Plastic/Elastic Theory... and achieving some freaky gains...

[SLICEDBEEF]

There have always been 2 main reason's that have always drawn me to Penis Enlargement. One is the obvious... A bigger penis is apealing. The second is the quest for knowledge and more specifically, why some people gain and some don't... even whenever the guy's that don't experience any gain's, claim they had a good workout and are sore (in a good way)... but no matter how hard they tried and no matter how much they felt sore, they still had no gains...

I believe that if we take into consideration all the variables/principles that make Penis Enlargement possible....dare I say... we can come up with the perfect routine (excluding genetics). Now, I know this sound's corny, but please bare with me...

I believe I have a legitamite theory for this perfect routine, that has actually been posted in chunk's of information/idea's, but never in complete form... Please excuse me if this theory has been presented before, as I have not read it yet. Again, you may have read some of the information I'm about to present, but I haven't read any post putting it all together like this.

It all starts with the connective tissues that make up the penis (including the ligs that are targeted with the DLD Blasters).
In the penis it'self, there is connective tissue that helps hold together it's structure of the more "meat-like-tissue".

I'll start by summerizing the actions of connective tissues, because I believe that this is the primary reason why some guy's gain and some guy's don't.....................................

AND, it has nothing to do with wether you effectively hit the ligs and/or the connective tissues of the penis it'self, BUT, by also taking into consideration a couple variables/principles.....

STATES OF STRETCH

As some of you may have read before, connective tissues tend to have 2 different stretching "mechanism's" (for the lack of a better word):

-ONE, is the elastic stretch, wich is applied when stretching the penis for a short duration... and typically, these guy's use more intensity to make up for the lack of time working out.

Pro's: You are able to stretch out the penis and cause pretty good fatigue due to more intensity.

Con's: The connective tissue that makes up the penis tend's to retract back to the normal size rather quickly, due to activating the "emergency response" also known as the "stretch reflex" of the connective tissue. Because connective tissues making up the penis contracted back to the original size before it has time to repair, your penis (along with the more "meat-like" tissue) will heal in that prior state. Resulting in very little, if any gains.

-TWO, is the plastic stretch, wich is when the connective tissues of the penis (as well as the ligs) are put under stress/stretch for a longer duration... and typically less intensity. These guy's frequently use devices that use [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] as a method (wich you can get an idea of, when you see an african tribal woman who ad's rings around her neck, stretching her neck out slowly over the years)

Pro's: If you stick with it long enough, you'll get some good concrete gains, due to your penis being under stress/stretch, for a loonnnnggggg duration (typically hour's a day).

While your body recycle's and renew's body-cell's (part of your body's natural process), the cell's in your penis are adapting to the stretch'd penis, by adding new and/or bigger cell's in place of the old cell's.

Also, since it's already been proven that the ligaments and other connective tissues tend to stay in the stretched state if they have been stretched for a longer duration (due to acting more plastic in nature than elastic), then you have really no worry of the "stretch reflex" contracting your penis (and all the "meat-like-tissue) back to it's previous state.

Con's: It takes a long freakin time due to the low intensity, and a lot of guys tend to get discouraged, thinking that they are failing some how... that the law's of nature don't apply to them.

Now, I know some of you may have read similar things before... but please bare with me...

If we already know that the penis contract's back to it's original size after an intense workout (due to the "stretch reflex" of the connective tissues), then how is the penis going to grow bigger if it's not in the stretch'd state while being repaired?!?!

My theory simply state's that for one to have a very effective routine, they should do both...BECAUSE...

PLAN 1

If a guy start's off in the morning with a very intense routine, putting the penis into a fatigued state and then regularly stretching the penis throughout the day, (or using a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] device, [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], peg-leg, etc.), every day, then you would be capatilizing on the previous fatigue-state and therefore keeping the penis stretched to the max durring heal-time....

You are now getting the best of both world's (intensity and plasticity), completing the circle and eliminating all the know'n variables that limit Penis Enlargement gains (at least that I'm aware of).

OPTION 2

For an alternative, you could also do some short, intense hanging/stretching around 3-5 times a day instead of just one time a day.
Again, you would be capatilizing on the previous fatigued state due to the prior intense workout and also getting the benefits of the plasticity.

CONCLUSION

Now, these 2 particular plans also have another positive law going for them. The "shock". If you are causing all this "micro-trauma" to the penis, never allowing your penis to completely heal, then your body will go into an emergency state and try to catch up with the trauma, causing a faster rate of repair... but you must also not overdue it.

Now, I know some people have gained rather succesfully with short duration/high intensity workout's.... but, I believe that this has to due with the diversity in genetic makeup, from person to person... and how well/easily the connective tissues react to stress according to their genetic maekeup (it's the typical hardgainer/easygainer variable)

This is a little theory I came up with after reading alot of freakin thread's and studying human anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, physic's, etc... and also my result's after being the typical hardgainer and having to settle for less than what I put into it. This took me awhile to put into words, but I would still like to hear your opinion's on this theory and if you could compliment it by adding other variable's.

I know we'll never find the "Best" workout (due to genetics), but I think we can come pretty close if we start taking into consideration the know'n variables that cause and limit Penis Enlargement gains.

Peace

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

Sure ,

I believe it goes back to the "shock" variable...

For the guy's that make gain's when first starting out, I believe the results are just like if you would start lifting for the first time.......OK, I know we really should'nt compare bodybuilding to Penis Enlargement, BUT, I believe it's relevant as far as how the human body reacts and adapts to stress....

So, as I was saying... If you subject your body to an unusual stress that it's not use to, then it will tend to adapt...
BUT, for the typical hardgainer that decide's to do short duration at high intensity Penis Enlargement, then I believe that they are hindering their gain's. They may gain a little, but nothing really noticeble....And also...

As far as gains being harder to achieve down the road, I would say it goes back to the way the body adapts (what I said above)...

For instance, if you performed a short duration, high intensity Penis Enlargement workout and then didn't do any "maintinance work" throughout the day (such as [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words], stretching every couple hours, etc.), then your connective tissues will contract back to the prior size, taking the meat-like-tissue with it...and of course would heal much stronger in the contracted state... and that would make it harder for you to get the proper amount of fatigue for future results.

If you read this right, then you can understand the infinate loop some of these guy's are running themselve's around in...................

Short, high-intensity workout... rest too long...penis contract back to the normal size (via elasticity in connective tissues).....connective tissues get stronger in the prior contracted state (because it didn't have enough time to heal in the stretched state), etc, etc, etc.....

And it start's over and over and over, round and round and round....

So basically, because of the elasticity of the connective tissue causing the penis to contract back to the original state of size.... I believe it's essential to do some"maintanance" work throughout the day (ads, peg-leg, manual stretching, short high intensity hanging/stretching, etc.) to keep the penis in the enlarged state durring "heal-time" AND to keep the connective tissues from ever fully healling until you've made some noticable gains... but not to over do it.

PS. I think I used the word "retract" in the opening post when I should have used the word "contract" with regards to to penis/connective tissue "contracting" back to the prior state.
If I confused some of you, sorry... I'm not the best with words

Peace

This theory seems very true.

Could you also tie in why beginners have quick good gains, and from that point making later on gains could be much harder?"

