Christianity vs. PE - can they co-exist?

Wow.

Never did I say that anyone who denies God believes themselves to be omnipresent or omniscient.
I said they would have to be in order to prove it thus the contradiction that is atheism.

Nor did the argument lend itself to the thought that I believe he who denies God then is calling themself God.

That is a total misrepresentation of the argument.

The benefit of doubt should be given even if you're hostile to my point of view.

I made it quite clear.

Atheism does not say it doesn't know if God exists or not, nor does it state that it can't be known, it states matter of fact that God does not exist.

To be able to deny the existence of God you would have to be God being all knowing and everywhere at once.

If you are not all knowing and let's say know 90% of everything there is to know about everything in the universe, (no one would even claim that) then it is possible that God exists within the 10% of what you don't know.

Also you would have to be able to be every place, everywhere in the universe at the same time because it could be even if you were able to be most of everywhere in the universe God could be in the place you're not.

That is why to state categorically that God does not exist you would have to have the attributes of God to know without doubt that He does not exist.

I think it's quite simple and that's why I chose it.
A child can't miss it.

That is why my argument with Bazooka Joe started when I called atheism pseudo intellectualism. He didn't like it but he likes to attack my faith.

Somehow he feels justified but that is his personal bias.
That's why now after his last response he was not just some poor guy giving his opinion and a hyper Christian got all bent out of shape.

He was attacking from the beginning and didn't like his belief system being challenged feeling it is justified to challenge the Christian belief system but his is beyond reach.

He has no answers so he attacks. They may be rude but do little to refute only an attempt to intimidate.

He asked me for proof and I gave him proof.

If he wants to change his world view to agnosticism then we're rapidly making progress in the right direction.

But if you want to hold to a world view that states God does not exist then there's no way out, you're stuck with it.

I'm a practing Christian and started pe 7 1/2 years ago. Penis Enlargement was separating me from my faith, so I cut back. I used to do my routine while watching ����. It's difficult to jelq properly when there's an attractive huge breasted woman on the screen. More often than not, I would end up masturbating, which limits progress and is a sin, as indicated in The Bible. I decided one day that I no longer wanted to be a slave of the flesh, so I destroyed all of my adult material and feel immeasurably better about it.
For pe now, I just use the extender and sometimes do manual stretches. I have made improvements but always have a fear in the back of my head of what if my future Christian girlfriend/wife has encountered some genetically gifted guy similar to __________ or has a thing for exceptionally large penises? I don't want to feel inferior and God knows that's why I continue to do pe.

zartan;302413 said:

I'm a practing Christian and started pe 7 1/2 years ago. Penis Enlargement was separating me from my faith, so I cut back. I used to do my routine while watching ����. It's difficult to jelq properly when there's an attractive huge breasted woman on the screen. More often than not, I would end up masturbating, which limits progress and is a sin, as indicated in The Bible. I decided one day that I no longer wanted to be a slave of the flesh, so I destroyed all of my adult material and feel immeasurably better about it.
For pe now, I just use the extender and sometimes do manual stretches. I have made improvements but always have a fear in the back of my head of what if my future Christian girlfriend/wife has encountered some genetically gifted guy similar to __________ or has a thing for exceptionally large penises? I don't want to feel inferior and God knows that's why I continue to do pe.

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Hi,

It' a widely accept belief probably a mandatory one by christians that god is perfect and everything he has done or will do is perfect,right?
If that were true then wouldn't all our bodies be inline wih your gods idea of perfection? Wouldn't the cock he gave you be perfect for the soul mate that you were created and destined to be with?

In other words, wouldn't your dick size that your god created you with be perfect,and not needing any modification?

I ask out of mild curiosity.

BazookaJoe;302448 said:

Hi,

It' a widely accept belief probably a mandatory one by christians that god is perfect and everything he has done or will do is perfect,right?
If that were true then wouldn't all our bodies be inline wih your gods idea of perfection? Wouldn't the cock he gave you be perfect for the soul mate that you were created and destined to be with?

In other words, wouldn't your dick size that your god created you with be perfect,and not needing any modification?

I ask out of mild curiosity.

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I think the body is perfect and one needs to work on being one with oneself inside and out. But like working out you can always improve or choose to use the body that god/ nature gave you.

Anth wouldn't you also need to know everything to prove God. Hence why none of us can really prove or disprove only speculate.

longstretch;302465 said:

I think the body is perfect and one needs to work on being one with oneself inside and out. But like working out you can always improve or choose to use the body that god/ nature gave you.

Anth wouldn't you also need to know everything to prove God. Hence why none of us can really prove or disprove only speculate.

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I think that's a fair question but really the answer is no.

The Christian doesn't "prove" God, nor relies on science or logical arguments to justify our faith. (I can only speak of my faith in this regard).

