Why Some Men Don't Gain: A MikeShlort Theory

[MikeShlort]

Hi, I'm MikeShlort, and I have a small penis. But I won't always. Here's why I think some guys just aren't gaining.

It's simple: Masturbating! And edging.
My penis is lazy, and weak. When I masturbate and ejaculate, it shrinks, becomes tight, harder to stretch, doesn't stretch as far, has a smaller flaccid length, it turtles up. Even after I edge, it shrivels up and does not stretch out as far as before I started edging.
I think a lot of men may have a penis like that too. I know tons of guys here have gotten gains from edging and can jerk off whenever they want, but I think some guys just can't! I know I can't. Here's some facts about my troubles.

I've been doing Penis Enlargement every day since September 26, 2011. I've gained hardly any length, and very little girth (.4"). And the reason why, is because I'd train good for two-three weeks, then wack off a bunch of times and my penis would lose all the gains! And it would take me days to recover back to that nice "jelly state" where the gains start coming in.

When I don't jerk off or edge, my balls hang loose, my penis hangs loose and girthy and ready to spring up in an instant. But when I do edge or masturbate to ejaculation, I loose that state for days. It's the coveted "jelly state", where your penis is soft, stretchy, the dorsal ligament is not firm but like jelly, the penis looks engorged a lot of the day, everything is "long, loose and full of juice". King Snake has been trying products to keep him in that "jelly state", from reading his thread. Basically having a big flaccid hang throughout the day. This is what we want. Ask Fedora. That man has gained, and he's the one that used the term "jelly state". Maybe these guys benefit from edging though, but I don't! And maybe you don't.

If I were to take my "jelly state" flaccid penis right now and measure it bone pressed, I would be nearly 8.75". If I jerked off right now and then tried to measure, I'd be lucky to get to 8.5, and I'd really have to pull. My ligs would be tight. My penis would be thin and wiry. I would feel it stop dead when I pulled out as far as I could get it, not as if there is still room to stretch, like how it feels in the jelly state. Same with when I edge. Even if I happen to look at adult entertainment and pump away for 5 min, I just fucked myself and tightened everything and now my workout will be shit. I don't even have to cum to ruin it.

I even have a bit of proof. On April 13th, I measured 8" BPFSL. I made a very diligent effort to not jerk off again, and although I did a few times because my libido got the best of me, I still kept an honest effort not to. Then I measured a week ago and I am at 8.6" BPFSL. I have not ejaculated in 4 weeks, I have edged a few times (which I regret) but I don't think it's quite as bad as cumming. And I am in that jelly state a lot of the time. Especially after I slap on my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. It puts me in that state. And when I do a length workout in that state, I feel longer than ever. And the jelqing is great too.

Basically, for me edging and cumming puts me into over training mode. If I over train now from Penis Enlargement, I can't get a hard on, I'm tight, wiry, can't stretch as far, etc.. But if I get it right and do just the right amout of Penis Enlargement in a day, I'll wake up 4 times a night with a raging hard on that is engorged, feels like it weighs a ton and is still squishy, as if it is saying "I have room to grow". I've heard that this is what you want, night time hard ons encourage growth. This is the gain zone that you want. These are the body clues. Wacking off kills all body clues and puts a lock down on my gain zone.

I know it's not very realistic to never cum again, but I figure fuck it, I don't feel I deserve a woman until my penis is larger anyways, I may as well do this shit right. So I'll walk around incredibly horny each day with swollen balls. Small price to pay for gaining.

So if you're not gaining and can't figure out why, try not edging or masturbating! Stop watching adult entertainment! It desensitizes you anyways. Next time you have an erection, just look at it and give it a thumbs up and say "Not today, pal. I'm saving you for the real thing". If you have a girlfriend, I don't suggest stopping sex. Just deal with slower gains. This is if you're like me. Most guys are lucky to have strong penises, not a one shot musket like mine. And I can still get erections after ejaculating, they just aren't like the first one. I think you need to be a full capacity to gain anything. Keep in mind I practiced Penis Enlargement religiously each day for months and it seems like each time I jerked off, my gains were spat out in the Kleenex along with my load. What a shame.

Hope this helps someone. I know it's helping me.

 

[petersouth]

Well I agree with you but if you're anywhere close to 9" any day of you life and you think you are small I think it's time to seek mental assistance. lol

I was gaining really well until I started jerking off and then I lost 1/4 inch. I've had to forget about jelqing because I always end up wanting to orgasm.

I'm going to take a month off and see what happens, I also notice that I feel better when I have not had an orgasm in 3 days.

My personal record is 3 weeks, I'm going for 4.

 

[MikeShlort]

Well I agree with you but if you're anywhere close to 9" any day of you life and you think you are small I think it's time to seek mental assistance. lol

I was gaining really well until I started jerking off and then I lost 1/4 inch. I've had to forget about jelqing because I always end up wanting to orgasm.

I'm going to take a month off and see what happens, I also notice that I feel better when I have not had an orgasm in 3 days.

My personal record is 3 weeks, I'm going for 4.