 

[Anon]

I've seen people who've suggested the same thing, but not so eloquently. I have to say though, I don't fit into your theory. I'm one of those easy length gainers who does a short intense session once a day, and my gains are plain in my sig. I think this is due to genetics, and in order to fit your theory, we can say that because of my genetics, my "emergency respnse" time is slower, so i don't need to do maintenance during the day.

You say you're a hardgainer - have you benefitted from the techniques you described?

 

[longTom]

Originally posted by SLICEDBEEF


If we already know that the penis contract's back to it's original size after an intense workout (due to the "stretch reflex" of the connective tissues), then how is the penis going to grow bigger if it's not in the stretch'd state while being repaired?!?!
PLAN 1

If a guy start's off in the morning with a very intense routine, putting the penis into a fatigued state and then regularly stretching the penis throughout the day, (or using a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] device, [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], peg-leg, etc.), every day, then you would be capatilizing on the previous fatigue-state and therefore keeping the penis stretched to the max durring heal-time....

You are now getting the best of both world's (intensity and plasticity), completing the circle and eliminating all the know'n variables that limit Penis Enlargement gains (at least that I'm aware of).

OPTION 2

For an alternative, you could also do some short, intense hanging/stretching around 3-5 times a day instead of just one time a day.
Again, you would be capatilizing on the previous fatigued state due to the prior intense workout and also getting the benefits of the plasticiy.

Now, I know some people have gained rather succesfully with short duration/high intensity workout's.... but, I believe that this has to due with the diversity in genetic makeup, from person

I know we'll never find the "Best" workout (due to genetics),

Peace

Your a thinker good for you! We need more thinkers in pe!
option 3 do the intense morning work out, and then stretch out
every time you go to the bathroom all day long.

The best workout is what works best for you, at the time you workout. as what works best now didn't work at all last year
if you you get my drift.
good food for thought thou.
LT

 

[stillwantmore]

Good ideas, really. I dont care what others think about my idea here. But, from the many men I have spoken with...creaping up on 5 years involvement with Penis Enlargement and the various forums....and from my own personal experience....95% of the time...the men who are not gaining either admit (eventually) to not doing a very committed program. Either because they dont want it bad enough ...so they dont bother making the committment to a dedicated routine. Or, they for one reason or another do not have enough time to do the work required to see the results they want. There are a few guys once in a while who honest-to-gawd cannot squeeze any extra time out of their daily schedule...the unfortunate few. The rest, just dont have the desire to do so.

 

[shojii]

There are some really good ideas out there. But, like in business or a relationship ya gotta be persistent and dedicated even when things are not going well. In a small sense my first couple of weeks were "balls to the wall" then the newness wears off. Thats when you have to redouble your efforts so you don't get "whatever" about it and fall off. Thats why I think the ideas of positive thinking and visualization come in. I believe it was Its Electric who came up with the paper roll that was his goal. That was a great pic that gave me motivation so I did the same. Now, Penis Enlargement is something that will not become a chore to do. goodluck

 

[nystrongstroke2]

I belive what ur saying because 2-3 days before i had my first 3-sum i had worked out hard in the morning and continued to stretch all through the day.By the 2nd day my dick looked almost an inch longer

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

You say you're a hardgainer - have you benefitted from the techniques you described?

Yes, I have gained in the past and am currently, due to this method.

I belive some of the theory, it works to a certain degree I think but aint always the case.
Guys still gain really well from doing normal stretches in the day/night and resting without constant stretching [ADS] as you put it.
I have worked with guys at PP who have meade immense gains from doing the most simple small workouts.

I see where you got the theory from, its a goodone but it sounds as though guys cant gain well unless they [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], which is rubbish.
Doing stretches / jelq work normally like many do will suffice and aint a problem.
I myself dont do LOADS of sessions, not many these days ... but when I do I HAMMER my dick like no tommorow, I aint lost any gains, infact rest days make me larger.

REDZULU2003

Actually, I gained by not using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words], but instead I started to perform manual stretches (maintinance work) throughout the day, after my more intense hanging or stretching session. I would also jelq before bed. Sometimes when I was feeling into it, I would go with a few hang session's throughout the day (although, rarely) or a few jelq sessions throughout the day.

Again, I totally know that there are some guy's out there who can grow just by imagining themselves doing Penis Enlargement...it ain't fair. They just seem to grow no matter what they do. But, I believe that because of the sensitivity that a few people have of the connective tissues (genetic issue) contracting too close back to the original size (before it's had time to heal), It's hindering their gain's when they could keep the stretch maintained throughout the day, while the penis repairs in that state... of course, all while listening to your body so you don't get injured.

And I agree, rest is essential... but as long as you don't overtrain, you'll get plenty of recovery. In other words, after the more intense workout in the morning, you would then do just enough work where you're maintaining the tissues of the penis out to the max stretched-state from the previous stretching/hanging...no more, no less. Since your penis has already stretched that far, then all you have to do is just keep the max stretch maintained and let the recovery do it's thing. Every now and then, you'll feel the need to do another high-intensity workout, and then continue with the maintanance and so on and so on...

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

Your a thinker good for you! We need more thinkers in pe!
option 3 do the intense morning work out, and then stretch out
every time you go to the bathroom all day long.

The best workout is what works best for you, at the time you workout. as what works best now didn't work at all last year
if you you get my drift.
good food for thought thou.
LT

Long Tom

Thanks LT, I appreciate the comment. That's a very effective routine that you've mentioned...It worked for me anyway's and still does.

Peace

 

[Girthius]

I agree totally with you Slicedbeef! I have always believed in this idea, and used this method in my Penis Enlargement! It just makes sense to me. I've touched upon it some in the past, in a few of my postings (even though I don't post that much), but your explanation of this concept is spot on!! Well done and well written!!!

Girthius

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

Good ideas, really. I dont care what others think about my idea here.

Thanks... me neather.

But, from the many men I have spoken with...creaping up on 5 years involvement with Penis Enlargement and the various forums....and from my own personal experience....95% of the time...the men who are not gaining either admit (eventually) to not doing a very committed program. Either because they dont want it bad enough ...so they dont bother making the committment to a dedicated routine. Or, they for one reason or another do not have enough time to do the work required to see the results they want. There are a few guys once in a while who honest-to-gawd cannot squeeze any extra time out of their daily schedule...the unfortunate few. The rest, just dont have the desire to do so.

SWM

I tatally agree, commitment and the tenacity to just go with the workout no matter what, is essential to having success. I've come to believe that success in Penis Enlargement requires the mindset of getting in there and doing your stretching, hanging, jelqing, whatever you do for Penis Enlargement...and just doing it...even if you "don't feel like".

 

[LeeJunFan]

So instead of me just doing my stretching routine at night and leaving it until the following night, you suggest throughout the day (when i go to the toilet for example) just stretching it for 30 seconds here and there, I would have thought this would have hindered gains but if what you say is true (it does sound very plausible) then I will start doing that as from tomorrow.
What would you say, give it a good stretch every hour or half hour?
Thanx and I appreciate your input on the matter, well done!

