (I do this for head expansion)
1 x 35-45 min water pumping set @ approx. 4-5 Hg (I don't know the exact pressure because I'm sucking the water out with my mouth)
No rest days

So far, the results from water pumping are FAR better than anything I got out of air pumping. Here's what I've noticed:

1. A water pumping set can go much longer than an air pumping set.
2. Any fluid build-up is very evenly distributed. I never get a donut effect like I did with air.
3. The temporary expansion lasts a great deal longer for me than it did with air. 24 hours after a water pumping set, my girth is 5 1/4 to 5 3/8. With air, the expansion was mostly gone within 12 hours.
4. Erection quality is much better. Air pumping seemed to eventually have an adverse effect on erections.
5. If done in a tub like I do it, the warm water keeps the temperature much more consistent than a heating pad wrapped around the cylinder when air pumping.

Admittedly, I may have been overpumping with air, but I always got uneven fluid build-up at any pressure. Water pumping seems to actually expand more of the inner penis because when I work myself up to 100% erect after a set, the chambers in my dick feel much bigger and harder with minimal sponginess under the skin. After air pumping, my dick just felt mostly spongy from all the fluid under the skin.

Needless to say, I'm convinced that water pumping is superior to air pumping. I plan on keeping this routine goiing non stop for the next few months and see where I'm at.

Just my two cents.

Good points. I'm hoping that my "dynamic pumping" approach with the QS7 will duplicate the effects you get with water pumping. I don't have the time or privacy required for water pumping, unfortunately. As for your previous routine and your minimal gains, I'm taking this as a cautionary tale. Less may sometimes equal more. That is, I want to keep my eyes on the PIs and pull back a bit when they start to go south. So far, so good. I'm aiming for constant expansion without the sponginess. We'll see... I am encouraged by your glans growth, though. How big was the difference? I could use a little enhancement in this area too.

goldmember · Feb 8, 2007

I certainly would be interested in glans growth as well. I have heard that Uli's Routine is a very good method of glans enlargement.

allaboutmore · Feb 9, 2007

brianrex said:
Good points. I'm hoping that my "dynamic pumping" approach with the QS7 will duplicate the effects you get with water pumping. I don't have the time or privacy required for water pumping, unfortunately. As for your previous routine and your minimal gains, I'm taking this as a cautionary tale. Less may sometimes equal more. That is, I want to keep my eyes on the PIs and pull back a bit when they start to go south. So far, so good. I'm aiming for constant expansion without the sponginess. We'll see... I am encouraged by your glans growth, though. How big was the difference? I could use a little enhancement in this area too.

Condom pumping is something I haven't tried yet, but it may work like water pumping if it can restrict the fluid build up under the skin. I need to get some polyurethane condoms and give it a shot.

As for the glans growth, my head looks much fuller and a better "shape" overall, both flaccid and erect. Erect, the circumfenece is a little over 6". I think the two things that led to this were:

1. The jelq device. Close to 100% erect, I use this to slowly force as much blood into the head as possible. The expansion in the head is really intense. You kinda have to experiment iwth kegeling and reverse kegeling to get the pressure to build up just right, but when it does, you'll know it. I hold that pressure for a few seconds each rep.

2. Packing the cylinder. I was using a 2" Kaplan cylinder. The problem was, half way through the first pumping set, my shaft had already filled the tube so that all of the pressure was only pulling on the head. I eventually moved up to the 2.25" cylinder but I always started with the 2".

IMO, there is a problem with Kaplan cylinders though. They are tapered so that in the 2" cylinder, my head was actually being constricted girthwise. At the end of a set, my head started looking like a fucking lamp shade because it was taking the shape of the cylinder itself. Seriously, I wish I had pics. I'd like to start over with the velseal cylinders someday.

DLD · Feb 10, 2007

Hey Brian, What are your stats now?

brianrex · Feb 11, 2007

doublelongdaddy said:
Hey Brian, What are your stats now?

Hey, DLD, still looking for that girth solution. I'm a hair over 9" bpel x 5.5 midshaft and a little over 6" at base.

DLD · Feb 12, 2007

brianrex said:
Hey, DLD, still looking for that girth solution. I'm a hair over 9" bpel x 5.5 midshaft and a little over 6" at base.

That is massive but if you're looking for more girth PLEASE check out the SLOW SQUASH JELQ (with or without a clamp) nothing is as intense as this exercise. Girth needs to be maximumly expanded with each session and the SSJ does this.

brianrex · Feb 12, 2007

doublelongdaddy said:
That is massive but if you're looking for more girth PLEASE check out the SLOW SQUASH JELQ (with or without a clamp) nothing is as intense as this exercise. Girth needs to be maximumly expanded with each session and the SSJ does this.

