DLD: An observation on pre-PE size
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Guys, I think we have let this get a little off track here....sort of like saying "Yep, another Amtrak train "sort of" derailed ........slightly". I think that once in a great while a naturally 10"+ penis can happen but, who can really guestimate what those numbers are? Nobody can. I have also come to believe that more men in adult entertainment know about Penis Enlargement than let on that they do. Lexxington Steel is a fabulous example. He goes so far as to be quoted as saying "There is absolutely (stressing absolutely of course) no way a man can make his penis bigger without surgery." But, those of us who have seen him get bigger over his career know better dont we? Who knows why these guys wont openly admit that they have done or continue to do Penis Enlargement? Fear of competition? Fear of loss of face? Fear their reputation will be tainted somehow? Pride? So, can the underwear a boy does or does not wear during adolescence affect his penis size? That's another issue that will most likely never be resolved. It's fun to speculate all we want but, really guys...how will we ever know? LOL. I mean you cant really hope by polling a couple thousand guys on a Penis Enlargement forum ...especially when only 20 may reply...to reach a concrete conclusion on that issue can you? I think women sometimes have it easier than us men. There are many more women who have naturally larger or trully huge breasts than men with large or huge penises. It's also much more accepted for a woman to desire larger breasts ....especially when it's for the better-ment of her self esteem.....(riiiight)...than for a man to want a bigger penis....we're selfish chauvanistic pigs if we want that. Surgery for breast enlargement is a damn exact science these days and pretty much is guaranteed successful...whereas Phalliplasty may or may not have a successful result...and cost just as much if not more. ok, I have officially rambled for the day.
REDZULU2003
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I was gobsmacked to see these commetns by Waxn....I was never hostile....just voicing my HO.....no need to be like this.
I know you dought....fait enough thats fine..I couldnt give a fucking toss tobe frank....but please act like an adult.
All this keeps getting REAPenis EnlargementD UP again and again.
Theirs things in this post that should of been new posts.
But anyways.....one answer to the crap ya posted just tome.
DLD did not question my size...as its REAL.
He knows its real.
Simple as.
Now handle it.
Get ya arse into gear.,,,,act like an adult.....help me dont work against me I can be a BIG freind to you.
And get exercising....you can be BIG ....My freind......can the hostile twisted thoughts........it wont do ya mind anygood...I wish u well and hope you can leave this bullshiet in the vault where it belongs.
cya
I know you dought....fait enough thats fine..I couldnt give a fucking toss tobe frank....but please act like an adult.
All this keeps getting REAPenis EnlargementD UP again and again.
Theirs things in this post that should of been new posts.
But anyways.....one answer to the crap ya posted just tome.
DLD did not question my size...as its REAL.
He knows its real.
Simple as.
Now handle it.
Get ya arse into gear.,,,,act like an adult.....help me dont work against me I can be a BIG freind to you.
And get exercising....you can be BIG ....My freind......can the hostile twisted thoughts........it wont do ya mind anygood...I wish u well and hope you can leave this bullshiet in the vault where it belongs.
cya
Waxn, I disagree with your comments on this. In such an internet environment, it is very natural to be skeptic about penis size. Look at those pics at blacksonblondes.com, most of the big dicks show signs of Penis Enlargement. Of course, there are natural big ones among men from every races. No one is refusing to accept it.
As a Penis Enlargement newbie, I must ask what the "signs of Penis Enlargement" might be. I never knew there were obvious distinguishing factors.
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stillwantmore
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Some guys will say things like; discoloration like mine near the circ scar, more vienieness than usual (I dont think thats a good one), a bloated look (sign of pumping), an unusual taper, cone, or baseball bat shape, ...or the most obvious one ....seeing them get bigger over the course of several films. LOL. Lexxington Steele and Peter North are both "guilty" of that one.
Hey yall should pay attention to what mazdab8r said. read his post over.
I think i have recognized a major factor determining Pre=Penis Enlargement natural size.
I think INTELLIGENCE has some correlating factor determining penis size. I know it sounds far out and wild but just hear me out.
I have a brother who is ... well not mentally retarded, but just about half way there. He's ... just real dumb, I love him, so don't think I'm jealous cuz he gets girls and has a big dick. My brother's dick is about 8 1/2" naturally, now I'm born with just a average 6", (now I am barely hitting 7" thanks to Penis Enlargement)
That's one example. I have another a good friend of mine about the same size 8" max. He's not all to smart either.
Now does anybody have the image in their head of a nerdy computer geek carrying a monster dick ?? No, we all think of him as the "pencil dick". Who do we think of with big dicks ?? Football players, and just generally dumbass dudes.
Now I won't go as far to say that whoever has a 7" or above dick isn't intelligent, but do you see where I'm going with this here?
This can apply to race as well, it's a well known fact, so don't call me prejudice or anything, from studies across the globe, that blacks are generally lower IQ, whites are the average, and asians are the smart ones.
Do you see where I'm going with this? Black- big dick, white- average, asian - modest.
Now WHY would this be true? Well smart people tend to make a lot of money, which is what attracts their women, they don't NEED a big dick.
Whereas no matter how smart or rich you are, women will cheat on their small dicked smart rich husbands, and fuck the muscled big dick man of their fantasy whether he's smart or not!
Now think of this: if you are dumb AND you don't have a big dick, no women will want you, therefore you WON'T pass on your genes.
Sorry this is a theory of mine, I think it has a big impact on dick size, believe it or not. and back to the race factor, there's smart black guys, OF COURSE, and guess what ??? i've seen them naked and they have SMALL DICKS!!!!!
SO am i wrong or what ????!?!
-zeiofen
17 years old
7 INCH FINALLY!!!
I think i have recognized a major factor determining Pre=Penis Enlargement natural size.
I think INTELLIGENCE has some correlating factor determining penis size. I know it sounds far out and wild but just hear me out.
I have a brother who is ... well not mentally retarded, but just about half way there. He's ... just real dumb, I love him, so don't think I'm jealous cuz he gets girls and has a big dick. My brother's dick is about 8 1/2" naturally, now I'm born with just a average 6", (now I am barely hitting 7" thanks to Penis Enlargement)
That's one example. I have another a good friend of mine about the same size 8" max. He's not all to smart either.
Now does anybody have the image in their head of a nerdy computer geek carrying a monster dick ?? No, we all think of him as the "pencil dick". Who do we think of with big dicks ?? Football players, and just generally dumbass dudes.
Now I won't go as far to say that whoever has a 7" or above dick isn't intelligent, but do you see where I'm going with this here?
This can apply to race as well, it's a well known fact, so don't call me prejudice or anything, from studies across the globe, that blacks are generally lower IQ, whites are the average, and asians are the smart ones.
Do you see where I'm going with this? Black- big dick, white- average, asian - modest.
Now WHY would this be true? Well smart people tend to make a lot of money, which is what attracts their women, they don't NEED a big dick.
Whereas no matter how smart or rich you are, women will cheat on their small dicked smart rich husbands, and fuck the muscled big dick man of their fantasy whether he's smart or not!
Now think of this: if you are dumb AND you don't have a big dick, no women will want you, therefore you WON'T pass on your genes.
Sorry this is a theory of mine, I think it has a big impact on dick size, believe it or not. and back to the race factor, there's smart black guys, OF COURSE, and guess what ??? i've seen them naked and they have SMALL DICKS!!!!!
SO am i wrong or what ????!?!
-zeiofen
17 years old
7 INCH FINALLY!!!
hi all, this is my first post on any of these boards, forgive me if it's boring or doesn't advance the topic appropriately, I'm new to all of this. First off, the comments about race and intelligence in a previous post were beyond ridiculous and completely offensive. As a fairly standard young WASP, I often have a difficult time keeping in line with a fully PC rhetoric, but suggesting that race bears significant correlations with IQ across the board is just ignorance. I have gleamed that calling somebodey stupid on these boards is frowned upon, but I would suggest that plastering ass-backwards racist philosophies on a penis enlargement forum is an equally regrettable offense. Secondly, and this is a throw back to an older segment of the conversation, but I fealt compelled to weigh in, what Red Zulu I think is his name, was saying can be absolutely correct as far as evolutionary science is concerned. While other posters were quite correct in stating that environmentally derived characteristics are not transferrable generationally, that does not mean that a large penis could not be emphasized over genetic drift influenced by cultural standards. If Samoan culture placed a societal premium on a large penis, as indicated by engaging in Penis Enlargement, than having a particularly large penis may have awarded them a better opportunity to pass on their DNA. Whether this was through greater status in the society, awarding them more wives or more resources, or any number of other possibilities, generally speaking anything that gives you a "leg up" in culture increases your reproductive success. This being said, if the guys with the biggest wangs were reproducing more in a society that placed a premium on large penises, then over time their DNA would become more prevelant. ANY culture where a man could advance his status and prestige through an advertised penis size would eventually produce a favorable proportion of hung dudes. As for the video stuff, I have looked at some of DLD's studies, and based on what I know about optics and such he generally has a very good point in saying that the "big dick" driven adult entertainment market is filled with distortion. There are some very large penises in the small amount that I have seen, but I have experience in some digital video work through friends, and the tell tale signs of manipulation are present in pretty much all of the current porno I have seen. Even in the videos featuring very well-endowed men. Well, sorry for the long post, you all are a spirited group of debaters!
Actually the correlation between race and IQ is pretty well established. Asians are highest, whites next, hispanics next and then blacks. I think the assault on that correlation is that IQ isn't really a measure of intelligence, but some sort of cultural trivia test. There is also a correlation between religion and IQ, with Jews coming out on top in that contest.
It is fairly easy to substantiate these correlations with IQ tests, since you simply compile the scores according to whatever race or other factor you want to examine, and the correlations, if any, pop out. So to say there isn't an IQ correlation based on race is simply to deny the readily available evidence.
Whether one can demonstrate what IQ measures is something else again.
WaxN
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You're confusing 2 issues. Nobody denied that a culture which places an emphasis on penis size could, over many generations, actually raise the average penis size of that culture. That's perfectly understood & accepted. What Metal Ed tried to explain to RedZulu is that acquired traits cannot be passed down genetically.
If a man naturally has a big dick, then it's in his genes (no pun intended). He can certainly pass along that trait. But if a man was born with a small/average dick, but enlarges his penis with Penis Enlargement, HE DOES NOT ALTER HIS GENES. In other words, he still has small/average dick genes - and those very same genes are what he'll pass down. He CAN'T pass down "big dick genes" because he doesn't even have them. Remember? He was born small/average, etc. That is his genetics.