8.75" Bone pressed flaccid stretched length. I'm like 6.6" NBPenis EnlargementL if I don't measure with the curve.
Thanks for the response though. Hopefully this will reach someone who has almost given up on Penis Enlargement
BTW longest I went was two months but then I wacked off a bunch and stopped gaining, this was when I was doing girth. Although I did keep the girth I gained in that time, still, I could have had more. Masturbation just kills gaining for me. Kind of annoying, but what can ya do. Maybe I'll be lucky and get a wet dream here and there.

 

[petersouth]

Maybe you just need to lose some weight/fat pad.

I know ejaculation causes T levels to plunge probably at a time when you would need them the most.

Those of us with borderline T levels will probably put us too low to gain possibly.

 

[Dapper Dan]

I used to think like this, then I realized jerking off doesn't make a difference.
Everyones different tho, but I have to say, goin that long without jizzing is not good for you. It can cause prostate issues.

 

[SuperShaft]

After you ejaculate, strap into the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] at the max tension level or as high as you can stand it. I heard DLD say that the penis is more malleable (sp?) after you ejaculate, it helps me and maybe it might help you too.
My fiance gets pissed all the way off after we have sex because as soon as I'm done, I'm strapping up.

 

[MIJO]

so you are telling me or anybody else not to jerk and I will gain faster(cause if is that true i will stop mastrubating)?????

 

[dickerschwanz]

The thing is:
If you jerk off then you loose motivation. Thus you skip exercises. At least thats how it goes with me.
Infact when I jerked off my dick is even more pliable and it feels like its full of nutrients. Tough, after jerking off I have no interest in my dick.

adult entertainment is really bad for us. It changes the neural pathways asigned to having an errection.
In my baddest adult entertainment wanking days way back I couldnt get one up with a real girl cause my brain was used to having sex with many different woman on the screen while having a tight grip.

I think you are spot on with your observations. Tough one shouldnt forget to have many erections a day. Its a fine line lol

Good article.

 

[pUNKY]

Interesting post, I have no idea if masturbating affects gains or not, for me it seems to be fine. My only rule is to make sure my girth work outs are done to a high level before I do. Straight after I cum, I do some fast hard kegals and put a clamp on for 5-10 mins to keep it pumped.

There was a fantastic post I read recently from a member who seemed to be extremely smart in this area, I will try and find it.

 

[kingsnake]

It is true that if you are cumming multiple times a day that your test levels and other erection producing hormones become depleted. Edging on the other hand should not cause any kind of depletion. If anything, edging does the opposite. Edging helps supply your penis with fresh oxgenated hormone inriched blood. Make sure that when you edge, you only use a light grip and only jerk your dick lightly until you reach the point of cumming then stop just before the point of no return . After you stop, take a second and do it again but never cum. Make sure you're not jerking your dick with a tight kongfu grip because that will wear it out for sure. Also make sure you're suppliment with the right supplements to help your Penis Enlargement journey. If you completely lose interest in your dick or sex after only cumming 1 time then you may want to get your test levels checked to make sure you're body isn't low on any important bio chemicals. If you're experiancing toughen flaccid syndrome then definitely start taking evening primrose oil, vitamin e and paba. All three products are pretty cheap and can be found at most supplement stores.

 

[MikeShlort]

so you are telling me or anybody else not to jerk and I will gain faster(cause if is that true i will stop mastrubating)?????

No. I'm saying that is the case for me. Since it is the case for me, I'm inclined to believe that may be the case for other men as well, probably not the majority. It's just a theory I'm suggesting to people who do everything right with Penis Enlargement and still can't seem to gain. Something worth trying out if you are having trouble gaining.

 

[MikeShlort]

It is true that if you are cumming multiple times a day that your test levels and other erection producing hormones become depleted. Edging on the other hand should not cause any kind of depletion. If anything, edging does the opposite. Edging helps supply your penis with fresh oxgenated hormone inriched blood. Make sure that when you edge, you only use a light grip and only jerk your dick lightly until you reach the point of cumming then stop just before the point of no return . After you stop, take a second and do it again but never cum. Make sure you're not jerking your dick with a tight kongfu grip because that will wear it out for sure. Also make sure you're suppliment with the right supplements to help your Penis Enlargement journey. If you completely lose interest in your dick or sex after only cumming 1 time then you may want to get your test levels checked to make sure you're body isn't low on any important bio chemicals. If you're experiancing toughen flaccid syndrome then definitely start taking evening primrose oil, vitamin e and paba. All three products are pretty cheap and can be found at most supplement stores.

Thanks for the advice snake. I had my test levels checked last year, they are normal. I think it could be from years of hard drug use why my penis is kinda weak. I will definitely check into the primrose oil and Paba. I take lots of vitamin E and I notice that it makes my semen production increase. I do tend to jerk off hard and rough, that could be why edging is messing me up. I think I'll still substitute edging with jelqing and squeezes though for now so I can start gaining. Thanks again for your advice dude.

 

[MikeShlort]

Interesting post, I have no idea if masturbating affects gains or not, for me it seems to be fine. My only rule is to make sure my girth work outs are done to a high level before I do. Straight after I cum, I do some fast hard kegals and put a clamp on for 5-10 mins to keep it pumped.

There was a fantastic post I read recently from a member who seemed to be extremely smart in this area, I will try and find it.

