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Originally posted by NeXus
Both of you guys had great posts.....:clap:
I second that for Shafty's post.
You guys can pat yourselves on the back all you want. I'm standing back. Looks to me like the atheists are running the show here. I guess it's my fault for not expecting that a post that mentions the name of Jesus Christ in a positive light would pull every atheist ("freethinking"- yeah, right) on the board out of the woodwork.
What I have figured out about God in my own mind is only as a result of God putting it in condensed form for me. (the Bible.) When I say that Nexus himself has God figured out, I mean that Nexus has still managed to hold on to his perceptions of unexplainable things and to attribute them to a supernatural power he calls God, even though he has rejected every written work or spoken word that claims to be a specific revelation of this supernatural power which they call "God", when it is by those very specific revelations that he would have learned to attribute those unexplainable things to a supernatural entity called "God", in the first place. If NeXus really believed that none of the specific revelations attributing unexplainable things to "God" were credible in the least, then why is he still attributing those things to "God"? "Great Spirit" seemed to work well enough for the Native Americans, right?
Anyway, consider this: A louder voice does not lend more truth to a falsehood. Since your minds are already closed to actually learning anything about my God, you aren't worth my time because your behavior reveals you don't care at all about learning the absolute truth, but instead seek only to assert that you yourself are "right". Apparently you aren't above misrepresenting me and my position, so I'm not about to try and play Whack-A-Mole trying to knock down all the strawmen. As soon as I pound one down, another one pops right back up.
bigbutnottoo- the idea here is that it is not the fault of the set of beliefs and principles themselves that people fail to keep them, but rather it is the fault of men, for not resisting the tempation to deviate. That is why we as Christians believe that Christ was sent, though, so that even when we fail to keep the principles and truths, we can still be forgiven for our failures. That's the very idea here.
My clear idea of what is sinful and what is not is clear because what is sinful and what is not is clearly defined by the Bible, which men do not have the authority to change. Without contact with God, it's only to be expected that cannibalists wouldn't know anything better. In fact, this is an argument against secular humanism more than anything else becasue the values and principles that are supposedly "born in" to us all "instincively", in order to "preserve a society", are not evident in those cannibals, who aren't above murdering each other for food.
If a theory has indeed been discredited, but you still believe it, then aren't you, by that very decision, choosing to embrace the things you LOVE more than your precious LOGIC and REASON? Oh, stupid me, love doesn't exist...
My understanding of God is based on western Morals and ethics? I'd like to see you justify that one, seeing as how the Bible has been around a lot longer than the good ol' US of A or even Europe for that matter. It predates the establisHydromaxents of the borders of the continents as we know them today. How, then, can my understanding of God, which is based on the Bible alone, be in any part "based" on western ethics and morals? "Don't be stupid, Beavis...there's always been TV!"
Who cares if your subjective opinion of God and Christian thinking is "arrogant", if it is correct? Correctness is all that matters. If it is correct, then does God not have the authority to be as arrogant as he wants? (We're lucky he is not Mr. Fire and Brimstone, I'll tell you what...)
NeXuS, I didn't call you the Devil. I explained this plainly and simply. Yet you continue to assert that I did in order to vilify me. Don't try and deny that you are misrepresenting me because this is an example of exactly that.
"Example for what? That Christianity is bullshit?? Because I can give you thousands. Here's one, it has logically proven by scientists and evidence that the Earth is about 4.5 billions years old. According to the Bible, Earth would only be about 6 thousand years."
Well, here's what I have to say about this: You can go and look for your answers at that one site I have mentioned at least 5 times by now:
http://www.tektonics.org
you can find what you're looking for there. But you don't care about finding the absolute truth, only knocking me personally down, and asserting that you yourself are right. That's why it's worthless to me to carry on an argument with you people. You're not about finding a resolution, but instead you care more about getting the last word. That way it looks like you won the argument, without you actually having to win it. I know you won't even glance at the content of the Tekton Apologetics Ministries site becasue inside you are afraid that you might find a well-researched, highly-reasoned rebuttal that leaves you sitting in the dirt wondering what hit you. A little learning can indeed be a dangerous thing, and you realize this full well. That is why you prefer to not challenge yourself and your mind and your established perceptions of reality. If we boil down our discussion, we'd wind up with something a lot more like this:
NeXuS: "You believe that the Bible is the word of God. But it's not."
buz: "Why not? I can offer you well-researched, highly-reasoned information about why it is."
NeXus: "I don't Care! It's not!!"
buz: "It IS, and here are the reasons!"
NeXuS: "NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT!!!!!"
buz: "Well, if you change your mind and choose to approach this with the proper attitude, here is the web site: http://www.tektonics.org "
Sometimes the delete key can be your best friend.
I bid you all good day.
What I have figured out about God in my own mind is only as a result of God putting it in condensed form for me. (the Bible.) When I say that Nexus himself has God figured out, I mean that Nexus has still managed to hold on to his perceptions of unexplainable things and to attribute them to a supernatural power he calls God, even though he has rejected every written work or spoken word that claims to be a specific revelation of this supernatural power which they call "God", when it is by those very specific revelations that he would have learned to attribute those unexplainable things to a supernatural entity called "God", in the first place. If NeXus really believed that none of the specific revelations attributing unexplainable things to "God" were credible in the least, then why is he still attributing those things to "God"? "Great Spirit" seemed to work well enough for the Native Americans, right?
