Gaing while NOT PE'ing?

Bionic · Jan 23, 2006

Vaseline_Knight said:
Actually I'm a professional natural bodybuilder. (I have a platuea usually around 210 and cant get heavier than that, but at 5-6% I hold my own on the stage. thats the price of being natural. ) anyways, The majority of pro builders I know now (steroid or not) are lean bulking. To bulk up dirty and cut down the way bb'ers used to is old business.

And I assure you, I'm nowhere close to a gym rat, some members here have seen some of my pictures.

Look, I don't care who you are or what you're on, if you are bulking, you are taking in above maintenance calories and you WILL GAIN FAT. Period. And no one ever said anything about bulking "dirty," either. More calories in than out = muscle and fat gain.

Vaseline_Knight · Jan 23, 2006

Bionic said:
Look, I don't care who you are or what you're on, if you are bulking, you are taking in above maintenance calories and you WILL GAIN FAT. Period. And no one ever said anything about bulking "dirty," either. More calories in than out = muscle and fat gain.

I'm sorry but you are totally wrong.

so you're telling me, that if some1 was to consume, 4000 calories from whey protein isolate (yes i know thats quite a bit of shakes, but possible), that he/she is going to get fat?

no my friend. calories are not just calories. we have good cals and bad cals. to bulk up u need fat and carbs. but the more complex carbs, if taken only during the day, and post workout, will never be enough to over staturate the glycogen levels, which will inturn over flow and be stored into fat. with a selective diet, all the big builders these days including coleman and cutler, are lean bulking, cuz bulking up and gaining alot of fat and then cutting down is just way to innefficient.

anyways, u can have ur opion, and its the opinion many bodybuilders still hold, because its the classical idea of how to do things.

back to the topic of the post.

millionman · Jan 23, 2006

Start a new thread over in the BB section. Interesting topic to discuss.

As far as the thread goes, I have noticed on breaks that the first few days off my penis doesn't feel the same in fact I'd say I felt small. After about a week things seem to get a lot better, erection quality improves, not on sensory overload from having to have a session everyday, and generally in a better frame of mind. During this time after the first few days I can say that the growth from the previous sessions is apparent, and so I guess you could say that you do "gain" while on break.

Vaseline_Knight · Jan 24, 2006

millionman said:
Start a new thread over in the BB section. Interesting topic to discuss.

As far as the thread goes, I have noticed on breaks that the first few days off my penis doesn't feel the same in fact I'd say I felt small. After about a week things seem to get a lot better, erection quality improves, not on sensory overload from having to have a session everyday, and generally in a better frame of mind. During this time after the first few days I can say that the growth from the previous sessions is apparent, and so I guess you could say that you do "gain" while on break.

yes i have noticed that too, its as if the penis actually builds up after a break of 2 days? thanks for ur input.

EVO · Jan 24, 2006

i think its worth mentioning that i just had the weekend off pe totally. thats 2 days. on monday (yday) it was the thickest ive ever felt it, with more veins

IXL · Jan 24, 2006

After 2 days rest I noticed the ribs in my penis being more prominent.

Vaseline_Knight · Jan 25, 2006

IXL said:
After 2 days rest I noticed the ribs in my penis being more prominent.

yes it seems to be consistent. I guess you can break down/ stretch the tissue in the penis all you want, but you wont see the results after those 2 days of rest.

nobody · Jan 26, 2006

Vaseline_Knight said:
Thanks for your input.
and how have your gains been both in length and girth? (i.e. what was your starting stats)

keep the inputs comming guys.

Just over an an inch gain in both length and girth.

icecam · Jan 26, 2006

Vaseline_Knight said:
I'm sorry but you are totally wrong.

so you're telling me, that if some1 was to consume, 4000 calories from whey protein isolate (yes i know thats quite a bit of shakes, but possible), that he/she is going to get fat?

no he will not get FAT he will gain FAT. if some was to take in 4000 cals of protein that is equal to 1000g of protein.

which is just fucking insane.

protein is abosrbed into the body as much as it is needed. once the protein is broken down you either shit the rest out or it gets stored as fat.

Vaseline_Knight · Jan 26, 2006

icecam said:
no he will not get FAT he will gain FAT. if some was to take in 4000 cals of protein that is equal to 1000g of protein.

which is just fucking insane.

protein is abosrbed into the body as much as it is needed. once the protein is broken down you either shit the rest out or it gets stored as fat.

well you are partially correct.

First you're correct that it would be roughly 1000 g (more like 900g).
and You are also correct that the amount of protein used by the body will be used to repair the body, as well as some being broken down to simple amino acids for other bodily functions and the rest will be flushed out of your system.

However, you are completely wrong that protein will be converted or stored as fat. The body, through the use of insulin, can convert excess carbohydrates in the blood stream (either unused glycogen or just excess unused carbs which couldn't be absorbed by the already saturated muscels) into glucose. The body can ONLY, convert glucose into fat and store it as fat.

It's interesting that the body can never convert NOR store protein as fat. What's more intersting is that it can't even store FAT as fat. Whether you have polyunsaturated fats or saturated fatty acids, the body will have to use and then flush them out. This is ofcourse the principle behind the low carb, high protein high fat diets like Dr. Atkin's diet.

So in conclusion: No, you absolutely can't get fat from a 4000g/day protein diet.

(even though you're right and thats a huge amount and you'd soon have problems with you kidneys)

icecam · Jan 27, 2006

Vaseline_Knight said:
well you are partially correct.