What's so difficult to understand? If I lift weights, will that make my children muscular? If a pale person tans deeply every summer, will that make their offspring darker???
Hell no, to both questions.
So how would "big dick genes" get passed along. Simple. By guys who were naturally big. Just like Michael Jackson can bleach the hell out of his skin & get his hair straightened, but the genetics he's passing along are those displayed when he was younger - not the "acquired shit" he did to himself.
WaxN
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This is more than well-known - it is, in fact, the basis of "Affirmative Action" in the U.S. Blacks are actually "given points" on entrance exams, job applicant tests, etc. Why? To try to close the gap which the testers know is already there.
That the IQs vary by race - even, to a degree, by gender - is well known. The controversy is over why.
By the way, I have a theory as to why the Jews, by religion, score the highest. It has to do with their study of Talmud - which begins at the earliest ages for boys. The Talmud is a collection of rabbinical writings spanning the centuries - religious debate, culture, dialectic, logic, etc. - the perfect classroom for growing the mind. Also, the study of Torah - considered every man's obligation. None of this is possible without intense reading - which I think also accounts for the Jews' higher-than-average literacy rates over the centuries (usually much more literate the average host population).
Well now, I never thought I would end up trying to substantiate my opinions in a scientific fashion on a penis enlargement website, but what the hell, this is interesting. As far as the evolution thing, I stated very clearly that I understand and agree that environemtally derived characterisitcs do not affect genetics, i.e. a bodybuilder does not prodcue buff kids, Michael Jackson should have babies with wide noses, and even the most hardcore Penis Enlargement'er would not pass his larger penis down the line. What I was implying is that evolutionary science is all about something known as reproductive fitness, which is esentially the catalyst for evolutionary direction. If you have characteristics that make you more fit to produce, which are esentially anything that makes you more desirable to the opposite sex or somehow better able to pass your genes around, then you have desireable genes, so to speak. Now, if the Samoans valued a big dick in society, and the men could advance their status and position by having a big one, then the men with bigger penises may have been having more sex, with more women, and having more kids, alloting themselves a greater share over the genetic index of their area with their more fit, better hung genes. I don't know that this was how it operated at all, I was simply saying that as far as evolution is concerned, it is very possible for culture to emhpasize penis size and that it most certainly probably does. Primate penis size in our closest realatives, chimpanzees and gorillas, is drastically smaller in proportion to body. The explanation for this is not fully flushed out but it would seem that with many other things, genetic drift has produced an emphasis on proportional penis size in homo sapiens. As far as the stuff about IQ and race, man I don't even know what to say. I guess I do, but it will take a while, don't bother reading anymore if you aren;t intersted in this facet of the debate because it's pretty much topical from here on in. Common knowledge? Not common to me I suppose, if you were willing to show me some legitimate scientific studies by university researchers that clearly stated all this I would feel a little better about it. While there may be some studies showing in limited selection groups that one race or ethnicity has scored better on IQ tests, let's not forget about things like socioeconomic factors and cultural norms as well. For instance, affirmative action is not based on certain races having lower IQ's. Some would say it is not designed to function strictly as a racial measure at all, and that is counterintuitive to the arguments I was hearing because affirmative action can apply to Asians as well, and I believe they were listed by some of you as the smartest group. Affirmative action is intended to level the playing field for minority candidates that come from backgrounds less conducive to college level study, and is rooted in a much deeper socio-economic concepts than strictly superficial race. It is definately engineered with diversity in mind, but that is primarily a result of the plain fact that minoirites suffer much higher poverty rates and many other factors not advantageous in the college process. If anything it is built on the belief that there is certainly no differance in racial or ethnic intelligence other than the intellectual and social opportunites we are given. Now, I have seen one study that is quite old, that demonstrates that black people score lower on IQ tests and that a few African nations have the lowest average scores on IQ tests. I saw this in my ninth grade history course and the teacher brought it in to explain how people use manipulative statsitics to place a simple explanation on complicated arguments. You see he had printed the study off of a white supremecist web site where it had been used in an article trumpeting the stats as final vindication that white people were the superior race. Total bunk. While I appreciate the distinction between IQ and intelligence, IQ is facotrable nonetheless as inate intellectual capability and is slightly more than any set of mental parlor tricks. So far as the study, I can easily say that in America black society, compared to white, is at a horrendous disadvantage. The proportion of young black males with criminal records or in jail, college educations, single mothers and whatever else you might guess is generally higher. Let's not forget that there was a seperate black educational system in this country until quite recent history, and no black education before that, unless the wanted to suffer some serious consequences. While education and IQ are different, there is such a thing as a trained mind, and all IQ researchers admit cultural bias for affluent society in IQ testing. Generally speaking wealthier mor affluent nations do better on national IQ averages, plain and simple, and it's not because Swedes are smarter than Pakistanis genetically. As for African nations scoring lower, well dudes, just take a look at Africa for a moment. Places like Liberia and The Ivory Coast are practically hell on earth right now, the comparison is not legit and there are far too many variables to just throw it all down to race. And in regard to asians being the msot intelligent, which asians do you mean? Certainly you would not say that a person from tibet is the same as a vietnamese? Or perhaps a Philipino is the same as a Japanese person or a northern Chinese, southern Chinese? There are a billion people in china, almost another billion in india, thats a lot of genes my friends, and hardly two genomes out there are the same (indentical twins excluded). To say one race, specifically suggesting there is some kind of "asian" race, is, i'm sorry, but inherently racist in itself. Asia is more of a geographic declaration than anything. If we follow that there is actually a valid sepeation of race here, shouldn't there be some kind of middle tier for say a mixed race, like my creole heritage friend from Orleans? Is she some kind of hodge podge of good IQ from her French grandmother and shitty IQ's from her black and indian grandfather? The more you break it down the less probable a racial distinction is. It seems more like comomon bias, especially the comment "it is generally known" or something to that effect. Generally known by who guys? Would you feel comfortable trying to enforce that opinion to a PhD of sociology, or biology, or psychology or neurscience for that matter? because from any three of those standpoints it doesn't really hold up. I would encourage you to step back and examine your feelings on this and see if they have more to do with intuitiion and assumption rather than empircal knowledge and true scholarship. We can't go around with that kind of mindset in the 21st century, it can only hold us back. DLD, if you're out there I would be curious to here what you have to say, I've been reading up on your stuff on here and you have some serious analytical capabilites and a frim grasp of argument. Shit man, you're sharper than a lot of my teachers when it comes to expressing your views, I'd love to hear your thoughts . . . although I think this thread might have most people by now . . .
REDZULU2003
Well-known member
Well Zeofein and Good.... have made EXELLENT points here.
Zeofein has basiclly backed up why we are given what we are..its his theory, but I agree some.
The Asians are smarter on IQ tests, than whites than Blacks.
So NATURE made it this way on average.......same with the dick size....the Asians are VERY clever on average while the Blacks aint.
But the Asians on average have small dicks......while the blacks are big.
The whites are just all over the show
Anyways....I reckon that theory is true.....nature did that to make it fair in some ways, for us to get mates.
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Waxn....we know you dont belive the gene thing I go on about.....you than compare it to Jacko and yourself weightlifting, sun-bathing and passing on tans, muscles and other shit.
You forget to mention AGAIN.....this would be one genaration...yourself.........not 1000's of GENARATIONS like I say.
A few years of messing about with ya body aint gunna pass jack shit on to the next bunch....but and I say AGAIN.....Many THOSANDS of years [1000 years] of persistance, dedicated work may very well do it.
Zeofein has basiclly backed up why we are given what we are..its his theory, but I agree some.
The Asians are smarter on IQ tests, than whites than Blacks.
So NATURE made it this way on average.......same with the dick size....the Asians are VERY clever on average while the Blacks aint.
But the Asians on average have small dicks......while the blacks are big.
The whites are just all over the show
Anyways....I reckon that theory is true.....nature did that to make it fair in some ways, for us to get mates.
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Waxn....we know you dont belive the gene thing I go on about.....you than compare it to Jacko and yourself weightlifting, sun-bathing and passing on tans, muscles and other shit.
You forget to mention AGAIN.....this would be one genaration...yourself.........not 1000's of GENARATIONS like I say.
A few years of messing about with ya body aint gunna pass jack shit on to the next bunch....but and I say AGAIN.....Many THOSANDS of years [1000 years] of persistance, dedicated work may very well do it.
REDZULU2003
Well-known member
...O yes and Spektrum I agree......written IQ tests are wank.
Poeple should not be judged what they do on paper....theirs degree students out their who cant do nearly any of the things I can....I aint a degree student, but having a degree gives some the idea they are the best....when they aint.
I go of face value.....I NEVER judge someone by their looks or the way they act....whats inside truley counts to me.
A Thick Black male maybe the best freind I may EVER have.
Poeple should not be judged what they do on paper....theirs degree students out their who cant do nearly any of the things I can....I aint a degree student, but having a degree gives some the idea they are the best....when they aint.
I go of face value.....I NEVER judge someone by their looks or the way they act....whats inside truley counts to me.
A Thick Black male maybe the best freind I may EVER have.
I'll get on board with saying IQ tests aren't a true indicator of much . . . too many variables, intelligence is just too broad to boil down into one conclusive test. I'm sticking to my guns that there is no difference in intelligence between races though. In my last post I mentioned that there isn't even reall and "asian" race when you think about it. Same for black people, white people, anybody else. The genes that go into creating the characteristics that we identify with race or such a tiny fraction of the genome it's almost negligable, and most of the physical differances between the so-called races is created by geographic accident and long-term environemtnal selection. But way back when a few million years ago or so when the human brain was still evolving into what we've got today, it took the same smarts for everybody to survive, and we lived in a much smaller geographic area back then and were probably all racially very similar. The brain is a tremendously complicated thing, and more than whatever racial label we slap on it goes into it's capabilities. Take 100 black kids, 100 white kids, 100 hispanic kids, 100 asian kids, 100 native american kids, 100 samoans, feel free to add anything else you want there, and give them all the exact same education and raise them in the same type of environment, then test their brain power however you see fit, but I gurantee you're aren't going to see a shred of statistical evidence that one group of kids came out somehow "smarter" than the rest. C'mon lads, one love, forget about parsing up different groups of people and focus on Penis Enlargement'ing like madmen . . .