Ya please if you find it post the link here. Thanks man

 

[MikeShlort]

The thing is:
If you jerk off then you loose motivation. Thus you skip exercises. At least thats how it goes with me.
Infact when I jerked off my dick is even more pliable and it feels like its full of nutrients. Tough, after jerking off I have no interest in my dick.

adult entertainment is really bad for us. It changes the neural pathways asigned to having an errection.
In my baddest adult entertainment wanking days way back I couldnt get one up with a real girl cause my brain was used to having sex with many different woman on the screen while having a tight grip.

I think you are spot on with your observations. Tough one shouldnt forget to have many erections a day. Its a fine line lol

Good article.

Thanks man. Ya I have put a ban on adult entertainment for me. Something about having to see another penis entering a woman to get a full hard on worries me..

 

[MikeShlort]

After you ejaculate, strap into the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] at the max tension level or as high as you can stand it. I heard DLD say that the penis is more malleable (sp?) after you ejaculate, it helps me and maybe it might help you too.
My fiance gets pissed all the way off after we have sex because as soon as I'm done, I'm strapping up.

Lol, you can still cuddle with that thing strapped on!

 

[pUNKY]

Ya please if you find it post the link here. Thanks man

I'll copy n past it over, from user irspow.... in relation to does masturbation affect gains.

"Masturbation, particularly intense or "rough" (think force being applied to deeper tissues versus "lightly stroking") masturbation, would serve to trigger further vasodilation throughout the penis. I think the "supposed" shrinkage of post-ejaculation is due to the loss of pressure differential because of the sudden drop in nitric oxide after ejaculation causing the "smooth muscle" to contract.

However, this drop in nitric oxide back to "normal" levels does not truly represent vasoconstriction. The effects of the engorgement and the intense masturbation creates a long term (several hours) high elevation of histamine which serves as a vasodilator just like nitric oxide. So the arteries or arterioles are still enlarged for many hours, regardless of the "apparent" size of the penis.

What has happened to make the penis smaller is a lowering of blood volume, not a "shrinkage" of any sort. All one has to do is to take advantage of the larger diameter of the arterioles that are still present when such "shrinkage" occurs. By kegeling, massaging, applying heat, etc. one can get a large amount of blood back into the penis quite easily because of the continued vasodilation.

With the above said, I am with Red on this one in that it is more a matter of the mind for those who think that masturbation has a negative effect on gains over time. Perhaps a simple heated "massage" after masturbating is all that is needed for them to get back their "plump" if they feel that that is necessary. (I personally would say that whatever mitosis was induced by the exercise has already been initiated and will proceed either way, so the "plump" thing afterward is merely something that people "like".)

Tom "

 

[MikeShlort]

I'll copy n past it over, from user irspow.... in relation to does masturbation affect gains.

"Masturbation, particularly intense or "rough" (think force being applied to deeper tissues versus "lightly stroking") masturbation, would serve to trigger further vasodilation throughout the penis. I think the "supposed" shrinkage of post-ejaculation is due to the loss of pressure differential because of the sudden drop in nitric oxide after ejaculation causing the "smooth muscle" to contract.

However, this drop in nitric oxide back to "normal" levels does not truly represent vasoconstriction. The effects of the engorgement and the intense masturbation creates a long term (several hours) high elevation of histamine which serves as a vasodilator just like nitric oxide. So the arteries or arterioles are still enlarged for many hours, regardless of the "apparent" size of the penis.

What has happened to make the penis smaller is a lowering of blood volume, not a "shrinkage" of any sort. All one has to do is to take advantage of the larger diameter of the arterioles that are still present when such "shrinkage" occurs. By kegeling, massaging, applying heat, etc. one can get a large amount of blood back into the penis quite easily because of the continued vasodilation.

With the above said, I am with Red on this one in that it is more a matter of the mind for those who think that masturbation has a negative effect on gains over time. Perhaps a simple heated "massage" after masturbating is all that is needed for them to get back their "plump" if they feel that that is necessary. (I personally would say that whatever mitosis was induced by the exercise has already been initiated and will proceed either way, so the "plump" thing afterward is merely something that people "like".)

Tom "

Hmm, that's really interesting, thanks a lot.

 

[MIJO]

so i can try doing pe only without mastrubating to maybe gain faster i will try this if its true???

 

[tapzs]

having sex same as mastrubation?

so no sex if into Penis Enlargement for fast gain?

pls correct me if im wrong?

 

[tyv]

The thing is:
If you jerk off then you loose motivation. Thus you skip exercises. At least thats how it goes with me.
Infact when I jerked off my dick is even more pliable and it feels like its full of nutrients. Tough, after jerking off I have no interest in my dick.

adult entertainment is really bad for us. It changes the neural pathways asigned to having an errection.
In my baddest adult entertainment wanking days way back I couldnt get one up with a real girl cause my brain was used to having sex with many different woman on the screen while having a tight grip.

I think you are spot on with your observations. Tough one shouldnt forget to have many erections a day. Its a fine line lol

Good article.

I really relate to this, i'm doing the experiment of quitting adult entertainment and no masturbation, and i'm horny all the time, but also very motivated to Penis Enlargement. I also feel at least for the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] that a session after ejaculation is not as productive.

