stillwantmore said:
So, are we implying that cold wraps or perhaps a cup of ice water may be a good idea for post girth work??

I also wonder if taking say....oh, 200mg of Viagra might induce a temporary state of "super erection" mimicking Priapism? I know it's dangerous to mess around with this type of stuff....but, if done so in a very careful and controlled manner....why not? I've taken 100mg of Viagra before ....maybe ya could experiment say, over a week's time. Day one, you take 100mg of Viagra, day two you take 125mg, and so on. Upping the once a day dose of Viagra by 25mg until you found the "magic number" so to speak. This would all depend on how you respond individually to Viagra. Hmm......and with generic Viagra being equally as effective and yet, so much cheaper....it would be interesting.

Well if taking Viagra would induce the type of erection that would somewhat mimick Priapism then I guess we will be revisiting the old post that was about Penis Enlargement and Viagra link to gains huh?? It could be possible, also since DLD takes Viagra on a daily basis I believe and look at his stats. However for me I think Viagra would be too expensive for me to keep up everyday and I would also hope that I dont become Dependent on it when its time for sex.
 
I think that this cold wrap thing really has nothing to do with what this thread was about!!! Thanks a lot SWM!!! I got my eyes on you, you ghost turd!!! :D
 
Supra said:
HGH makes IGF-1 not the other way around.
In bodybuilding the use of insulin increases the effectiveness of HGH exponentially. Unfortunately, it increases the anabolism everywhere. That plus the water retention creates the preggo guts in BB's.
 
Myostat is a hormone that keeps our body from growing to fast, if you neutolize it, you will get bigger, faster
 
DLD was telling me that they are trying growth factor injects as a alternative to this micro revascularization surgery to help regrow arteries that are blocked and un block them
 
Supra said:
Myostat is a hormone that keeps our body from growing to fast, if you neutolize it, you will get bigger, faster
That is very true, We have seen a bunch of otc myostatin blockers that haven't promised what say they. The true blockers are the anabolics.
 
Supra said:
Hmm a male jigalo?
Okay, but being a pt the husbands happily and thankfully pay you. Then send them back to you with..........................more money!!!!!!!!!
I love that part.......much better then working in hospitals...less sick people, they are no fun
 
This thread has really been informative, and made me think allot! First I would like to say, that I am not as knowledgeable about hormones, nor sickle cell, etc., as some of the posters here, so what I will say now only reflects my personal view, and logic! After reading the post on this thread, about different growth hormones, and Priapism, it would appear that we all have experienced this before! How? Puberty! When we go through puberty, the body is in overdrive with growth hormones, it is also at this time, our sexual organs, start to really develop, and become active.

I remember as a kid going through this, I had erections all the time!!! In fact I used to wear a long coat during late spring, so as to hide my erections from my class mates! Even riding a bus on the bumpy country roads to school or to home would set it off!! I figure with the hormones being present, and promoting growth, and the constant erections that I had, it was nature's way of forcing my penis to grow, and taking advantage of the growth hormones! Eventually the erections settled down, and of course the growth hormones did as well. I think we all go through this.

Now the question is! How do we mimic this now, years later?Here's what I have put together.
1. Take a growth hormone that will effect penis growth.
2. Take some Viagra or a generic version daily in a controlled fashion.
3. Develop a clamping system that will allow blood in, but not out completely, and not have adverse effects, such as tissue death.
4. Edge before applying the special clamp!


It just makes sense that if your penis was on a growing spurt, during puberty, with all the hormones present, and the frequent erections, then this would appear to be the answer. Of course if there was a way to increase the thickness and size of the blood cells in the penis, and force the body to hypertrophie the penis, as it happens in people that suffer from sickle cell, then this could be an option! But your also dealing with the inner and outer flow of blood, how do you control that naturally without clamps, like the sickle cell sufferers?

So the questions are: How do you make your blood cells bigger, and thicker in the penis, and how do you keep them there? Any ideas on all of this?

Girthius
 
That was a great post. For me this is what I need to do. I have to get my unit to 100% working order. First I am going to restore my foreskin. Second Have this surgery.

