Gaing while NOT PE'ing?

DWTS00 said:

When you cause the micro tears and cell splitting you will grow overtime and you do need rest(most ppl do *like 99% of em*) like weight lifting most ppl will overtrain and lose strength and muscle mass if training 7days a week but arnold did that and look how he was..before you say steroids even people who are taking steroids shouldnt be working out 7 days a week theyre an aid not a magic drug...neway I do realize that the tissue down there is diff but it grows the slowest and Im not sure about recovery IMHO I say give a day or 2 off possibly alternation like 6 days on 1 days off then 5 days on 2 days off and make sure there is 24 hrs between the sessions like dont do it 11 pm one day and then do it 11 am the next or whatever stick to the time as much as you can

as for the weight lifting part alot of people thing more is better which is not true 99% of the time...unless theyre pure mesomorph have nothing to do but to look good for a living have one helluva nutrition/supplement/roid program and have no stress in their life then yeah

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millionman said:

There is much that could be said about this particular topic. DLD is one of the biggest growers and he trained everyday. Bib hung everyday, and there are others like BG over at Thunder's who talks about clampathons and never letting it turtle.

In view of the different areas that you work, length or girth, then rest can be seen a bit more clearly. Length it is a good idea to fatigue the fibers daily, but it is a relative term to be fatigued. Hanging heavy for numerous days consecutively is not the best idea, in fact it can lead to injuries such as skin tearing and severe bruising. Manuals are the same way in general, if you pull extra hard one day then the tissue will be a bit more pliable the next day and the same amount of force could again, possibly lead to injury. Length work can generally be done more frequently and with a higher "load", meaning amount of weight/pull and also volume.

Girth is a bit more general. There are markers for overtraining with girth, a few being erection strength, fluid buildup, bruisining, and desire is also a big one to consider. Girth for most guys can be done everyday as well, but the catch is not to push everyday to the maximum degree of intenisty. You can clamp everyday if you simply apply the clamp and trap the blood in the penis. If you clamp everyday performing three-four rotations of different squeezes striving for maximum engorgement then you are going to over train and have erection problems. The point of all of this is to say that one of the keys to Penis Enlargementing and being consistent is understanding how to vary the intensity with which you attack your sessions. If you're feeling extra horny then have an intense session, but if you're stressed and pressed for time then do some nice slow jelqs to get the blood moving a bit. It's pretty simple as far as it goes, but it's about knowing your own penis.

It has also been discussed at length about long breaks, also known as deconditioning breaks. These work very well for someone who gets stressed out, pressed for time on a daily basis, or just needs a break. I can say that a break of more than 4 weeks did help my gains. I took a nice long mental break from Penis Enlargement, worrying about my penis, and just enjoying everyday life and I came back ready to work and my penis grew from it. I have consistently gained after that long break, and will probably take another long break here soon. Deconditioning breaks are generally good in all aspects, from lifting weights, dieting, work, school, and most of us don't consider the time off we have for vacation a time to decondition but that's all it is. It's a time to get away from things, even if it's just one area, and enjoy being free for a time.

The benefits to taking a break during the week could primarily be mental, but I believe there are benefits to taking breaks physiologically. The tissues will repair to an extent over a 24 hour period, but not to the extent of being completely healed. This is a time for the metabolic wastes from the tissue trauma to be removed and the body can begin to repair the "damage". This break would allow for the erection to be strong consistently after a day off as the tissues will not be as soft as if they had just been worked. This would help with workout consitency, and keep things interesting and from being in a grind all the time.

Generally speaking breaks are good, and most people could use one. Maybe not necessarily on a schedule but based on how they feel on a given day. I've used this type of method for a while, and I can say that I have more on days than off, but I can also say that my sessions are very productive and are getting me where I want to be. I enjoy my sessions as much on a jelq only day, as when I perform 15 Supra Slammers. It's really mostly about perspective and knowing how you feel.

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Vaseline_Knight said:

Great post. I'm glad you mentioned that 'hanging heavy day after day isn't a good idea', because that's what I have been doing and I'm at EXTREME fatigue, to the point of slight pain in the ligs near the end of a set.

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goldmember said:

Vas,

That doesn't sound like EXTREME fatigue, in fact it sounds kinda like right where you wanna be man. If your penis is CONSTANTLY 24/7 feeling like how you described, then that may be time to take a day off or only go a couple light sets for a couple of days, but slight pain in the ligs near the end of a set is ideal, and when you continue to hang by adding sets while in this state, is what some refer to as 'riding the fatigue'. BIB preaches that this is one of the keys to gaining.

I think MM made an excellent post by the way. I think he is right when saying that length can be trained every day (for most people) while girth may be best going three days a week as an intense session, go light three days, and take a day off. Maybe Mon, Wed, Fri as intense; Tue, Thu, Sat as light; and Sunday as rest. However, if hanging for length, I would NEVER go intense on a girth session because this will promote fluid buildup and make hanging less productive.