As a Christian philosopher once said, "God's not going to get into a test tube where the litmus paper will turn red, white or blue; lucky you."

Where proof is required faith is rendered meaningless.

Obviously I don't think anyone knows everything or is omnipresent. Neither Christian or atheist.

I was only pointing out the logical contradiction of the main tenet of the belief system at its core assertion.
I don't see how you can get around or beyond that point other than willfully ignoring it.

At that point I believe it is tantamount to having faith, just a different kind of faith than that practiced by people who believe in God.
The major problem with that is the atheist is not supposed to have faith. It is something that he denies.

Can you understand my point regarding this?

Regarding the human body I believe we are wonderfully made but we live in a universe where disease and imperfections do exist.
I believe we live in a fallen universe and that is why we see so much wrong in the world.

Man's inhumanity to man, the corruption of power, diseases, famine and natural disasters.

Despite all this mankind thrives. There is a hope inside all of us, an empathy for the suffering of others that drives us to make things better.

I don't think it's healthy worrying about the "what if's" or things unknown as if I will be "big enough" for my wife or if someone was better than me ect.

That will emotionally cripple anyone and make them a basket case.

However if you want a washboard stomach do it because you want it. If you want bigger muscles do what it takes to get you what you want.
But there is a price to be paid and a dedication required.

Don't get a washboard stomach just because you're worried about someone you don't even know exists for you or not yet.

There's always someone better in some regard than us.

I think it's healthy if you want to improve yourself but the motivation needs to be right, and anything motivated by fear is not good and needs to be re-evaluated.

anth

If you look at it, most big time gainers believe in Jesus Christ the lord and savior. DLD, Bib, yours truly. I bet theres countless others. I give all credits to the Lord, for he is the power and the light that guides me. I've been near death on one occasion, frankly thats enough. The 357 hit my leg. I call it divine intervention. Penis Enlargement like any other, can be expressed as the view of God. I ask, and shall recieve.

It seems like atheists that do not recognize the existence of the force in the universe we call " God " have not seen shit yet.

Try fasting for couple of days, go to Amsterdam to get the strongest sacred mushrooms you can get, and see yourself floating out of your body.

That being said, there is no problem with Penis Enlargement and believing in God.
Do it out of ego and fear of having a small penis, thats a bad thing.
Doing it cause you love yourself and want the best for yourself and give praise.

Then no problem at all.

D&B;304045 said:

It seems like atheists that do not recognize the existence of the force in the universe we call " God " have not seen shit yet.

Try fasting for couple of days, go to Amsterdam to get the strongest sacred mushrooms you can get, and see yourself floating out of your body.

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Yeah suffering from delusions, and hallucinating off shrooms is a great way to provide the world proof of sky fairies. In a honest and rational way. O _o


Long live zeus and his faithful sidekick the flying spaghetii monster!
May you see them after an 8th of shrooms and a small prayer ,ramen!

What i am also talking about is pure hard quantum mechanics.
Look up things like "pineal gland" and "The holographic universe".

If your conscience is focused and have intention for something, you will be able to go beyond space time, and even go into time space.

The 4th dimension and all that.

Now i probably sound less like a hippie, right.

Back at ya "dawg"

*wrong topic, sorry for bumping*

I know this is an old thread and nobody has kept this topic up, but I have been dealing with the same issue. Lately my walk with God has kinda come to a hault (not that I have stopped believing, its just I'm psissed cause I'm stuck at this point in my life where I'm not sure which way to go and I've prayed and have been patiently awaiting an answer) within the past couple of months. But I have been praying alot and asking for guidance.

Now as for Penis Enlargement I have been Penis Enlargementing for quite a while but I have always felt guilt about it because I am a christian. I still do it though because well I am still a guy and of course being born a natural sinner I get the urge to improve myself in the sex department. Now some would say If you feel guilty about it then stop doing it. But its a guilty feeling that I get in faith not in mind or body. I know that its a sin but I honestly have to say I love doing Penis Enlargement. After all God did make the penis and made it so through hard work and dedication it can become bigger.

Not really good at explaining myself and how I feel about it but really just wanted to bump this topic to see if there are any christian men out there going through the same thing.

Oh and by the way... if this topic becomes a frequent thread of discussion I would then like to place bets on how many posts it takes for this to become a debate between christians and atheists. Read all 9 of these pages and it seems like it spanned off into a completely different topic like 4 times.

icelex;383832 said:

I know that its a sin but I honestly have to say I love doing Penis Enlargement. After all God did make the penis and made it so through hard work and dedication it can become bigger.

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Please post the reference from the Bible where God commands, "Thou shalt not enlarge thy penis through entirely natural means."

Here we go again!

I couldnt read the whole thread because it got totally off topic. My 5th grade teacher told the class if you dont want to argue in a conversation dont talk about 2 things: Religion and Politics. Turned out to be very useful in my life.