I also remember reading somewhere that no masturbation gave bigger gains, but i also think that everyone as a different reaction, and go by that. The same about rest time, some seem to push it through nicely, others do better with mixed rest days, i'm the latter.

But i'm still new to all this, so things might change for me in a couple of months.

 

[MikeShlort]

having sex same as mastrubation?

so no sex if into Penis Enlargement for fast gain?

pls correct me if im wrong?

No. I don't think a vagina squeezes as hard as a fist. I only think this affects a small % of guys. I recall when I was having sex that my penis never really shriveled up after ejaculating like it does after masturbation. And this theory is only if you Penis Enlargement regularly, do everything right and still have trouble gaining. Just something simple to try to see if it makes a difference for you.

If you're capable of regular sex and are going to sacrifice that for Penis Enlargement, then that kind of defeats the purpose of Penis Enlargement, unless you are as sick in the head as I am and believe you don't deserve sex with a woman until you are 8x6. If that's the case, then good luck to you.

 

[DLD]

having sex same as mastrubation?

so no sex if into Penis Enlargement for fast gain?

pls correct me if im wrong?

Of course not! The whole point of doing Penis Enlargement is to use it!

 

[pUNKY]

No. I don't think a vagina squeezes as hard as a fist. I only think this affects a small % of guys. I recall when I was having sex that my penis never really shriveled up after ejaculating like it does after masturbation. And this theory is only if you Penis Enlargement regularly, do everything right and still have trouble gaining. Just something simple to try to see if it makes a difference for you.

If you're capable of regular sex and are going to sacrifice that for Penis Enlargement, then that kind of defeats the purpose of Penis Enlargement, unless you are as sick in the head as I am and believe you don't deserve sex with a woman until you are 8x6. If that's the case, then good luck to you.

fuck I wish a vagina gripped as firm as a hand....bring on 6" girth!

 

[SuperShaft]

Lol, you can still cuddle with that thing strapped on!

Yes sir! I just lay on my back.

 

[DLD]

fuck I wish a vagina gripped as firm as a hand....bring on 6" girth!

Some grip like a vice!

 

[Iwillbe9]

Of course not! The whole point of doing Penis Enlargement is to use it!

I'm always alot bigger after cuming!
I cum at least 5 times a week. I find it helps with my gains!

Edit
I just can't keep my hands of my new bigger cock

 

[KingCobra]

Good post!

 

[DLD]

Edit
I just can't keep my hands of my new bigger cock

and that is just fine, perfect as a matter of fact. Why the fuck would we make the dick bigger if we were not planning on using it. Refraining from sex or masturbation in leu of making gains is silly, there is no correlation between the two unless it is excessive.

 

[MikeShlort]

and that is just fine, perfect as a matter of fact. Why the fuck would we make the dick bigger if we were not planning on using it. Refraining from sex or masturbation in leu of making gains is silly, there is no correlation between the two unless it is excessive.

I agree with sex but masturbation isn't all that.. drains your life force if you ask me. Can't lift for shit at the gym, feel tired, weak, kills libido, desire to Penis Enlargement, desire to work out, go to work, do anything really. Kinda like smoking pot. Besides, the body will eventually start having nocturnal emissions if you're abstinent.
I find for me there is definitely a correlation and I just love walking around with an engorged dick in my pants and an aggressive, horny demeanor.
I think if you're like me and it takes a good 2-4 days to get back to having a loose, engorged penis after masturbation, then it's probably not worth the 5 seconds of pleasure for all the wasted gains and days feeling outshined. That's just my opinion though.
I would never give up sex for Penis Enlargement if I was in a relationship. I'd find a way to incorporate Penis Enlargement into my sex life, and I would deal with the slower gains, if that was the case. I find that sex leaves the penis feeling rejuvenated anyways, whereas masturbation leaves it feeling drained.
And this is coming from a guy who wacked off like a goddamn pro athlete for over a decade.
Good riddance.

 

[pUNKY]

I wonder if it's type of masturbation that has an effect? (aggressive / non aggressive)

 

[DLD]

I agree with sex but masturbation isn't all that.. drains your life force if you ask me. Can't lift for shit at the gym, feel tired, weak, kills libido, desire to Penis Enlargement, desire to work out, go to work, do anything really. Kinda like smoking pot. Besides, the body will eventually start having nocturnal emissions if you're abstinent.
I find for me there is definitely a correlation and I just love walking around with an engorged dick in my pants and an aggressive, horny demeanor.
I think if you're like me and it takes a good 2-4 days to get back to having a loose, engorged penis after masturbation, then it's probably not worth the 5 seconds of pleasure for all the wasted gains and days feeling outshined. That's just my opinion though.
I would never give up sex for Penis Enlargement if I was in a relationship. I'd find a way to incorporate Penis Enlargement into my sex life, and I would deal with the slower gains, if that was the case. I find that sex leaves the penis feeling rejuvenated anyways, whereas masturbation leaves it feeling drained.
And this is coming from a guy who wacked off like a goddamn pro athlete for over a decade.
Good riddance.

Anything done in excess is going to end in negative consequences. Too much masturbation will rain you and demotivate you. Too much weed will do the same. Too much of anything is bad. I believe in strict discipline in everything I do, particularly pleasures, as I do not want to lose the privilege due to addiction or the like.