Thanks, DLD. I've checked the slow squash jelqs out before. I got to tell you, though, those things scare me -- along with all of the erect bends. They do seem to work for guys though. Maybe I haven't been aggressive enough with my girth exercises. I'll give the current routine a shot before moving up to the heavy artillery.

allaboutmore · Feb 13, 2007

doublelongdaddy said:
Girth needs to be maximumly expanded with each session and the SSJ does this.

I'm starting to grasp this now. It almost seems like building girth is analogous to building a muscle with the exception of recovery time. You can't build a muscle bigger using low intensity over a long peroid of time. Instead, you have to use maximal intensity to recruit as many muscle fibers as possible within a set time.

I'm finding that to get the most out of a jelqing session, I have to maintain a 75% erection while using a very firm grip through each rep. I've also noticed that jelqing much beyond 30 mins only gives diminished returns as the tissues are too fatigued at that point.

I guess my theory with the water/condom pumping is that after doing the jelqing session, I'm trying to hold the blood in the fatigued tissues in hopes that this will help cement the work done (while minimizing fluid buildup). So far it seems to be effective.

I definitely plan to move on to the SSJs when I feel I've gained enough length to focus on girth.

brianrex · Feb 13, 2007

allaboutmore said:
I'm starting to grasp this now. It almost seems like building girth is analogous to building a muscle with the exception of recovery time. You can't build a muscle bigger using low intensity over a long peroid of time. Instead, you have to use maximal intensity to recruit as many muscle fibers as possible within a set time.

I'm finding that to get the most out of a jelqing session, I have to maintain a 75% erection while using a very firm grip through each rep. I've also noticed that jelqing much beyond 30 mins only gives diminished returns as the tissues are too fatigued at that point.

I guess my theory with the water/condom pumping is that after doing the jelqing session, I'm trying to hold the blood in the fatigued tissues in hopes that this will help cement the work done (while minimizing fluid buildup). So far it seems to be effective.

I definitely plan to move on to the SSJs when I feel I've gained enough length to focus on girth.

Interesting theory re: girth. This definitely holds true for skeletal muscle. I'll give my current routine a shot and see and switch to a shorter more intense routine if it doesn't produce results. Now if I can just get over my fear of those SSJs!

brianrex · Feb 15, 2007

UPDATE: 2/15/07

Well, fellas, it's been more than two weeks of my "maintenance" pump routine with the QS7 (full pump MWF, with light pump T, Th, and Sat, Sun rest) and full steam ahead. Absolutely NO erection issues, despite pumping almost daily and clamping and pumping for nearly one hour on full workout days. This is a first for me. In the past, pumping always started to weaken the erections by the second week or so. Maybe this is all the result of my soy experiment (see my thread on eliminating soy from my diet). Or maybe the QS7 and "dynamic" pumping is the answer for me!

Last night, I hooked up Mrs. Brianrex for Valentine's day and the unit was more than up to the task, despite a grueling pump/clamp routine earlier that morning. I'm in the tube right now for my Thursday morning 10-minute maintenance pump the morning after. It feels great and the dick was hard before going into the tube.

THE BOTTOM LINE: This could just be the answer I'm lookiing for. With my ADS, I'm staying plumper than normal virtually continuously. I'm hoping, of course, that this routine will eventually pay off in some permanent girth increase for me. If not (and in the meantime), I have an enhanced flaccid hang (over 7" now) and I'm fatter both flaccid and erect pretty much all the time (judging from Mrs. Brianrex's reactions last night, it certainly makes a difference, lol.) The only drawback: concealing everything with the Therawrap ADS at the gym during workouts is getting to be a challenge, lol.

10inchadvantage · Feb 15, 2007

If I saw you in the gym with a 7" flaccid, I'd be saying "life just isn't fair." I hope you gain some good girth from this. I'm hoping water pumping can make some real gains for me.

brianrex · Feb 15, 2007

10inchadvantage said:
If I saw you in the gym with a 7" flaccid, I'd be saying "life just isn't fair." I hope you gain some good girth from this. I'm hoping water pumping can make some real gains for me.

Well, I've always been a "shower," as opposed to a "grower." That said, it has been hanging lower than usual lately.

10inchadvantage · Feb 16, 2007

brianrex said:
Well, I've always been a "shower," as opposed to a "grower." That said, it has been hanging lower than usual lately.

Well I guess I'll say it now, "life just isn't fair."

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