 

[fallen_one23]

I'm confused about that, its like saying"Instead of working out at the gym, i'll just throw some weights around for 3 minutes every hour" doesn't seem very effective

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

I agree totally with you Slicedbeef! I have always believed in this idea, and used this method in my Penis Enlargement! It just makes sense to me. I've touched upon it some in the past, in a few of my postings (even though I don't post that much), but your explanation of this concept is spot on!! Well done and well written!!!

Girthius

Hey, I definantly didn't get all this information my self... I've gotten probably most of it from alot of different post's that people like yourself contributed too. From what I already knew about human anatomy and physiology, it all just seem's to come together into a set of scientific variables that just tend to fall into place... It's worked and is still working for me anyway's...

Peace.

 

[REDZULU2003]

after hearing N'Y' post in here about his 1 inch increase from [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] in the day I am gunna give her another shot, dunno when,,,but the third leg will be used, that tribal thing.

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

[qutoe]
So instead of me just doing my stretching routine at night and leaving it until the following night, you suggest throughout the day (when i go to the toilet for example) just stretching it for 30 seconds here and there, I would have thought this would have hindered gains but if what you say is true (it does sound very plausible) then I will start doing that as from tomorrow.
What would you say, give it a good stretch every hour or half hour?
Thanx and I appreciate your input on the matter, well done!

LeeJunFan


Hi,

You can still do your night workout (best if you go with a higher intensity) and this will cause the fatigue of the penis and/or ligs because it's the more intense workout.
To keep the connective tissues that make up your penis expanded/stretched (because remember, the nature of connective tissue is to somewhat contract back to normal size), it's suggested that you do some extra "maintanance works" throughout the day, so that your penis and it's structure will stay in the stretched state and it will heal more so in the stretched state.

 

[LeeJunFan]

Ok cool, so tonight I will do my normal routine and as for tomorrow would you reccomend every hour just to keep it stretched?
Thanx again!

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

I'm confused about that, its like saying"Instead of working out at the gym, i'll just throw some weights around for 3 minutes every hour" doesn't seem very effective

FallenOne

Hi,

I think you missed the part where I suggested that you SHOULD do a High Intensity workout to cause the fatigue and then you do the "maintinance" throughout the day (jelqs, stretches, etc.) to keep the connective tissues of the penis, in the expanded state as the penis heals.

Let me ask you something... Let's say you worked really hard durring a good high-intensity workout and you feel some good fatique going on... your feeling happy bacause you had a good workout. Then, why would you wan't/allow the connective tissues to cause the penis to contract back to the original size all before it had a chance to adapt and heal?

As far as comparing it to bodybuilding, I see what your saying, but you can't really compare enlarging the penis with enlarging your muscles in this particular context.

penis enlargement is done more so through a passive exercise...you don't just sit there and throw some weights on your penis and start flex'n.

Also, the penis is made up of an entirely different tissue that has it's strucure held together by connective tissue.

And as far as strength training goes, check out some of Pavel Tsatsouline's work or get Supertraining by Dr. Mel Siff... and you'll find out that some of the top strength athlete's actually workout a rep or two short of failure with max weight's (1-5 sets of 2-5 reps) performed many time's a day... they get results by keeping themselve's fresh and stimulating the nervous system a "relative-strength" gain.

Peace

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

Ok cool, so tonight I will do my normal routine and as for tomorrow would you reccomend every hour just to keep it stretched?
Thanx again!

LeeJunFan

That sound's real good. All you got to do is keep your penis stretched/engorged out to the max (or close to it), durring the healing stage...without hurting yourself. Your penis should feel fatigued, soft and stretchy... not overworked or strained.

-If you are starting to feel a little overworked, then back off a little *a little* while listening to your body.

Good Luck

 

[shortwide]

If this theory is correct it might explain how I've been able to make faster girth gains than most.

I don't stick to set routine. I just Penis Enlargement very aggressively multiple times a day.

 

[LilD]

A very nice theory slicedbeef. Im a newbie at Penis Enlargement and started to doubt about it, not that it doesnt work but that it doesnt work for me. I begann to think i must have a strange dick or something that it doesnt work for me.
I do jelqing and stretching since almoust 3months and i see no gains. I always do 6on1 off or 5on2 off, in the beginning it took 30min, then 1hour and since 1month i make 2hour workouts. Im also doin dld-blasters, some ullis and squeezez since 2004 and i still see no gains. I always read newbie gains here, newbie gains there and it makes me a little depressed that some make such a good gains in such a short time and im not, the only positive thing from Penis Enlargement is that i have stronger erections now.
I always do my workouts at night and will start now with stretching/jelqing every couple of hours throughout the day. I hope this will jumpstart gains for me. Thx a lot for your theory.

 

[playa7]

Yeah, I hope that will help you! I think I know you, but I don´t know why.... )) You can also use an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] or an ADW (I mentioned it @ the german Forums)

C YA there! ;-)

 

[LilD]

Hi playa my friend Think i'll give ADW a try...:s

C YA @ the german Forums

 

[TennisNut]

Very interesting thread, SB. I was a newbie 4 months ago and experienced very fast gains initially. Those gains have now stopped for the last month. I think you make some great observations. I started to do lazy ass stretches and have recently gotten lazy about doing them. I'll get back to them throughout the day tom'w. Thanks.

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by TennisNut
I started to do lazy ass stretches and have recently gotten lazy about doing them.

Isn't this an oxymora?

 

[Super]

Recall

 

[Godsize]

Instead of an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] (I haven't built one yet), how about a cockring? Same shit, different dimension.

The only thing that puzzles me about cockrings are: How tight are they supposed to be?

I've tried different tightnesses, but it only seems to work when it's clamped tight. Anything less than that (to allow some circulation) and my dick will just go flaccid. I know it ain't good to leave my cock in a fully-clamped clamp for too long, and to get the most out of using any kind of [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] you have to do it for a decent amount of time after working out, right? Keeping my cock as expanded as possible while healing requires me to clamp it pretty tightly. I'm not sure if that amount of tension would allow any circulation, but anything less than that and my dick will pretty much deflate, thus defeating the purpose. Maybe I should just find ways to stretch and forget the tourniquets.

Wearing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] after a workout is a really good idea.

Would "Lazy Ass Stretches" be a good alternative to using an actual device for all day stretching? Or would the compression from sitting on it cause girth to suffer?

 

[REDZULU2003]

Godsize,
I have tried summut like this called the Ring Of Power cable clamp alternative.
What I do is use a medium suzed cable clamp and after a session clamp the thing around the whole package - including balls.
I have this set so theirs 3 clicks SHOWING on the clamp, after say 30/45 minutes I make sure its at 5/6 clicks SHOWING.

I have worn this all thru'' the day inthe past and it works well in encouraging blood flow to the penis and also keeping the DHT, testostarone blodd in their longer.

Make sure if you do this all day to have the clicks showing on 5/6 otherwise circulation is effected.

 

[Metal Ed]

Originally posted by SLICEDBEEF

If we already know that the penis contract's back to it's original size after an intense workout (due to the "stretch reflex" of the connective tissues), then how is the penis going to grow bigger if it's not in the stretch'd state while being repaired?!?!

This makes no sense to me. The whole "it must heal in the stretched state or it will not get bigger" theory. It makes no sense at all.