Anyway, consider this: A louder voice does not lend more truth to a falsehood. Since your minds are already closed to actually learning anything about my God, you aren't worth my time because your behavior reveals you don't care at all about learning the absolute truth, but instead seek only to assert that you yourself are "right". Apparently you aren't above misrepresenting me and my position, so I'm not about to try and play Whack-A-Mole trying to knock down all the strawmen. As soon as I pound one down, another one pops right back up.
bigbutnottoo- the idea here is that it is not the fault of the set of beliefs and principles themselves that people fail to keep them, but rather it is the fault of men, for not resisting the tempation to deviate. That is why we as Christians believe that Christ was sent, though, so that even when we fail to keep the principles and truths, we can still be forgiven for our failures. That's the very idea here.
My clear idea of what is sinful and what is not is clear because what is sinful and what is not is clearly defined by the Bible, which men do not have the authority to change. Without contact with God, it's only to be expected that cannibalists wouldn't know anything better. In fact, this is an argument against secular humanism more than anything else becasue the values and principles that are supposedly "born in" to us all "instincively", in order to "preserve a society", are not evident in those cannibals, who aren't above murdering each other for food.
If a theory has indeed been discredited, but you still believe it, then aren't you, by that very decision, choosing to embrace the things you LOVE more than your precious LOGIC and REASON? Oh, stupid me, love doesn't exist...
My understanding of God is based on western Morals and ethics? I'd like to see you justify that one, seeing as how the Bible has been around a lot longer than the good ol' US of A or even Europe for that matter. It predates the establisHydromaxents of the borders of the continents as we know them today. How, then, can my understanding of God, which is based on the Bible alone, be in any part "based" on western ethics and morals? "Don't be stupid, Beavis...there's always been TV!"
Who cares if your subjective opinion of God and Christian thinking is "arrogant", if it is correct? Correctness is all that matters. If it is correct, then does God not have the authority to be as arrogant as he wants? (We're lucky he is not Mr. Fire and Brimstone, I'll tell you what...)
NeXuS, I didn't call you the Devil. I explained this plainly and simply. Yet you continue to assert that I did in order to vilify me. Don't try and deny that you are misrepresenting me because this is an example of exactly that.
"Example for what? That Christianity is bullshit?? Because I can give you thousands. Here's one, it has logically proven by scientists and evidence that the Earth is about 4.5 billions years old. According to the Bible, Earth would only be about 6 thousand years."
Well, here's what I have to say about this: You can go and look for your answers at that one site I have mentioned at least 5 times by now:
http://www.tektonics.org
you can find what you're looking for there. But you don't care about finding the absolute truth, only knocking me personally down, and asserting that you yourself are right. That's why it's worthless to me to carry on an argument with you people. You're not about finding a resolution, but instead you care more about getting the last word. That way it looks like you won the argument, without you actually having to win it. I know you won't even glance at the content of the Tekton Apologetics Ministries site becasue inside you are afraid that you might find a well-researched, highly-reasoned rebuttal that leaves you sitting in the dirt wondering what hit you. A little learning can indeed be a dangerous thing, and you realize this full well. That is why you prefer to not challenge yourself and your mind and your established perceptions of reality. If we boil down our discussion, we'd wind up with something a lot more like this:
NeXuS: "You believe that the Bible is the word of God. But it's not."
buz: "Why not? I can offer you well-researched, highly-reasoned information about why it is."
NeXus: "I don't Care! It's not!!"
buz: "It IS, and here are the reasons!"
NeXuS: "NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT!!!!!"
buz: "Well, if you change your mind and choose to approach this with the proper attitude, here is the web site: http://www.tektonics.org "
Sometimes the delete key can be your best friend.
I bid you all good day.
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Logic says ...."When it rains clouds are present... Today clouds are present therefore it is raining.. There is NOTHING logical about the word of God. Logic will NEVER understand God or how old the earth is or anything else about the Bible. You either get it thru heart knowledge or revelation or you DON'T get it at all.
Last time I checked the heart was an organ incapable of knowledge.
Originally posted by buz
the values and principles that are supposedly "born in" to us all "instincively", in order to "preserve a society", are not evident in those cannibals, who aren't above murdering each other for food.
I never said values are instictive. There are not. I do not believe man is a savage that needs to be saved from himself. Apparently Christians believe men are savages without God ( WHich of course is BS). I do not believe in living based on instincts, primal urges,etc( which would support the man as savage theory). I believe man is a rational capable being. Values are not instintice. They are consciously developed. Based on what you have said, Christians believe a man is stupid, irrational, and incapable of living without "sinning". The worst aspect IMO is that Christians believe that all men are sinners before they are even born, that all men are equally bad and worthy of pity.
Originally posted by bigbutnottoo
Last time I checked the heart was an organ incapable of knowledge. [
The last time I checked the heart was an organ incapable of love, yet people say i love you with all my heart , all the time./QUOTE]
Originally posted by C-Guy
Originally posted by bigbutnottoo
Last time I checked the heart was an organ incapable of knowledge. [
The last time I checked the heart was an organ incapable of love, yet people say i love you with all my heart , all the time./QUOTE]
Well, if i love someone, I love them with my brain.