I think many things that I have covered and brought to this forum and gotten widley spread will top all of these to the T

1. I am going to try IGF-1LR3 to get the growth stage back 30-50mcg's a day
2. Use My Ring of Power to to feed and work with the IGF-1LR3
3. Supra Slammers are the best exercises to do this with, it combinds a progressive over load of blood and hormones to the penis.
4. Take Viagra work my way up on the dosage
 
Just what causes the blood cells to be bigger, and thicker in a person with sickle cell? Also is it only in the penis that this occurs? It wouldn't make sense if it only occurred in the penis, and then went back to normal size, once back into the mainstream!If they were over sized through the whole of the body, wouldn't this create a blockage or possible heart attack etc.? If indeed the cells change over to over sized cells, when they enter the penis, then what causes this?Or is it sickle cell itself that causes the cells to morph?It's almost as if these cells are getting to much of something, to cause them to be over sized!If we can determine if the cells are large only when in the penis, or throughout the body, then this would be a good starting point, to hopefully track down precisely the cause of this mutation.I'm not trying to play scientist, but we have to try to move forward, and try to find new ways of enlargement!

Girthius
 
tons of data is regarding the effectiveness of growth hormone, but just as much is the facts of the negative, irreversible mutations and other side effects.
I think i will keep tabs on this thread.
Whatever you plan to do, make sure you do it safe.
 
BusterSword said:
tons of data is regarding the effectiveness of growth hormone, but just as much is the facts of the negative, irreversible mutations and other side effects.
I think i will keep tabs on this thread.
Whatever you plan to do, make sure you do it safe.
But to reach the level that would bring on the onset of acromegaly....would be a real lot. 12+ iu's a day for a long time. Plus everything else to help it along. Also, there have been advancements so that is rarely the case. How many pro bodybuilders do you see with it these days...Paul Dillett nonwithstanding. I don't see how financially it would be possible.
 
girthius said:
This thread has really been informative, and made me think allot! First I would like to say, that I am not as knowledgeable about hormones, nor sickle cell, etc., as some of the posters here, so what I will say now only reflects my personal view, and logic! After reading the post on this thread, about different growth hormones, and Priapism, it would appear that we all have experienced this before! How? Puberty! When we go through puberty, the body is in overdrive with growth hormones, it is also at this time, our sexual organs, start to really develop, and become active.

I remember as a kid going through this, I had erections all the time!!! In fact I used to wear a long coat during late spring, so as to hide my erections from my class mates! Even riding a bus on the bumpy country roads to school or to home would set it off!! I figure with the hormones being present, and promoting growth, and the constant erections that I had, it was nature's way of forcing my penis to grow, and taking advantage of the growth hormones! Eventually the erections settled down, and of course the growth hormones did as well. I think we all go through this.

Now the question is! How do we mimic this now, years later?Here's what I have put together.
1. Take a growth hormone that will effect penis growth.
2. Take some Viagra or a generic version daily in a controlled fashion.
3. Develop a clamping system that will allow blood in, but not out completely, and not have adverse effects, such as tissue death.
4. Edge before applying the special clamp!


It just makes sense that if your penis was on a growing spurt, during puberty, with all the hormones present, and the frequent erections, then this would appear to be the answer. Of course if there was a way to increase the thickness and size of the blood cells in the penis, and force the body to hypertrophie the penis, as it happens in people that suffer from sickle cell, then this could be an option! But your also dealing with the inner and outer flow of blood, how do you control that naturally without clamps, like the sickle cell sufferers?

So the questions are: How do you make your blood cells bigger, and thicker in the penis, and how do you keep them there? Any ideas on all of this?

Girthius


Its a good idea to combine the viagra with a clamp. You'd just have to slowly increase the duration of clamp in the same way, and frankly I don't think you would need long. Like 5 minutes, then 5 minutes off, then get an erection, 5 minutes on again.

Also I wonder if clamps if you could very slowly over time increase the pressure at which they are clamping? Almost like some sort of hydraulic like thing heh. Or a higher gauge spring.

Like when you were larger and easily able to handle the say level 4 spring, instead of upping to 6 minutes instead of 5 minutes, you move to the level 5 spring. And maybe a thicker clamp, by this I mean more surface area touching your penis. I believe the viagra could keep it pretty hard, or other drugs.

Plus frankly taking viagra before bed, like a dosage you know you can safely handle, then seeing if it would give you more, longer duration, and harder night erections.
 
shojii said:
But to reach the level that would bring on the onset of acromegaly....would be a real lot. 12+ iu's a day for a long time. Plus everything else to help it along. Also, there have been advancements so that is rarely the case. How many pro bodybuilders do you see with it these days...Paul Dillett nonwithstanding. I don't see how financially it would be possible.

Ya, I'm sure high amounts of it would speed up your growth, but I don't think you need that to make huge growth.