Good - firstly since I know you're smart and use a lot of big words, you could paragraph so that it would be easier to see what point you are trying to make, from what I've seen your posts are a 'hodge podge' of 'mumbo jumbo'.
1. you can try to evade the reality that you've created with all the logic and stipulation that you want. Just accept the facts man. "21st century thinking" is "bunk". It's a fact that people were a lot smarter in the 19th century than they are now due to 'environmental factors' such as MTV.
Now you say there is not an "asian race" - excuse me, there are "sub-species" of the human race, we are all human, but there are three main types, negroid, caucasoid, and mongoloid. There is NO debating this because there are major differences in the facial, bodily, mental, and skin color.
You call me racist, I'm sorry but a racist is someone who DISCRIMINATES someone SOLELY on the fact of their RACE.
This is not what I was attempting to do in my post, I was laying out the facts of Penis EnlargementNIS SIZE due to RACE and/or Intelligence. Which both seem to have some sort of connection, and there is no denying this. -- Please don't resort to attacks on my character by referring to me as ignorant and racist. You have not the slightest idea to who I am or where I live. SO FYI I live in the INNER CITY of Atlanta, GA where the ratio is 75% black. If I was racist I wouldn't have survived very long. However, I myself have been subject to racism, which is the same reason every fight I've gotten into with was with a black guy and I WON EVERY SINGLE ONE. So that doesn't mean that ALL of them are strong. Which doesn't mean that ALL whites are smart. I've always went to schools that were ALL BLACK. So now, since I was subject to the same "Economic-Societal" factors, why was I the best student in the entire school? (this doesn't mean much since I was also had the highest grades in an ALL white military school in 10th grade) Why did I have a smaller dick than my black peers? Why was I weaker? (i did play on the football team though, 1 of 3 white boys) - My theory is based on OBSERVATION, where yours is based on Politically Correct "21st century" thinking. I think mine is more accurate.
Edit - i felt this had to be added - btw, with all your PC thinking and all, thanks to the ever-praised Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, ahem we have several places honored in his glorious name. One is a MARTA station, which is located next to one of the worst ghettoes in the city. Another is MLK JR Boulevard. A place that if I went to (less than a mile from where I am at) I would be stripped of my cash and/or offered crack in another ONE of the most decrepit, disintegrated, ugly places in the city. Yeah thanks DOCTOR KING!
Now when I stated the IQ table, I was not intending to offend anyone at all, if you took it that way, take the stick out from your ass, please don't bring a dick debate into a race debate, because you will only lose. I have the most observation and experience and knowledge on this matter.
This doesn't mean either one of the races DOES NOT have the capability to acheive what the others can. This does not mean that there are not dumb Asians, or smart Blacks, or strong Asians, or weak Blacks.
I'm picking on these two because they seem to be the most opposite, and whereas like RED said, whites are all over the board.
FINALLY, I'd like to say since I went to a military school, and I took showers with several guys every day I have this to say about dicks.
Russian - HUGE balls, average dick
3 blacks - one small (dorky, lame, unpopular, smart), one above average (average guy, smart), one HUGE (strong athlete, not smart)
French/half black/creole guy - Huge dick, large body, not smart.
"Nordic" white - (blonde blue eyes, avg intel) - above average
There was also a couple guys that surprised me, they were both white, one pale, one avg color, one SUPenis EnlargementR smart, one dumb as a rock. what confuses me is the smart one (unpopular, mean, asshole, nobody liked him) had a bigger dick than the black athlete (mean, unpopular, asshole). so that throws my theory out the window. the dumb one, also had about a 7" flaccid dick, but he wasn't athletic, and he was very unpopular.
So now is there a correlation between ATTITUDE and Penis EnlargementNIS SIZE ???
1. you can try to evade the reality that you've created with all the logic and stipulation that you want. Just accept the facts man. "21st century thinking" is "bunk". It's a fact that people were a lot smarter in the 19th century than they are now due to 'environmental factors' such as MTV.
Now you say there is not an "asian race" - excuse me, there are "sub-species" of the human race, we are all human, but there are three main types, negroid, caucasoid, and mongoloid. There is NO debating this because there are major differences in the facial, bodily, mental, and skin color.
You call me racist, I'm sorry but a racist is someone who DISCRIMINATES someone SOLELY on the fact of their RACE.
This is not what I was attempting to do in my post, I was laying out the facts of Penis EnlargementNIS SIZE due to RACE and/or Intelligence. Which both seem to have some sort of connection, and there is no denying this. -- Please don't resort to attacks on my character by referring to me as ignorant and racist. You have not the slightest idea to who I am or where I live. SO FYI I live in the INNER CITY of Atlanta, GA where the ratio is 75% black. If I was racist I wouldn't have survived very long. However, I myself have been subject to racism, which is the same reason every fight I've gotten into with was with a black guy and I WON EVERY SINGLE ONE. So that doesn't mean that ALL of them are strong. Which doesn't mean that ALL whites are smart. I've always went to schools that were ALL BLACK. So now, since I was subject to the same "Economic-Societal" factors, why was I the best student in the entire school? (this doesn't mean much since I was also had the highest grades in an ALL white military school in 10th grade) Why did I have a smaller dick than my black peers? Why was I weaker? (i did play on the football team though, 1 of 3 white boys) - My theory is based on OBSERVATION, where yours is based on Politically Correct "21st century" thinking. I think mine is more accurate.
Edit - i felt this had to be added - btw, with all your PC thinking and all, thanks to the ever-praised Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, ahem we have several places honored in his glorious name. One is a MARTA station, which is located next to one of the worst ghettoes in the city. Another is MLK JR Boulevard. A place that if I went to (less than a mile from where I am at) I would be stripped of my cash and/or offered crack in another ONE of the most decrepit, disintegrated, ugly places in the city. Yeah thanks DOCTOR KING!
Now when I stated the IQ table, I was not intending to offend anyone at all, if you took it that way, take the stick out from your ass, please don't bring a dick debate into a race debate, because you will only lose. I have the most observation and experience and knowledge on this matter.
This doesn't mean either one of the races DOES NOT have the capability to acheive what the others can. This does not mean that there are not dumb Asians, or smart Blacks, or strong Asians, or weak Blacks.
I'm picking on these two because they seem to be the most opposite, and whereas like RED said, whites are all over the board.
FINALLY, I'd like to say since I went to a military school, and I took showers with several guys every day I have this to say about dicks.
Russian - HUGE balls, average dick
3 blacks - one small (dorky, lame, unpopular, smart), one above average (average guy, smart), one HUGE (strong athlete, not smart)
French/half black/creole guy - Huge dick, large body, not smart.
"Nordic" white - (blonde blue eyes, avg intel) - above average
There was also a couple guys that surprised me, they were both white, one pale, one avg color, one SUPenis EnlargementR smart, one dumb as a rock. what confuses me is the smart one (unpopular, mean, asshole, nobody liked him) had a bigger dick than the black athlete (mean, unpopular, asshole). so that throws my theory out the window. the dumb one, also had about a 7" flaccid dick, but he wasn't athletic, and he was very unpopular.
So now is there a correlation between ATTITUDE and Penis EnlargementNIS SIZE ???
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I'm just going to through this out there do with it what you want. I have an extremely high I.Q. Tested when I was younger I scored 147 on the Wechler Adult and Children Scales. Later in life I was admitted as an inpatient for my extreme O.C.D. at a highly acclaimed hospital in Brattleboro, VT where I took the California Test of Mental Maturity & the California Test of Cognitive Skills scoring high 140's on both. Just for kicks I took the online Mensa testing a couple years ago and passed with flying colors. My pre-pe size was above average at 6.5". Analyze me...please
ps: I went to an all black school in inner city DC. I am 100% Italian. I am an 8th grade drop out.
ps: I went to an all black school in inner city DC. I am 100% Italian. I am an 8th grade drop out.
wow DLD that's really high, from what i understand 100 is average, and 130 is top 2% of the population, the most i ever got was a 136 on an IQ test on www.highiqsociety.com which i qualified for
140 and above is "genius" supposedly from what i hear
so you're a genius and worked your way to a gigantic cock, congratulations!
140 and above is "genius" supposedly from what i hear
so you're a genius and worked your way to a gigantic cock, congratulations!
hey bro, i didn't mean to come off like i was attacking you . . . truly sorry for any mix-up. i never thought you were a racist, meaning that you actively dislike any races purely for their ethnicity. i just meant the idea of things like intelligence hinging on race is racist to my sensibility, in that it makes a judgement about somebody based purely on their physical appearance. i draw a clear line between racism and bigotry. i think to a degree everybody is racist, it's so fucking ingrained into our culture that escaping ideas of race and ethnicity is a herculanian task, but i also don't think it hurts to try. we are after all, trying to make our dicks grow, and many would say thats pretty crazy.
however, i wouldn't call what i wrote before "mumbo-jumbo," and if you go back and read it without the impression that i'm judging what kind of person you are it might make more sense, although when i looked at it, it is near impossible to read in a huge block like that. i appreciate that you have some cultural experience living in a black community, but what i'm expressing is more of a biological argument.
i acknowledged that there are certainly some physical differences that we can easily classify as certain races, but from a modern biolgocal standpoint these are overly generic and highly simplified. you mention victorians may have been smarter, i dunno man maybe you just dig the 1800's because that is a very victorian line of thinking. what i was trying, i guess pretty poorly, to express was that A) morphic patterns hold no sway over mental compacity which is certainly a product of specifically different and varied environmental factors, and B) the gene pool is vastly different and varied, even within the main types of racial distinctions that you outlined.
for instance, although you may qualify some black guy you knew in your old neighborhood as being the same racially as a another black guy you saw on the street, the two could be so vastly different on a genetic level that to classify their realtive intellectual capabilities based on race alone just doesn't work. say the other black guy is not an american, he's from kenya or something. the other black guy from your neighborhood comes from a slavery descended line that has been in america for hundreds of years. first thing, the black guy from your neighborhood most likely has a fairly large dose of white-european genes, as do a large percentage of all black americans, and second, he is quite genetically different than the guy from africa.