NeXuS: Oh, I forgot to tell you. When you get there, you'll have to click on some of those blue, underlined words in order to get at any of the content. They're called Hyperlinks, and they allow people to navigate a web site by keywords. It's unlikely you'll see much that is of any interest to you unless you click on some of those hyperlinks. Or perhaps you could try the handy search feature, Hydromaxm? That web site has been responsible for revealing the facts of the faith to many people, including the author of another web site, http://www.ex-atheist.com. You must have been wearing beer goggles to not be able to find any truly relevant content. Don't dismiss the site until you have taken an actual look. However, I must also consider the possibility that perhaps you did view the site, saw the arguments, and were so frightened that you might have been wrong about the whole thing (which would have been an tremendous insult to the pride of the superficially intellectual) that you decided to publicly dismiss it, instead, hoping that no one else would actually visit the site, read, and be changed and recognize you for a liar.
As for myself, I have not seen any real valid evidence come from you, just the same old copied-and-pasted nonsense that I would expect to hear from a certain atheistic high-school student I know, but I thought you were a lot older and more mature than that. I haven't seen anything yet that can convince me that this stuff is all wrong and I am a moron, a loser, and a jerk for believing it and telling other people about it. I'v only heard you tell me that I'm a moron, a loser, and a jerk, and use a bunch of meaningless "arguments by outrage" to justify yourself.
I've taken the liberty of going back through our discussion and pulling out the http://www.tektonics.org articles that match up with the relevant topics we discussed.
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First off, while we were still on topic, onanism was at issue. Here is an article about that.
> http://www.tektonics.org/onanbash.html
It basically says that the actual act of spilling the seed was not Onan's sin, and not even what was at issue in this passage, which has been used by lots of atheists to try and paint God as unfair for not allowing man to masturbate.
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NeXuS, in your second post you began trying to justify yourself through the use of arguments by outrage (the catholic priests doing little boys, the poor, poor little african boy who has never heard about Jesus) and never really stopped. I already showed you where the blame was to be placed for that last one I mentioned, and it's not on God. Anyway, here's an article on why arguments by outrage do not work, logically.
> http://www.tektonics.org/outrage.html
This one is also good for all of you that "can't allow yourselves to believe in a God who would allow such terrible things to happen". Read and be enlightened. Apparently Thomas Paine liked this type of argument as well.
Those are the big ones pertaining to our discussion. Here are some other ones about Christianity in general.
The divinity of Christ - http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_02_01.html
The continued existence of Christianity as proof of the Ascension - http://www.tektonics.org/nowayjose.html
Companion debate feature to the previous - http://www.tektonics.org/tifdebate.html
A tutorial on logical fallacies - http://www.tektonics.org/fallacies.html
Christ was really real - http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01.html
And, if you want any more, or want more specific information, the Tektonics site has a nifty search feature.
As for myself, I have not seen any real valid evidence come from you, just the same old copied-and-pasted nonsense that I would expect to hear from a certain atheistic high-school student I know, but I thought you were a lot older and more mature than that. I haven't seen anything yet that can convince me that this stuff is all wrong and I am a moron, a loser, and a jerk for believing it and telling other people about it. I'v only heard you tell me that I'm a moron, a loser, and a jerk, and use a bunch of meaningless "arguments by outrage" to justify yourself.
I've taken the liberty of going back through our discussion and pulling out the http://www.tektonics.org articles that match up with the relevant topics we discussed.
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1
First off, while we were still on topic, onanism was at issue. Here is an article about that.
> http://www.tektonics.org/onanbash.html
It basically says that the actual act of spilling the seed was not Onan's sin, and not even what was at issue in this passage, which has been used by lots of atheists to try and paint God as unfair for not allowing man to masturbate.
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NeXuS, in your second post you began trying to justify yourself through the use of arguments by outrage (the catholic priests doing little boys, the poor, poor little african boy who has never heard about Jesus) and never really stopped. I already showed you where the blame was to be placed for that last one I mentioned, and it's not on God. Anyway, here's an article on why arguments by outrage do not work, logically.
> http://www.tektonics.org/outrage.html
This one is also good for all of you that "can't allow yourselves to believe in a God who would allow such terrible things to happen". Read and be enlightened. Apparently Thomas Paine liked this type of argument as well.
Those are the big ones pertaining to our discussion. Here are some other ones about Christianity in general.
The divinity of Christ - http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_02_01.html
The continued existence of Christianity as proof of the Ascension - http://www.tektonics.org/nowayjose.html
Companion debate feature to the previous - http://www.tektonics.org/tifdebate.html
A tutorial on logical fallacies - http://www.tektonics.org/fallacies.html
Christ was really real - http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01.html
And, if you want any more, or want more specific information, the Tektonics site has a nifty search feature.
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Didn`t feel like posting here for a while.....Originally posted by buz
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First off, while we were still on topic, onanism was at issue. Here is an article about that.
> http://www.tektonics.org/onanbash.html
It basically says that the actual act of spilling the seed was not Onan's sin, and not even what was at issue in this passage, which has been used by lots of atheists to try and paint God as unfair for not allowing man to masturbate.
