Why no advanced techniques from the start?

Sorry for being the newbie bombing you with questions, but here is another one.

I read here and all over the net: don't start with Uli's, squeezes or anything like that until after months and months of jelqing.

My simple wondering are: why?

Isn't it all about the pressure and intension? Is there really any good argument for not starting with SSJ for example after a month, as long as you keep the pressure pretty light and only doing it for maybe 5-10 min?

As an athlete, i always had the experience that the best variation of training, gets the best result. But i don't start with too much weight. But that doesn't mean i can start with the actual exercise.

Am I wrong?

Happy weekend to all of you

I'd suggest starting with everything manual except for Chemical Penis Enlargement. For Chemical Penis Enlargement I'd say that you should have already been doing a dedicated, consistant, manual Penis Enlargement program for at least 3 months and preferably more towards 6 months.

my opinion i think starting off basic is good because u keep shoking your penis into new excercises and i think when you shock it you have better chance of gaining,,,if you start doin everything,,,,its not really shoking it it comes used to it,,i mite be wrong though.,,,,im an athlete too what do you compete in

sawyer said:

my opinion i think starting off basic is good because u keep shoking your penis into new excercises and i think when you shock it you have better chance of gaining,,,if you start doin everything,,,,its not really shoking it it comes used to it,,i mite be wrong though.,,,,im an athlete too what do you compete in

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I agree that starting with something like DLD's newbie routine for at least a week - maybe two ... is a reasonable warm up. But, beyond that time frame, I think it is ridiculous to restrict yourself from the plethora of other techniques.

Also you don't want to get an exercise that you can't really handle properly and hurt yourself. That seems to be the biggest thing there. If you've been jelqing for awhile you understand it better and so the more advanced exercises will be more controlled and you'll kinda know what to expect.

The biggest problem with newbs is the fact that you see all of these wonderful "advanced" techniques and think that it will mean that much more progress. The reason behind majority of the injuries seen here at MOS are from guys performing exercises that they are not sure how they are supposed to FEEL. The newbie routine is a great base to work from as it will yield quick gains initially but it also aids in understanding good and bad feelings associated with Penis Enlargement. On a similar note Penis Enlargement in and of itself is a progression. You don't start into a regimen of any kind at the most difficult and challenging level, you gradually will build up to it as you become more proficient and you physically adapt to the stress.

Trust me when I tell you that the newbie routine is a great place to start from and move forward with for 4-6 weeks. I've been around for almost 4 years at this point and I've gone BACK to the newbie routine for my restart and I'm seeing fantastic results already and I'm in week one back from a two plus month deconditioning break. Sometimes it's best to start slow and move forward. You have to be able to move forward and continue to progress, and 4-6 weeks is not that long of a time period in the total time you'll spend in Penis Enlargement. Again, when I started I thought I'd jump ahead to phase two and I learned that you've got plenty of time to move forward but you want to do so with the understanding that this is a committment of time and it's not going to be a short trip.

Hmm i see. Problem is me being so impatient. And also i think jelqing is boring as shit. I can do 200. Then i wanna do squeezes, Uli's or whatever. Maybe i'm way off the Penis Enlargement road though. I signed up to another site from the start, that only included jelqs for girth, and nothing else. So basically i'm kinda confused. I know i will not be able to keep myself fom doing other techniques since they bring so much more out of the girth. After only jelqing, i can't say i feel too gained.

Oh yeah, i play team handball. European kind of big sport.

cheers

Well just be careful. If you get injured you'll be much more frustraited because you'll be sidelined for awhile. Jelqs will get you results and I don't think the gains will really come much faster even if you hit all those advanced exercises. But keep us posted.