while certain traits like cycle cell anemia can make their way across centuries of procreation into modern society, things like intelligence are just too broad to be assigned to certain populations with superficial physical differances, that again, are the result of divergent population migration resulting in different physical manifestions of environmental preferance (i.e . more pigment in skin protects better against sun, more body hair keeps you warmer in cold wet climate, ect.) there's no reason to say the brain had to develop any similar specialized coping mechanisms, and the physical differences we assign as "race" really have only come about in probably the last hundred thousand or less years, which on the general evolutionary time table is too slow for true cognitive modification. the brain evolves quite slowly, although in a comparatively rapid fashion in humans, but based on everything biological anthropolgy indicates, racial chacteristics that we recognize today (mongoloid, cauchasoid, ect.) emerged after the blueprint for the brain was set, and there is no indication that general intelligence has been otherwise altered in specific populations.
i hope that is a little more clear about what i believe, which simply is that race is a societal construct, and while there is an extremely obvious difference in the many varied physical appearances of people, we tend to do the typical thing and bring this down to the simplest classifications possible and deal with them as such. if you were so inclined you could breed a goup of people for hundreds of years to be five feet tall, be almost albino snow-white and have extremely large heads. do this for a couple millenia, you may have a full blown sub-species or whatever, but if it's a good sized population (it would have to be a lot of pasty midgets to be a numerically usable comparison) is their ambient intelligence going to be statistically different than any other populations? i could illustrate it over and over again; that there is any such thing as a more intelligent race does not work scientifically. we might have had different experiences or whatever, but the fact is, it doesn't make sense when you break it down. email any professor or expert you please about it, they'll spit almost the exact same stuff at you.
i'm begging you to have an open mind about it. i live in the south, and back in the day down here the cultural elite justified slavery for years after emancipation under the pretext that whites were somehow more intelligent. because of this there was an enormous wellspring of more enlightened schoarship done to prove just how silly this was. even around the turn of the century there were PhD's who devoted their lives to trying to scientifically prove that black people were mentally inferior to justify a racist social system, and every single one of them was discredited or shown to be in the wrong by better, even-handed science. people might not have racist intentions by feeling that there is a racial inequality in intelligence, but it can have racist affects in society as a whole. we have to bury that kind of thinking. it doesn't do one shred of good for anybody.
you kind of sound to be pretty conservative to me, are you? the old military school is another tip-off on that. i have a friend that shipped off to the air force academy last year and he went from left to right so fast i barely knew the dude when he came back home. i don't know, i'm trying to keep an open mind but the stuff about martin luther king kinda confused me, wasn't sure what you were getting at with it. the comedian chris rock already articulated in his stand-up act how ironic it is that in many cities there are locations named after dr. king, but most are in black communities with serious social problems and violence.
my "21st" century line of thought isn't really new age so much as a desire for more progressive thinking. letting go of the idea of seperating people by race and rather viewing humanity as a collection of cultures is one part of that. ask any modern scientist, the idea of "race" isn't scientific in the slightest, it's a construct made by people, just our tendency to group things together to make information easier to work with.
as far as penis size, i play high school football at an academy that recruits pretty heavily every year, and we have a good share of the "large dumb athlete" type, white and black on the team. i tend to agree with what i read is DLD's main contension, that racial differences are highly exagerated. i would say the greatest sway on the scale would be that i have not seen many black guys with a very small penis, but some whites. i'd say that generally, very generally as there are numerous exceptions in all things, that black and white revolve around a restricted average, that being that about 75% or so are around the 6-7 range, with others falling where they may, although black guys may indeed have a slightly higher average overall. i couldn't really say for too many other body types. we all looked pretty bad after a game in some cold-ass weather yesterday . . .
however, i wouldn't call what i wrote before "mumbo-jumbo," and if you go back and read it without the impression that i'm judging what kind of person you are it might make more sense, although when i looked at it, it is near impossible to read in a huge block like that. i appreciate that you have some cultural experience living in a black community, but what i'm expressing is more of a biological argument.
i acknowledged that there are certainly some physical differences that we can easily classify as certain races, but from a modern biolgocal standpoint these are overly generic and highly simplified. you mention victorians may have been smarter, i dunno man maybe you just dig the 1800's because that is a very victorian line of thinking. what i was trying, i guess pretty poorly, to express was that A) morphic patterns hold no sway over mental compacity which is certainly a product of specifically different and varied environmental factors, and B) the gene pool is vastly different and varied, even within the main types of racial distinctions that you outlined.
for instance, although you may qualify some black guy you knew in your old neighborhood as being the same racially as a another black guy you saw on the street, the two could be so vastly different on a genetic level that to classify their realtive intellectual capabilities based on race alone just doesn't work. say the other black guy is not an american, he's from kenya or something. the other black guy from your neighborhood comes from a slavery descended line that has been in america for hundreds of years. first thing, the black guy from your neighborhood most likely has a fairly large dose of white-european genes, as do a large percentage of all black americans, and second, he is quite genetically different than the guy from africa.
while certain traits like cycle cell anemia can make their way across centuries of procreation into modern society, things like intelligence are just too broad to be assigned to certain populations with superficial physical differances, that again, are the result of divergent population migration resulting in different physical manifestions of environmental preferance (i.e . more pigment in skin protects better against sun, more body hair keeps you warmer in cold wet climate, ect.) there's no reason to say the brain had to develop any similar specialized coping mechanisms, and the physical differences we assign as "race" really have only come about in probably the last hundred thousand or less years, which on the general evolutionary time table is too slow for true cognitive modification. the brain evolves quite slowly, although in a comparatively rapid fashion in humans, but based on everything biological anthropolgy indicates, racial chacteristics that we recognize today (mongoloid, cauchasoid, ect.) emerged after the blueprint for the brain was set, and there is no indication that general intelligence has been otherwise altered in specific populations.
i hope that is a little more clear about what i believe, which simply is that race is a societal construct, and while there is an extremely obvious difference in the many varied physical appearances of people, we tend to do the typical thing and bring this down to the simplest classifications possible and deal with them as such. if you were so inclined you could breed a goup of people for hundreds of years to be five feet tall, be almost albino snow-white and have extremely large heads. do this for a couple millenia, you may have a full blown sub-species or whatever, but if it's a good sized population (it would have to be a lot of pasty midgets to be a numerically usable comparison) is their ambient intelligence going to be statistically different than any other populations? i could illustrate it over and over again; that there is any such thing as a more intelligent race does not work scientifically. we might have had different experiences or whatever, but the fact is, it doesn't make sense when you break it down. email any professor or expert you please about it, they'll spit almost the exact same stuff at you.
i'm begging you to have an open mind about it. i live in the south, and back in the day down here the cultural elite justified slavery for years after emancipation under the pretext that whites were somehow more intelligent. because of this there was an enormous wellspring of more enlightened schoarship done to prove just how silly this was. even around the turn of the century there were PhD's who devoted their lives to trying to scientifically prove that black people were mentally inferior to justify a racist social system, and every single one of them was discredited or shown to be in the wrong by better, even-handed science. people might not have racist intentions by feeling that there is a racial inequality in intelligence, but it can have racist affects in society as a whole. we have to bury that kind of thinking. it doesn't do one shred of good for anybody.
you kind of sound to be pretty conservative to me, are you? the old military school is another tip-off on that. i have a friend that shipped off to the air force academy last year and he went from left to right so fast i barely knew the dude when he came back home. i don't know, i'm trying to keep an open mind but the stuff about martin luther king kinda confused me, wasn't sure what you were getting at with it. the comedian chris rock already articulated in his stand-up act how ironic it is that in many cities there are locations named after dr. king, but most are in black communities with serious social problems and violence.
my "21st" century line of thought isn't really new age so much as a desire for more progressive thinking. letting go of the idea of seperating people by race and rather viewing humanity as a collection of cultures is one part of that. ask any modern scientist, the idea of "race" isn't scientific in the slightest, it's a construct made by people, just our tendency to group things together to make information easier to work with.
as far as penis size, i play high school football at an academy that recruits pretty heavily every year, and we have a good share of the "large dumb athlete" type, white and black on the team. i tend to agree with what i read is DLD's main contension, that racial differences are highly exagerated. i would say the greatest sway on the scale would be that i have not seen many black guys with a very small penis, but some whites. i'd say that generally, very generally as there are numerous exceptions in all things, that black and white revolve around a restricted average, that being that about 75% or so are around the 6-7 range, with others falling where they may, although black guys may indeed have a slightly higher average overall. i couldn't really say for too many other body types. we all looked pretty bad after a game in some cold-ass weather yesterday . . .
DLD, i knew you were smart just from checking out this board, i don't have much experience with these things, never even posted before now, but this is one of the coolest and most intersting ones i have seen. i read your studies and sort of checked out your approach to all this, and i have to say it won me over pretty well and i'm as skeptical as they come. others make the case well too, but it's pretty obvious why you're the top guy for all this stuff (besides the fact that you have a ginormous dick). your explanations and arguments are even-handed and reasoned to a tee, you should be very proud of what you are accomplishing here; you've taken a muddled confusing topic that was previously dominated by scam artists and base-line insecurity and turned it into a supportive, constructive environment that has obviously attracted a lot of very smart and interesting characters. cheers bro, you're an example of many great things besides Penis Enlargement.
take it to heart bro, i really mean it. this is an amazing sight, if my parents didn't oversee the old bank accounts i'd be a member right now, but that will change the second i ship off to college and get control of some of my own finances . . .
imagine my excitement when i looked around at penis enlargement stuff just to prove to myself it really didn't work, then finding this . . . it's like christmas!
imagine my excitement when i looked around at penis enlargement stuff just to prove to myself it really didn't work, then finding this . . . it's like christmas!
yeah, i may have been a bit extreme in trying to reply back.
i appreciate you being intelligent and nice about it.
thanks for not taking any offense or attacking me or anything, i did feel kind of offended, so i had to ramble off a real long post trying to defend myself or whatever.
i'm conservative, yes... but that doesn't mean that i'm not voting for the Democratic party next year. In fact I am, i do not like the people in power.
and yes, being in any kind of military institution has the possibility of brainwashing you, it definately did to me, i'd like to hear what SWM says about the Marines? i was thinking of joining the Navy when I turn 18.
as far a the MLK statement goes, it was sarcastic, but is along the lines of what Chris Rock was saying, that's it's kind of ironic that those places suffer social problems.
i also agree with what you said about the difference between African Americans and pure-blood Africans.