I read the article and you are right.. Onan`s sin wasn`t masturbation. However, masturbation IS a sin. I`ve searched the internet and found these quotes about masturbation:
Colossians 3:5, put to death what is your earthly nature; lust is idolatry
1 Thessalonians 4:4-5, learn to control your body in a holy and honorable way, not in passionate lust like the heathen
1 Peter 4:3, avoid lust, debauchery, drunkenness, and idolatry
2 Peter 2:18, beware of false prophets...who appeal to the lustful desires of sinful human nature
Regarding addiction:
2 Peter 2:19, you are a slave to whatever has mastered you
1 Corinthians 6:12, I will not be mastered by anything
And I hope you won`t say that there is masturbation without lust, because you masturbate to feel sexual plesure and that is lust.
Originally posted by Omul_Paianjen
And I hope you won`t say that there is masturbation without lust, because you masturbate to feel sexual plesure and that is lust.
Would that be considered "self-lust"?
what do you mean?????
there is just lust... and don`t tell me you masturbate thinking of yourself lol
there is just lust... and don`t tell me you masturbate thinking of yourself lol
Originally posted by bigbutnottoo
Well, if i love someone, I love them with my brain.
Ah ,but the brain is also an organ and therefore incapable of feeling love. Any redblooded human knows that the seat of the emotions for many centuries has been the heart. Before that it was considered to be the bowels. Imagine that... hey babe i love you with all my bowels. LOL.
Unless you are from another galaxy you have heard just like the rest of us saying like. My heart's just not in it. Or, mean it from the heart. Or, with all my heart. Where would valentines day be without that one? Of course that heart is not the blood pump in your chest. The heart referred to is the concsious or emotion or soul.
I really appreciate your replies in this thread. Without realizing it you have promoted the gospel just by sharing ideas of yours and by the responses you have received. Once in the Old testament God spoke thru a jackass to correct a man. In the new testament he used a rooster to preach the best sermon the apostle Peter ever heard. And NO I am not calling you either of those names. But, if God can use a jackass and a rooster He can certainly use someone of your caliber.
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I've been gone a few days, and I've missed a lot. Here are some things I wanted to say:
1. Christianity does not view the rest of the world as detrimental to society, or scum, or terrible people, or any of that. There are lots of wonderful non-Christians, and there are lots of rotten Christians. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are to look down upon anyone else.
2. NeXus, you are right about one thing. We can't possibly comprehend God or put Him in a box. But we can catch a glimpse of His character.
3. Nobody has "proven" anything about how old the Earth is. Nobody ever will. You believe it is billions of years old. I believe it is less than 10,000 years old. And that has nothing to do with the argument. But there is plenty of evidence that the Earth is not billions of years old. Here's a website that you probably won't look at. I think the Christians might like it though. http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=seminarset_online
Check it out. It's neat.
4. Noah didn't have to catch two of every species. Just two (or seven, depending on the animal) of every kind. So like...two elephants, two horses, two dogs, two rabbits, two flies, etc. After that, (I'm about to say it) EVOLUTION took place. Not the kind that we get taught in school (check out the video, it isn't even a good theory). But those elephants, over time, evolved into african and asian elephants. And those dogs evolved into terriers and wolves and rottweilers. And that was a big boat. It could have carried two of every kind. He didn't have to worry about birds and fish and such. And they do believe they have found it. It's the right size, exactly as specified in the Bible, and the right kind of wood, and everything. I think it was in Turkey, but don't quote me on that.
5. I think that's it. I have said what I believe. I have given you some info. I know you don't want me to "force my religion on you." So that's all. I still want to see any time the Bible has been proven wrong.
Oh yeah. The heart thing...that's ridiculous. It's a figure of speech. You're just trying to start something. Grow up.
John
1. Christianity does not view the rest of the world as detrimental to society, or scum, or terrible people, or any of that. There are lots of wonderful non-Christians, and there are lots of rotten Christians. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are to look down upon anyone else.
2. NeXus, you are right about one thing. We can't possibly comprehend God or put Him in a box. But we can catch a glimpse of His character.
3. Nobody has "proven" anything about how old the Earth is. Nobody ever will. You believe it is billions of years old. I believe it is less than 10,000 years old. And that has nothing to do with the argument. But there is plenty of evidence that the Earth is not billions of years old. Here's a website that you probably won't look at. I think the Christians might like it though. http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=seminarset_online
Check it out. It's neat.
4. Noah didn't have to catch two of every species. Just two (or seven, depending on the animal) of every kind. So like...two elephants, two horses, two dogs, two rabbits, two flies, etc. After that, (I'm about to say it) EVOLUTION took place. Not the kind that we get taught in school (check out the video, it isn't even a good theory). But those elephants, over time, evolved into african and asian elephants. And those dogs evolved into terriers and wolves and rottweilers. And that was a big boat. It could have carried two of every kind. He didn't have to worry about birds and fish and such. And they do believe they have found it. It's the right size, exactly as specified in the Bible, and the right kind of wood, and everything. I think it was in Turkey, but don't quote me on that.
5. I think that's it. I have said what I believe. I have given you some info. I know you don't want me to "force my religion on you." So that's all. I still want to see any time the Bible has been proven wrong.
Oh yeah. The heart thing...that's ridiculous. It's a figure of speech. You're just trying to start something. Grow up.
John
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By "that's all" I mean I'm done with this thread. If you want to attack me or talk about it civilly and rationally, IM me.
John
John
Originally posted by C-Guy
Ah ,but the brain is also an organ and therefore incapable of feeling love. Any redblooded human knows that the seat of the emotions for many centuries has been the heart. Before that it was considered to be the bowels. Imagine that... hey babe i love you with all my bowels. LOL.
