Quote : """"I was talking to some people in the thread about the guy who says he grew 2 inches in 2 months from 300 jelqs per week (or something like that). All I can go on is my own personal experience of when I perfomed a lighter routine with rest days...3 months and nothing but disillusioned with Penis Enlargement!
I cant see how something so light is going to effect such tough tissue, afterall if it was so sensitive the more errectons you had the bigger it would grow.""""""
@gymjohn:
Well I CAN see how something so light can effect such a tough tissue :
Think about this scenario : You have a dick that is new to Penis Enlargement. The girth and length of your erections are the same - every day.
Now for once you get erect and use a cable clamp to, clamp of at the base, wait a couple of minutes and what happens ?
Your length and girth are instantly (though temporarily) significantly increased, up to 0.25 - 0.5 inch, PAST your natural everyday erection size !
Why ? Inner Pressure build up ! Agreed ? ok... so infact this "oh so tough tissue" is not as tough as u say it is. Its elastic and expandable, within sensible limits. Good !
So what makes your Penis expand naturally to its natural erect size ?
THE inflowing BLOOD and the Pressure Build up by the arterial system !!
How that works?? In most simple terms : Blood flows in through the arteries , while at the same time the bloodoutflow is clamped of (veins are decreased in their diameter because they get squashed between the tunica and the expanding (through blood filling) erectile tissues, so the veins allow less blood to escape than enters , thus pressure build up happens. )
Imagine blowing up a big baloon that is made of THICK rubber - You can BLOW in air so the balloon FILLS OUT its form (=natural erection) , but You have TO PRESS with your lungs to make it (the thick rubber walls , alias the tunica) EXPAND ! (as we did before in the example with the cable clamp).
Naturally,without manual help (clamps or squeezes) - ONLY with your penis, you CAN'T get past that "blowing in part", because what you have as blood system and bloodflow ratios (inflow/outflow) - IS WHAT YOU HAVE ! Thats what you have to work with ! There is no inner "lungs" that could PRESS and cause more pressure... (ok a pelvic muscle clamp would do that but, again only temporarily ...) so lets continue :
You want my opinion on how growth occurs ? DLD correctly told HALF of the story above my post, let me tell you the other half and also how growth SHOULD occur in the Penis !
Why: many people gain quickly through short, light but correctly performed routines with many rest/off time.
How: Newbie gains occur. How they cement and how they loose it if not cemented. Why many Penis Enlargement'rs actually become dependent on their Penis Enlargement routine, to have a somewhat good erection, wich they loose if they do too much Penis Enlargement or stop Penis Enlargement. Why some people never gain:
Keep in mind my first example wich is omni-true for 100% of all penis wielding ninjas on this forum , capable of an erection: It will temporarily become alot bigger if manually clamped, it would rip/injure if expanded to far AND (second example) it CAN'T be expanded past the "blowing in - filled out" state NATURALLY.
Third example : The further you expand the baloon (alias the tunica) the THINNER become the formerly thick rubber walls and the THINNER becomes the Tunica. Also the thinner it becomes the more FLEXIBLE it is and the more FLEXIBLE and THINNER it is - the more prone to ripping/injuring it becomes.
Also in the BALOON scenario , we have the incoming air wich is increasing and expanding/thinning the thick rubber walls and in the Penis EnlargementNIS we have the erectile tissues/cells wich expand and stretch and thin out the tunica.
So in a Penis Enlargement GROWTH scenario, it is NEVER the tunica that grows (IF AT ALL!!! ) but the erectile tissues, wich expand into bigger and bigger sizes while the tunica keeps on thinning and increasing it flexibility/elasticity [and AGAIN we skipped one step, the increasing of the erectile tissues is only a result a nessessary consequence of SOMETHING else, wich MUST increase prior to this. (more on this later further down...its pretty much the spoiler : ) ! ) ]
The more elastic it is while in extanded/erected state - the more tension is in this tissue and the better is the erection, because of severe vein off clamping, logic eh ? A perfect erection has similar wall strength as a bone.