i also agree that there's not a major genetic disposition regarding intelligence between the races, all our brains are the same, that's true. so let's forget the black/white thing. why is it a common stereotype that asians are good at Math ?? even if they live in America, they are better, why ? is there something in their environment that trains them to be skilled in math ? counting thousands of rice grains per meal i suppose... j/k
i appreciate you being intelligent and nice about it.
thanks for not taking any offense or attacking me or anything, i did feel kind of offended, so i had to ramble off a real long post trying to defend myself or whatever.
i'm conservative, yes... but that doesn't mean that i'm not voting for the Democratic party next year. In fact I am, i do not like the people in power.
and yes, being in any kind of military institution has the possibility of brainwashing you, it definately did to me, i'd like to hear what SWM says about the Marines? i was thinking of joining the Navy when I turn 18.
as far a the MLK statement goes, it was sarcastic, but is along the lines of what Chris Rock was saying, that's it's kind of ironic that those places suffer social problems.
i also agree with what you said about the difference between African Americans and pure-blood Africans.
i also agree that there's not a major genetic disposition regarding intelligence between the races, all our brains are the same, that's true. so let's forget the black/white thing. why is it a common stereotype that asians are good at Math ?? even if they live in America, they are better, why ? is there something in their environment that trains them to be skilled in math ? counting thousands of rice grains per meal i suppose... j/k
hey man, good call, i never meant to bash on you, i just had to throw my side ii, but i tihnk overall we are closer in views than it may seem. about the military, it's hard to say, it's a great experience for some but i have met plenty that thought it was the worst mistake they ever made. the good side is the possible college money and benefits, but you definately have to earn all that. I'm not that far from VMI and i've met a ton of their cadets, and it's pretty mixed reviews. my general feeling is that if you really want to be there it's greaet, if you weren't sure or just went because you couldn't think of anything better than it's pretty rough. VMI is one of the most disciplinarian places around though, way different than just joining the military. as for asians, they're just more hard working than all those lazy-ass as black people! (thats a joke in case anybody gets pissed) i wasn't trying to say being conservative is a bad thing either, i have about the msot old school conservative family around. i draw a big line between conservative thinking and buying into the current right-wing universe . . . who knows what that's about. i don't think a military life can brainwash you to be conservative, but the militray in any nation is traditionally on the right, it goes back about as far as armies do. on the other hand, you have good old wes clark stepping into the presidential race, and many other big shot generals throughout history that were socialy and economically pretty liberal. all this history and political talk has got me interested in looking up some evidence of Penis Enlargement through the ages . . . the egyptians used to think the first children were born by one of their gods ejaculating into his own mouth and impregnating himself somehow . . . that had to be a pretty well hung diety . . .
Hydromaxm, seems like a few people are still checking this thread so i will toss my little two cents into the actual pre-Penis Enlargement size question. . .
nobody seems to deny that there are some naturally big dicks out there, it seems that the more trenchant question is how many, and is this number statistically so likely that a lot of chicks are going to have slept with guys with way bigger dicks than me?
based on all the things i've read on here in the last few days, i would be highly skeptical of there being more than say 0.5% share of nine inch penises in any group of 100 males, and i'll say of mixed ethnicity but i feel that would hold true for any combination, nearly all black included, but i would rather this exclude that variable for the moment. i feel 0.5% is actually very generous and that in reality the percentage is probably lower.
at 0.5% there should be one guy in a group two hundred with a 9+ unit. first of all, in all my life, whether it be flacid observation in locker rooms or viewing pornography where you would think this size would be fairly common, it is not. i have seen one in real life that i thought may be near that size, but i was quite young and probably had some of the shock effect described by DLD as i was not fully mature at the time. even in porno a full-fledged 9 incher is hard to come by, the very top guys in the "big dick" market boast a size somewhere around there.
now, if we have about 1 out of every 200 hundred guys running around with that kind of size, that means that in a city of say 100,000 . . . there should be about 500 dudes with that kind of size. even at this generous estimate, that's not a whole lot of guys, but it doesn't seem likely, because when you blow the numbers up to national or sometimes even regional proportions you're talking about hundreds of thousands of guys with a size potentially comparable to john holmes, and i think most would agree that a lot of these guys aren't just walking around. the very fact that the john holmes' and lexington steeles' of the world are mentionable is due to their extreme rarity.
that being said, all these women that have stories of guys with 9+, which seems to be the magic number for both men and women to razzle and dazzle with, i don't but it. first off, the argument that women can't measure can go on all day, best just to forget about it. now, say a girl is very sexually active, has sex with 20 guys by the age of 20. at 0.5% dudes having 9+ inches the odds that she encountered one are 0.1%, or one in a thousand! in our city of 100,000, theres 49,500 penises smaller than that walking around. when you play around with this number the odds against "the world full of big dicks" theory unravels even further. even if she sleeps with 60 guys, we're down to what, about like one in 300 or something, pretty much less than that. dude, pay me a million dollars to do something dangerous where there is only a 1 in 300 chance that i will die and you'd better believe i'll be all over that a dozen times or so before i even break a sweat.
it's a bell curve, plain and simple. the big guys, they're out there, all told over the US there has to be maybe hundreds of thousands of hugely hung guys. but there are millions on top of millions of far more normal guys. all these women that claim to have had penises that size are making it up or sorely mistaken, even of they're a woman who seeks that kind of thing out, the percentage that would actually be successful, let alone find more than one should be very very small. and man, if she's only been with five guys or less, she's about as likely to have a third arm or something. i would say the same goes proportionally for eight inches and such.
throw 8+ inches in the mix at an exceedingly generous mix of 2%. it's still a very small number of guys realative to the sample even a very promiscous women might sleep with. as DLD has quoted several times, only one survey has been conducted where there is no chance to cheat, and it scores pretty much right down the middle in the six inch range. i'd say common sense says to take that as accurate, if she swears up and down that she's had a 9 incher, you might want to hang onto that chick because she may win the lottery as well, but watch out during lightning storms. obviously she is prone to freak happenings.
*if you are dating a girl that says she has, and you disagree with what i've just said, please don't come after me, i'm not calling your girl a liar for kicks, i'm just calling it how i see it. there are other factors as well, ideas about bigger guys getting laid more and such, but the with the model i made up even some substansive factors don't eliminate the indication that it is extremely rare for any woman to experience a penis that size.
nobody seems to deny that there are some naturally big dicks out there, it seems that the more trenchant question is how many, and is this number statistically so likely that a lot of chicks are going to have slept with guys with way bigger dicks than me?
based on all the things i've read on here in the last few days, i would be highly skeptical of there being more than say 0.5% share of nine inch penises in any group of 100 males, and i'll say of mixed ethnicity but i feel that would hold true for any combination, nearly all black included, but i would rather this exclude that variable for the moment. i feel 0.5% is actually very generous and that in reality the percentage is probably lower.
at 0.5% there should be one guy in a group two hundred with a 9+ unit. first of all, in all my life, whether it be flacid observation in locker rooms or viewing pornography where you would think this size would be fairly common, it is not. i have seen one in real life that i thought may be near that size, but i was quite young and probably had some of the shock effect described by DLD as i was not fully mature at the time. even in porno a full-fledged 9 incher is hard to come by, the very top guys in the "big dick" market boast a size somewhere around there.
now, if we have about 1 out of every 200 hundred guys running around with that kind of size, that means that in a city of say 100,000 . . . there should be about 500 dudes with that kind of size. even at this generous estimate, that's not a whole lot of guys, but it doesn't seem likely, because when you blow the numbers up to national or sometimes even regional proportions you're talking about hundreds of thousands of guys with a size potentially comparable to john holmes, and i think most would agree that a lot of these guys aren't just walking around. the very fact that the john holmes' and lexington steeles' of the world are mentionable is due to their extreme rarity.
that being said, all these women that have stories of guys with 9+, which seems to be the magic number for both men and women to razzle and dazzle with, i don't but it. first off, the argument that women can't measure can go on all day, best just to forget about it. now, say a girl is very sexually active, has sex with 20 guys by the age of 20. at 0.5% dudes having 9+ inches the odds that she encountered one are 0.1%, or one in a thousand! in our city of 100,000, theres 49,500 penises smaller than that walking around. when you play around with this number the odds against "the world full of big dicks" theory unravels even further. even if she sleeps with 60 guys, we're down to what, about like one in 300 or something, pretty much less than that. dude, pay me a million dollars to do something dangerous where there is only a 1 in 300 chance that i will die and you'd better believe i'll be all over that a dozen times or so before i even break a sweat.
it's a bell curve, plain and simple. the big guys, they're out there, all told over the US there has to be maybe hundreds of thousands of hugely hung guys. but there are millions on top of millions of far more normal guys. all these women that claim to have had penises that size are making it up or sorely mistaken, even of they're a woman who seeks that kind of thing out, the percentage that would actually be successful, let alone find more than one should be very very small. and man, if she's only been with five guys or less, she's about as likely to have a third arm or something. i would say the same goes proportionally for eight inches and such.
throw 8+ inches in the mix at an exceedingly generous mix of 2%. it's still a very small number of guys realative to the sample even a very promiscous women might sleep with. as DLD has quoted several times, only one survey has been conducted where there is no chance to cheat, and it scores pretty much right down the middle in the six inch range. i'd say common sense says to take that as accurate, if she swears up and down that she's had a 9 incher, you might want to hang onto that chick because she may win the lottery as well, but watch out during lightning storms. obviously she is prone to freak happenings.
*if you are dating a girl that says she has, and you disagree with what i've just said, please don't come after me, i'm not calling your girl a liar for kicks, i'm just calling it how i see it. there are other factors as well, ideas about bigger guys getting laid more and such, but the with the model i made up even some substansive factors don't eliminate the indication that it is extremely rare for any woman to experience a penis that size.
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good,
When the Supreme Court declared a few years ago that cities were no longer required to impose A.A. on their applicants, Pittsburgh Mayor Sophie Masloff (a flaming liberal Democrat) inadvertantly tipped her hand, to the chagrin of her Democratic colleagues. When she was asked if the city would eliminate A.A. completely, she sarcastically snapped, "And do what? Hire all white men?"