Unless you are from another galaxy you have heard just like the rest of us saying like. My heart's just not in it. Or, mean it from the heart. Or, with all my heart. Where would valentines day be without that one? Of course that heart is not the blood pump in your chest. The heart referred to is the concsious or emotion or soul.
I really appreciate your replies in this thread. Without realizing it you have promoted the gospel just by sharing ideas of yours and by the responses you have received. Once in the Old testament God spoke thru a jackass to correct a man. In the new testament he used a rooster to preach the best sermon the apostle Peter ever heard. And NO I am not calling you either of those names. But, if God can use a jackass and a rooster He can certainly use someone of your caliber.
No comment. I encourage everyone to read this ^ and take from it what they should.
Originally posted by Omul_Paianjen
what do you mean?????
there is just lust... and don`t tell me you masturbate thinking of yourself lol
Um, masturbation is a physical action. If I masturbate, I stroke myself with my hand. sometimes with no thought about anyone at all. So my question was, if I masturbate and am not thinking about someone else is that still lust? Before you asid it was. SO I am wondering if it is "self-lust"?
Originally posted by 9cyclops9
I've been gone a few days, and I've missed a lot. Here are some things I wanted to say:
1. Christianity does not view the rest of the world as detrimental to society, or scum, or terrible people, or any of that. There are lots of wonderful non-Christians, and there are lots of rotten Christians. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are to look down upon anyone else.
I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, many of the "Christians" here do not agree with that sentiment.
Originally posted by 9cyclops9
Oh yeah. The heart thing...that's ridiculous. It's a figure of speech. You're just trying to start something. Grow up.
John
Are there any Catholics in this thread? If so, I would like your thoughts on this one:
The Pope "does not consider himself an expert" on Catholicism.
The Pope "does not consider himself an expert" on Catholicism.
Wait a second..
(christian here)
someones QUOTE:I'll say it again, I DO believe in God, I just don't believe in the man-made bureaucracy of religion.
Of course, you should seek God as a relationship, forget how many times you have been to church and what not. The church of man is fallible, the word of christ remains strong
--Calvary Chapel's advice to the people
I do attend Calvary Chapel on a semi regular basis for the past several years..
What about pork?
It was a sin cause it was made to protect us, like all sin. To protect the people. Before Pork was laden with diseases of all kinds
God even said to take the old ways and stuff them
Didnt Christ defend the poor old prostitute?
Onan?
God wanted him to impregnate a SPenis EnlargementCIFIC woman, that would inherit his bloodline to something greater. IT was not cause masturbation was wrong.
Wasn't Solomon loved by God?
Have you read solomon? More talk about breasts than any commercial magazine i have read
How many wives did he have? 1000 or 2000 i forgot +700 concubines.
Was he condemenned? not till he actually betrayed GOd by adultery of the SPIRIT worshipping other Gods
Wives in the past if you read, were basically slaves with no rights.
They were traded like cattle more than like people.
Premarital?
I believe it was wrong for one main reason.
NO BIRTH CONTROL!! HELLO?
that would entail the man/woman to subject responsibility and NO PAPenis EnlargementRWORK/LEGAL or commitment to raise the child.
2. Disease.
I have verses..Let me look it up again
This is what i have encountered.
The christian church is not based on man, No priest exists
I am not all wise. Challenge my point of view. THIS IS MY EXPenis EnlargementRIENCE.
(christian here)
someones QUOTE:I'll say it again, I DO believe in God, I just don't believe in the man-made bureaucracy of religion.
Of course, you should seek God as a relationship, forget how many times you have been to church and what not. The church of man is fallible, the word of christ remains strong
--Calvary Chapel's advice to the people
I do attend Calvary Chapel on a semi regular basis for the past several years..
What about pork?
It was a sin cause it was made to protect us, like all sin. To protect the people. Before Pork was laden with diseases of all kinds
God even said to take the old ways and stuff them
Didnt Christ defend the poor old prostitute?
Onan?
God wanted him to impregnate a SPenis EnlargementCIFIC woman, that would inherit his bloodline to something greater. IT was not cause masturbation was wrong.
Wasn't Solomon loved by God?
Have you read solomon? More talk about breasts than any commercial magazine i have read
How many wives did he have? 1000 or 2000 i forgot +700 concubines.
Was he condemenned? not till he actually betrayed GOd by adultery of the SPIRIT worshipping other Gods
Wives in the past if you read, were basically slaves with no rights.
They were traded like cattle more than like people.
Premarital?
I believe it was wrong for one main reason.
NO BIRTH CONTROL!! HELLO?
that would entail the man/woman to subject responsibility and NO PAPenis EnlargementRWORK/LEGAL or commitment to raise the child.
2. Disease.
I have verses..Let me look it up again
This is what i have encountered.
The christian church is not based on man, No priest exists
I am not all wise. Challenge my point of view. THIS IS MY EXPenis EnlargementRIENCE.
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I'm researching up a piece on exactly why you can have non-sinful masturbation - why it IS, indeed, possible. However, I have not had all that much time to work on it. My studies have been ramping up considerably. I will have something for you guys to pick apart by the end of the week. If the new, enlightened understanding of the Bible's message is logical and supported by evidence then is it a bad thing to accept it? Or is the earth still flat?