I couldnt read the whole thread bc it turned into a dispute about God. Everyone has their own view and interpretation of God- even Christians. I was raised Christian and will probably never go back to that lifestyle.

I was wondering how someone who lived as a Christian would deal with Penis Enlargement and I realized why would someone practicing willingly let their beliefs stop them from doing something healthy. I dont think its absolutely 100% necessary to look at ���� to do Penis Enlargement although some things would be really tough. I dont see watching ���� is doing the same thing as looking at ���� to do Penis Enlargement. If your addicted to masturbating to ���� and going to church acting holy like probably 90% of Christians do (and not just ����- what I mean is, "everyones a sinner") then its not right, and you really cant justify looking at ���� to do Penis Enlargement if you want to keep that innocence in front of God.

Another thing is in Christian belief God doesnt weigh sin meaning murder isnt a worse sin than lying or pride. They are sin and both have the same weight. So if you say a little white lie and believe lying is wrong then that is no better than say using ���� to help you get an erection.

I just feel like if being a Christian is making you feel like you shouldnt do Penis Enlargement then maybe you should look at what it is your really believing. Who are you listening too? What is it exactly that makes you feel like doing something healthy for yourself is a sin?

No wonder this topic went on so passionately you could go on forever but it just turned into who God IS and of course no one can agree

I have news for everyone, everyone goes to Heaven no matter what they have done.

Here are my thoughts

You can Penis Enlargement and be a Christian if you do Penis Enlargement as purely an exercise. What this means is: Do jelquing/clamping without ����.
Naturally be aroused through self-discipline and abstinence (not ejaculating I havent ejaculated for a month or so now.)
Do not look at naked pictures of girls, of pictures of other guys genetalia, or any thing that would borderline make you lust.
Do not look at your penis and think "Oh man, I am awesome because of this." Do not let pride into your heart. Satan uses pride and runs with it.
Wanting a huge penis just to see yourself as having a huge penis is lust of the eyes. You are desiring that image of yourself and can bow down to that image instead of God.

Penis Enlargement can become idolatry and lustful. You also have to be careful not to become discontent because of your penis. God hates complaints and enviousness. Do not be envious of others, he says. “It is what comes out of a person that defiles. For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come: fornication, theft, murder, 22 adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly."

Ive been practicing penis enlargement again and I'm having a struggle with it. I'm praying about it and God is telling me that it's playing with fire.

Some things to be careful of: "I have news for everyone, everyone goes to Heaven no matter what they have done."

Be careful with this. Not all will enter heaven. It says "Believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved." Yes, but believing in Jesus isn't just a intellectual or rational decision. It requires a total life-style change and a denying of oneself. It means drop your wills and desires and follow me. Luke 9:23 says it: "If anyone would like to come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it."

Matthew 7:14-15 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many find it. And small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Do you know that Jesus will spit out the lukewarm? He judges the heart. For the pharisees thought they were pleasing to God

Matthew 7:21-23: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’

Rev 3:15-17 “I know your works; you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Think about it

Genesis 1:31

"God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."

So; God made my penis,
God made my hand.
DLD made MOS,
I made my penis bigger
by mine own hand.


And it was very good.

Lol. I can't get hard without a little bit of ����. I've tried doing jelqing and clamping without ����. Lets just say it didn't workout too well.

I can't get hard without MOS, dude, I'm fuckeded!

NeXus;34605 said:

Didnt the priests believe in God, when they were fucking and molesting boys?

Didnt the guy who killed the abortion doctor in FL, claim he was doing "God's work" by killing the evil baby-killing doctor?

Didnt radical religious fundamentalists crash a fuckin plane into the WTC, because we are currently in a Holy War?

Dont tell me that just because people believe in religion, that the world would be a better place. Because if there was no religion there would be NO terrorism.

I believe in God, but I dont believe in the man-made bureaucracy of religion.

I dont want to get into a religion argument, but I just want to say one thing, religion stops rational common-sense thinking. Do you think God really cares about your sex life? Because I guarantee you "he" dosent. Dont claim to know God, because it is impossible.

If you want proof you can't know God, read Genesis. When Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Knowledge. Get it, Knowledge?

The Bible is saying you CAN'T know God. As a good MOS member told me, you cant make God fit into a box.

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this is an old post but your 100% right
im not going to argue with christians because they always seem to have an answer to everything
yet im not gunna hate on them either its their religion and i respect religion
i dont see P.E or masturbation as a sin just like smoking weed.
its natural and not manmade neither is P.E.
if so you wouldnt gain anything in pulling your cocc with force.now i maybe damned in the eyes of your god but
i belive in A god.
and i still belive that the way the world is today that your god left us along time ago... i hope he returns tho.