Listen, if it were true, the only people who would report length gains would be those wearing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. And we know that's not true. People have gained length without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] (I have)...... yes, their dicks were in the smaller, UNstretched state all day long while they healed, yet their erect sizes got bigger.

In addition, if the theory holds true, then no one would ever gain any girth....ever. Because no one walks around all day, healing, with a flaccid girth that is bigger than their erect size, not even with a cock ring.

The theory behind why an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] would help ("if the repair process takes place in the smaller, unstretched state, no increase in size will occur") also implicitly states that no one can gain length without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words].... and that no one can gain any girth....ever.

Bib once posted something on Thunders about collagen healing.... something about, when tears in collagen occur, if the fibers heal with the crenulations overlapping, then the fibers will heal back stronger and SMALLER than before. It therefore occured to me that, if this were true, then doing Penis Enlargement WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] would result in a smaller and stronger cock. Well, that's simply not so. I KNOW I've gained without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and others have also reported results without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words].

 

[REDZULU2003]

Lets get it on :fight:

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

First, I'm not saying that you have to use an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] for this to work and I'm not saying that everybody's connective tissues have the same amount of sensitivity to either the elastic or plastic nature.

Some people's connective tissue have more of a plastic nature than an elastic nature and therefor they may gain faster and easier than the less genetically gifted (as far as penis enlargement goes). For those people that have more of an elastic nature to their connective tissues...then they may get the gains of an "easygainer" through using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] after the more intense workout... or they can just do a "maintinance" routine of manual stretches/jelq's every 1-4 hours throughout the day.

If you've gained without any "maintinance" (such as an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] or manual stretches every couple hours), then good for you.

In the past 2 week's, I've gained an 1/8" erect by doing an intense workout everday or 2 and then "maintinance" throughout the day of manual stretches...and I'm still gaining consistantly, it seem's like. As soon as I get my digital camera, I'll start posting pics of my progress...I really think this theory could help the "hardgainers"/"non-gainers" start to add some size faster.

Of course, it's just a theory (and could be wrong)...but a theory based on science nontheless. Only time will tell.

Good Luck with your gains.

 

[Metal Ed]

Originally posted by SLICEDBEEF
First, I'm not saying that you have to use an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] for this to work and I'm not saying that everybody's connective tissues have the same amount of sensitivity to either the elastic or plastic nature.

Some people's connective tissue have more of a plastic nature than an elastic nature and therefor they may gain faster and easier than the less genetically gifted (as far as penis enlargement goes). For those people that have more of an elastic nature to their connective tissues...then they may get the gains of an "easygainer" through using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] after the more intense workout... or they can just do a "maintinance" routine of manual stretches/jelq's every 1-4 hours throughout the day.

If you've gained without any "maintinance" (such as an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] or manual stretches every couple hours), then good for you.

In the past 2 week's, I've gained an 1/8" erect by doing an intense workout everday or 2 and then "maintinance" throughout the day of manual stretches...and I'm still gaining consistantly, it seem's like. As soon as I get my digital camera, I'll start posting pics of my progress...I really think this theory could help the "hardgainers"/"non-gainers" start to add some size faster.

Of course, it's just a theory (and could be wrong)...but a theory based on science nontheless. Only time will tell.

Good Luck with your gains.

Before I begin, I want to apologize for the seemingly combative tone of the following reply. If you were talking to me in person, you'd see that I'm not pissed off at you. Unfortunately that doesn't always come across on the internet. So understand that this is an attack on your arguments and not an attack on you yourself.

It is tempting to try to rationalize the gains of anyone who doesn't fit with the plastic-tissue theory as the "luck of the easy gainer". But this is not the case for me.

It is wrong of you to assume that you know something about how easy or hard it is for me to gain....... it is also wrong for you to assume that you know something about how easy or hard it is for others in my situation (no use of an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]) to gain.

You are merely assuming that I and others are easy gainers without any evidence to back that claim. You don't really know about my routines and gains so far, or my success and/or frustration so far.

I think you are poo-pooing an observation that does not fit your theory.

A scientist formulates theories to explain observed events. If you stop to examine your own theory, you will see that it does not explain observed events.

The "heal under the stretched state" theory implicitly states that it is not possible to gain WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. If the tissues are indeed plastic, then they must heal in the state of plastic deformation in order for permanent size changes to occur. Think it through and you will see what I mean. If the current theory as to why an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] works is true, then it should also be impossible to gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. Many have gained without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] (probably more have gained WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] than with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]!), therefore the current theory explaining how an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] works does not fit with observed fact. Therefore the current theory is wrong.

I am NOT saying that an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] does not work. I am saying that the current theory explaining WHY it works is wrong.

Now, the explanation that "some men have plastic tissues and others have elastic tissues" MIGHT be viable theory to explain why some gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], but I do not know of any scientific evidence to support the claim of a difference of that nature between men in penile tissue composition. It is an interesting suggestion, though.

But this theory does not account for girth gains. If it is necessary for men of a "plastic" tissue nature to heal in the stretched state, how do they ever gain any girth? No one walks around all day with a flaccid girth that is bigger than their usual erect girth - not even with a cockring, sorry (I've tried it).

Here are my own observations after 8 months of Penis Enlargement:

In my first four months of Penis Enlargement, I used mostly two handed squeezes and fulcrum stretches, for about 45 minutes a day, 5 days a week. I increased from a pre-Penis Enlargement 7 x 5.7 to 7.75 x 6 in those 4 months. Success!

Following those quick and easy gains, I greatly steeped up the intensity of my routine. For the next 4 months after that, I did at least 60 minutes a day of Penis Enlargement, often more. I would also Penis Enlargement 5 days a week minimum, oftentimes 6 or even 7. I did manual stretching, two handed squeezes, extreme girth work with the cable clamp, and even a little pumping. And a lot of piss pulls, too, throughout the day. I trained HARD and did not slack. I often had bloodspots and discoloration that would last for days and days, yet I trained through them regardless.

Yet despite that dilligent hard work, this supposed "easy gainer" gained exactly 0" x 0" in those 4 months. I still measured in a 7.75 x 6 after 4 months of busting my ass.

I have not Penis Enlargement'd in over a week now. I decided to take a break and decondition my unit in the hopes that a strategic deconditioning would help jumpstart my gains.

An interesting thing has happened in the last couple of days. Both today and yesterday - after more than a week of no Penis Enlargement at all - I measured at just a hair over 8" x 6.125", not my usual 7.75" x 6". This was the first time that I had ever been able to measure "cold" (not after a workout) and CLEARLY top 8" bp, after 4 months of jamming a ruler into my pubic bone and coming up short each and every time.

I have no idea if this gain is "cemented" or not - I don't even know if this will be there tomorrow.

But here's another observation : during this Penis Enlargement break, my flaccid size has been *smaller* than it was when I was Penis Enlargement-ing. So during the last week or so - during which time my cock was not stretched even once, and during which time I was walking around with a smaller than usual flaccid - I seemingly gained!

Like I said, I don't know if it'll be there tomorrow. But remember that the number of men who've gained WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] is quite large- larger, I'd bet, than the number of men who've actually used an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and reported gains. This may be due to the fact that most men haven't even *tried* using [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] - but it also leaves us with a whole hell of a lot of "easy gainers" with "elastic rather than plastic" tissues. So many, in fact, that they can't be the exception to the rule (your post seems to imply that they are).