Stay tuned if you're interested.
NeXuS: Yes, "that web site" has indeed figured out things about God simply by reading and studying the Bible. It's not possible to comprehend the extent of His awesomeness (a spiritual principle which you may be confusing for not being able to know anything about God) but we can identify aspects of His character as demonstrated by His actions and words in the Bible. Once again (and this may still come as news to you) we're not making this stuff up.
Stay tuned if you're interested.
NeXuS: Yes, "that web site" has indeed figured out things about God simply by reading and studying the Bible. It's not possible to comprehend the extent of His awesomeness (a spiritual principle which you may be confusing for not being able to know anything about God) but we can identify aspects of His character as demonstrated by His actions and words in the Bible. Once again (and this may still come as news to you) we're not making this stuff up.
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Buz,
That should be an interesting study.
That should be an interesting study.
Originally posted by BusterSword
Wait a second..
(christian here)
someones QUOTE:I'll say it again, I DO believe in God, I just don't believe in the man-made bureaucracy of religion.
Of course, you should seek God as a relationship, forget how many times you have been to church and what not. The church of man is fallible, the word of christ remains strong
--Calvary Chapel's advice to the people
I do attend Calvary Chapel on a semi regular basis for the past several years..
What about pork?
It was a sin cause it was made to protect us, like all sin. To protect the people. Before Pork was laden with diseases of all kinds
God even said to take the old ways and stuff them
Didnt Christ defend the poor old prostitute?
Onan?
God wanted him to impregnate a SPenis EnlargementCIFIC woman, that would inherit his bloodline to something greater. IT was not cause masturbation was wrong.
Wasn't Solomon loved by God?
Have you read solomon? More talk about breasts than any commercial magazine i have read
How many wives did he have? 1000 or 2000 i forgot +700 concubines.
Was he condemenned? not till he actually betrayed GOd by adultery of the SPIRIT worshipping other Gods
Wives in the past if you read, were basically slaves with no rights.
They were traded like cattle more than like people.
Premarital?
I believe it was wrong for one main reason.
NO BIRTH CONTROL!! HELLO?
that would entail the man/woman to subject responsibility and NO PAPenis EnlargementRWORK/LEGAL or commitment to raise the child.
2. Disease.
I have verses..Let me look it up again
This is what i have encountered.
The christian church is not based on man, No priest exists
I am not all wise. Challenge my point of view. THIS IS MY EXPenis EnlargementRIENCE.
I agree with you.
-ItsElectric
I need to add the reason i go to church, its not cause i have to, but its for fellowship.
the same reason why i am here, in any instance of a project, lifelong goal, whatever it may be, you need the right support, variety of opinions and knowledge of others to feed on.
And to worship God by singing praises, cause I feel like it.
I still don't feel its wrong to whack off. IF i didnt do that, and i do remember VIVIDLY, two things happen.
a. My thingy shrinks, from lack of usage
b. by simply touching it for a few seconds the ammo has been released before the trigger has been cocked,
you know what i mean?
How many women in the world need much longer stimulation to feel an orgasm?
Hey you can read SOLOMON in the bible and he would describe in detail about how he makes love to a woman. Of all things, the bible is graphically intense on sexual matters.
Whats the clit for anyway? you still can bear children without it, SOO it must be there only for pleasure, as it pleasures a woman when rubbed, it really can't be hit by intercourse by much.
Another thing, is that I know the devil is the main factor for feeling guilt, less than, defeated.
If he knows your confidence is defeated and any sexually related thing is banned by you, he has won. He likes to make you think he doesn't exist and he is just a false entity,
its like you go to war and you don't know what the enemy's plan of action is, in fact its there in front of your very eyes, you can see exactly how many soldiers, the way they are formed, how many tanks and what time of day they will be attacking,
But instead you pretend you don't see it, like the enemy is invisible, what happens??
YOU DIE!!!
the same reason why i am here, in any instance of a project, lifelong goal, whatever it may be, you need the right support, variety of opinions and knowledge of others to feed on.
And to worship God by singing praises, cause I feel like it.
I still don't feel its wrong to whack off. IF i didnt do that, and i do remember VIVIDLY, two things happen.
a. My thingy shrinks, from lack of usage
b. by simply touching it for a few seconds the ammo has been released before the trigger has been cocked,
you know what i mean?
How many women in the world need much longer stimulation to feel an orgasm?
Hey you can read SOLOMON in the bible and he would describe in detail about how he makes love to a woman. Of all things, the bible is graphically intense on sexual matters.
Whats the clit for anyway? you still can bear children without it, SOO it must be there only for pleasure, as it pleasures a woman when rubbed, it really can't be hit by intercourse by much.
Another thing, is that I know the devil is the main factor for feeling guilt, less than, defeated.
If he knows your confidence is defeated and any sexually related thing is banned by you, he has won. He likes to make you think he doesn't exist and he is just a false entity,
its like you go to war and you don't know what the enemy's plan of action is, in fact its there in front of your very eyes, you can see exactly how many soldiers, the way they are formed, how many tanks and what time of day they will be attacking,
But instead you pretend you don't see it, like the enemy is invisible, what happens??
YOU DIE!!!
