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Hi Bib,
i have some new questions about the exit point.Please look at the drawings.
Question 1:What is a high exit point in this 2 drawings?
a)Does every penis , no matter if you have a high or low exit point, exits the body just directly under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing)?
Or in other words, the lig(s) hold(s) the penis just under the arch and the other end of the lig(s) is connected to the pubic symphysis.
b)Or do you mean with high exit point that, the higher the ligs are conected to the pubic symphysis, the higher your exit point is? This would also mean, that every penis exits the body just under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing).
If this is the case, im asking me how long the pubic symphysis is! I wanted to know the lenght of my pubic symphysis, so i started to measure it.
I started measuring from the top of the arch!
So the top of the arch is your startpoint. Now, the problem is to localize the other point to measure the distance.
I did it the following way. I stood normal, my back was straight, and pressed the fingers of both of my hands at the top of the arch. Then i went with all fingers up (palpating the bone)to the direction of my stomach. My fingers went up and were on the bone all the time. Then i palpated a curve, which means that the bone curved inside my body.
I interpretated this curve not as the front side of my pubic bone anymore.
I hope this interpretation was right. I did so, because i couldnt think of the possibility,that the ligs are connected to the curve, may be they are connected to the beginning of the curve, which i define as the end of the pubic front face.
I hope you got me here.
I hope you got my ideas on how to measure the lenght of your pubic symphysis. Mine was 2 cm long.
When my way of measurement is right the average lenght of the pubic symphysis is 1,8-2,5 cm ( i assume this).
This would mean, that the differences between a high,low and normal exit point would be just some millimeters. A low exit point sits under the arch, a high exit points sits on top of the pubic symphysis and medium exit point sits in the middle, 1 cm above the arch and one cm below the end of the pubic symphysis.
Question 2: What does lowering your exit point mean, when looking on the drawings?
When point a) in question 1 is true, a lower exit point would mean, that your penis will lower only in the urogenital triangle after some lig work by hanging or stretching. In other words, it will lower from the top of the arch(can also be described as the upper single point in the triangle, the 2 lower points are building the border line to the anal triangle) to the dotted line where the end of the urogenital triangle is and the anal triangle begins. This would mean i have reached the lowest possible exit point
When point b) is true , i do not know how to explain the lowering of penis. May be its the same like above, the only difference is, that you have 2 additional cm more (hope this is the right lenght for the pubic symphysis) to lower your penis. Or it can also be interpretated as the bonus gaining, guys with LOTS from 10-12 have compared to guys who just exit under the arch and have a LOT from 8.30 -10 (this would mean that point a is true = high exit point means the penis exits under the arch or is connected by ligs just under the arch).
Some single questions:
Does the border line between the urogenital triangle and the anal triangle can be interpretated as the end of the pubic bone, the one you are talking in your manuel palpation test?
When doing the full nudity test, do you have to press your legs together?
Im asking this, because i saw some picture here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (it was the guy in the s-curve thread) and at thunders, where all guys were doing so.
Is it necessary because you can see the groinal grooves better this way?
I hope my posting is not too confusing.
i have some new questions about the exit point.Please look at the drawings.
Question 1:What is a high exit point in this 2 drawings?
a)Does every penis , no matter if you have a high or low exit point, exits the body just directly under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing)?
Or in other words, the lig(s) hold(s) the penis just under the arch and the other end of the lig(s) is connected to the pubic symphysis.
b)Or do you mean with high exit point that, the higher the ligs are conected to the pubic symphysis, the higher your exit point is? This would also mean, that every penis exits the body just under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing).
If this is the case, im asking me how long the pubic symphysis is! I wanted to know the lenght of my pubic symphysis, so i started to measure it.
I started measuring from the top of the arch!
So the top of the arch is your startpoint. Now, the problem is to localize the other point to measure the distance.
I did it the following way. I stood normal, my back was straight, and pressed the fingers of both of my hands at the top of the arch. Then i went with all fingers up (palpating the bone)to the direction of my stomach. My fingers went up and were on the bone all the time. Then i palpated a curve, which means that the bone curved inside my body.
I interpretated this curve not as the front side of my pubic bone anymore.
I hope this interpretation was right. I did so, because i couldnt think of the possibility,that the ligs are connected to the curve, may be they are connected to the beginning of the curve, which i define as the end of the pubic front face.
I hope you got me here.
I hope you got my ideas on how to measure the lenght of your pubic symphysis. Mine was 2 cm long.
When my way of measurement is right the average lenght of the pubic symphysis is 1,8-2,5 cm ( i assume this).
This would mean, that the differences between a high,low and normal exit point would be just some millimeters. A low exit point sits under the arch, a high exit points sits on top of the pubic symphysis and medium exit point sits in the middle, 1 cm above the arch and one cm below the end of the pubic symphysis.