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

Before I begin, I want to apologize for the seemingly combative tone of the following reply. If you were talking to me in person, you'd see that I'm not pissed off at you. Unfortunately that doesn't always come across on the internet. So understand that this is an attack on your arguments and not an attack on you yourself.

No need to apologize... I understand that it's impossible to really convey emotions on a forum, unless your really trying.

"It is tempting to try to rationalize the gains of anyone who doesn't fit with the plastic-tissue theory as the "luck of the easy gainer". But this is not the case for me."

"It is wrong of you to assume that you know something about how easy or hard it is for me to gain....... it is also wrong for you to assume that you know something about how easy or hard it is for others in my situation (no use of an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]) to gain."

"You are merely assuming that I and others are easy gainers without any evidence to back that claim. You don't really know about my routines and gains so far, or my success and/or frustration so far."

"I think you are poo-pooing an observation that does not fit your theory."

Like you're doing with this?

I'm sorry, what's wrong with "assuming" a theory to be possible... I've experienced gains after applying this... and yes, I was a typical "hardgainer" (compared from what I've noticed reading other's results of Penis Enlargement in general). I was merely trying to write a post that some people might find helpful...wich a few people have already stated that it fit's with what they've experienced and was helpful... and not just in this thread... What about BIB, who claimed to have hung for hour's a day and gained a massive amount of size from it?

I'm sorry it wasn't helpful for you and I'm sorry that it "offended" you.

"A scientist formulates theories to explain observed events..."

Where did you get this?

Definition of the word "theory" from the Websters Dictionary.

1: General principles of a subject 2: Plausible or scientifically acceptable explination 3: Judgment, guess or opinion

"...If you stop to examine your own theory, you will see that it does not explain observed events."

OK...by your definition...

Do you mean that it hasn't been proven that there are in fact connective tissues in your penis (such as the tunica, ligs, etc.) that limit the expansion and/or length?

What about the fact that connective tissue tends to have an elastic/plastic nature?

What about the fact of genetic differing and the possibility that there may be a higher plastic to elastic ratio and vise-versa in different people? Might explain why some people end up with knee problems due to loosening ligaments and some people grow elderly with no knee problems.

It may not fit with your definition of "theory", But it is a plausible possibility, that might be able to help some people that have tried everything and still have not gained...or gained very little... wich happens quite a bit...and happened with me.


"The "heal under the stretched state" theory implicitly states that it is not possible to gain WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. If the tissues are indeed plastic, then they must heal in the state of plastic deformation in order for permanent size changes to occur. Think it through and you will see what I mean. If the current theory as to why an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] works is true, then it should also be impossible to gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. Many have gained without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] (probably more have gained WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] than with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]!), therefore the current theory explaining how an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] works does not fit with observed fact. Therefore the current theory is wrong."

First, you keep mentioning [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words]...this "theory" doesn't require the use of an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words].
Have you ever heard of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words]? Do you know exactly what these people went through to gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words]?... It's wrong of you to assume that there are more people that have gained without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] than with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] ...all kiddin aside... Does it neccisarily mean that it's the best way?

Like I've already mentioned... this "thoery" might be helpful to other people that have not gained and have tried everything. If you've gained without using this theory...then great. It goes with the fact that everbody is different in one way or another because of differing genetics...wich I've stated from the begining...I've never stated that this "theory" is set in stone for everybody...

"I am NOT saying that an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] does not work. I am saying that the current theory explaining WHY it works is wrong."

There are alway's more than one way to skin a cat... why can't there be a few different way's for people to achieve the same end-result, based on different theories?

Now, the explanation that "some men have plastic tissues and others have elastic tissues" MIGHT be viable theory to explain why some gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], but I do not know of any scientific evidence to support the claim of a difference of that nature between men in penile tissue composition. It is an interesting suggestion, though.

LOL...That's why I called this whole idea...a "Theory"...and not proven fact.

All I did was try and connect the dots of theory/science into a bigger picture... what's wrong with that?

"But this theory does not account for girth gains. If it is necessary for men of a "plastic" tissue nature to heal in the stretched state, how do they ever gain any girth? No one walks around all day with a flaccid girth that is bigger than their usual erect girth - not even with a cockring, sorry (I've tried it). "

Why are there people who experience girth gains, using only lengthening exercises?

 

[Metal Ed]

>>>>>Like you're doing with this?

Like I am doing with what? You lost me.


>>>>>I'm sorry, what's wrong with "assuming" a theory to be possible... I've experienced gains after applying this... and yes, I was a typical "hardgainer" (compared from what I've noticed reading other's results of Penis Enlargement in general). I was merely trying to write a post that some people might find helpful...wich a few people have already stated that it fit's with what they've experienced and was helpful... and not just in this thread... What about BIB, who claimed to have hung for hour's a day and gained a massive amount of size from it?


What about him? I am trying to understand his relevance to your "heal under strecthed state" argument. Are you suggesting that he was healing while he was hanging?

> I'm sorry it wasn't helpful for you and I'm sorry that it "offended" you.

>>>>"A scientist formulates theories to explain observed events..."

>>>>>Where did you get this?


From the dictionary:

Theory:

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.

Also, I happen to be involved in science myself. I'm currently working on my Masters in Human Nutrition. I guarantee you that my definition is compatible with a scientist's definition.





>>>>Do you mean that it hasn't been proven that there are in fact connective tissues in your penis (such as the tunica, ligs, etc.) that limit the expansion and/or length?


No. I don't know where you are getting this from.


>>>>>What about the fact that connective tissue tends to have an elastic/plastic nature?

>>>>What about the fact of genetic differing and the possibility that there may be a higher plastic to elastic ratio and vise-versa in different people?


As I said in my second post....this sounds very interesting, the idea that there might be a difference in plastic/elastic ratio between people. And as I asked before, is there any evidence that such differences exist? I would be interested to know.


>>>>>It may not fit with your definition of "theory",


I use the same definition as every scientist on the planet.


>>>>>But it is a plausible possibility, that might be able to help some people that have tried everything and still have not gained...or gained very little... wich happens quite a bit...and happened with me.


>>>>>>"The "heal under the stretched state" theory implicitly states that it is not possible to gain WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. If the tissues are indeed plastic, then they must heal in the state of plastic deformation in order for permanent size changes to occur. Think it through and you will see what I mean. If the current theory as to why an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] works is true, then it should also be impossible to gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. Many have gained without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] (probably more have gained WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] than with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]!), therefore the current theory explaining how an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] works does not fit with observed fact. Therefore the current theory is wrong."

>>>>>First, you keep mentioning [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words]...this "theory" doesn't require the use of an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words].

OK, but it does require helaing in the stretched state, correct? Now, how is that possible without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]?


Piss-pulls throughout that day?

Now how many minutes are devoted towards piss pulls each day? 30 minutes or so? So are you suggesting that all of the healing occurs during those 30 minutes of piss pulls, thus allowing the tissues to heal in the stretched state? What is happening the oyher 23 hours and 30 minutes of day, when you are not wearing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], when you are not doing piss pulls? No healing?

>>>>Have you ever heard of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words]?