You see that..that was your brain talking, it's fast real fast learner, but your penis NEED time to adjust, if you push him to far to fast you could sacrifice some of potential gains, or in worst case scenario injure yourself. Read some stuff on forum i and see why is that bad idea, to push to far to fast.
All the best and take it slow

Well, if you are only concerned with girth then I would stick with jelqing. You can do 200? That's not even close to what you could be doing. Even the newbie routine moves up to 600 jelqs within the first 2 weeks. Add some volume to your jelq sessions and then once you hit around 600 after adding 50 reps per session then I'd say end with some uli squeezes to start. I would do nothing more than a basic uli squeeze for the first month or so at the end of my workouts and then I might consider a horse 440 or possibly a dual compression squeeze. Trust me having staining on your dick can be a bit of a concern when getting naked with a new partner. I've dealt with that question on more than one occasion. If you can keep your self under control and condition your penis to the increase in internal pressure from the more "advanced" girth exercises then I would stay on that path because there are several issues that arise when you have significant bruising.

Have fun bleeding out the tip of your dick. Advanced exercises are only designed to produce more pressure, they don't do anything fundamentally different. If you aren't conditioned you don't NEED extra pressure, and you can't even handle extra pressure.

PenilePersist said:

I'd suggest starting with everything manual except for Chemical Penis Enlargement. For Chemical Penis Enlargement I'd say that you should have already been doing a dedicated, consistant, manual Penis Enlargement program for at least 3 months and preferably more towards 6 months.

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Well I'd say you haven't read nearly enough on chemical Penis Enlargement and shouldn't be talking about it as if your knowledge is gospel.

The whole point on chemical Penis Enlargement (at least with PGE-1) is to decondition your dick completely (by unweaving collagen cross-linkage) and allow for maximum gains from erection pressure and stretching. Conditioning your dick beforehand is the exact opposite of what you want to do.

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Well I'd say you haven't read nearly enough on chemical Penis Enlargement and shouldn't be talking about it as if your knowledge is gospel.

The whole point on chemical Penis Enlargement (at least with PGE-1) is to decondition your dick completely (by unweaving collagen cross-linkage) and allow for maximum gains from erection pressure and stretching. Conditioning your dick beforehand is the exact opposite of what you want to do.

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You could make your point with less arrogance. It was just my opinion. I think dedicated manual should be done for 3-6 months first. Then, if you want to use Chemicals .... I think that's great ... and if you think decon is so important than you can break for 1 month.

As you know, PGE is not the only Chem used in Chem Penis Enlargement, so there may be other factors to consider. Iknow IGF-1 is another common one. I'm no expert though and I never claimed to be. I'll refrain from cursing you out with equal arrogance because I've enjoyed your posts and convo in the past.

enkant said:

Sorry for being the newbie bombing you with questions, but here is another one.

I read here and all over the net: don't start with Uli's, squeezes or anything like that until after months and months of jelqing.

My simple wondering are: why?

Isn't it all about the pressure and intension? Is there really any good argument for not starting with SSJ for example after a month, as long as you keep the pressure pretty light and only doing it for maybe 5-10 min?

As an athlete, i always had the experience that the best variation of training, gets the best result. But i don't start with too much weight. But that doesn't mean i can start with the actual exercise.

Am I wrong?

Happy weekend to all of you

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simple your penis isnt conditioned to handle the advance routines at first. you will hurt yourself and put yourself out of the game.

enkant,

The advice given in both posts 11 and 14 are right on target. Dont be fooled into believing that exceptional gains can be coalesced by prematurely moving to so-called advanced exercises.

PenilePersist said:

You could make your point with less arrogance. It was just my opinion. I think dedicated manual should be done for 3-6 months first. Then, if you want to use Chemicals .... I think that's great ... and if you think decon is so important than you can break for 1 month.

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That would be fine, only this isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of science, and all of the science contradicts your statement. I don't understand why you'd bother to make these sorts of statements about something you don't understand.

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That would be fine, only this isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of science, and all of the science contradicts your statement. I don't understand why you'd bother to make these sorts of statements about something you don't understand.