Question 2: What does lowering your exit point mean, when looking on the drawings?
When point a) in question 1 is true, a lower exit point would mean, that your penis will lower only in the urogenital triangle after some lig work by hanging or stretching. In other words, it will lower from the top of the arch(can also be described as the upper single point in the triangle, the 2 lower points are building the border line to the anal triangle) to the dotted line where the end of the urogenital triangle is and the anal triangle begins. This would mean i have reached the lowest possible exit point
When point b) is true , i do not know how to explain the lowering of penis. May be its the same like above, the only difference is, that you have 2 additional cm more (hope this is the right lenght for the pubic symphysis) to lower your penis. Or it can also be interpretated as the bonus gaining, guys with LOTS from 10-12 have compared to guys who just exit under the arch and have a LOT from 8.30 -10 (this would mean that point a is true = high exit point means the penis exits under the arch or is connected by ligs just under the arch).
Some single questions:
Does the border line between the urogenital triangle and the anal triangle can be interpretated as the end of the pubic bone, the one you are talking in your manuel palpation test?
When doing the full nudity test, do you have to press your legs together?
Im asking this, because i saw some picture here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (it was the guy in the s-curve thread) and at thunders, where all guys were doing so.
Is it necessary because you can see the groinal grooves better this way?
I hope my posting is not too confusing.
dex,
>I hope my posting is not too confusing.<
No, but your drawings are. Both of these drawings are from the angle of between the guys legs, looking up. They are irrelevant concerning any of the questions you asked.
>Question 1:What is a high exit point in this 2 drawings?<
Cannot tell anything from the drawings.
>a)Does every penis , no matter if you have a high or low exit point, exits the body just directly under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing)?<
No. Each penis travels under the pubic bone. Then, some may exit the skin immediately, a low LOT. The rest travel up the front face of the pubic bone a certain distance, before exiting the skin.
>Or in other words, the lig(s) hold(s) the penis just under the arch and the other end of the lig(s) is connected to the pubic symphysis.<
The ligs do NOT hold the penis just under the arch. Well, there are some ligs which do this, but they are not relevant. The ligs which hold the shaft on the front face of the pubic bone are the suspensory ligs.
>b)Or do you mean with high exit point that, the higher the ligs are conected to the pubic symphysis, the higher your exit point is?<
Yes, and the degree of tightness of those susp ligs. I still have a high attachment point, but much longer ligs now.
>This would also mean, that every penis exits the body just under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing).<
The drawing is not relevant. The triangles you refer to are not relevant. The shaft travels just under the pubic bone. The triangles are further back.
>If this is the case, im asking me how long the pubic symphysis is! I wanted to know the lenght of my pubic symphysis, so i started to measure it.
I started measuring from the top of the arch!
So the top of the arch is your startpoint. Now, the problem is to localize the other point to measure the distance.
I did it the following way. I stood normal, my back was straight, and pressed the fingers of both of my hands at the top of the arch. Then i went with all fingers up (palpating the bone)to the direction of my stomach. My fingers went up and were on the bone all the time. Then i palpated a curve, which means that the bone curved inside my body.<
I believe the average front face of the PB is 37 mm. However, the collagenous tissues may attach the shaft even higher than the pubic bone, into the collagenous webbing of the abdomen.
Yes, the bone curves.
>I interpretated this curve not as the front side of my pubic bone anymore.<
I consider it all, curve included, to be the front face of the pubic bone.
>I hope this interpretation was right. I did so, because i couldnt think of the possibility,that the ligs are connected to the curve, may be they are connected to the beginning of the curve, which i define as the end of the pubic front face.<
As I said above, the ligs can be connected all the way to the abdomen.
>I hope you got my ideas on how to measure the lenght of your pubic symphysis. Mine was 2 cm long.
When my way of measurement is right the average lenght of the pubic symphysis is 1,8-2,5 cm ( i assume this).
This would mean, that the differences between a high,low and normal exit point would be just some millimeters. A low exit point sits under the arch, a high exit points sits on top of the pubic symphysis and medium exit point sits in the middle, 1 cm above the arch and one cm below the end of the pubic symphysis.<
No, you do not have the right ideas.
>Question 2: What does lowering your exit point mean, when looking on the drawings?<
Nothing. You would need drawings from the side or frontal aspects.
>When point a) in question 1 is true, a lower exit point would mean, that your penis will lower only in the urogenital triangle after some lig work by hanging or stretching.
In other words, it will lower from the top of the arch(can also be described as the upper single point in the triangle, the 2 lower points are building the border line to the anal triangle) to the dotted line where the end of the urogenital triangle is and the anal triangle begins. This would mean i have reached the lowest possible exit point<
No. You are completely wrong. If you lower the exit point from the aspect of the urogenital triangle, your shaft would fall out of your ass. Wrong angle in the drawings.