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goldmember said:

Try taking two days off from GIRTH WORK ONLY, and see if that affects your situation at all. Continue to hang during these two days, and if you notice that there is improvement, you may wish to stop doing the girth work indefinitely. However, if the situation does not improve, I think it is safe to say that girth work is OK for you to do, so long as it is done after hanging.

As far as having to drop weight after one set (or start with less weight), this is ideal! According to BIB, this is how you know you've reached an effective level of fatigue that is good for gains. Remember, riding the fatigue is the key to length. Bodybuilding and Penis Enlargement are not analagous in every aspect...for length gains OVERTRAINING is necessary to gain, otherwise you will just be strengthening the ligs and not effectively breaking them down. By allowing the ligs full recovery, they are just getting tougher and not lengthening much (if at all). I think it would be OK to take a break if you think it is necessary, but the feeling you describe sounds to be exactly what you are after. Try PM'ing BIB and see what he says about this. He usually is quick to respond, and has no hesitation to answering your email.

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nobody said:

I have absolutely no experience with hanging so I can't speak for that aspect of this thread. As to girth work I clamp every day for an hour straight with constant bends and compressions after the first twenty minutes (aided by steel plates made from coasters). I actually try to do two of these sessions daily, up to three or four when time permits. I take a day off after around a month if I start to to get weak erections. I am just starting to do manual stretching again after taking most of last year off. I love clamping but I get real lazy when it comes to stretching. I know if I had kept my stretching up to snuff I'd be over 8" in length. I believe 110% in DLD's principal of skipping rest days for the most part, once your cock becomes conditioned (my opinion:after 4-5 months of dedicated pe).

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Bionic said:

I agree with taking rest days for manual Penis Enlargement and girth work, however, I believe that traction/hanging should be done w/o breaks. My reasoning for this is that when it is done in a medical enviornment, due to injury or surgery, no rest days are prescribed. It is done continuously until the desired result is achieved. I believe that ADS's are key but I've yet to find one that I can stand to wear AD, as it were. This way, you keep the penis extended using less weight so that it can heal in an elongated state when you are not hanging.

As for manuals and girth work, I believe that 1 on/1 off may be the way to go. But I don't think that length and girth should be worked at the same time. It sends mixed messages to the brain. I know that sounds a bit odd but it's like if you were to use an electric massager on, let's say, your glutes while at the same time, giving yourself an injection, the brain can only process one sensation at a time so you will only feel one or the other. Never both. It can also be compared to building muscle while burning fat at the same time. While it is possible to an extent, you will not gain large amounts of muscle or lose large amounts of fat because the brain/body gets confused. This is why bber's always either bulk or cut for a set amount of time. This allows them to maximize on each effort. This may be key to further development. Also, I don't see it spoken about alot anymore but I think it is much more valuable than you all realize. That is heating your penis to 113 degrees farenheit/45 degrees celcius. Just look at the research on far infrared light. It does all of the things that we wish to accomplish. I think it fell out of favor by most due to lack of results which I feel may have been due to not heating up to the proper temps. I bought a small pocket-size no-touch thermometer to ensure that I was getting the right temp and it worked well. It actually looks like I have a whole different penis (In a good way.) Hope this helps.

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Vaseline_Knight said:

thanks for ur input.

I however disagree with the building muscle/burning fat anology as regards to length and girth. It may very well be what you said, but building muscle and burning fat have completely different mechanics, even though many bodybuilders recently are lean bulking, hence doing both at the same time. but adding girth and length are both the same. gaining a larger CC and Tunica (as well as lig lengths). whats different is the direction of the growth.

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Formysweetie said:

Suppose you were trying to become more flexible. Not trying to gain muscle. Would you stretch one day and lay off the next? Just wondering.

It seems to me that muscle-building and penis building are two different things. A penis isn't a "muscle." it cannot be made stronger, and by so-doing, made bigger. It has to be mechanically stretched and engorged repeatedly, so often that it expands.

Is there proof that you actually increase the cellular numbers in your cavernosa? You probably just increase the size of the cells. But the ligaments and tunica might fill in with additional cells. Still, we don't know that for sure.

The reason some people increase more than others might be because they have more cells/cu. in than someone else. In that, the effect is the same as weight lifting. But the technique is totally different. You don't grow muscle by stretching it, clamping it, and mechanically engorging it, artificially. You grow muscle by forcing it to wear it out and the body replaces it with larger cells. That's why you have to rest. But is this the way that you grow a penis?

Do the African natives takes the rings off their necks and rest 3 days/week? Just wondering.

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Bionic said:

You guys are right! My bad!!! ! I didn't mean to imply that the same mechanisms of losing fat and gaining muscle came into play with Penis Enlargement. I just meant to point out that one should pick one goal and then when it is achieved, move on to the next goal. But as for "lean-bulking" you cannot add large amounts of muscle w/o gaining fat. That type of thing may be good for the "regular joe" types of bbers but the pros don't mess around w/that. It's full steam ahed w/the bulk then the same deal w/the cut. Lean-bulking is for the gym-rat w/no aspirations to compete on a pro-level. But that is neither here nor there. I'm very interested in hearing other theories on the Penis Enlargement front. Good stuff, guys!

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