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You're being too arrogant for your own good. Your whole argument is that the penis should be in a deconditioned state to realize the most benefits from Chem Penis Enlargement .... according to what you feel is conclusive science. I already said, giving you benefit of doubt - fine - then make sure it is in a deconditioned state .... but in my opinion ... I'd suggest .... that one still not use Chem Penis Enlargement without having first tried a dedicated manual Penis Enlargement routine for 3-6 months. Our views are not mutually exclusive, and you persist to take a stance that one of us has to be right and one of us has to be wrong ... and that you are right and I am an ignorant propagandist spreading misguided info. If that were the case, and you were as exclusively correct as you persist to imply .... nobody who has ever done manual Penis Enlargement before would gain from Chem Penis Enlargement .... yet much of the reason why you have learned of Penis Enlargement and become fond of it is because other people who had tried manual Penis Enlargement for a long time wanted to find something to get them faster gains and or over a gain plateau ... and they achieved good results and decided to share it. So, in reality, the specific nature and specific delivery of your argument - as you have specifically presented it though you may later elaborate or back peddle on in attempt to change (whether you change it to express poorly explained initial views or to express evolved views to save your ego - it doesn't matter) - is already actually proven to be a distorted reality ... and it MAY OR MAY NOT be proven to be completely invalid. Yet, you have repeatedly persisted - in what is a mild display of self aggrandizement in conjunction with ad hominem - to show passive aggressive arrogance with your asinine implications that your purported exclusive truth - as specifically presented as if you couldn't be missing anything - is backed up by absolute scientific fact/law that cannot be disproved/argued with etc.

Neither of us are scientists, nor experts in this field. You feel like you have incredible superiority over mean on this subject that justifies you bashing my personal opinion based on experience that I feel is relative, some biological education that I have had, and what I feel is common sense .... because you have read all of these Chem Penis Enlargement threads on the Penis Enlargement community ... and started to experiment with it. Granted, I have only skimmed the threads and not yet wanted to experiment with the Chems. But 1) biology and science is more broad than you are making it seem. Therefore, just because you feel you have one conclusive scientific fact it does not mean that it is mutually exclusive from other alleged/actual scientific facts that you are unaware of, or not thinking of, that may render your conclusions in err due to a narrow purview. 2) Science, medicine etc are really all practices to try to understand something that has always existed outside of these formalities that humans have tried to extract laws and facts from and or build laws and facts around. In reality, it is a never ending guess and experimentation that one leans towards conclusions with after repeated results/trends that may or may not necessarily ever showcase anomalies or variations at what seems to be random and or what is actually slight variations in application or one of many control/variable factors in the "equation" so to speak. Therefore, while it is always valid to say that experimentation has shown significantly reliable trends, it is not ALWAYS valid to suggest that these are laws and facts. Assumed laws and facts in science have been and will continue to be "broken" - though it is wise to lean towards them being absolutely true until given enough theoretical or proven information to sway perception, and such an open mind that they may not be absolute law or fact is required to progress in such circumstance.

Digressing from this broader view, in return to the origination of my thoughts on using various manual Penis Enlargement techniques from the start and my thoughts on using Chem Penis Enlargement only after a dedicated manual routine for at least 3-6 months ... whether you want to and or should decon afterward or not ...I'll explain the reason for my statement.

Penis Enlargement has always been fundamentally related to fitness training - be it with strength or cardio exercises. While the penis is somewhat unlike any other organ in the body .... it still shares some fundamental traits and is part of the same body that all of the other fitness rules apply to.

I'll focus on weight training muscles relative to Penis Enlargement.