>Does the border line between the urogenital triangle and the anal triangle can be interpretated as the end of the pubic bone, the one you are talking in your manuel palpation test?<
No. Nothing to do with nothing. You are looking up between the drawings legs.
>When doing the full nudity test, do you have to press your legs together?
Im asking this, because i saw some picture here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (it was the guy in the s-curve thread) and at thunders, where all guys were doing so.
Is it necessary because you can see the groinal grooves better this way?<
I do not think it makes much difference.
Bigger
>I hope my posting is not too confusing.<
No, but your drawings are. Both of these drawings are from the angle of between the guys legs, looking up. They are irrelevant concerning any of the questions you asked.
>Question 1:What is a high exit point in this 2 drawings?<
Cannot tell anything from the drawings.
>a)Does every penis , no matter if you have a high or low exit point, exits the body just directly under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing)?<
No. Each penis travels under the pubic bone. Then, some may exit the skin immediately, a low LOT. The rest travel up the front face of the pubic bone a certain distance, before exiting the skin.
>Or in other words, the lig(s) hold(s) the penis just under the arch and the other end of the lig(s) is connected to the pubic symphysis.<
The ligs do NOT hold the penis just under the arch. Well, there are some ligs which do this, but they are not relevant. The ligs which hold the shaft on the front face of the pubic bone are the suspensory ligs.
>b)Or do you mean with high exit point that, the higher the ligs are conected to the pubic symphysis, the higher your exit point is?<
Yes, and the degree of tightness of those susp ligs. I still have a high attachment point, but much longer ligs now.
>This would also mean, that every penis exits the body just under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing).<
The drawing is not relevant. The triangles you refer to are not relevant. The shaft travels just under the pubic bone. The triangles are further back.
>If this is the case, im asking me how long the pubic symphysis is! I wanted to know the lenght of my pubic symphysis, so i started to measure it.
I started measuring from the top of the arch!
So the top of the arch is your startpoint. Now, the problem is to localize the other point to measure the distance.
I did it the following way. I stood normal, my back was straight, and pressed the fingers of both of my hands at the top of the arch. Then i went with all fingers up (palpating the bone)to the direction of my stomach. My fingers went up and were on the bone all the time. Then i palpated a curve, which means that the bone curved inside my body.<
I believe the average front face of the PB is 37 mm. However, the collagenous tissues may attach the shaft even higher than the pubic bone, into the collagenous webbing of the abdomen.
Yes, the bone curves.
>I interpretated this curve not as the front side of my pubic bone anymore.<
I consider it all, curve included, to be the front face of the pubic bone.
>I hope this interpretation was right. I did so, because i couldnt think of the possibility,that the ligs are connected to the curve, may be they are connected to the beginning of the curve, which i define as the end of the pubic front face.<
As I said above, the ligs can be connected all the way to the abdomen.
>I hope you got my ideas on how to measure the lenght of your pubic symphysis. Mine was 2 cm long.
When my way of measurement is right the average lenght of the pubic symphysis is 1,8-2,5 cm ( i assume this).
This would mean, that the differences between a high,low and normal exit point would be just some millimeters. A low exit point sits under the arch, a high exit points sits on top of the pubic symphysis and medium exit point sits in the middle, 1 cm above the arch and one cm below the end of the pubic symphysis.<
No, you do not have the right ideas.
>Question 2: What does lowering your exit point mean, when looking on the drawings?<
Nothing. You would need drawings from the side or frontal aspects.
>When point a) in question 1 is true, a lower exit point would mean, that your penis will lower only in the urogenital triangle after some lig work by hanging or stretching.
In other words, it will lower from the top of the arch(can also be described as the upper single point in the triangle, the 2 lower points are building the border line to the anal triangle) to the dotted line where the end of the urogenital triangle is and the anal triangle begins. This would mean i have reached the lowest possible exit point<
No. You are completely wrong. If you lower the exit point from the aspect of the urogenital triangle, your shaft would fall out of your ass. Wrong angle in the drawings.
>Does the border line between the urogenital triangle and the anal triangle can be interpretated as the end of the pubic bone, the one you are talking in your manuel palpation test?<
No. Nothing to do with nothing. You are looking up between the drawings legs.
>When doing the full nudity test, do you have to press your legs together?
Im asking this, because i saw some picture here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (it was the guy in the s-curve thread) and at thunders, where all guys were doing so.
Is it necessary because you can see the groinal grooves better this way?<
I do not think it makes much difference.
Bigger
Can you tell me the difference between the pubic symphysis and the pubic bone? Did you used it as the same meaning?
How long is the front face of the pubic bone?