I wonder if it's type of masturbation that has an effect? (aggressive / non aggressive)

Aggressive masturbation, in some cases, results in penis size gains as the aggressiveness acts like jelqing in ways.

 

[Iwillbe9]

Agreed with DLD. And just to add it also depends on the individual. Some it won't make a difference others it may hinder. What works for one may not work for another etc. It's one of those things that you don't know unless you do or don't tbh.

 

[DLD]

Agreed with DLD. And just to add it also depends on the individual. Some it won't make a difference others it may hinder. What works for one may not work for another etc. It's one of those things that you don't know unless you do or don't tbh.

I have destroyed many pleasures through overindulgence.

 

[MikeShlort]

I have destroyed many pleasures through overindulgence.

Haha, yep. And once you cross that line, no matter how long you wait, you can't go back.

 

[MikeShlort]

I wonder if it's type of masturbation that has an effect? (aggressive / non aggressive)

It makes no difference for me. Just jerking off once ruins it all for me. I won't work out (if I do, it'll be an extreme struggle to lift what I do normally, and the point is to push beyond that), I won't Penis Enlargement (or if I do, same with the lifting), my shit will shrink, tighten and my next erection will be wimpy compared to prior to jerking off . I really hope regular Penis Enlargement fixes this because I do intend to one day be with a woman and have aggressive sex multiple times daily.

I did pepper my original post with words like "this the case for me" and "this does not affect most men, but it may some" etc. So no need to think I'm trying to tell the Penis Enlargement community to stop jerking off. Just a simple thing to try out if you're doing everything right with Penis Enlargement and seeing no gains. Seems to be working for me, also my mojo is up on average too, an added bonus.

 

[DLD]

Haha, yep. And once you cross that line, no matter how long you wait, you can't go back.

Not always true. We live in a society that really stigmatizes the person through the language they use to describe their state during addictive episodes. I have been told I am an alcoholic because of my past drinking habits but through discipline and strong self structure I drink today without issue. I can allow weed to take the same role if I am not careful with disapline.

 

[MikeShlort]

Not always true. We live in a society that really stigmatizes the person through the language they use to describe their state during addictive episodes. I have been told I am an alcoholic because of my past drinking habits but through discipline and strong self structure I drink today without issue. I can allow weed to take the same role if I am not careful with disapline.

True. But it's much less fun.

 

[DLD]

It is less fun but the problem with the "fun" state is the more fun the state the harder it is to get there and the more we do it to get there the less we respond until fun becomes an obsessive habit. Discipline is as fun as it gets for me on some desires, especially alcohol. A couple of beers or glasses of wine relax me and allow me to enjoy the high it brings. If I go beyond this the entire experience changes and becomes Hell.

 

[keepingitbig]

Highly disagree. I use to wack it off through my Penis Enlargement time period and never did lose any gains. It's all about INTENSITY. Not enough guys don't take the time to pull their hardest, or clamp for an hour +

 

[MikeShlort]

Highly disagree. I use to wack it off through my Penis Enlargement time period and never did lose any gains. It's all about INTENSITY. Not enough guys don't take the time to pull their hardest, or clamp for an hour +

Disagree with what? I said that it may affect a small % of men and that most men are fine.
I pull very, very hard.
And when I was pumping, I was gaining nicely in girth.

 

[DLD]

Highly disagree. I use to wack it off through my Penis Enlargement time period and never did lose any gains. It's all about INTENSITY. Not enough guys don't take the time to pull their hardest, or clamp for an hour +

I think a lot of the time men will lack in gains and start blaming different behaviors as the culprit. Masturbation will not stand in the way of gains nor will it destroy EQ if it is done with discipline. With that said, even if you whacked off 100 times a day it will have nothing to do with gains, as a better of fact you would probably make the fastest length gains ever since your pecker would be so exhausted to hold back. Too much masturbation means a decline in libido and EQ. If you are suffering in these areas cut back on masturbation. Once per day is healthier than not.

 

[MikeShlort]

I think a lot of the time men will lack in gains and start blaming different behaviors as the culprit. Masturbation will not stand in the way of gains nor will it destroy EQ if it is done with discipline. With that said, even if you whacked off 100 times a day it will have nothing to do with gains, as a better of fact you would probably make the fastest length gains ever since your pecker would be so exhausted to hold back. Too much masturbation means a decline in libido and EQ. If you are suffering in these areas cut back on masturbation. Once per day is healthier than not.