Supra said:I do need to seperate myself from adult entertainment completely. Does got not say in the Bible that it is wrong?
i always felt i couldnt look at adult entertainment or nudity without thinking about having sex with the women. try bikini pics and stuff like that, and see how you feel. im still up in the air about that.
zxcvbnm9000 said:i always felt i couldnt look at adult entertainment or nudity without thinking about having sex with the women. try bikini pics and stuff like that, and see how you feel. im still up in the air about that.
I really didnt want to get into this thread again, BUT here goes:
I understand why you are up the air about that, because it is contradictory. If you really do believe looking at adult entertainment and nudity is wrong for the reasons you stated, it is just as wrong to look at bikini pics because you are doing it for the same reasons. You arent looking at bikini pics for intellectual stimulation or spiritual enlightenment.
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I have waded through most of the posts on this thread. Whew, what a bunch of comments. I enjoyed most of them and at least you fellows who are writing all this stuff are doing some thinking about God. From that stand point it is good. My comments won't be long. God has revealed himself to man through the person of Jesus Christ and the Bible. All the efforts of man for hundreds of years have tried to destroy both, to no avail. God's love is told in the Bible and demonstrated and proved in Jesus Christ. Doesn't matter if you believe the Bible or not, it just is. About Jesus, he loves you even if you don't love him. That is why he died on the cross, so we can have a right relationship with God.
About masterbation and not having sin in our life....personally I think that you can masterbate without sinning. You don't have to think about sex, women or evil when you masterbate. It is a physical drive, a motovation that is natural. Sure you can dwell on women, sex and immorality but you don't have to. We do what we want anyway. And we believe what we want too. GS
About masterbation and not having sin in our life....personally I think that you can masterbate without sinning. You don't have to think about sex, women or evil when you masterbate. It is a physical drive, a motovation that is natural. Sure you can dwell on women, sex and immorality but you don't have to. We do what we want anyway. And we believe what we want too. GS
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Good stuff, GS. I agree.
John
John
I don't see what one (Penis Enlargement) would have to do with the other (religion). At least I would hope so.
I believe that they are two entirely different things that have no reason to be lumped together.
Does your religion have anything to do with taking a leak? Or a dump? Or breathing?
Why clump the two together? Because it involves your penis? I don't get it.
Thinking like that only proves that religion has ruined your life.
I believe that they are two entirely different things that have no reason to be lumped together.
Does your religion have anything to do with taking a leak? Or a dump? Or breathing?
Why clump the two together? Because it involves your penis? I don't get it.
Thinking like that only proves that religion has ruined your life.
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Well, I agreed with you (mostly) until the last sentence.
pe'ing without pictures is good for me. control your thoughts and dont let sin enter your mind, Lord willing, and you will be happy.
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German Stallion
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NeXux, Where in the world are you coming from...Jesus was a liberal? That is a new one? GS
I didn't know Alan Colmes did Penis Enlargement.
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I think he's using "radical" and "liberal" to mean the same thing. There is a difference.
zxcvbnm9000 said:i always felt i couldn't look at adult entertainment or nudity without thinking about having sex with the women. try bikini pics and stuff like that, and see how you feel. im still up in the air about that.
BWAHAH
Sorry but that was funny.
Lets make and analysis of the two options
scenario 1) you use adult entertainment as a Penis Enlargement tool - you are committing one sin because adult entertainment is condemned
scenario 2) you switch from adult entertainment to bikini pics - you are committing two sins: 1- you are trying to fool God. 2- The sin of stupidity for thinking you can fool God (not to mention that the sin of trying to fool God must be very high on the pyramid of sins)
I think I will stick to option 1 because I would be committing less sins... so guys... adult entertainment IS THE WAY TO GO
NeXus said:its written that Jesus was the person who accepted the outcasts of society. He openly accepted people who others hated. Like prostitutes, tax collectors and probably gay people.
Was Jesus more of an aristocratic, wealthy conservative Republican? I doubt it.
Well, Republicans (to some extent) today accept the outcasts of society: gun nuts, pill poppers, tax evaders, business people, producers,etc.
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nitro said:BWAHAH
Sorry but that was funny.
Lets make and analysis of the two options
scenario 1) you use adult entertainment as a Penis Enlargement tool - you are committing one sin because adult entertainment is condemned
scenario 2) you switch from adult entertainment to bikini pics - you are committing two sins: 1- you are trying to fool God. 2- The sin of stupidity for thinking you can fool God (not to mention that the sin of trying to fool God must be very high on the pyramid of sins)
I think I will stick to option 1 because I would be committing less sins... so guys... adult entertainment IS THE WAY TO GO
By whom is adult entertainment condemned? Does it say in the Bible "Thou shalt not look at adult entertainment?" If you're talking about Catholicism, that's another story. For a Catholic to look at adult entertainment would be against his beliefs. For a Protestant to look at adult entertainment, well, whether its a sin or not is between him and God.
Stupidity is not a sin. And also there is no "pyramid of sins." No sin is any worse in God's eyes than any other sin.
NeXus, considering that Republican and Democrat are two political parties, I'm pretty sure Jesus would have identified himself with neither of them. Was He radical? Yes. What He taught was VERY different from what the Jewish leaders of the day taught. He opposed them completely. But does that mean He was liberal? No. What He taught was more "conservative" than what the Jews were doing, but what made the difference was the reason behind his principles. It wasn't "do not _____ because God said not to." It was "do not ______ because you should love your brothers. Do not ______ because you will be a stumbling block to others." And so on. So I don't think Christ could be put into either of the categories of "liberal" and "conservative."
adult entertainment is a sin IMO, because its coveting a woman, its even brushed over in the 10 commandments, because it is a definite form of adultery. So yes i do think adult entertainment is a sin
I was watching NOVA the other day, and it has proven that the Universe is about 14 billion years old.