Is your exit point at the junction of the 2 legs?
I read that every penis exits right under the pubic symphysis,so the penis comes out under the arch and is attached to the pubic symphysis(sits under it). The ligs hold the shaft to the front face of the pubic symphysis. The ligs are connected to different high points on the front face. Some go even into the abdomen. Is this right?
If this is right, does it mean you have a high exit point when your ligs are attached high on the front face of the pubic symphysis, which by the way is only 3 cm long?
If this is also right, what has the pubic bone to do with a high or low exit point?
Is bottom of the pubic symphysis the same like the bottom of the pubic bone?
When you are lowering your penis through lig work, your exit point will go down. Does this mean that your shaft sits not under the pubic symphysis anymore?
Now i have some questions about penis enlargement.
It is common to gain 1 inch in erect after surgery. You can read it in the internet when doing a google search. Why can you gain more than that by hanging?
Please take a look at this site:
http://www.penis-enlargement.com/penis_gallery2.html
The way i understood it is, that these guys where doing laser surgery "that releases the suspensory ligaments that attach the penis to the under surface of the pubic bone."
I do not know why they are calling it under surface, but ok.
I guess hanging is based on the same concept, the difference is, that hanging only stretches the ligs.
But my question is, after surgery the guys exit points should have droped, but i can not see it on the pictures.
How long is the front face of the pubic bone?
Is your exit point at the junction of the 2 legs?
I read that every penis exits right under the pubic symphysis,so the penis comes out under the arch and is attached to the pubic symphysis(sits under it). The ligs hold the shaft to the front face of the pubic symphysis. The ligs are connected to different high points on the front face. Some go even into the abdomen. Is this right?
If this is right, does it mean you have a high exit point when your ligs are attached high on the front face of the pubic symphysis, which by the way is only 3 cm long?
If this is also right, what has the pubic bone to do with a high or low exit point?
Is bottom of the pubic symphysis the same like the bottom of the pubic bone?
When you are lowering your penis through lig work, your exit point will go down. Does this mean that your shaft sits not under the pubic symphysis anymore?
Now i have some questions about penis enlargement.
It is common to gain 1 inch in erect after surgery. You can read it in the internet when doing a google search. Why can you gain more than that by hanging?
Please take a look at this site:
http://www.penis-enlargement.com/penis_gallery2.html
The way i understood it is, that these guys where doing laser surgery "that releases the suspensory ligaments that attach the penis to the under surface of the pubic bone."
I do not know why they are calling it under surface, but ok.
I guess hanging is based on the same concept, the difference is, that hanging only stretches the ligs.
But my question is, after surgery the guys exit points should have droped, but i can not see it on the pictures.
REDZULU2003
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The Godfather of hanging, BIB! His story.
stillwantmore
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BIB never proved any gains. He's a great word smith, though.
So first you create a thread to credit him, use his info and hanger to gain, rip off his hanger and then work to discredit him and any other competition sans DLD
stillwantmore
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Exactly. Modifying an existing design is not "ripping off" anything. It's done very frequently in other industries. Some prefer the BIB, some prefer mine. That's fine with me.
To say someone has never proven himself is not discredit, if it's the truth. It's stating the truth.
Many people follow the lead of unproven leaders in many walks of life and that's their prerogative.
Not to split hairs here, but ah heck. I can make an arms length observation and compare the LG hanger to the old Max Vac and say the LG is a ripoff if I want, can't I? They look an awful lot alike. They are supposedly different though.
To say someone has never proven himself is not discredit, if it's the truth. It's stating the truth.
Many people follow the lead of unproven leaders in many walks of life and that's their prerogative.
Not to split hairs here, but ah heck. I can make an arms length observation and compare the LG hanger to the old Max Vac and say the LG is a ripoff if I want, can't I? They look an awful lot alike. They are supposedly different though.
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stillwantmore
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well hung;729861 said:
Hard to say honestly. On the one hand, the guy does sound like he knows about a lot of stuff and he did help me with my knowledge base back in the day. However, he never proved any gains. My logic says, if I'm selling something that I claim works, I should be able to and willing to (especially as my own best client....or one of them anyway) prove, my claims. I would not expect to sell a piece of workout equipment swearing it's the next great innovation on the market, yet never show any results of my own.
LONGERDICK7+
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stillwantmore2;729866 said:
well thats something to take into account.true
REDZULU2003
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He certainly knew his craft, credit where its due. Whatever his gains, proven or not, he to me, is one of the experts in hanging, and most experienced hangers today learned either via, or through his work.
So, this thread gives insight into his history I suppose, for anyone interested.
Take what you like from it ... I really liked the technical way of his thinking.
So, this thread gives insight into his history I suppose, for anyone interested.
Take what you like from it ... I really liked the technical way of his thinking.