Understand, she was a staunch supporter of A.A., so her comments were an attempt to ridicule the court ruling. What followed in the newspapers was a breakdown of the city's civil service scores - the top were all white males, the 2nd rung was white females, then black males, then black females - practically clear-cut. This is found all across the board such as when a white male student busted Georgetown Law School & publicly outed them about blacks & women getting admitted to the school in favor of white males who scored significantly higher. This is the same old song & not even worth debating.
You can dress it up in the prettiest terms you'd like, it's still discriminatory bullshit. The slogan should be: "Discrimination is wrong - unless the Feds decide whom to discriminate against."
My white cousin Tim wanted to be a wide receiver, but he couldn't run a 4.4 forty. Should the government get involved to get him on a big college team?
I can't believe how many pathetic people in the world exist who think the reason of government is to engage in social experiments. The ones whom Ayn Rand so accurately described, a half century ago, as "second-handers." And this distressing idea has only gotten worse.
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Not meaning to whip a dead horse, but that statement you made - about all brains being the same - is sadly mistaken. I'm being dead honest in telling you that I have an uncle who's a Harvard-educated pathologist (maxed out his SAT, etc.), he explained this to me to the contrary. He's not a bigot, but is in fact sympathetic towards blacks. But he gave me some outlandish medical gobbedlygook - which I did not understand - about differences in brains between various races. There are indeed size differences, on average, but that's not the most significant differences. It had something to do with neural activity, blah, blah, blah. The point being that there is a difference, and that more than a few medical professionals know intimately about it.
Why don't we hear about it?
You'd have to be kidding. How about a medical career down the drain when the Orwellian PC Storm Troopers would descend upon such a doctor who dared go public.
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Red, I used those examples to put it into language you might understand - but you obviously didn't.
You apparently believe that you can alter your DNA by doing Penis Enlargement - which is what you'd have to do, however slightly, for there to be any cumulative effect, even after "Many THOSANDS of years," as you put it.
That's beyond absurd. I give up. You are entitled to believe any foolish nonsense you like.
Good day.
oh i see what you're saying
i meant the structure and capabilities for cognitive functioning are the same.... but you know what i didn't even graduate HS, so i'm not going into all the gobbledygook, since i don't even know it, but here's what i do know..
yes even within the White race, there are subcategories -
Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean - all skulls are different, hence brain sizes are different.
i mean brains the same, skulls differentiate among sub categories of race of course.
i meant the structure and capabilities for cognitive functioning are the same.... but you know what i didn't even graduate HS, so i'm not going into all the gobbledygook, since i don't even know it, but here's what i do know..
yes even within the White race, there are subcategories -
Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean - all skulls are different, hence brain sizes are different.
i mean brains the same, skulls differentiate among sub categories of race of course.
Yeah, I can see where RED may have come up with his idea, but I agree with WaxN.
Traits such as penis size (i don't think, even after mapping the genome, we have found the specific gene) may not even be genetic. I don't think my father had a large penis, but my brother definately did. It could be something like ... chance... or certain nutrients in the mother's womb. (edit) I STILL stick to my INTELLIGENCE theory!! If you're reading and studying, blood is sent to your brain to refresh it and oxygenate it. If you're thinking about pussy or engaging in physical activity all the time, well... same goes for your dick. I read somewhere on here that supposedly big dicks can come from physical activity, and sports players have the stereotype of both a big dick, and a dumb head. Whereas computer geeks or nerds have the stereotype that they can't get girls (small dick).
I would know I had a best friend that got me out of my nerd stage a long time ago, he has a HUGE dick, and he used to be the neighborhood/small town star. He's now the president of the SENIOR CLASS. Trust me this kid had a 7 1/2" in 6TH grade! I had a ... 4 1'2 " maybe ? Imagine what I THOUGHT!!! in addition he is the youngest in our class with a birthday in the summer. He's like 8 1/2 " now i think.
If it was genetic , which parent would it be passed from, possibly not even from the father. And since large dicks are rare, it's possible that it is not a DOMINANT gene, like blue eyes. Say Small dick is "a", big dick is "A" if dad has "Aa" and mom has "aa" you would get a small/average. whereas if she had "AA" you would get the big dick. This might not be true at all, but remember studying genes and how traits are inherited ?? If you get the "Aa" you're average, if you get "aa" youre small. See where I'm coming from ?
Which goes to say, you can't affect your DNA through stretching your dick. I don't THINK. According to current science. Now who knows, science always proves itself wrong. Maybe the people that are genetically predisposed towards being obese had ancestors who were just gluttonous.
Since to my knowledge we're just all average joes, fucking with our dicks to make 'em bigger, we need to quit trying to be college professors to each other!
Who knew a Penis EnlargementNIS ENLARGEMENT FORUM would have such intelligent and philisophical thinkers?!?! It's amazing, I might have to stick around and stop lurking.
Traits such as penis size (i don't think, even after mapping the genome, we have found the specific gene) may not even be genetic. I don't think my father had a large penis, but my brother definately did. It could be something like ... chance... or certain nutrients in the mother's womb. (edit) I STILL stick to my INTELLIGENCE theory!! If you're reading and studying, blood is sent to your brain to refresh it and oxygenate it. If you're thinking about pussy or engaging in physical activity all the time, well... same goes for your dick. I read somewhere on here that supposedly big dicks can come from physical activity, and sports players have the stereotype of both a big dick, and a dumb head. Whereas computer geeks or nerds have the stereotype that they can't get girls (small dick).
I would know I had a best friend that got me out of my nerd stage a long time ago, he has a HUGE dick, and he used to be the neighborhood/small town star. He's now the president of the SENIOR CLASS. Trust me this kid had a 7 1/2" in 6TH grade! I had a ... 4 1'2 " maybe ? Imagine what I THOUGHT!!! in addition he is the youngest in our class with a birthday in the summer. He's like 8 1/2 " now i think.
If it was genetic , which parent would it be passed from, possibly not even from the father. And since large dicks are rare, it's possible that it is not a DOMINANT gene, like blue eyes. Say Small dick is "a", big dick is "A" if dad has "Aa" and mom has "aa" you would get a small/average. whereas if she had "AA" you would get the big dick. This might not be true at all, but remember studying genes and how traits are inherited ?? If you get the "Aa" you're average, if you get "aa" youre small. See where I'm coming from ?
Which goes to say, you can't affect your DNA through stretching your dick. I don't THINK. According to current science. Now who knows, science always proves itself wrong. Maybe the people that are genetically predisposed towards being obese had ancestors who were just gluttonous.
Since to my knowledge we're just all average joes, fucking with our dicks to make 'em bigger, we need to quit trying to be college professors to each other!
Who knew a Penis EnlargementNIS ENLARGEMENT FORUM would have such intelligent and philisophical thinkers?!?! It's amazing, I might have to stick around and stop lurking.
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ah well man, i am hesitant to get into a discussion about affirmative action because for some reason this topic pushes buttons like no other. guess it was pretty obvious i am for it, haha, i can't hide my true feelings.
so far as the civil service deal, that goes along with my whole point that the black educational experience isn't as good in this country. i mean, the same score would seem to indicate that men are smarter than women, and there is no evidence to substantiate that is the case.
i think affirmative action is a good thing. obviously it is a form of discrimination, and no doubt some white people are going to lose out on some positions because of it. but let me put it this way, i feel that black people are a substantial disadvantage in what is an overhwlemingly white power structure. affirmative action is intended to give minority groups that don't have access to the same advantages and avenues as white men a chance to succeed, then hopefully make more money, live in better neighborhoods, send their kids to better schools, ect.
affirmative action was meant to aggressively address the racial division still very present in the country and create a stronger foothold for minorites in the establisHydromaxent. i'm a white male from an affluent background, and no way in hell do i think others like me deserve to or should be running and owning everything. we don't have any less right to do so if we can, but i think it is clear that black and other minority societies have tremendous problems stemming from lack of access to opportunity and destitute communites. the percentage of white millionares over black millionares is higher, the percentage of black people living in poverty is higher, incarceration rates are higher, almost no blackk CEO's, fewer doctors, alwyers, architects . . . the list goes on, and it's the same for hispanics as well. certain groups in this country don;t have the same resources and access, and just because you don't see them every single day doesn;t mean they aren't there and don't deserve a shot at elevating themselves. in every interview i've seen with young minority delinquents, gangbangers, whoever, they always respond to the question of "why crime" with a response of "why not? how else can i get ahead."
it may be possible for them to get ahead other ways, but fat chance telling that to a kid who was bounced through a thousand foster homes or was raised by an uncaring realative because their single mother of a father on death row died of a drug overdose, and they're surrounded by easy access to drugs and violence. plenty of white people go through this too, but again, the numbers are disproportionate, and being that i have traveled in differing white groups, whether it be at my parents country club, listening to my fellow students, realatives, any number of what you could easily call the white establisHydromaxent, there is still a degree of racism that very much exists. i found this to be true when we lived in sherman oakes CA, when we lived in Vermont for a few years, and the rest of my life down here in sweet old VA. society at large is not a fair open playing field of sympathetic white people if you're a minority, it's an uphill struggle where any advantage can make a tremendous impact, and i embrace the idea of minorites getting these opportunites, even at the expense of equally hard working white people. it's a long time coming if you ask me. even many of our white ancesotr, be they irish, italian, whatever, were once considered something of a minoirty and discriminated against. it seems silly to have a system excluding certain nationalities now, and i seem the same deeply flawed nature in an all-white power structure.
i don't mean to characterize all black and ethnic communites as rotting hellholes, but if you look at the statistics a young black male has at making it in life compared to a young white male, it's quite frightening. imagine you're a black person, or a black parent for that matter; everyone always says "i would want my kids to be successful on their own merit!" well i say if i was a minority you better believe i would be all for affirmative action, and as a plain old white boy i'm all for it too. people see affirmative action as unfair to those losing spots, i see it as fair to those gaining them. if the government we to take the 87 billion bones proposed by bush for iraq and spend it on a massive public works project to overhaul the 100 worst schools and minority neighboorhoods in the country, then maybe i would say we don't need something like affirmative action, which is basically free, but thats never going to happen.