I dunno, I Penis Enlargement every day for over one hour a day of manuals, over two hours for the first six months, since September 2011 and it seems that jerking it harms me. I also wear the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] 6-8 hours a day, and when I was pumping, I'd sleep tied off with a bathrobe cord. I don't like it when people are questioning my work ethic in Penis Enlargement and shrugging it off as me not putting in proper effort because that is the furthest thing from the truth.
I'm not blaming masturbation as the sole factor for me not gaining fast, just one piece of the puzzle.
I wake up, do a testicle massage/stretch, jog for 25 min, do a set of manual stretching, throw on the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], I wear the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] at work, and I work a physical job which has me bending down and on my feet all day, whcih is a pain in the ass enough, then I come home after hitting the gym for 1.5 hours and do a second set of manual stretching, throw on [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], then jelq for 15-20 min before bed and do kegels. As I'm writing this I am in [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] with a heating pad after a 20 minute manual stretching session. Even when I was pumping, it seemed I gained most when I hadn't wacked off in a long time. I went two months no wacking off during pumping and I still have around a .4" permanent gain from that time period. So my work ethic at Penis Enlargement can't be called suspect.
The only reason I have not created my own progress thread is because .4" EG, .25" EL, and .75'-1" BPFSL in 10 months isn't really something worth creating a progress thread over. Once I figure out the key to gaining I will create one, in the meantime I'll write small threads with my findings such as this one and the one where I asked the doctor questions. I think it's good to consider as many approaches as possible with Penis Enlargement. That's why I ask many people many questions. And I always get varying answers and theories.

 

[cg1]

I dunno, I Penis Enlargement every day for over one hour a day of manuals, over two hours for the first six months, since September 2011 and it seems that jerking it harms me. I also wear the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] 6-8 hours a day, and when I was pumping, I'd sleep tied off with a bathrobe cord. I don't like it when people are questioning my work ethic in Penis Enlargement and shrugging it off as me not putting in proper effort because that is the furthest thing from the truth.
I'm not blaming masturbation as the sole factor for me not gaining fast, just one piece of the puzzle.
I wake up, do a testicle massage/stretch, jog for 25 min, do a set of manual stretching, throw on the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], I wear the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] at work, and I work a physical job which has me bending down and on my feet all day, whcih is a pain in the ass enough, then I come home after hitting the gym for 1.5 hours and do a second set of manual stretching, throw on [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], then jelq for 15-20 min before bed and do kegels. As I'm writing this I am in [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] with a heating pad after a 20 minute manual stretching session. Even when I was pumping, it seemed I gained most when I hadn't wacked off in a long time. I went two months no wacking off during pumping and I still have around a .4" permanent gain from that time period. So my work ethic at Penis Enlargement can't be called suspect.
The only reason I have not created my own progress thread is because .4" EG, .25" EL, and .75'-1" BPFSL in 10 months isn't really something worth creating a progress thread over. Once I figure out the key to gaining I will create one, in the meantime I'll write small threads with my findings such as this one and the one where I asked the doctor questions. I think it's good to consider as many approaches as possible with Penis Enlargement. That's why I ask many people many questions. And I always get varying answers and theories.

Wow, I am really shocked. I cannot believe you do that routine. I would never be able to put myself through that kind of torture every single day. Given that you have only gained 0.25" in EL since September 2011, you must change your routine because it is obviously not working for you. 0.25" in EL in 10 months is absolutely not normal. You are wasting your time working your butt off, and have nothing to show for it.

First of all, your concerns about masturbation affecting length ... pure bullshit. Masturbation will affect your EQ, just like DLD said, making you appear to be smaller than you actually are. The only variable that you can always rely on, that indicates you are truly making progress, is your BPFSL. Poor erection, good erection, it doesn't matter - BPFSL can only shrink if you are slacking off, and not doing your routine correctly. The longer your BPFSL becomes, the more progress you are making, because BPFSL gains always lead to EL gains over time.

Your routine, in my opinion, is bat shit fucking insane. If you want to gain, you need to focus on one target tissue at a time, starting with the ligs. Manual exercises might not get you very far, if your collagenous tissues are very tough to begin with. They may require a lot more stress than your hands can provide, which would explain why you gained so little in a period of 10 months. You are obviously not deforming your collagenous tissues in a dedicated fashion; instead, you are trying to deform everything at once: skin, ligs, outer tunica, septum, etc. It is going to take you forever to do it that way, especially if you are a tough gainer.

If you are serious about making length gains, then you need to do it in a structured way. You should learn about penile anatomy, etc, in order to understand exactly how to proceed, and make the quickest gains possible. Based on my experience, pulling on my dick and wearing an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] gave me a 1/2 inch gain in the first six months (easy newbie gains), and the last 5 months I didn't gain fuck all, so trust me, I feel your pain. Since then, I gained 2" in EL after I purchased a Bib Hanger. You should look into hanging. Work up to a couple of hours of hanging each morning, and go about your day. Manual stretching, [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words], [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], etc, keep them in the closet - where they belong. It is less time consuming as well, compared to what you're doing, and definitely more effective ... without a doubt.

Good luck.

 

[MikeShlort]

Wow, I am really shocked. I cannot believe you do that routine. I would never be able to put myself through that kind of torture every single day. Given that you have only gained 0.25" in EL since September 2011, you must change your routine because it is obviously not working for you. 0.25" in EL in 10 months is absolutely not normal. You are wasting your time working your butt off, and have nothing to show for it.

First of all, your concerns about masturbation affecting length ... pure bullshit. Masturbation will affect your EQ, just like DLD said, making you appear to be smaller than you actually are. The only variable that you can always rely on, that indicates you are truly making progress, is your BPFSL. Poor erection, good erection, it doesn't matter - BPFSL can only shrink if you are slacking off, and not doing your routine correctly. The longer your BPFSL becomes, the more progress you are making, because BPFSL gains always lead to EL gains over time.