My opinion on using various exercise techniques at any stage:
In weight training there are many different types of exercises to not only perform in order to target different muscles but to perform in order to target the same muscles in a different manner for different effect, efficiency etc in specificity though usually for the same outcome. I compare these principles to the different types of exercises in Penis Enlargement and find it to be very relative. With weight training muscles, for everybody from a beginner to a champion body builder, warm up is important before every workout and proper progression in intensity (amount of weight, duration and repetition) is also very important, recovery is also very important. The same fundamentals apply to Penis Enlargement, albeit with some specific differences due to the different structure of the organ that will not necessarily make the penis respond exactly as muscles do. This is what we consider a "scientific fact". HOWEVER, with weight training muscles .... it is not a problem to use all of the various techniques to target muscles in various ways regardless if you are a beginner or if you are a body building champion. You can use every weight lifting technique ever invented, as long as you do it in the proper form, with proper progression of intensity (amount of weight, duration, repetition) and proper recovery. I see no logic to form any other opinion that the same would not apply to Penis Enlargement. Therefore, in my opinion, you can do any Penis Enlargement exercise you want as long as you do it in the proper form, with the proper intensity, duration, repetition and recovery. And yes .... reasonable progression beforehand from maybe DLD's Newbie Routine may provide for a good warm up or acclimation to the exercises and the feelings they posses .... as I also previously mentioned ... but it does not necessarily have to be done ... just like, when training muscles, nobody necessarily has to start with resistance bands opposed to weights. Doing these "advanced" or varied exercises does not guarantee quicker gains, nor does it guarantee that there is no truth that gains could be realized more quickly. This is proven in weight training for muscles .... and in Penis Enlargement like with PhillipK gaining 1.2 inches BPenis EnlargementL - primarily from using an extender for 8 hours a day for 2.5 months: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28874 . Sorry, but all of you who persist to imply that it is an exclusive and conclusive truth that starting so called "advanced" exercises earlier can even be called "premature advancement" (which was somewhat oxymoronic when jsqderrida said "so called advanced" as if to imply, with which I agree, that they are not really "advanced" - immediately followed by saying that they could be done prematurely - which implies that they are something to advance toward) AND that only a fool would state that it MAY be possible that such activity MAY very possibly increase chances of exceptional gains in an exceptional time frame is actually the fool that is asserting things to be universally, exclusively and conclusively true that are not only inconclusive but that are actually proven to be wrong in some instances where certain specific variables exist to produce outcomes that are in stark contrast to this truly misguiding propaganda. Essentially, all of these exercises do the same shit in different ways with different efficiencies and different targeting - the only thing that really requires progression is the intensity ( weight/pressure, duration, repetition) - not the techniques.

Relative to this last paragraph; my opinion on using Chem Penis Enlargement only after at least 3-6 months of a dedicated, consistent manual Penis Enlargement routine - whether or not you decon before Chem Penis Enlargement:
Chem Penis Enlargement is like using steroids while weight training. In the muscle building community - shooting up IGF-1 and PGE-1, like Chem Penis Enlargement does, is considered about the same as shooting up with other substances refered to as anabolic steroids. According to wikipedia, PGE-1 is technically a hormone (like what is referred to as steroids) - though rarely classified as such ... and a lipid - like steroids. IGF-1 is also lumped in with close relation to steroids, HGH etc. Here is an example: Howstuffworks "How Performance-Enhancing Drugs Work" . Your body can naturally produce these things and or you can consume foods and beverages that can add them to your body. In weight training, a huge percentage of participants and advisers will never ever shoot up PGE-1, IGF-1 or any steroids etc .... and they will never ever advise anyone else to do it. I think the main difference in the likelihood that people in Penis Enlargement will be more lax with the use of these Chems in Penis Enlargement than they would for weight training muscles is simple because people are more zealous about their penis size, for many natural reasons that are quite obvious. However, some percentage of participants and advisers in the wight training of muscles community will do both use these Chems and recommend usage of them. The latter percentage - the users - are usually - especially in this time - all still wise in their use and recommendations for use with it...and the HUGE percentage of the users will not EVER shoot these substances up from the beginning, nor will they suggest that any other beginner do it. In general, the large majority of these people who use these substances in this manner for weight training muscles try their best to maximize natural gains and only shoot these substances up to speed gains or to exceed bodily limitations causing a plateau in gains after they have been weight training with dedication for often many years ... and at least about 3-6 months. There are many logical, and "scientific facts" - as you love to evoke as of late - that lead to this behavior that is generally considered most wise. Fucking around with these substances is no joke and can have serious side effects and need to be used with extreme care for near perfect or very reasonable efficiency with no ill effects that can be experienced in the time of use and or linger for a long time after use - possibly permanently in drastic situations. I see no logic to form any other opinion that the same would not apply to Penis Enlargement.