Yes.


>>>>Do you know exactly what these people went through to gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words]?


No.


>>>>>>... It's wrong of you to assume that there are more people that have gained without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] than with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words]


No it isn't. I base this assertion on the vast majority of posts that I have read on Thunders and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. Unless these people are lying... or maybe all the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] people are lurkers..... but there's no reason to assume either of those two things.


>>>>>>> ...all kiddin aside... Does it neccisarily mean that it's the best way?


No, of course not.

Remember, as I stated before, I know there are people who have reported gains from using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and/or piss pulls. I'm not denying that they work. What I am trying to do is understand HOW they (and all other Penis Enlargement) work..... so far none of the theories that I have heard so far can explained all the observations.

I am not singling you out......these posts are conveying my general frustration with our lack of understanding of how Penis Enlargement works. I said "our" and I mean all of us... myself included.

>>>>>Like I've already mentioned... this "thoery" might be helpful to other people that have not gained and have tried everything. If you've gained without using this theory...then great. It goes with the fact that everbody is different in one way or another because of differing genetics...wich I've stated from the begining...I've never stated that this "theory" is set in stone for everybody...

>>>>>>"I am NOT saying that an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] does not work. I am saying that the current theory explaining WHY it works is wrong."

>>>>>>>There are alway's more than one way to skin a cat... why can't there be a few different way's for people to achieve the same end-result, based on different theories?


Look, there's nothing wrong with trying different things in order to find what works. I'm not going to hunt you down, track you down on the street, pull down your pants and rip off your [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], or follow you into the bathroom and break your fingers for attemptng piss pulls. Do them and good luck with your gains, etc etc.

I'm just trying to understand WHY Penis Enlargement works. So far the explanations I have heard don't make sense. That doesn't mean I FORBID people from trying different things. If anything, I hope that you do try different things and report back to us with your results.



>>>>>>Now, the explanation that "some men have plastic tissues and others have elastic tissues" MIGHT be viable theory to explain why some gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], but I do not know of any scientific evidence to support the claim of a difference of that nature between men in penile tissue composition. It is an interesting suggestion, though.

>>>>>LOL...That's why I called this whole idea...a "Theory"...and not proven fact.

>>>>All I did was try and connect the dots of theory/science into a bigger picture... what's wrong with that?


I didn;t say anything was wrong with that. I am in fact trying to do the same thing.

>>>>"But this theory does not account for girth gains. If it is necessary for men of a "plastic" tissue nature to heal in the stretched state, how do they ever gain any girth? No one walks around all day with a flaccid girth that is bigger than their usual erect girth - not even with a cockring, sorry (I've tried it). "

>>>>>Why are there people who experience girth gains, using only lengthening exercises?

I don;t know. But your response avoid the issue: if the plastic tissue heal under stretched state theory is true, how do you explain those who report girth gains from girth exercises?

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

"I think you are poo-pooing an observation that does not fit your theory."

Like you're doing with this?


"Like I am doing with what? You lost me."

Your "Poo-pooing" my theory because it doesn't fit with your experience and/or you can't visualize want I'm trying to explain and/or the words I use don't go by a perfect definition of your choosing.


I'm sorry, what's wrong with "assuming" a theory to be possible... I've experienced gains after applying this... and yes, I was a typical "hardgainer" (compared from what I've noticed reading other's results of Penis Enlargement in general). I was merely trying to write a post that some people might find helpful...wich a few people have already stated that it fit's with what they've experienced and was helpful... and not just in this thread... What about BIB, who claimed to have hung for hour's a day and gained a massive amount of size from it?


"What about him? I am trying to understand his relevance to your "heal under strecthed state" argument. Are you suggesting that he was healing while he was hanging?"

I'm sure his body was adapting somewhat under that stretched state...yes...if not more so by a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] method. Of course, I believe that he spead up the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] by fatigueing (due to hanging) the penis and keeping it to his maxed stretch for hours a day. The same way lots of guys have used "shock routines" to gain permanent results very quickly... except my theory isn't so extreme.

There are lot's of information on all the Penis Enlargement boards that support this "theory".

"Also, I happen to be involved in science myself. I'm currently working on my Masters in Human Nutrition. I guarantee you that my definition is compatible with a scientist's definition."

Good for you...you've contributed alot to this thread and helped alot of people.... :s


Do you mean that it hasn't been proven that there are in fact connective tissues in your penis (such as the tunica, ligs, etc.) that limit the expansion and/or length?


"No. I don't know where you are getting this from."

Ok, are you new to Penis Enlargement? You can do a search or look in pretty much any anatomy book and see what I'm referring to. If your a study guy...your a scientist...so why don't find them and prove to me that these connective tissues don't exist...instead of saying you've never heard of them and therfor it's irrilivant.

I'm not a scientist, so I don't think your definition of theory applies to me. I'm just a guy on a message board that is trying to put up a helpful post.

You big scientist picking apart us little stupid guy's post because we are not following the laws of how a "real" scientist should come to a possible theory...why don't you help make this better if you are a scientist instead of picking apart and critsizing?

I don't have the tools or money to conduct experiments to see if what I say is completely true...but I do have other information that I can use, such as this message board, internet, etc. to get my information and come up with a "Laymen's theory".

"I use the same definition as every scientist on the planet."

rofl Awesome...good for you... I'm not a scientist, I'm more of what you'd call a compulsive learner and inventor and writer.

"The "heal under the stretched state" theory implicitly states that it is not possible to gain WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. If the tissues are indeed plastic, then they must heal in the state of plastic deformation in order for permanent size changes to occur. Think it through and you will see what I mean. If the current theory as to why an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] works is true, then it should also be impossible to gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. Many have gained without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] (probably more have gained WITHOUT an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] than with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]!), therefore the current theory explaining how an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] works does not fit with observed fact. Therefore the current theory is wrong."

Ok, what I mean by healing in the stretched state can also mean adapting in the stretched state... If you can keep you connective tissues (including other tissues) in the stretched state (because connective tissues tend to go back to their original size...after some time) then your penis should adapt to the stressors similar to [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words]. I'm not a scientist, but why can't there be more than one way to skin a cat? Just because one way works for a few people...doesn't mean that this can't work either, like you are implying.


"Piss-pulls throughout that day? "

"Now how many minutes are devoted towards piss pulls each day? 30 minutes or so? So are you suggesting that all of the healing occurs during those 30 minutes of piss pulls, thus allowing the tissues to heal in the stretched state? What is happening the oyher 23 hours and 30 minutes of day, when you are not wearing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], when you are not doing piss pulls? No healing?"

No, you didn't read any of my post's very good... you might want to go back. Since you are constintly keeping the connective tissues and the penis stretched out every 2 hours or so...then you are therefor not allowing the connective tissues to return back to their original size during heal/adaptation time...wich they tend to contract back, over a course of a certain timeframe.


"But this theory does not account for girth gains. If it is necessary for men of a "plastic" tissue nature to heal in the stretched state, how do they ever gain any girth? No one walks around all day with a flaccid girth that is bigger than their usual erect girth - not even with a cockring, sorry (I've tried it). "

Why are there people who experience girth gains, using only lengthening exercises?