Obviously it is added incentive to eat tons of proteins and healthy foods, get tons of sleep, get anaerobic exercise to push they hormones way up and so on.
 
girthius said:
Now the question is! How do we mimic this now, years later?Here's what I have put together.

1. Take a growth hormone that will effect penis growth.
2. Take some Viagra or a generic version daily in a controlled fashion.
3. Develop a clamping system that will allow blood in, but not out completely, and not have adverse effects, such as tissue death.
4. Edge before applying the special clamp!

Number 1 here is not something that one should try to tamper with. The discussion on hormones in this thread is superficial at best and since the interaction of various hormones in the body is not fully understood there's a much better chance of hitting detrimental side-effects than penile tissue growth. And thinking about the issue as if there's one hormone for penile tissue growth doesn't work. It is much more complex than that since the various hormones have different actions in different places in the body and you can't really administer hormones to be site-specific.

Now, points 2, 3 and 4 aren't bad. As I posted something similar to number 3 previously in this thread I endorse it. Number 4 is also good but I suggest actually doing a full girth routine before applying the clamp (including edging) to allow for maximum engorgement. The Viagra thing is sound thinking but not something that healthy males really should get into. Especially if we're talking a larger-than-average dosage. It might work to take anabolic supplements since they are designed to increase the body's own output of anabolic hormones and testosterone especially. This will lead to better erections because your libido increases.

Most penis pills claim to have ingredients that would do this as well, the same ingredients in any anabolic supplement really, but since they are less than reputable and there's no controlling body that checks their contents it's somewhat of a shot in the dark to try. I've tried Maxaman a few times and did get the benefits from an increased production of testosterone: I was much stronger in the gym, my bodyfat actually went down without any change in training and eating schedule, and I was having better and more frequent erections. But I would still recommend an anabolic, i.e. testosterone-enhancing, supplement from one of that larger companies like Twinlab.

Now, increasing the size of the blood cell is not something you want to do. This is not limited to the penis and is actually one of the reasons that sickle-cell anemia is, at times, an extremely painful disease. Increasing the flow of blood to the penis could work, but for heaven's sake, do not try to increase the size of blood cells to match the condition of sickle-cell anemia.
 
Man Supra, you got balls but chill out with experimenting with hormones.

I seriously don't want anyone here to get setback or screw themselves over because they tried to reinvent the wheel with hormones.
 
I take about1/16 of a silagra tablet each day! I have only been doing it for three days now, and I find that my flaccid girth and length bigger! It stays somewhat pumped throughout the day, and during my routines. I'm still working on the correct amount, as I may increase the intake of the silagra, with the addition of some herbal pills(ginsing etc.)! Also I wear the ROP, and that helps as well!

Girthius
 
Supra said:
Sweet, what you think about the IGf-1 LR3?

To be honest I don't really know anything about IGF-1. I had read it was a big hormone, but I didn't even know that growth hormone was a precursor to it.

My plan is more to go on roids when I'm older. Like say I'm 50, and don't have to worry about the side effects that much, plus can see a bigger gain.

I also don't think the side effects of most steroids are as bad as most say. I've seen guys who have been on steroids a long time, and they are fine.

The body is very resiliant. It has lots of mechanisms to stay alive and functional, its pretty hard to mess it up. The type of guys who get messed up, take things to ridiculus extremes.

This one guy I was reading about, was going for Mr. Olympia. He had the body of superman.. the comic version. He was nailing every woman in the gym, and many others in the city.

He was making insane gains on the weights, and eating like a pig, but gaining no fat. However it turns out he was taking 3 times the amount of steroids that they give to a race horse. Horses are over 1500 pounds. And the race horses get classic steroid problems later on, because the owners just want to win the races, so they don't stay at safe levels.

This guy was able to take so much, because it turns out his workout partner was a vetrenarian. Oh ya he never bothered cycling them, he just stayed on them for 2.5 years straight.

Having said that, I know of some guys who were on steroids abusing them for quite a while, and haven't taken them for many years, but have no real side effects.
 
randolf said:
To be honest I don't really know anything about IGF-1. I had read it was a big hormone, but I didn't even know that growth hormone was a precursor to it.

My plan is more to go on roids when I'm older. Like say I'm 50, and don't have to worry about the side effects that much, plus can see a bigger gain.

I also don't think the side effects of most steroids are as bad as most say. I've seen guys who have been on steroids a long time, and they are fine.

The body is very resiliant. It has lots of mechanisms to stay alive and functional, its pretty hard to mess it up. The type of guys who get messed up, take things to ridiculus extremes.

