PGE-1 Injection Progress Thread
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When fully erect there is little out flow of blood so for the most part, the DHT will be localized. I realize that there will always be systemic effect thru the skin but that will be the case whether DMSO us used or not. Also, the DMSO is used not just for it's penetration enhancing abilities but also for it's collagen-softeneing properties.goldmember said:
What do you guys use the dmso for? As a carrier for the dht?
What about this product as a carrier?
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What about this product as a carrier?
Primordial Performance - Dermacrine, hormone precursors and estrogen reducers
spinner2 said:
I use an auto-injector too and have a veiny dick so I am limited to where I can inject.
I hit a massive vein last week, no problem though it just left a big bruise for a few days.
I find it easier to get a bit plump first by thinking of something arousing (sometimes difficult cos I still hate injecting my dick) and then injecting before I go completely flaccid again.
I noticed stagestops thread on thunders said he was instructed by Dr Adams to stretch first and then inject, aiming for a 2 hour erection.
Personally I would have thought it would be best to inject first and get a longer duration erection, get fatigued and then stretch when the erection has worn off.
Dr Adams also seems to be more aimed at length than girth.
I understand that injecting PGE-1 into the CC can weaken the cross linking of the collagen in the Tunica but surely these injections would not affect the Suspensory of Fundiform Ligaments.
I would assume that any length gains from this chemical method would be due to lengthening of the Tunica so stretching straight out, to the side or up would be effective.
I would assume that any length gains from this chemical method would be due to lengthening of the Tunica so stretching straight out, to the side or up would be effective.
Yeah, it's the tunica getting longer that is responsible for length gains. However if you aren't stretching straight down, then this elongation of the tunica just causes your LOT to raise, without the BPenis EnlargementL gains to go with it.
At least this has been my experience. My LOT is noticeably higher the day after an injection, and I can hit my ligs better stretching SD.
At least this has been my experience. My LOT is noticeably higher the day after an injection, and I can hit my ligs better stretching SD.
My next step is to get 1mg IGF-LR3, and do CC injections along with the PGE-1. I'll probably do this in a little over a month, to insure I'm fully comfortable with injection. I'm thinking of doses at 20mcg, but I'm not sure yet.
Further down the road I'm looking into PGF-2a injections as Goldmember mentioned. I've been doing some google searches, and I can't find enough mentions of intracavernous injections. I need to figure out the proper effective dose before I try this. I'm going to continue research for a while.
Further down the road I'm looking into PGF-2a injections as Goldmember mentioned. I've been doing some google searches, and I can't find enough mentions of intracavernous injections. I need to figure out the proper effective dose before I try this. I'm going to continue research for a while.
I think that 20mcg is way more than you need... bodybuilders typically use 20mcg but they're injecting into much larger muscle groups. I think 5-10mcg is more than enough.spinner2 said:
I speculate that you will regret doing this... side effects for injecting PGF-2A is pretty harsh. Shortly after injecting (typically within 20 minutes), you will feel sick to your stomach and just as this subsides, you will experience diarrhea. The larger the dose, the more explosive the diarrhea...This is the typical side effect bodybuilders experience when injecting PGF-2A into any bodypart. Oh, i also forgot to mention that the injections are VERY painful. Good luck with that...
From what I've read bodybuilders who have had good results with IGF-LR3 have had to use more than 30mcg. I don't think 20mcg will be too much, although I will start with a lower dose and may reconsider. I need to do some research on what to mix the powder with, though. From what I've read acetic acid will kill cells/promote scar tissue, which was consistent with Supra's later problems.sikdogg said:
As for PGF-2a: If the dosage for Penis Enlargement is anything like the dosage for bodybuilding, then it will be too cost restrictive for me to pursue. I think the nausea/diarrhea side effects are only present systemically, so I would be safe as long as I didn't hit a vein. You are right that the injections would be very painful, but fuck it. I will also need 6 time-spaced injections in each sitting, which will suck. I'm a little confused about how this will work to speed gains, because from my understanding it restricts erections (smooth muscle contraction). I guess it has strong effects on the tunica that will allow for massive gains given stretching sessions.
The only things stopping me from PGF-2a injections are lack of information and possible cost. I'm convinced that I can find a way to make this work for me, although it will probably take a few months.
Well I just saw Sikdogg's earlier post. Awesome link for cheap PGF-2a. Any clue on what else is in the solution, Sik? I won't inject stuff in my dick unless I'm sure it won't cause scar tissue. I'm gonna do search some bodybuilding forums and send them an email for to try and find out.