First you're correct that it would be roughly 1000 g (more like 900g).
and You are also correct that the amount of protein used by the body will be used to repair the body, as well as some being broken down to simple amino acids for other bodily functions and the rest will be flushed out of your system.

However, you are completely wrong that protein will be converted or stored as fat. The body, through the use of insulin, can convert excess carbohydrates in the blood stream (either unused glycogen or just excess unused carbs which couldn't be absorbed by the already saturated muscels) into glucose. The body can ONLY, convert glucose into fat and store it as fat.

It's interesting that the body can never convert NOR store protein as fat. What's more intersting is that it can't even store FAT as fat. Whether you have polyunsaturated fats or saturated fatty acids, the body will have to use and then flush them out. This is ofcourse the principle behind the low carb, high protein high fat diets like Dr. Atkin's diet.

So in conclusion: No, you absolutely can't get fat from a 4000g/day protein diet.

(even though you're right and thats a huge amount and you'd soon have problems with you kidneys)

shit so you are i got mixed up with the protein and carb breakdown.

Huxley · Jan 27, 2006

I was having trouble maintaing erections during long sessions of double jelq and bends so I decided to take a few days off to give it a rest after almost non stop for 10 weeks. I did phase 1 for 6 weeks, and phase 2 for 4 weeks and measured. Then after 3 days off I decided to measure again and found that my girth had actually increased. Now Im going to incorporate days off into my routine, probably go sunday to thursday and take friday/sat off. And throw in an extra few days off every 4 weeks or so.

Vaseline_Knight · Jan 27, 2006

Huxley said:
I was having trouble maintaing erections during long sessions of double jelq and bends so I decided to take a few days off to give it a rest after almost non stop for 10 weeks. I did phase 1 for 6 weeks, and phase 2 for 4 weeks and measured. Then after 3 days off I decided to measure again and found that my girth had actually increased. Now Im going to incorporate days off into my routine, probably go sunday to thursday and take friday/sat off. And throw in an extra few days off every 4 weeks or so.

ya alotta people even recommend taking a full week off after a a good 4 week Penis Enlargement routine to maximize gains.

J.J. · Jan 28, 2006

Well, I'm not as experienced as some of you guys yet (although I've gained 0.8 inch in lenght until now) but I can say I didn't do pe in december due to being busy etc. and when I resumed my training beginning of January I had gained exactly 0.2 inch in lenght.

Vaseline_Knight · Jan 28, 2006

J.J. said:
Well, I'm not as experienced as some of you guys yet (although I've gained 0.8 inch in lenght until now) but I can say I didn't do pe in december due to being busy etc. and when I resumed my training beginning of January I had gained exactly 0.2 inch in lenght.

very nice.

and how often were u Penis Enlargement'ing before you took that break?

NewGuy311 · Jan 28, 2006

I myself noticed a little less than a .25 gain when i was peing hardcore and was getting shitty erections. I was 7.25 nbp at the time, and when i was peing like i was, i was barely reaching 7, and my erections were real spongy and along with all that i developed a t-vein. That all realy me, so I stopped, and withen the 2nd week of being off my routine, my erections started coming back, and i hit close to 7.4 nbp, but im gonna say 7.3. It was over 7.2which was my best measurment to date. Not much, but a gain is a gain. Im still taking a break and im gonna get back into it soon. I got a question though, if you take off from your routine, would wearing something like a ring to improve flaccid size be ok while your taking time off or should you be completely off?

Vaseline_Knight · Jan 28, 2006

NewGuy311 said:
I myself noticed a little less than a .25 gain when i was peing hardcore and was getting shitty erections. I was 7.25 nbp at the time, and when i was peing like i was, i was barely reaching 7, and my erections were real spongy and along with all that i developed a t-vein. That all realy me, so I stopped, and withen the 2nd week of being off my routine, my erections started coming back, and i hit close to 7.4 nbp, but im gonna say 7.3. It was over 7.2which was my best measurment to date. Not much, but a gain is a gain. Im still taking a break and im gonna get back into it soon. I got a question though, if you take off from your routine, would wearing something like a ring to improve flaccid size be ok while your taking time off or should you be completely off?

well if ur talking about the Ring of Power (RoP), I don't know much about it. but as a rule of thumb, ADS is even recommended to be worn during 'off' periods, so you can heal in an extended state.

I personally have yet to find an ADS that is truely an All Day Stretcher. most of them are soo uncomfortable. Penis stretchers and traction devices are a total waste of money in my opinion.

NewGuy311 · Jan 28, 2006

Vaseline_Knight said:
well if ur talking about the Ring of Power (RoP), I don't know much about it. but as a rule of thumb, ADS is even recommended to be worn during 'off' periods, so you can heal in an extended state.

I personally have yet to find an ADS that is truely an All Day Stretcher. most of them are soo uncomfortable. Penis stretchers and traction devices are a total waste of money in my opinion.

Thanks man thats exactly what i wanted to know man. I dont want to buy anything like a stretcher, i was talking about something that keeps your flacid clamped throughout the day and in an extended period. I went out and got clamps and stuff and thats something im gonna try soon to improve flaccid hang.

Vaseline_Knight · Jan 28, 2006

NewGuy311 said:
Thanks man thats exactly what i wanted to know man. I dont want to buy anything like a stretcher, i was talking about something that keeps your flacid clamped throughout the day and in an extended period. I went out and got clamps and stuff and thats something im gonna try soon to improve flaccid hang.

sounds good
let us know how that goes
I would just becareful with not restricting too much blood flow

DLD · Jan 28, 2006

I think penile massage on off days will not only speed recovery but will lend to the gaining process. I have an incredible massage I use, I will get it up asap.

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