"I don;t know. But your response avoid the issue: if the plastic tissue heal under stretched state theory is true, how do you explain those who report girth gains from girth exercises?"

I wasn't trying to avoid the question considering I've already explained my theory on all this in previous post's... which you seem to be picking apart based on the definition of every word I use... and not disproving it with any evidence... but anyways...

Think of it as blowing up a balloon. You keep it blown up to it's max for a while. You now release the air and you'll see that most of the size is gone... but you were still successful in causing somewhat of a permanent size gain...without needing to keep it stretched non-stop all day. The balloon actually acts alot like connective tissues except we have the ability to heal, so therefore we can do it multiple times a day for days on end.

NOW, I know you are a scinetist and your going to be asking me where my evidence is. I've read alot about the human body and to be honest I don't exactly remember where I read this information, but I read it. So if you are dedicated to proving my post wrong... prove it with scientific evedince... you being the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] scientist an all.

 

[Metal Ed]

>>>>>Your "Poo-pooing" my theory because it doesn't fit with your experience


No, I am "poo-pooing" your theory because it doesn't fit with the reports of a great many who have Penis Enlargement'd, not just my own.


>>>>>and/or you can't visualize want I'm trying to explain


No, I believe I understand what your theory says. If I have mischaracterized your theory and attacked a straw man, please point out how and I will gladly apologize.


>>>>"What about him? I am trying to understand his relevance to your "heal under strecthed state" argument. Are you suggesting that he was healing while he was hanging?"

>>>>>I'm sure his body was adapting somewhat under that stretched state...yes...if not more so by a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] method.


Ok, so just to be clear on this one so that I don't misrepresent you, are you or are you not of the opinion that spending long hours hanging allowed Bib to heal or adapt in the stretched state?


>>>> There are lot's of information on all the Penis Enlargement boards that support this "theory".


Yes there are. But there are also lots of reports that contradict the theory as well.

Bear in mind.... I don't claim to have the answers here, nor do I claim to have the correct theory. I'm pointing out our need for new theories. And again... I'm not criticizing you for trying..... I'm criticizing the theory.



>>>>"Also, I happen to be involved in science myself. I'm currently working on my Masters in Human Nutrition. I guarantee you that my definition is compatible with a scientist's definition."

>>>>Good for you...you've contributed alot to this thread and helped alot of people.... :s




Since I am trying my best to keep this civil and attack your arguments rather than attack you, maybe you could try to do the same, yeah?



>>>>>Do you mean that it hasn't been proven that there are in fact connective tissues in your penis (such as the tunica, ligs, etc.) that limit the expansion and/or length?


>>>>>"No. I don't know where you are getting this from."

>>>>Ok, are you new to Penis Enlargement? You can do a search or look in pretty much any anatomy book and see what I'm referring to.


Oops! Looks like I read that one too fast before I responded. I thought you were asking me if I believed that it hasn't been proven that there are connective tissues etc. etc in the penis... to which I responded "no" because I didn't know why you would think that I don't believe that there are connective tissues in the penis. My bad. Yes, of course, there are connective tissues that limit the expansion of the penis.



>>>>>You big scientist picking apart us little stupid guy's post because we are not following the laws of how a "real" scientist should come to a possible theory...


I'm still more like a "scientist in training" at this point. Also, I am not trying to make you feel stupid. Please calm down.



>>>> why don't you help make this better if you are a scientist instead of picking apart and critsizing?



Part of trying to make a better theory is recognizing the flaws in existing one. This is what I am attempting to do.



>>>>>>Ok, what I mean by healing in the stretched state can also mean adapting in the stretched state... If you can keep you connective tissues (including other tissues) in the stretched state (because connective tissues tend to go back to their original size...after some time)






"If you can keep your connective tissues in the stretched state". I know of no other way to do this other than by using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. Well, you could just stay home and pull on your penis all day too.

Now, look: your argument for why "adapting in the stretched state" would work is this: ""because connective tissues tend to go back to their original size after some time". Okay. This implies that those who DO NOT "adapt in the stretched state" will not tend to gain.

You are making a general comment here about connective tissue here...not just "a hard gainer's conective tissue". This statement applies to pretty much everyone who Penis Enlargement's WITHOUT "adapting in the stretched state", which I believe, refers to those who do not use an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], or who do not hang for as many hours as Bib, etc. Which means, the majority of those that Penis Enlargement. I.e, most of us.

What about those who gain from 20 to 30 minutes a day of stretching? Surely this time frame is too short to allow "adapting in the stretched state." How do they manage to gain, then, if "connective tissues tend to go back to their original size" if they do not adapt in the stretched state? No more talk of easy gainers. You are making a general statement about how connective tissue works, so that must apply to all of us.... or at least MOST of us, yeah?

And to reiterate... I know that using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], or long hours of hanging, have worked for many. I am merely suggesting that we don't know, right now, WHY it works.


>>>>>No, you didn't read any of my post's very good... you might want to go back. Since you are constintly keeping the connective tissues and the penis stretched out every 2 hours or so...then you are therefor not allowing the connective tissues to return back to their original size during heal/adaptation time...wich they tend to contract back, over a course of a certain timeframe.


This is an interesting thought. So by regularly stretching, you reopen the tears before they heal in the "small" state, is that what you are suggesting?




>>>>>"But this theory does not account for girth gains. If it is necessary for men of a "plastic" tissue nature to heal in the stretched state, how do they ever gain any girth? No one walks around all day with a flaccid girth that is bigger than their usual erect girth - not even with a cockring, sorry (I've tried it). "

>>>>>>Why are there people who experience girth gains, using only lengthening exercises?

>>>>>>"I don;t know. But your response avoid the issue: if the plastic tissue heal under stretched state theory is true, how do you explain those who report girth gains from girth exercises?"

>>>>>>I wasn't trying to avoid the question considering I've already explained my theory on all this in previous post's... which you seem to be picking apart based on the definition of every word I use... and not disproving it with any evidence... but anyways...

>>>>>>Think of it as blowing up a balloon. You keep it blown up to it's max for a while. You now release the air and you'll see that most of the size is gone...




With you so far. We've stretched the balloon, now it's gone back down to it's original size (mostly)....




>but you were still successful in causing somewhat of a permanent size gain...




Aha! The mere act of stretching it has caused the size to increase permanently ever so slightly. Nothing here about the balloon adapting in a stretched state or whatever (unless the adaptation is instantaneously the moment we stretch it, which I don't think either of us believes to be the case!)....




>>>>without needing to keep it stretched non-stop all day.



This is what I am saying re: Penis Enlargement. There are so many Penis Enlargement-er's who have reported gaining without needing to keep it stretched all day....




>>>> The balloon actually acts alot like connective tissues except we have the ability to heal,




OK. Now, this is where I have the problem. What is happening when the connective tissues heal in Penis Enlargement? In successfull Penis Enlargement, they heal larger. As you just explained with the balloon example, they don't need to stay in the stretched state in order to show a permanent size increase, correct?

But you are arguing that while they don't NEED to be in the stretched state while adapting, it HELPS to be, especially if you are a hard gainer, right?

So far I am with you. I even agree with you up to this point! But here's the rub: WHY does it help the "hardgainer" to heal (adapt, whatever) in the stretched state? What is the proposed theory as to why it helps? Show me an explanation as to why it helps that does NOT imply that one can't gain without healing in the stretched state.