i'll be mailing off a small mountain of college applications shortly here, and if i were to lose a spot at one of my top schools due to affirmative action, i can honestly say i don't mind. social equality is at the very heart of affirmative action. i believe that programs like it must be continued and encouraged. if this is truly the land of opportunity, then certain things must be changed. we didn't get rid of slavery and emerge with a bill of rights and so on through all popular movements and programs, people, especially us white people, are notoriously afraid of social change. if a black kid from the middle of yonkers new york that struggled through four years at a violent public school with underpaid unsympathetic teachers can even step on the same palying field as a white kid that grew up in the suburbs and never had to face that kind of reality, then i say he's earned a spot at the college, even if the white kid got a 1400 on the SAT's and the black kid got a 1370. college and job admissions are more than just about numbers as well. students are people, and labeling them by race might seem dehumanizing in some respects, but in a program designed to help people succeed that have so many more reasons to fail, i see it as a very human and appropriate gesture.
so far as the civil service deal, that goes along with my whole point that the black educational experience isn't as good in this country. i mean, the same score would seem to indicate that men are smarter than women, and there is no evidence to substantiate that is the case.
i think affirmative action is a good thing. obviously it is a form of discrimination, and no doubt some white people are going to lose out on some positions because of it. but let me put it this way, i feel that black people are a substantial disadvantage in what is an overhwlemingly white power structure. affirmative action is intended to give minority groups that don't have access to the same advantages and avenues as white men a chance to succeed, then hopefully make more money, live in better neighborhoods, send their kids to better schools, ect.
affirmative action was meant to aggressively address the racial division still very present in the country and create a stronger foothold for minorites in the establisHydromaxent. i'm a white male from an affluent background, and no way in hell do i think others like me deserve to or should be running and owning everything. we don't have any less right to do so if we can, but i think it is clear that black and other minority societies have tremendous problems stemming from lack of access to opportunity and destitute communites. the percentage of white millionares over black millionares is higher, the percentage of black people living in poverty is higher, incarceration rates are higher, almost no blackk CEO's, fewer doctors, alwyers, architects . . . the list goes on, and it's the same for hispanics as well. certain groups in this country don;t have the same resources and access, and just because you don't see them every single day doesn;t mean they aren't there and don't deserve a shot at elevating themselves. in every interview i've seen with young minority delinquents, gangbangers, whoever, they always respond to the question of "why crime" with a response of "why not? how else can i get ahead."
it may be possible for them to get ahead other ways, but fat chance telling that to a kid who was bounced through a thousand foster homes or was raised by an uncaring realative because their single mother of a father on death row died of a drug overdose, and they're surrounded by easy access to drugs and violence. plenty of white people go through this too, but again, the numbers are disproportionate, and being that i have traveled in differing white groups, whether it be at my parents country club, listening to my fellow students, realatives, any number of what you could easily call the white establisHydromaxent, there is still a degree of racism that very much exists. i found this to be true when we lived in sherman oakes CA, when we lived in Vermont for a few years, and the rest of my life down here in sweet old VA. society at large is not a fair open playing field of sympathetic white people if you're a minority, it's an uphill struggle where any advantage can make a tremendous impact, and i embrace the idea of minorites getting these opportunites, even at the expense of equally hard working white people. it's a long time coming if you ask me. even many of our white ancesotr, be they irish, italian, whatever, were once considered something of a minoirty and discriminated against. it seems silly to have a system excluding certain nationalities now, and i seem the same deeply flawed nature in an all-white power structure.
i don't mean to characterize all black and ethnic communites as rotting hellholes, but if you look at the statistics a young black male has at making it in life compared to a young white male, it's quite frightening. imagine you're a black person, or a black parent for that matter; everyone always says "i would want my kids to be successful on their own merit!" well i say if i was a minority you better believe i would be all for affirmative action, and as a plain old white boy i'm all for it too. people see affirmative action as unfair to those losing spots, i see it as fair to those gaining them. if the government we to take the 87 billion bones proposed by bush for iraq and spend it on a massive public works project to overhaul the 100 worst schools and minority neighboorhoods in the country, then maybe i would say we don't need something like affirmative action, which is basically free, but thats never going to happen.
i'll be mailing off a small mountain of college applications shortly here, and if i were to lose a spot at one of my top schools due to affirmative action, i can honestly say i don't mind. social equality is at the very heart of affirmative action. i believe that programs like it must be continued and encouraged. if this is truly the land of opportunity, then certain things must be changed. we didn't get rid of slavery and emerge with a bill of rights and so on through all popular movements and programs, people, especially us white people, are notoriously afraid of social change. if a black kid from the middle of yonkers new york that struggled through four years at a violent public school with underpaid unsympathetic teachers can even step on the same palying field as a white kid that grew up in the suburbs and never had to face that kind of reality, then i say he's earned a spot at the college, even if the white kid got a 1400 on the SAT's and the black kid got a 1370. college and job admissions are more than just about numbers as well. students are people, and labeling them by race might seem dehumanizing in some respects, but in a program designed to help people succeed that have so many more reasons to fail, i see it as a very human and appropriate gesture.
I have another bit to add because I agree with GOOD on this.
Growing up in Atlanta, going to majority black schools(except military school), I've been at a major disadvantage.
Even though I still have my smarts to rely on, I grew up without a father, and my two brothers (for the majority of my life)
Basically what I'm saying, this is true with a lot of black kids, except imagine me... I'm kind of like Eminem. I listen to rap and I do drugs all the time. I'm kind of in the situation of 8 mile except not as poor (i have a computer and internet obviously)
but I live in a 1 bedroom apartment, don't even have my own room, and sleep on a couch. I know there's a bunch of black kids like this, and what you call "wiggers". There's rich wiggers and real OG's (original gangstas) like me and some friends.
I didn't have much going in my life, thanks to drugs (what we call THE TRAP in ATL, listen to rap you'll hear about the Trap), smoke weed everyday and just try to forget about our problems, the majority of people i smoke with are Black and maybe one hispanic, but just mainly black.
IT's the environment that got us into the drugs, and it's just an eternal circle, if I keep on what i'm doing, i will do just like my father, not pay child support and go to jail, and be a drug addict. this is what a lot of black families go through.
the only thing you can do is try to equalize the class structure in society, which will lead to less crime, stop locking people up for drugs, and they will do them LESS (proven statistic), get rid of HOMEWORK for kids, and put them in JOBS at an early age!!! internships you know ??? this will push the economy SO much you wouldn't believe it, kids over 13 should have minimum wage jobs, doing schoolwork. I'm serious, we should get paid to do schoolwork, stop giving us meaningless shit, have us do your faxes or whatever Business people do so we get a head start on things. this is kind of an extreme liberal statement, but i hated homework so much, i would just rather smoke a blunt, you know? i'm not getting paid for this shit, i have nothing going for my life, why should i even give a fuck ? this is the mentality of most of the lower class today in America. hope it has some insight from the youth of my generation for ya
Growing up in Atlanta, going to majority black schools(except military school), I've been at a major disadvantage.
Even though I still have my smarts to rely on, I grew up without a father, and my two brothers (for the majority of my life)
Basically what I'm saying, this is true with a lot of black kids, except imagine me... I'm kind of like Eminem. I listen to rap and I do drugs all the time. I'm kind of in the situation of 8 mile except not as poor (i have a computer and internet obviously)
but I live in a 1 bedroom apartment, don't even have my own room, and sleep on a couch. I know there's a bunch of black kids like this, and what you call "wiggers". There's rich wiggers and real OG's (original gangstas) like me and some friends.
I didn't have much going in my life, thanks to drugs (what we call THE TRAP in ATL, listen to rap you'll hear about the Trap), smoke weed everyday and just try to forget about our problems, the majority of people i smoke with are Black and maybe one hispanic, but just mainly black.
IT's the environment that got us into the drugs, and it's just an eternal circle, if I keep on what i'm doing, i will do just like my father, not pay child support and go to jail, and be a drug addict. this is what a lot of black families go through.
the only thing you can do is try to equalize the class structure in society, which will lead to less crime, stop locking people up for drugs, and they will do them LESS (proven statistic), get rid of HOMEWORK for kids, and put them in JOBS at an early age!!! internships you know ??? this will push the economy SO much you wouldn't believe it, kids over 13 should have minimum wage jobs, doing schoolwork. I'm serious, we should get paid to do schoolwork, stop giving us meaningless shit, have us do your faxes or whatever Business people do so we get a head start on things. this is kind of an extreme liberal statement, but i hated homework so much, i would just rather smoke a blunt, you know? i'm not getting paid for this shit, i have nothing going for my life, why should i even give a fuck ? this is the mentality of most of the lower class today in America. hope it has some insight from the youth of my generation for ya
wow, like ten new posts while i wrote that . . .
all i really wanted to say was that brain size differance, perhaps, but it might interest you to know that neanderthals had larger brains than homo sapiens ever had or will. size doesn't matter in the thinkin' department . . . unlike some other things i could mention . . .
that's swell your uncle is well educated and thinks that, but uh, well i'll double check with the pops, who is a research MD, and some of his nerd researcher buddies as well, so they aren't just gonna be some dudes down at the gym or anything, but somehow i just can't imagine it being a consensus that there is empirical evidence that black people have less brain power along purely racial lines. i've broken down why it doesn't make sense genetically and anthropoligicaly a few times here, but you seem to be pretty set in your ways about it, as am i.
as far as there being a liberal watchdog on the truly conservative thinkers of the medical community? not likely man, i grew up in it and i can say views all are all over the map but even in the uppermost ranks they lean left pretty hard, as do any politcal bends on medical journals, reviews ect. and no place is more liberal when you get down to it than harvard, except maybe yale on alternating years. there seems to be a real conservative claim that when conservatives express the "real truth" about the world they get slammed by some kind of powerful liberal majority. well look around you dude, liberals don't have their shit together for anything like that, and by nature the left is more timid. you might have been scared shitless by some anarchist with ten piercings named SCAZZ throwing maltov cocktails at starbucks during the seattle riots, but they aren't part of any politcal network but their own. most of what the conservatives call "liberals" are pretty moderate centrists along the lines of good old slick willie clinton. i mean, the biggest liberal attack dog is al franken, a dude from SNL. theres no liberal radio network, TV news, whatever else, and certainly no liberal watchdogs that would stop MD's from coming out en masse if they thought there was substantial proof black people had lower IQ.