These are my opinions based on my research and experience. You are of course entitled to your own opinions without anyone else permission. Our opinions do not always have to be mutually exclusive; but in some cases certain views may be exclusively correct or partially more correct than others. Our opinions do not have to always be conveyed with rude, condescending arrogance presented with self aggrandizement and ad hominem - though we are all human and it happens. As humans, especially at our current stage of evolution, we can all exercise self control quite well and express ourselves however we choose. I hope that we all improve in these areas - including myself (though I still like being an uninhibited asshole on occasion as well, like some of you all do - as our psyche seems to like to balance whether we are aware of it or not).

Best to all of my fellows seeking Penis Enlargement success, no matter which techniques you use or how you use them.

PP,

Reviewing your above post alerted me to the fact that you again took umbrage to something I wrote. However, if you would allow me to explain myself, I believe that you will come to see that there truthfully wasnt anything oxymoronic in what I said. So-called advanced exercises are advanced to the extent to which they can injure new Penis Enlargement'ers. EX - putting a clamp upon your dick and then proceeding to bash it up against a wall is not something one entirely new to Penis Enlargement should be trying. However, 'advanced exercises' are not advanced in the sense that, often, they do not bring their practitioners any superlative benefits aside form, perhaps, getting over a slouch etc. Consequently, then, there is nothing oxymoronic in what I said; additionally, and all newbies should heed this advice, do not 'prematurely advance' to exercises of this kind as a consequence of misunderstanding what 'so-called advanced exercises' exist for - namely, for those who have been doing this for some time and cannot eek out the same intensity from their older exercises.
I bring this up not to fight, though. Im done with all that!

Best, PP

Derrida

what did penilepersist write cuz im not reading his life story. however both guys make good points to me, i dont know jack shit i just do as recomended.. and dont most guys experience gains early on using basic techniques'

Erect exercises like jelqing permanently thicken the tunica. Deconditioning is imperfect, and will never allow the tunica to return completely to its original state. Manual Penis Enlargement done before will limit the Chemical Penis Enlargement gains, and will actually make you gain LESS in the long run. I understand this is just scientifically backed theory, but it has been supported very strongly by Ken Adams who has more experience with Chemical Penis Enlargement than anyone.

The above is all with respect to the process of collagen relaxation. The effects of DHT and HGH will be independent of manual Penis Enlargement, because manual Penis Enlargement isn't going to have any effect on androgen receptors. However when all is said and done, DHT and HGH are a minimal part of the Chemical Penis Enlargement equation, and play a small role in the growth caused. While the effects of DHT and HGH won't be affected by conditioning, the effects of PGE-1 will, and overall the current protocol will be affected negatively by conditioning.

So manual Penis Enlargement before chemical Penis Enlargement will actually reduce your long term gains. Also the assisted bodybuilding vs. Chemical Penis Enlargement analogy is too simplistic. Assisted bodybuilding vs. manual pe and DHT/HGH is a fair analogy, but find me a PuBathmateed paper about someone who had a muscle cramp for a day straight and ended up with one 20" bicep. More complicated factors are at work.

I avoid arguments as a rule, but I view this forum as an important resource for spreading information. When someone says something that's wrong I thereby feel compelled to note that mistake. My goal isn't to make you cry about my arrogance, it's to make sure that misinformation isn't spread, because misinformation is a detriment to these efforts. You admitted that you'd only skimmed the Chemical Penis Enlargement threads, and you probably haven't even noticed all of the buried threads on Chemical Penis Enlargement. Read before you post. Don't talk out of your ass and I won't call you out on it.

You also posted like a whole page about something you admit to not reading because of some small comments I made. I'm pretty sure you're the one who needs to chill out