That's the problem. Every explanation I have heard so far implies just that.

So you see..... I have no problem with you, your methods, or your plans. Try your new approach and God Bless. I'm expressing my frustration over the fact that here we all are, pulling and tugging and squeezing away to get bigger dicks..... without really knowing precisely what is happening in our tissues.

And since we're talking about scientists.... let me also express my frustration over the fact that almost all scientists think that Penis Enlargement is total bullshit and will probably NEVER devote any research into how or why Penis Enlargement works.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Think I will step in here, before summut starts.

No need to keep QUOTEING it will wind people up as its like ya saying you know best....no offense just a heads up...it does piss people off when it keeps happening over and over like in that post.

Keep it clean as ya both have and I see no probz....dont let this get out of hand in here.


thanks

carry on

:fight:

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

OK. Now, this is where I have the problem. What is happening when the connective tissues heal in Penis Enlargement? In successfull Penis Enlargement, they heal larger. As you just explained with the balloon example, they don't need to stay in the stretched state in order to show a permanent size increase, correct?

Yes, but for the hard gainer it goes to the "theorized" principle of everybody has a different sensitivity to the plastic/elastic nature of the ligs... For instance... like I've already explained... The "hard-gainers" might have a higher elastic to plastic nature to there ligs/connective tissues and the "easy-gainers" might have a higher plastic to elastic nature to their ligs/connective tissues. You can obsorve that this is a pretty good theory considering their a cases where young men and women have knee problems due to loosening of the ligs and their are elderly that have no loosening of the ligs in their knees.

So, the bolloon analogy still hold's merit if you consider this theory that some people might need to continue with "maintinance" throughout the day, to get this permanent increase that the "easy-gainers" get with just 15-30 minutes of exercise a day.

But you are arguing that while they don't NEED to be in the stretched state while adapting, it HELPS to be, especially if you are a hard gainer, right?

Yes...especially if you are a hard-gainer.

So far I am with you. I even agree with you up to this point! But here's the rub: WHY does it help the "hardgainer" to heal (adapt, whatever) in the stretched state? What is the proposed theory as to why it helps? Show me an explanation as to why it helps that does NOT imply that one can't gain without healing in the stretched state.

I never implied that one can't gain without being in the stretched state...It goes back to the theory that everbody has a different reaction to stress on their ligs, due to each indivdual's own "ratio" of plastic to elastic properties.

At a microscopic level, then it might have to do with the microscopic tears....or it could be due to more of a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] method but accelerated due to the previous fatigue of the more intense workout...wich might also have to do with microscopic tears. since I don't have the money or resources to conduct a experiment...then this theory is as complete as it's going to get and still make sence...to me at least.

So far I am with you. I even agree with you up to this point! But here's the rub: WHY does it help the "hardgainer" to heal (adapt, whatever) in the stretched state? What is the proposed theory as to why it helps? Show me an explanation as to why it helps that does NOT imply that one can't gain without healing in the stretched state.

I thought I've already explained...let me try again. everybody tends to adapt to stress in one way or another (weightlifting, tanning, etc).
By doing "high-intensity" pe workout and then doing "maintinance" throughout the day then in "theory", you might be able to get the best results due to the "ratio of plastic to elastic properties of the individual's connective tissues"... For me it has worked and also for other's experiences I've come across.

Now, it might not work for the "easy-gainer" due to overtraining and possible injuring the connective tissues because they in theory have a higher plastic to elastic properties.

The whole idea of this theory is to fatigue the connective tissues and penis itself (with high-intensity) and then do "maintinance" to keep the connective tissues expanded a longer time so the body has a better chance of adapting at this size... or close to it. I guess you could say that your getting the best of both world's (intensity and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] or what ever "stretches/jelqs/etc. throughout the day would be called)

I don't really know what other way to explain it...maybe I'm not understanding what your asking?

 

[Metal Ed]

Well, we might as well wrap up this thread. I think we've both made some ggod points here.

I can see that your position is that, for those who gain without an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], their tissues are more elastic than plastic. As I said before, this sounds like a really interesting explanation. As you stated:

"Now, it might not work for the "easy-gainer" due to overtraining and possible injuring the connective tissues because they in theory have a higher plastic to elastic properties."

Now what I personally need to do is sift through some literature on collagen and see what I can dig up on this subject. You were reluctant to provide specific references for this idea, saying that was something that you had read or heard at various times but weren't sure of the source. Now because I'm so anal, and because I have decided that NOT knowing is going to bug the shit out of me until I DO know, I'll probably be in the library digging shit up when I'm supposed to be studying.

 

[SLICEDBEEF]

Now what I personally need to do is sift through some literature on collagen and see what I can dig up on this subject. You were reluctant to provide specific references for this idea, saying that was something that you had read or heard at various times but weren't sure of the source. Now because I'm so anal, and because I have decided that NOT knowing is going to bug the shit out of me until I DO know, I'll probably be in the library digging shit up when I'm supposed to be studying.

Sorry bout that... rofl... I could probably find all the sources, but It would take me a freak'n month... For crying out loud, I'm lazy and I just figured out how to use the Quoted messages properly.lol

But, I don't believe that an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] would cause injury to the "easygainer" because the tension is not enough! I was thinking more in term's of, multiple medium to high-intensity workout's a day that might be overkill for what they are wanting to accomplish. Next time I'll try and write the whole thing out more clearly.

Peace



Good Luck

 

[Super]

Well I am glad this came to a peacefull conclusion. Great thread guys!

 

[Super]

Recall

 

[DLD]

SLICED, Any new updates on this?

 

[iwant8inches]

Seriously. It was interesting to read. I am glad that you bumped this thread D. Sometimes this sort of thread can get lost. This is what I had in mind about the thread on the limiting factors of Penis Enlargement. I want to know what makes a "hard gainer" a "hard gainer" as opposed to he's a "hard gainer" because he does such and such and never gains. The same for "easy gainers."

 

[bluenun]

Just read the whole thread, very interesting read especially as I have not been able to gain any length, so for the last few weeks have been warming up for 15 minutes stretching for 15 minutes in the mornings then wearing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for 12 hours a day. Just taking it off to stretch for 7 minute stretching sessions 3 times a day.

I feel the fatigue the second I pull on my penis in the morning and at the start of each session. In fact I am feeling mild fatigue just with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] on. If I don't gain from this I don't know what to do.

It would be good to hear from SLICEDBEEF and Metal Ed to see what they have been up to in the last year.

 

[DLD]

For those who have not seen this thread it is a good read. I always enjoy when members really dig deep into the scientific portions of penis enlargement and it would be awesome to see more of this.

 

[REDZULU2003]

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It will interest the newer members here and hopefully they can add to this.

 

[DLD]

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It will interest the newer members here and hopefully they can add to this.

I was trying to find this and all I found was my own thread but this is excellent information for those who have not seen it yet.

 

[fedora]

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I usually did a lot of dld blasters, then "las sitting on it", and then immedieately adding the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], I did this for about 8 sessions a day, each following a 1 hour [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] use. This gave me fast length gaining.

 

[penisbuilder]

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