think for a moment, if this was established in any kind of legitimate manner, then you would hear about it, people would say it. if it could be proved with solid science you could find it in a few medical books, it would be taught in neoroscience and psychology and anthropology courses, and brother i spend all my time in school it seems, and i have never heard anything like that. it's pretty clear how you feel on the whole race issue in general, i've met many people that i think share a lot of your views, although i would be remiss to say i have a handle on all your beliefs, but i also know from experience that you probably won't tolerate anything i say about it, so i would just ask that you think about it, or do some research into it for yourself. shit, guess i did have a lot to say. i'm logging more words on this thing than i am in real life with other people. excellent!
all i really wanted to say was that brain size differance, perhaps, but it might interest you to know that neanderthals had larger brains than homo sapiens ever had or will. size doesn't matter in the thinkin' department . . . unlike some other things i could mention . . .
that's swell your uncle is well educated and thinks that, but uh, well i'll double check with the pops, who is a research MD, and some of his nerd researcher buddies as well, so they aren't just gonna be some dudes down at the gym or anything, but somehow i just can't imagine it being a consensus that there is empirical evidence that black people have less brain power along purely racial lines. i've broken down why it doesn't make sense genetically and anthropoligicaly a few times here, but you seem to be pretty set in your ways about it, as am i.
as far as there being a liberal watchdog on the truly conservative thinkers of the medical community? not likely man, i grew up in it and i can say views all are all over the map but even in the uppermost ranks they lean left pretty hard, as do any politcal bends on medical journals, reviews ect. and no place is more liberal when you get down to it than harvard, except maybe yale on alternating years. there seems to be a real conservative claim that when conservatives express the "real truth" about the world they get slammed by some kind of powerful liberal majority. well look around you dude, liberals don't have their shit together for anything like that, and by nature the left is more timid. you might have been scared shitless by some anarchist with ten piercings named SCAZZ throwing maltov cocktails at starbucks during the seattle riots, but they aren't part of any politcal network but their own. most of what the conservatives call "liberals" are pretty moderate centrists along the lines of good old slick willie clinton. i mean, the biggest liberal attack dog is al franken, a dude from SNL. theres no liberal radio network, TV news, whatever else, and certainly no liberal watchdogs that would stop MD's from coming out en masse if they thought there was substantial proof black people had lower IQ.
think for a moment, if this was established in any kind of legitimate manner, then you would hear about it, people would say it. if it could be proved with solid science you could find it in a few medical books, it would be taught in neoroscience and psychology and anthropology courses, and brother i spend all my time in school it seems, and i have never heard anything like that. it's pretty clear how you feel on the whole race issue in general, i've met many people that i think share a lot of your views, although i would be remiss to say i have a handle on all your beliefs, but i also know from experience that you probably won't tolerate anything i say about it, so i would just ask that you think about it, or do some research into it for yourself. shit, guess i did have a lot to say. i'm logging more words on this thing than i am in real life with other people. excellent!
Long ass posts! 
haha, sorry man, if i was as good at tugging on my dick as running my mouth i'd be hung like a texas bull . . . maybe i should redirect some of the energy . . .
zeiofan has it right though, look at him, he's obviously very intelligent and well-spoken and he came through tremendous hardship. if you just took a sanpshot look at him smoking a blunt and hanging around and held it next to me in all my preppie shitheadedniss, especially if he had a different skin color, the average person would make the assumption that i deserve to go to college or get a job more.
but man, i've been arrested for DUI, i cheat like crazy at school and i binge drink on weeknights just to make the time go by, and really i'm only going to college because i want money. i'm no scholar by any means. by all standards i'm a pretty rotten kid for all the advantages i have just been handed in my life, and they'll pay off for me surely, but i don't deserve my opportunities, i just got them. looking from the other side, there has to be something to make it fair, for intelligent hard working people who didn't have it easy.
things don't change by themselves, you have to make them change. people will always resist, but when affirmative action was concieved it was intended to shake thigns up and create change, and it needs to happen, and one day it will. then all the white people in america are going to have to overcome their fear of being shoulder to shoulder with minorites wherever they go, because that is the future and it's a good one, in my opinion that is.
zeiofan has it right though, look at him, he's obviously very intelligent and well-spoken and he came through tremendous hardship. if you just took a sanpshot look at him smoking a blunt and hanging around and held it next to me in all my preppie shitheadedniss, especially if he had a different skin color, the average person would make the assumption that i deserve to go to college or get a job more.
but man, i've been arrested for DUI, i cheat like crazy at school and i binge drink on weeknights just to make the time go by, and really i'm only going to college because i want money. i'm no scholar by any means. by all standards i'm a pretty rotten kid for all the advantages i have just been handed in my life, and they'll pay off for me surely, but i don't deserve my opportunities, i just got them. looking from the other side, there has to be something to make it fair, for intelligent hard working people who didn't have it easy.
things don't change by themselves, you have to make them change. people will always resist, but when affirmative action was concieved it was intended to shake thigns up and create change, and it needs to happen, and one day it will. then all the white people in america are going to have to overcome their fear of being shoulder to shoulder with minorites wherever they go, because that is the future and it's a good one, in my opinion that is.
What you are describing is called "sexual selection", which is a term coined by Darwin, and which is still considered a legitimate notion today.
What Red was describing is a concept known as "inheritance of acquired characteristics", a concept championed by Lamarck, and which was abandoned centuries ago as foolishness.
The two are about as similar as bowling bowls and ice cream.
Guys...... do a google search and find the definitions of the following terms:
1)Lamarckian evolution
2)Darwinian evolution
....please.
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Agreed on all points.
Not to mention the fact that all the evidence points to the notion that Samoa *has not had people on it* for "many thousands of years" - but was only colonized somewhere between 1200 and 1600 BC.
So even if Lamarckian evolution were possible (though this is about as likely as the Earth being flat), there probably haven't been people on Samoa for thousands of years anyway.
hey man, thanks for the input . . .
i understood perfectly well what red's contention was, i wasn't aggreeing with his explanation of how it works . . .
just saying that it could be possible for cultural emphasis to select for larger penis sizes and therefore he was not entirely incorrect in his statement, just incorrect about how it might function . . . just tossed it in for the sake of argument.
guess i should learn better than to play devil's advocate on these boards . . . people don't like it!
i understood perfectly well what red's contention was, i wasn't aggreeing with his explanation of how it works . . .
just saying that it could be possible for cultural emphasis to select for larger penis sizes and therefore he was not entirely incorrect in his statement, just incorrect about how it might function . . . just tossed it in for the sake of argument.
guess i should learn better than to play devil's advocate on these boards . . . people don't like it!
also, sorry to keep flogging this shit bro . . . but did you rad my post?
i say quite clearly that i know environmentally derived characteristics are not inheritable, then go on to explain cultural emphasis as a factor in reproductive fitness, i.e. one of the primary factors named by darwin in the greater process of sexual selection . . .
maybe the text is jsut to headache inducing to read, but this is like the third time people ahve tried to explain to me how basic evolution works . . . i know how it works bros . . . go back and read what i wrote if you can stand the eye-strain!
*While other posters were quite correct in stating that environmentally derived characteristics are not transferrable generationally, that does not mean that a large penis could not be emphasized over genetic drift influenced by cultural standards.*
*** this is a block from my very first posting on the subject, please take note of the first sentence. ***
i say quite clearly that i know environmentally derived characteristics are not inheritable, then go on to explain cultural emphasis as a factor in reproductive fitness, i.e. one of the primary factors named by darwin in the greater process of sexual selection . . .
maybe the text is jsut to headache inducing to read, but this is like the third time people ahve tried to explain to me how basic evolution works . . . i know how it works bros . . . go back and read what i wrote if you can stand the eye-strain!
*While other posters were quite correct in stating that environmentally derived characteristics are not transferrable generationally, that does not mean that a large penis could not be emphasized over genetic drift influenced by cultural standards.*
*** this is a block from my very first posting on the subject, please take note of the first sentence. ***
hi waxn, thanks bro, i was actually replying to metal ed who sent out a post once again clarifying that environmentally derived characteristics don't modify DNA and thus are not inheritable . . .
pretty obvious red isn't reading this thread so what the hell, enough evoution for me . . .
thanks for the greeting, i'm excited to have stumbled across this, seems to be a lot of smart and funny dudes posting here, i've enjoyed reading the thread . . .
i've experimented with some Penis Enlargement in the past, mostly wet jelqing routines with some squeeze type moves thrown in, with stetching as well but never as much as girth work. i never kept it up for more than 6 weeks or so at a time as i didn't really see any results and started to feel it couldn't work for me.
recently i heard some dudes discussing the topic of Penis Enlargement and it resparked my interest a bit and i found [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]matters of size[/words] through some other boards that came up on google searches. now i'm just trying to organize an effectice workout. so far i'm stoked . . . even if the Penis Enlargement doesn't work these threads are pretty good stuff, i would never usually post on anything on the internet, but there's so much personality here i just wanted to be a part of it.
pretty obvious red isn't reading this thread so what the hell, enough evoution for me . . .
thanks for the greeting, i'm excited to have stumbled across this, seems to be a lot of smart and funny dudes posting here, i've enjoyed reading the thread . . .
i've experimented with some Penis Enlargement in the past, mostly wet jelqing routines with some squeeze type moves thrown in, with stetching as well but never as much as girth work. i never kept it up for more than 6 weeks or so at a time as i didn't really see any results and started to feel it couldn't work for me.
recently i heard some dudes discussing the topic of Penis Enlargement and it resparked my interest a bit and i found [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]matters of size[/words] through some other boards that came up on google searches. now i'm just trying to organize an effectice workout. so far i'm stoked . . . even if the Penis Enlargement doesn't work these threads are pretty good stuff, i would never usually post on anything on the internet, but there's so much personality here i just wanted to be a part of it.
Since this has come back up I might add my experience.
I was backpacking in Australia in a National Park and there was a beautiful waterfall where a lot of people were swimming, including families.
Quite a few of the young children were swimming naked which is very common down here, and I was struck with amazement at a young boy of only 3 or 4 with about a 4 inch thick flacid penis. It was bigger than most grown mens. On the small body he looked like a mini Mandingo!!
Who knows where it ended up in size, but it was relatively huge at a young age.
I was backpacking in Australia in a National Park and there was a beautiful waterfall where a lot of people were swimming, including families.
Quite a few of the young children were swimming naked which is very common down here, and I was struck with amazement at a young boy of only 3 or 4 with about a 4 inch thick flacid penis. It was bigger than most grown mens. On the small body he looked like a mini Mandingo!!
Who knows where it ended up in size, but it was relatively huge at a young age.