This one guy I was reading about, was going for Mr. Olympia. He had the body of superman.. the comic version. He was nailing every woman in the gym, and many others in the city.

He was making insane gains on the weights, and eating like a pig, but gaining no fat. However it turns out he was taking 3 times the amount of steroids that they give to a race horse. Horses are over 1500 pounds. And the race horses get classic steroid problems later on, because the owners just want to win the races, so they don't stay at safe levels.

This guy was able to take so much, because it turns out his workout partner was a vetrenarian. Oh ya he never bothered cycling them, he just stayed on them for 2.5 years straight.

Having said that, I know of some guys who were on steroids abusing them for quite a while, and haven't taken them for many years, but have no real side effects.

Those are good stories, perfect to convince dumb kids to juice, but there are alot of things going on that you may not notice for years while juicing.

Such as androgens fucking up your lipid profile and cholesterol for starters.. and those sides aren't ones that affect some and not others.
Also, after coming off of 2 and a half years or whatever, you'll be lucky if you get testosterone being produced again.

Oh yeah don't forget enlagement of your heart, which has occured in steroid abusers. I don't really need to explain why thats bad hehe.

Another fun thing steroid abusers can develop is sleep apnea. Basically you stop breathing in your sleep for several minutes, maybe forever... either that or wear an oxygen mask every night when you sleep or get surgery on your throat..

I'm not saying this will happen if you take steroids, but don't make it sound like you can abuse them and still come out good as new, because that's when you will get the more serious side effects.
 
Supra, 1 month on, and 1 month off sounds like a good idea, just to see how it goes. I did buy a month supply of HGH patches, just to see if they had any effect, by which I did feel better during the trial. They recommend that you need to take the patches a least 6-12 months, before you see optimal results. I am thinking about buying some more and committing to it this time, but I am unsure if HGH would be the route to go, perhaps the IGF-1 LR3 is the way to go? I do know that just a months supply of HGH was expensive!This weekend I will order one of these, and also stock up on some more herbs, and also silagra, and look into buying the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]Tugger[/words].

Girthius
 
GH is expensive as hell, don't bother with that.
IGF-1 is some serious shit, you better know what you're doing. I've done all kinds of steroids but I'm not going near that stuff..
 
Your going to buy IGF-1 LR3 ? It is way cheaper and way more effective. The protien from IGF-1 LR3 last in your body up to 16 hours while regular IGF-1 and HGH are only a few minutes
 
I just ordered IGF-1LR3, Testosterone Depot, and Clomid

I am going to take the IGF-1 5 on 2 off 50mg's a day

Testoterone Depot 200mg's a week

Clomid Every Day

And 2 Ring of Power 24/7, one around the balls and one around the balls and penis

Here comes the expereiment. I will continue to Penis Enlargement as well and have a hardcore workout rouitne in the gym. My penis is going to get absoluty huge
 
AncientChina said:
Supra you are one crazy bad ass motherfucker!!! rofl I mean that in the best way.

How much did the Test, IGF and Clomid cost out of curiousity.

2 rings of power ehhh. I may have to copy you on that one. rofl

I am doing my own expermient, but I know a Former Marine that owns a reasearch company so I goot hooked the fuck up

I am doing this to see if it helps tremedously with gains and fixing my problems
 
Thanks man, the first time I took roids, I was stupid and did not do anything right, this time I know everything and have books and books and lots of forums and expereince now!! I will succeed
 
Supra said:
Thanks man, the first time I took roids, I was stupid and did not do anything right, this time I know everything and have books and books and lots of forums and expereince now!! I will succeed


Good. I didnt want to see it happen again. If anyone is ever thinking about doing steroids make sure you know what you are doing!
 
So Supra, where did you manage to get the IGF-1LR3? What else would be needed to go with this? If possible, I may join you on this adventure!!

Girthius
 
shojii said:
HGH, works best with a synergist. It alone and the amount of IU's it would take is incredible. The cheapest kit of real HGH is gonna run you about $1000
a month. Don't forget to get it from a DR. because most guys will fuck you with HCG. It looks the same but at 1/100th the price. It works great with test. And the shutting down of your own testosterone is lessened but, Look at all the people taking it. No mega-penises. Not trying to be negative, I just work with a lot a national caliber BB's and athletes and it doesn't work that way. The theory isn't bad, but in application it doesn't happen.

$1000??? Someone's getting raped. You just have to know where to look. :blahblah:
 
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