This is flat out contradiction to what the Bible says. So who is right? Scientist who have used tools to PROVE the age of the universe, or some old mythological "bible"?
This proves that the Bible is just a guide and not truth. Same as religion.
This is flat out contradiction to what the Bible says. So who is right? Scientist who have used tools to PROVE the age of the universe, or some old mythological "bible"?
This proves that the Bible is just a guide and not truth. Same as religion.
NeXus said:I was watching NOVA the other day, and it has proven that the Universe is about 14 billion years old.
This is flat out contradiction to what the Bible says. So who is right? Scientist who have used tools to PROVE the age of the universe, or some old mythological "bible"?
This proves that the Bible is just a guide and not truth. Same as religion.
14 billion years huh! Well read 2nd Peter 3 and verse 8. Or, maybe I'll just share it with you and save you the time of looking it up. It says, But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
I'm sure you are an intelligent guy so you do the math. "IF" as most people believe that the Bible says that the earth is approximately 6000 years old, multiply that times 365 days. Thats a lot of days bro. Then as the Bible just stated to you that each day is as a thousand years. Well , Hydromaxmmm the earth is pretty old huh. Maybe nova has been slipping ariound and reading some "old " book as well.
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Well...I don't think that verse in the Bible means literally that a day is exactly 1000 years, but I see your point.
Sorry, but no, that isn't in "flat out contradiction to what the Bible says." It never says "God created the heavens and the earth in about 4000 BC."
I think it is possible that God created the universe at one point billions of years ago. I think he may have let it sit for a few billiion years or whatever and then created the earth. Maybe after a long time he finally created animals and plants and humans and such. I don't think the book of Genesis is intended to be a science book.
As far as saying that they have proven that the universe is 14 billion years old, I don't buy it. They cannot prove the age of the universe, only come up with a really close estimation. And I'm sure 'proven' was your own word, and not the word they used. Because no real scientist would ever say that they have proven the age of the universe.
The Bible is mythological, is it? Show me one time where anything in the Bible is proven wrong. It is extremely historically accurate. I don't think you can say that the Bible is a mythological book. But if you can show me even ONE legitimate reason that the Bible should be viewed as mythology, let's have it. But until you can show me that, I would appreciate it if you would respect my views and quit attacking my faith. Because you have yet to come up with any good reason NOT to believe, so your posts in this thread are worthless and a tribute to your own ignorance. Let's have some facts, please. Or at least some decent philosophical discussion.
Sorry, but no, that isn't in "flat out contradiction to what the Bible says." It never says "God created the heavens and the earth in about 4000 BC."
I think it is possible that God created the universe at one point billions of years ago. I think he may have let it sit for a few billiion years or whatever and then created the earth. Maybe after a long time he finally created animals and plants and humans and such. I don't think the book of Genesis is intended to be a science book.
As far as saying that they have proven that the universe is 14 billion years old, I don't buy it. They cannot prove the age of the universe, only come up with a really close estimation. And I'm sure 'proven' was your own word, and not the word they used. Because no real scientist would ever say that they have proven the age of the universe.
The Bible is mythological, is it? Show me one time where anything in the Bible is proven wrong. It is extremely historically accurate. I don't think you can say that the Bible is a mythological book. But if you can show me even ONE legitimate reason that the Bible should be viewed as mythology, let's have it. But until you can show me that, I would appreciate it if you would respect my views and quit attacking my faith. Because you have yet to come up with any good reason NOT to believe, so your posts in this thread are worthless and a tribute to your own ignorance. Let's have some facts, please. Or at least some decent philosophical discussion.
The Bible says God made the world in 6 days. That is a flat out contradiction to what has been proven about Earth. The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. According to the Bible, it would be less than 1 billion years old.
Science is about EVIDENCE to PROVE your theory. Religion is about blindly puttin your faith into a organization and excepting whatever bullshit they fill your brain with. Kinda like a cult.
Science is about EVIDENCE to PROVE your theory. Religion is about blindly puttin your faith into a organization and excepting whatever bullshit they fill your brain with. Kinda like a cult.
9cyclops9 said:As far as saying that they have proven that the universe is 14 billion years old, I don't buy it. They cannot prove the age of the universe, only come up with a really close estimation. And I'm sure 'proven' was your own word, and not the word they used. Because no real scientist would ever say that they have proven the age of the universe.
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They have proven it to a 99.99% accuracy. That is FACT. The fact that you "dont buy it" is the same reason that you think the Bible is absolute truth. Which it is not.
Its a guide. Just like religion. Its just supposed to be a guide. Not to be taken literally. Christianity dosent want you to ask questions, just like a cult. Adams and Eve were casted out of Eden for eating an apple from the Tree of Knowledge.
Get it KNOWLEDGE?!? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
How can you ever prove the existence of the universes age when you can't even get out of galaxy? Its too huge to measure. This galaxy might be 14 billion years old, but what about Infinite amount of space in the universe? Humans are fallible. The word of God is not. Amen.