SirKyle making the switch (Newbie routine to Heavy equipped Newbie routine)

Hey SirKyle,

Thanks for keeping this log and documenting your "stepped down/newbie" version of DLD's total [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]/Bathmate routine.

I'm a week and a half into the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], and about 4 days into the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], having recently acquired both pieces of equipment. The routine in DLD's sig is exactly the one I wanted to dive into but since I'm so new I've been doing a pared-down version very similar to the one you're doing.

I think after a month or 2 of this version I'll be conditioned enough for the full routine as posted here...

I'm really impressed with both items, the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and think I'm off to a great start so far.
I'll be keeping a close eye on your progress here as I'm doing basically the same thing but about 2 months behind your progress.

So, it seems like you've definitely been getting some substantial gains in quite quickly. I am so freaking psyched
 
I wish you the best of luck comrade :) My gains weren't too substantial yet. It's kinda hard to tell with all the different measurements I took. The biggest change is definitely in [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FL[/words] and BPSFL. It's a game changer in the locker room game for me ;)

Did you read the thread about what I took out and why?
 
Thinking about it, I think I didn't even gain 1 full cm in BPenis EnlargementL yet. But it really depends on how I measure and everything, so it's hard to tell. I'll definitely turn this into more substantial gains soon hopefully. Sometimes I still doubt Penis Enlargement works but I just keep going for the science part (aka "How far can I take this?")
There's no denying also that I can't really fit the condoms that I've been using for years anymore. They're just way too tight now for my BG and I'm trying nominal widths from 57-60 now.

There's one huge condom at 69 nominal width over here in Germany. I'd kinda like to be able to use that one without slippage ;)
 
SirKyle;439469 said:
There's one huge condom at 69 nominal width over here in Germany. I'd kinda like to be able to use that one without slippage ;)
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Buy the package and put a small condom in place of the big one. When you go to put it on be like "Damn, even the biggest are too small" :)
 
The package isn't very spectacular unfortunately. I have the thing here, it's really quite the same as their 57/60/64mm version.
 
SirKyle;439605 said:
Also: Why would I cheat myself in the first place? My GF doesn't really seem to care.
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I was joking!
 
Just so you know, I'm still going strong with this. Will be doing a more detailed update sometime in August :)
Couple of teasers: I hit 185 in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and 500h total in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] (110 max Rod length, but more like 107 typically now) and there's gonna be at least some BPSFL gains to report, probably MSEG too.

I'm currently experimenting with other more concealable and more comfortable [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] options and will slowly be switching to hanging + [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] + [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] by the end of the year when my happy life at home is gonna come to an end most probably :)
With some luck I can max out the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] by the end of the year :) Finding those 200 EUR for the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] will be sweet pain :P
But I'll probably lay off of girth work once I switch to heavy hanging for a while anyways.

Wish me luck.
 
Received a PM:

Hey, could you help me out ?
I was wondering with the benefits are from a penisstretcher, does it replace my normal training and I only have to Jelq and use the stretcher ?
And I've trained since a long time the day before yesterday, and I got sore where the skin is attached to my head, is this normale after a few weeks of not training ?

Cheers
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it does replace the stretching for some and I've heard some gain that way, but I feel I get the most benefit from manual stretching and then wearing. The studies that were done probably didn't include any Manual Stretching either, so if you absolutely don't wanna stretch manually, give it a go. I do feel however that I need to take the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] off every hour, so I might as well do some Newbie Stretches then.

In the end: You have to try and experiment. And hope that it works. Usually I believe though that more helps more especially when it comes to stretching.

My usual pattern is:
long stretching -> (extender + short stretching) x 5-7 right now (every day)
+ Stretching (every day) & Girth Work in the evening (3-4x a week)
 
Also: Here's my late July Report. Pretty much as I just described.
Had some trouble with my balls in the beginning so I started doing the Testicle Health Massage more often and implemented some Ball stretches when taking a break from the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words].

I also bought Leather Ball Stretchers, but have barely used them so far.

August wasn't much different so far, but September will be different. I just received my Bibstarter and will be slowly phasing out the Manual work and the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] b/c it takes too much time for now and I don't wanna gain more girth for the time being. I'll detail my new routine when I post the August update.
Probably won't be happening a lot more this month b/c I'm on vacation starting Monday :)