Your routine, in my opinion, is bat shit fucking insane. If you want to gain, you need to focus on one target tissue at a time, starting with the ligs. Manual exercises might not get you very far, if your collagenous tissues are very tough to begin with. They may require a lot more stress than your hands can provide, which would explain why you gained so little in a period of 10 months. You are obviously not deforming your collagenous tissues in a dedicated fashion; instead, you are trying to deform everything at once: skin, ligs, outer tunica, septum, etc. It is going to take you forever to do it that way, especially if you are a tough gainer.

If you are serious about making length gains, then you need to do it in a structured way. You should learn about penile anatomy, etc, in order to understand exactly how to proceed, and make the quickest gains possible. Based on my experience, pulling on my dick and wearing an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] gave me a 1/2 inch gain in the first six months (easy newbie gains), and the last 5 months I didn't gain fuck all, so trust me, I feel your pain. Since then, I gained 2" in EL after I purchased a Bib Hanger. You should look into hanging. Work up to a couple of hours of hanging each morning, and go about your day. Manual stretching, [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words], [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], etc, keep them in the closet - where they belong. It is less time consuming as well, compared to what you're doing, and definitely more effective ... without a doubt.

Good luck.

Well I haven't been doing that routine the whole 10 months. I took off about 3 months and focused on pumping and girth, no length work. Then 5 weeks just gradual [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] use. I've worked up to this routine. I'm in the second month of this routine. The first 3.5 months of Penis Enlargement I went crazy - 1 hour manual stretch, 1 hour girth each day. Drained me, gained very little. I gained girth when I started using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] but stopped to focus on length. Since April 13th, I have gained at least .6" of BPFSL, using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] + manuals routine.
My plan is to stick with this current routine for another month and if I have not gained any BPFSL I will switch it up, but I believe I can still gain BPFSL. I will hang one day, but I don't want to start too soon and toughen up my ligs.

Maybe you could suggest different exercises which target different portions of the penis? There seems to be tons of misinformation everywhere on Penis Enlargement.

I am not too worried about girth because it seems I am capable of gaining this much easier, I am confident that with a regular, intense pumping routine I can gain another inch of girth at least. My goal is only to gain about 1.15-1.25" of girth anyways. It's the length I am after. Ideally, I want another 1.5" of length AT LEAST. With the masturbation thing, when I jerk off or even edge, my BPFSL is .25" shorter for awhile, so I avoid it. I'm not too worried about this though, I have gotten past the inital month of abstinence and it's no longer difficult.

Any exercises that you could suggest to me would be greatly appreciated. You mention different parts of the penis, so if you could suggest any exercises, or even the theories of stretching these different parts, that would be great.

Thanks a lot for your post and all your help !

 

[cg1]

Well I haven't been doing that routine the whole 10 months. I took off about 3 months and focused on pumping and girth, no length work. Then 5 weeks just gradual [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] use. I've worked up to this routine. I'm in the second month of this routine. The first 3.5 months of Penis Enlargement I went crazy - 1 hour manual stretch, 1 hour girth each day. Drained me, gained very little. I gained girth when I started using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] but stopped to focus on length. Since April 13th, I have gained at least .6" of BPFSL, using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] + manuals routine.
My plan is to stick with this current routine for another month and if I have not gained any BPFSL I will switch it up, but I believe I can still gain BPFSL. I will hang one day, but I don't want to start too soon and toughen up my ligs.

Maybe you could suggest different exercises which target different portions of the penis? There seems to be tons of misinformation everywhere on Penis Enlargement.

I am not too worried about girth because it seems I am capable of gaining this much easier, I am confident that with a regular, intense pumping routine I can gain another inch of girth at least. My goal is only to gain about 1.15-1.25" of girth anyways. It's the length I am after. Ideally, I want another 1.5" of length AT LEAST. With the masturbation thing, when I jerk off or even edge, my BPFSL is .25" shorter for awhile, so I avoid it. I'm not too worried about this though, I have gotten past the inital month of abstinence and it's no longer difficult.

Any exercises that you could suggest to me would be greatly appreciated. You mention different parts of the penis, so if you could suggest any exercises, or even the theories of stretching these different parts, that would be great.

Thanks a lot for your post and all your help !

Hey again!

I just want to let you know that hanging weights will not toughen your ligs, it will weaken them, and over time, they will lengthen, and turn inner penis into outer penis. That is the whole point in stretching the ligs. Now, as far as manual exercises, I stopped doing that shit a long time ago for two reasons: one, it was tiresome, and two, I barely saw any results. Forget about manual exercises. Let's use the "basic stretching routine" as an example, to prove a point. Each stretch lasts about 10 seconds. So if you stretch 30 times, that is 300 seconds total, which is a total of 5 minutes of stretching time. Just ONE set of hanging is twenty minutes long, and the total stretch time is THE FULL twenty minutes. This isn't "my opinion". It's basic math. That means that ONE set of hanging is FOUR times more effective than pulling on your penis for an hour, and it only takes a third of the time.

The only "exercise" you need is to hang BTC (between the cheeks), and swing the weight from side to side. That stresses EVERYTHING that needs to be stressed in order to make gains. Therefore you don't need to know anything about manual exercises if you can just learn to hang correctly. I promise you, this is something you want to look into. In my opinion, based on everything I've done in Penis Enlargement over the years, hanging is the BEST method of enlarging your penis. Please look into it.