The effects of PGE-1 have still been intensifying a bit. I think they're about topped off now: 6.25mcg gives me a 6-7 hour effect, and 3.75mcg gives me a 3 hour effect. I'll go back and forth depending on how much free time I have. After the halfway point I can end an erection any time I want with benadryl (slows blood flow to dick), tylenol (drops prostaglandin levels systemically), and ejaculation. Pain is a non factor now. I believe it was mainly a result of poor injection technique, and higher doses than necessary. There is still pain, but it's not debilitating, leaving me free to read/do homework. I'm on POTABA 2 grams/2x a day, because 1g/4x a day doesn't work with my schedule. The PGE-1 has cleared out veins/improved bloodflow in general. Getting spontaneous erections all day, even on off-days. Won't measure for a few months, though.
Yes I did, but I wouldn't necessarily trust what they sell. Make sure you buy USP grade, or you're taking a risk with your health. There should be other sources available for only moderately cheaper that would be much safer.
I took that risk, but I've been taking a lot of risks lately.
I took that risk, but I've been taking a lot of risks lately.
I wouldn't worry about USP grade for PABA. PABA is just a B-vitamin, so the derivatives shouldn't be harmful. POTABA, on the other hand, is the potassium salt, and potassium can be dangerous. That's why USP grade is good for POTABA.
I'd try doing google searches for labs selling POTABA, and then email them to ask whether it's USP grade. Worst case scenario you could use City Chemical. I haven't had any side effects.
I'd try doing google searches for labs selling POTABA, and then email them to ask whether it's USP grade. Worst case scenario you could use City Chemical. I haven't had any side effects.
Yes you are correct but they are injecting that much bilaterally so they are in effect taking only half the total amount in each muscle. So when i siad that BB'rs take 20mcg, i meant per muscle so if the injected biceps... they would be injecting both side for a total of 40mcg per day.spinner2 said:
Acetic acid can/will kill tissues if the concentration is too high. What you mix with IGF should have an acetic acid concentration of only 100mM, which is very weak.
What most people don't realize is that once you inject something, nothing is truely localized in its effect. You will get systemic effects...
I don't say this to try and discourage you... i just want to make sure you're fully aware of what you're planning on doing so there are no surprises when you actually do it, that's all... I would personally like to know if PGF-2A makes a difference, i'm just not sure if i'm willing to suffer the sides.
Good reply on the acetic acid. Being able to safely mix with it will make IGF-LR3 much easier to add.sikdogg said:
From what I've read there is supposed to be some nausea associated with PGF-2a injections in the CC, however nothing like the diarrhea/vomiting that might happen if you a hit a vein on accident. This comes anecdotally, and this 'minimization-of-systemic-effects' is consistent with my PGE-1 experiences, so I'm going to believe it unless I see a lot of evidence or hear of people who experienced differently.
In any case it would be 6 months minimum before I began PGF-2a injections. I'll be a lot more well read on it, and prepared by then. I'll also know from my PGE-1 gains whether it will even be necessary.
No. From what I've read you don't want this stuff on your skin, it's toxic to breathe, etc. There are a bunch of problems that would get in the way. If there were an easy way, there would be caverject cream (because who wants to inject their dick?). This isn't even going into the possibility that the molecule is too big to pass through the skin.
You also need to be VERY precise with dose when using prostaglandins, and that's not easy with a transdermal.
You also need to be VERY precise with dose when using prostaglandins, and that's not easy with a transdermal.
I highly doubt that the dosage of PGF-2a that would be beneficial for Penis Enlargement would be as high as the doses that bodybuilders use (3-10mg/daily). I agree that you should wait until your injection technique is perfected before you even consider this, and wait it out to see if you even need it.
Pgf-2a is last resort for me with all of this. I'm going hard to get another few inches of length and girth within 1-2 years, so I can focus on some other stuff. A few of my plans (adult entertainment company startup, etc.) are contingent upon this, so I'm definitely gunning hard to finish soon on all of this. IGF-LR3 will happen by the end of the summer. I'll probably work infrared light in, too. I plan on using DMSO more regularly. I might even give andractim a shot.
spinner2 said:
You're starting a adult entertainment company?
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Back on track with injections.
Tip for all people attempting this: Keep an alcohol swab handy. After injection apply this swab with PRESSURE to the injection site for 5 minutes to stop bleeding. Even if there's not external bleeding, there's a good chance of some internal bleeding. This will prevent scar tissue formation.
Tip for all people attempting this: Keep an alcohol swab handy. After injection apply this swab with PRESSURE to the injection site for 5 minutes to stop bleeding. Even if there's not external bleeding, there's a good chance of some internal bleeding. This will prevent scar tissue formation.
I suppose that today you did your stretching following the injection?
Andractim is expensive, and to save a bit of money, you could listen to sikdogg and just dissolve DHT powder in DMSO as a transdermal application. You might increase systemic absorption slightly over andractim, but as SD pointed out, as long as you are erect during application, you will limit systemic absorption.spinner2 said:
IGF-1 LR3 and DHT are two very wise additions to the regiment. Best of luck.