Code: 
01.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + 10x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	Kegel forgotten again :/, way less slippage with asterix-wrap & aiming's strap now									
01.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] 165max or so (watching Family Guy…)									
02.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + 4.5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	GF tonight, crap, SG90 not in me today (tried for hour 4 -> slipping)									
03.07.2011 E	L [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 1.5x[1h Ext (800g)+ 4x40s NS]										
03.07.2011 E	G	3x[5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] + 120 + 40 V-Jelqs]										
04.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + Jerkoff + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + 11x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	wasn't stretchy at all before a little rub this morning, [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] interference									
"having way too much trouble with high-hanging balls -> insert ball pulls & Testicle Health Massage; Consider Leather Ball Stretcher & Weights"												
05.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + JOff + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + 6x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS + 10BP]	wtf, rubbing interruption again (= +30min) -> avoid how?									
05.07.2011 E	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS -> Cancel due to only cold water and no lube :(	it feels like my balls are getting more and more in the way of the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] -> Ball Stretching??									
06.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch +2x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
06.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] +  Rub + THydromax										
07.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch +2.5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
08.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch										
09.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 1x12x40s Newb Stretch +4x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	July-Time: 41.5h									
09.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] +  Rub										
10.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	GF tonight (Best Blowjob ever, so happy)									
11.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +8.5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
11.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]]										
12.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +4.5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	GF emergency :/									
13.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +7.5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
13.07.2011 E	G	3x[5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] + 120 + 40 V-Jelqs]										
14.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +7x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
14.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] +  Rub										
15.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +3.5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] Rod 100 (miscalc before), 90 was more like 110 :/									
16.07.2011 M	L	Rub + 8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +7x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	unstretchy -> Audrey Bitoni :D									
16.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] +  Rub										
17.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +2x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	GF tonight									
18.07.2011 M	L [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 8x[1h Ext (800g)+ 4x40s NS]	"SG Rod: 100/87/135; GF tonight"									
18.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] +  Rub										
19.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +10x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	July-Time: 96.5h									
20.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +11x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] Rod: 100/90/145									
20.07.2011 E	G	3x[5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] + 120 + 40 V-Jelqs] + Quick Rub										
21.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +11.5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] Rod: 102/92/145									
21.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] +  Rub										
22.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +4x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
23.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +4x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
23.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] 										
24.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +9x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
25.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +11x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	July-Time: 147									
25.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]]  [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] 170, [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] max 180 not today, but sometime before									
26.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +7x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
27.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +10x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]										
27.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] + Rub										
28.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +6x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	GF tonight									
29.07.2011 E	G	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s NS + 3x[120 + 40 V-Jelqs + 1m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]-Kegel - 5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] 170 w/o adult entertainment									
30.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +6x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	GF tonight									
31.07.2011 M	L	8m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]HP[/words] + 2x12x40s Newb Stretch + THydromax +5x[1h Ext (1200g)+ 4x40s NS]	trying [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] Rod 105/95/145 today									
31.07.2011 E	G	3x[5m [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] + 120 + 40 V-Jelqs] + Quick Rub	can't get a grip w/ Comf Pad today :/									
Jule Summary: 181h [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words]
 
Heya thanks for the reaction.
I don't understand your pattern to be honest, I just see alot of numbers like 5x7 and I'm like what the :P.
Could you explain it please ?

Cheers
 
Well, I get up in the morning:
Do a stretching session of 12 Directions x 30s. I then start over and do it again, so that's 2x12x40s Stretching.
I then put the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] on for one hour, do some stretching and put it back on. I do this 5-7 times, depending on many things. This is what I mean by [Extender + Stretching] x 5-7.
 
I measured a 13-14cm flaccid hang today after getting out of the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]. Looked fucking great to me :D

Still, I'm fucking depressed right now. I feel like my thesis is going nowhere and kinda lonely. Don't really know why. GF is on vacation, but I wouldn't be seeing her every day anyways. I just hope this passes or that at the very least I achieve something worthwhile towards my degree while being locked up in my man-cave. Alright, gonna write some friends on FB now.
 
It is ok to feel depressed, just don't make too much of it, we all go through it. It is most likely due to your girl being gone so realize that and relax...she will be home soon.
 
nah, I'm not quite sure it's that. It's more that I'm not advancing with shit (except for Penis Enlargement, lol)

In fact, this song kinda describes how I feel about her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkbfsdjtdPs
Watching is gonna be worth your time if you enjoy watching Asian girls ;)

Also: Who the fuck invented Facebook and Twitter Buttons on Redtube. Most stupid thing ever, lol.
 
SirKyle;449103 said:
Also: Who the fuck invented Facebook and Twitter Buttons on Redtube. Most stupid thing ever, lol.
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I am sure whoever it was they are making plenty of money:)
 
No doubt they're making a lot of money.
I'm thinking maybe I should install a second browser like Google Chrome or so where I never log in to facebook or sites like that and just use it for adult entertainment basically.

Also: Here is my overdue August update:
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As you can see I made some nice gains before my vacation. I haven't properly measured since, but I only lost 2mm of BPFSL over the vacation so that's no biggie.
I did measure MSEG after my hanging set yesterday though and I seem to have lost half of my gains. I was back down to 137, 138. Gotta admit that although I never really tried for girth yet, I kinda liked those mm's I picked up on the way with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. Oh well, length is still more important to me and maybe it was just an EQ issue. Also: I can always bring the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] back into the equation, but right now, I don't want it to interfere with hanging.
 
It sounds like you are very focused on length and girth is secondary, I would not fret too much a girth at this time, take what you can when you can! Once you have rallied for the length you want you can bring heavier girth work in. It is sometimes just how the brain works, it will focus in one area at a time.
 
Alright, couple of days from extending. My attachment has developed that hurt like crazy and are quite noticeable during sex too unfortunately :(
So back to a baseline of hanging and jelqing it is :)
 
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