This is scary

I'm ending my participation in this. I've been around long enough to know there are two types of people:

1) Those who listen to what someone has to say
2) and those who are simply waiting to talk

Unfortunately, you fall into the latter group. Numerous times in this discussion it has been said that I am not CLAIMING anything (see Allegix's post as well). All I did is bring to this forum a condition someone felt was brought on by Penis Enlargement and/or what he thought was a possible "genetic defect in his penis".
There is nothing any more wrong with that than any other statement made on this site. I can bring up 5000 posts saying this Penis Enlargement exercise does this or that or caused this boo boo or whatever. Am I going to ask for this person to begin faxing me 100's of pages of "medical proof" because I don't believe Penis Enlargement caused him the problem? NO. I am going to read it and say "Hmm. Maybe I won't jelq that way, stretch that way or whatever." I mean for god's sake let us remember this is a Penis EnlargementNIS ENLARGEMENT SITE not the New England Journal of Medicine.



And in conclusion, you may want to explore how ridiculously hypocritical your statements are. Let's take a look shall we?

"May induce someone to seek a completely unnecessary medical procedure or expend time and money chasing a "problem" which doen't exist."

You just made more than a claim friend. Now you are stating this DOES NOT EXIST. Yay. We have our 1st self-appointed MOS urologist.

"...in fact I enjoy good, healthy debate and intellectual exploration."

No you don't. That is why I brought this topic up. If you did enjoy intellectual exploration, you would have discussed the topic with the rest of MOS to see if we could come to the likely cause, affected population, likely risk etc. as LAY Penis EnlargementOPLE...which is all we are. Not doctors.

This one is my favorite:

"You presented a position as if it were established, accepted medical fact."

Wow, really? Because I bring to the forum's attention that someone on another site feels a genetic predisposition may put one at risk for a Penis Enlargement injury...this is presenting it as "established, accepted medical fact"? Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.

And lastly...

"I sincerely suggest you drop this thread as completely useless and potentially destructive."

The armageddon statement. Oh my goodness...the potential destruction!! The Penis Enlargement world may never be the same!! Sounds like a pay-per-view intro. Laugh.

Shall we delete your account then?

I think that would be viewed as a pretty weak move. We obviously disagree, but this type of healthy debate is what makes forums great. I don't think 'deleting' every member who disagrees with you is something DLD would promote, but it's your show. Hitler tried that once. It wasn't met with alot of praise.

There's another type of person as well:

One who cannot accept that others may not accept his point of view or concern for a potential risk. I appreciate your concern (seriously, no really I DO I promise!), but common man. There comes a point where you just have to realize you're wasting your breath. Would you go to a sky diving enthusiasts' forum and tell them there's serious risks they are over looking, or cite statistics that point out that there's a 1 in 5,000 chance they could die due to equipment failure, or human error while sky diving...because ....after all, it IS a VOLUNTARY activity. ???

That said, I'm locking this thread as it is not going anywhere productive, and turning more into a pissing contest. Thundersplace is where you do things like that. Take it how you want, it's not personal.

A final note, you don't end your participation, and then COME BACK with yet another reply to the thread

bump

Thought this was closed?
Ya got me man, ya got me!

MAXAMEYES;364417 said:

Thought this was closed?
Ya got me man, ya got me!

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I love drama, why close anything

doublelongdaddy;364477 said:

I love drama, why close anything

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You axed for it.

SO....
I can climb back on my soapbox & preach the Gospel in a loud and intrusive manner once again?

Wah-motherfuckin'-hoo.

MAXAMEYES;364482 said:

SO....
I can climb back on my soapbox & preach the Gospel in a loud and intrusive manner once again?

Wah-motherfuckin'-hoo.

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Preach on brotha!

grinder1;364078 said:

yawn. 3rd time: Smoking: Voluntary action.

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zzzzZZZZZ - P.E.: Voluntary Action

Anybody who's followed this thread might be wondering; WTF?
Well, "Erection Valves" do not, I repeat; do not exist. Hence, there cannot BE a problem with them.
An actual cause of impotence, however, is Venous Leakage. The following is the preamble to a larger and very informative article found here:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2490/7/14

Makes a damn good read, I recommend it to anyone with serious questions about impotence.
As I glean more info from the good ol' internet I'll make damn sure to pass it on here.


Abstract

Background

Etiology of venogenic erectile dysfunction is not exactly known. Various pathologic processes were accused but none proved entirely satisfactory. These include presence of large venous channels draining corpora cavernosa, Peyronie's disease, diabetes and structural alterations in fibroblastic components of trabeculae and cavernous smooth muscles. We investigated hypothesis that tunica albuginea atrophy with a resulting subluxation and redundancy effects venous leakage during erection.
Methods

18 patients (mean age 33.6 ± 2.8 SD years) with venogenic erectile dysfunction and 17 volunteers for control (mean age 31.7 ± 2.2 SD years) were studied. Intracorporal pressure was recorded in all subjects; tunica albuginea biopsies were taken from 18 patients and 9 controls and stained with hematoxylin and eosin and Masson's trichrome stains.
Results