 

[cg1]

Well I haven't been doing that routine the whole 10 months. I took off about 3 months and focused on pumping and girth, no length work. Then 5 weeks just gradual [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] use. I've worked up to this routine. I'm in the second month of this routine. The first 3.5 months of Penis Enlargement I went crazy - 1 hour manual stretch, 1 hour girth each day. Drained me, gained very little. I gained girth when I started using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] but stopped to focus on length. Since April 13th, I have gained at least .6" of BPFSL, using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] + manuals routine.
My plan is to stick with this current routine for another month and if I have not gained any BPFSL I will switch it up, but I believe I can still gain BPFSL. I will hang one day, but I don't want to start too soon and toughen up my ligs.

Maybe you could suggest different exercises which target different portions of the penis? There seems to be tons of misinformation everywhere on Penis Enlargement.

I am not too worried about girth because it seems I am capable of gaining this much easier, I am confident that with a regular, intense pumping routine I can gain another inch of girth at least. My goal is only to gain about 1.15-1.25" of girth anyways. It's the length I am after. Ideally, I want another 1.5" of length AT LEAST. With the masturbation thing, when I jerk off or even edge, my BPFSL is .25" shorter for awhile, so I avoid it. I'm not too worried about this though, I have gotten past the inital month of abstinence and it's no longer difficult.

Any exercises that you could suggest to me would be greatly appreciated. You mention different parts of the penis, so if you could suggest any exercises, or even the theories of stretching these different parts, that would be great.

Thanks a lot for your post and all your help !

Hey again!

I just want to let you know that hanging weights will not toughen your ligs, it will weaken them, and over time, they will lengthen, and turn inner penis into outer penis. That is the whole point in stretching the ligs. Now, as far as manual exercises, I stopped doing that shit a long time ago for two reasons: one, it was tiresome, and two, I barely saw any results. Forget about manual exercises. Let's use the "basic stretching routine" as an example, to prove a point. Each stretch lasts about 10 seconds. So if you stretch 30 times, that is 300 seconds total, which is a total of 5 minutes of stretching time. Just ONE set of hanging is twenty minutes long, and the total stretch time is THE FULL twenty minutes. This isn't "my opinion". It's basic math. That means that ONE set of hanging is FOUR times more effective than pulling on your penis for an hour, and it only takes a third of the time.

The only "exercise" you need is to hang BTC (between the cheeks), and swing the weight from side to side. That stresses EVERYTHING that needs to be stressed in order to make gains. Therefore you don't need to know anything about manual exercises if you can just learn to hang correctly. I promise you, this is something you want to look into. In my opinion, based on everything I've done in Penis Enlargement over the years, hanging is the BEST method of enlarging your penis. Please look into it.

 

[DLD]

The only "exercise" you need is to hang BTC (between the cheeks), and swing the weight from side to side. That stresses EVERYTHING that needs to be stressed in order to make gains. Therefore you don't need to know anything about manual exercises if you can just learn to hang correctly. I promise you, this is something you want to look into. In my opinion, based on everything I've done in Penis Enlargement over the years, hanging is the BEST method of enlarging your penis. Please look into it.

BTC will hit everything, even tunica as the position of the stretch becomes straight up once it reaches the back. WHile it is being stretched upward the ligaments are being hammered big time. All around one of the best stretch positions.

 

[MikeShlort]

Hey again!

I just want to let you know that hanging weights will not toughen your ligs, it will weaken them, and over time, they will lengthen, and turn inner penis into outer penis. That is the whole point in stretching the ligs. Now, as far as manual exercises, I stopped doing that shit a long time ago for two reasons: one, it was tiresome, and two, I barely saw any results. Forget about manual exercises. Let's use the "basic stretching routine" as an example, to prove a point. Each stretch lasts about 10 seconds. So if you stretch 30 times, that is 300 seconds total, which is a total of 5 minutes of stretching time. Just ONE set of hanging is twenty minutes long, and the total stretch time is THE FULL twenty minutes. This isn't "my opinion". It's basic math. That means that ONE set of hanging is FOUR times more effective than pulling on your penis for an hour, and it only takes a third of the time.

The only "exercise" you need is to hang BTC (between the cheeks), and swing the weight from side to side. That stresses EVERYTHING that needs to be stressed in order to make gains. Therefore you don't need to know anything about manual exercises if you can just learn to hang correctly. I promise you, this is something you want to look into. In my opinion, based on everything I've done in Penis Enlargement over the years, hanging is the BEST method of enlarging your penis. Please look into it.

RIght on, thanks a lot.
So I guess to hang BTC I'd need to make a bar for the rope to go over so the weight is pulling up on my penis right?

 

[MikeShlort]

BTC will hit everything, even tunica as the position of the stretch becomes straight up once it reaches the back. WHile it is being stretched upward the ligaments are being hammered big time. All around one of the best stretch positions.

Am I supposed to pull straight up in all directions when stretching BTC?

 

[DLD]

Am I supposed to pull straight up in all directions when stretching BTC?

Left, right and center for best results.