In flaccid phase intracorporal pressure recorded a mean of 11.8 &#177; 0.8 cm H<SUB>2</SUB>O for control subjects and for patients of 5.2 &#177; 0.6 cm, while during induced erection recorded 98.4 &#177; 6.2 and 5.9 &#177; 0.7 cmH<SUB>2</SUB>O, respectively. Microscopically, tunica albuginea of controls consisted of circularly-oriented collagen impregnated with elastic fibers. Tunica albuginea of patients showed degenerative and atrophic changes of collagen fibers; elastic fibers were scarce or absent.
Conclusion

Study has shown that during erection intracorporal pressure of patients with venogenic erectile dysfunction was significantly lower than that of controls. Tunica albuginea collagen fibers exhibited degenerative and atrophic changes which presumably lead to tunica albuginea subluxation and floppiness. These tunica albuginea changes seem to explain cause of lowered intracorporal pressure which apparently results from loss of tunica albuginea veno-occlusive mechanism. Causes of tunica albuginea atrophic changes and subluxation need to be studied.

I dont even know what was the big deal. If those so called valves dont exist then the whole claim is bogus. This shouldnt even have gotten to the point of arguing about voluntary action and risk aversion.

Thanks, that was my point. Now venous leakage actually is a fairly serious, even if uncommon, problem. And with the number of posts on MOS concerning ED I really think this is a subject deserving of full coverage.

My dads best friend died during a workout session while he was squatting. what happened? food poison? steroids? blood pressure? nope. he had a heart failure which he never saw or heard anything about, suddenly his ticker just stopped ticking.

How can we use this? we can't.
Yes if your scared of life, don't drink don't smoke, always eat healthy don't eat meat, don't have sex. never be out in the sun. stay away from big cities. Don't stress. don't work out, NEVER eat fast food.

There you go now you will prob turn 138 if you don't die from boredness before that.

The fact is, that everything in life has a risk. EVERYTHING! your sitting infront of your computer now? Bam condence water ran down into your screen makes it starting fire up. sets your house on fire and you will die a horrible flaming death.

if this so called "valve" exist and it can be broken by pe it can probably also be broken by a good fucking session. And how many in here wanna trade those away?

I will make my daily session even more intense just for the sake of this

Hail the risk takers

is there any scientific proof that penis enlargement excersizes really work?

is there any scientific proof that they are safe?

and what is the scientifically prooved limitations of pressure and time for penis enlargement excersizes?

so can someone please give me information about 'facts' ??

i can say Penis Enlargement works up to a limit. yes i was feeling good in first weeks cuz felt it is longer and it made me feel good. but for the last 5 months i have been suffering from pain. not any impotence but the pain is making me crazy. and my penis is getting with red blue varicosed veins around.

so it is not a bad idea that to add on a site penis enlargement excersizes are on your own risk. like it is written on cigarattes..

how wud u defend yourself if someone claims he hurted himself with these excersizes?? and u r living in US i guess and i know there bec of this kind of things companies have to pay millions.

and when someone opens a topic like this u start playing with words. without any real 'fact'.

What's your point?
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Just whom are you talking to?

glennnn;364934 said:

is there any scientific proof that penis enlargement excersizes really work?

is there any scientific proof that they are safe?

and what is the scientifically prooved limitations of pressure and time for penis enlargement excersizes?

so can someone please give me information about 'facts' ??

i can say Penis Enlargement works up to a limit. yes i was feeling good in first weeks cuz felt it is longer and it made me feel good. but for the last 5 months i have been suffering from pain. not any impotence but the pain is making me crazy. and my penis is getting with red blue varicosed veins around.

so it is not a bad idea that to add on a site penis enlargement excersizes are on your own risk. like it is written on cigarattes..

how wud u defend yourself if someone claims he hurted himself with these excersizes?? and u r living in US i guess and i know there bec of this kind of things companies have to pay millions.

and when someone opens a topic like this u start playing with words. without any real 'fact'.

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i've gained 2.25 inches of cock in a little over a year.- and NO, its not a variation in measurement, i didn't have bad erection quality prior to Penis Enlargement, and i have no affiliation to any Penis Enlargement products or sites. so yes, Penis Enlargement DEFINITELY WORKS! get to pulling and stop arguing doubters!

MAXAMEYES;364941 said:

What's your point?
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Just whom are you talking to?

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whom are promoting penis enlargement devices and techniques..and who are supporting them. and pretending not understand what some people says here or dont accept the risk of this. i recently opened a topic here about varicosed veins in penis. just have a search in net in medical sites and see how many people are effected of these techniques. u will now say they did it wrong, too hard etc.. but u and some other people dont have mercy for people who will start these and most probably injure theirselves. so if u believe in god, or karma or justice or just to feel urself good. please warn people who thinks starting these exercises.. this is what i am trying to do for months in internet. in medical and Penis Enlargement sites..this wont change my stuck situation but still i continue for this..

I will say:
You haven't answered my questions.
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Your grammar could benefit from a little more attention.