Naturally ( without Penis Enlargement ), in all normal aging men the tunica walls thicken more and more, while the tunica looses more and more of its elasticity, thus resulting in ED sooner or later. This process is valid for everyone but can be somewhat slowed down if they USE it or LOOSE and quickened if they stay away from sex dont use it and just loose it and completely reversed if they Penis Enlargement it.
So how does growth occur ? Lets put everything together and answer all of the other questions, as promised from above:
So here comes the SPOILER , the FIRST nessassery step , prior to erectile tissue enlargement (wich is the SECOND step wich DLD already completely described): Ladies and gentleman :
It is the ARTERIES !!! To be more specific its the elasticity of the arterys.
How does Growth occur in Penis Enlargement scenario ?
When you work out your penis, you work out your ARTERIES FIRST.
Remember the "cable clamp trick" ? Well when you clamp/push/squeeze its the ARTERIES , the arterial walls that expand first, when they expand they become more elastic, (remember what BIB said - the penis is the only part of our body where we can perform manual angioplastic, wich is true !!!! )
When they become more elastic, their diameter increases upon incoming pressure easier , thus allowing for more blood inflow !
The more blood inflow happens the stronger the erectile tissues and cells are stressed and stretched !
Notice this can only happen with manual, added pressure such as Penis Enlargement, a clamp , or a jelq or my safe favourite: a long kegel under 5gh in a gauge pump.
And this is "the magic growth zone" because the other side is the natural erection zone/capability/pressure - where nothing changes or growth by itself because its already enlarged to what it can pressure up. Understand ?
If this is done frequently (I dont mean intense or daily or for hours, NO! just frequent, steady, again and again) you will train your arteries to be more elastic, they will allow more blood to pass through , also quicker ! The Arteries will train the erectile cells to expand -----> what DLD described above will happen sooner or later: the cells will catch up with the arteries and devide and expand and third step: once the cells start to devide and grow and fill out the penis, they will also logically stretch out the tunica more and more with each erection and each gain , while the tunica thinns out more and more, giving more space allowing for more and more size from within.
I say the Tunica doesn't really grow. Its not capable of it. It can stretch , thin and thicken through deformation or as in aging men a lack of usage and a lack of deformation (lack of elasticity).
The very same with the
ARTERYS W I D T H WISE ! Arteries can grow to great length , we all know of angiogenese and so on, but even at great length its still a THIN branch, allowing for slow blood flow. Look at your heart arteries, the aorta or arteries leading to big muscles , like the back , upper legs , the biceps...whats different from penis arteries ? They are HUGE in diameter, because they must be able to allow quick , massive bloodflow upon usage of this organ or muscle.
Logic , that the organs/muscle we use the most have the biggest, thickest arteries , while something like the outer ear has tiny little branches of arteries.
So when you Penis Enlargement you make the Penis an important organ, and tell the body again and again that it has to get a fuckin better connection ! Fuck isdn we want cable...or direct uplink like DLD :-D
Notice that the body already knows that the penis is very important reproductive organ, thats why its one of the few parts of the body backed up many times by its own arterial system wich has also smooth muscle tissues.
Smooth muscle tissue. What a pitty that our body doesnt know that we are all obsessed with our flaccid SIZE... with smooth muscle cells sitting on the walls of the penile arteries ( while being in small flaccid state) we can go from tiny branches to very big arteries in a matter of seconds UPON AROUSAL ! what about locker rooms...
But yes we want more than what our body thinks is good or sufficiant for reproduction !
SO the arteries don't permanently grow width wise , they adopt. And they can adopt back. Just like the tunica.
So what DOES grow permanently ? What CAN be cemented ?
Its those second step cells. If you do Penis Enlargement for long enough, they will devide again and again and u will end up with a big penis, but thats not the end of the story...the lucky window time frame of a healthy permanent gain is very short and depends on many circumstances. Let me explain by answering (though u should be able to answer them urself by now) those questions from above why Penis Enlargement is a Gamble and so very unfair to some of us while it seems to bless others, and why techniques , routines and gains and Penis Enlargement'ers are NOT comparable to each other, and damn yes why it works :-D :
1. Why: many people gain quickly through short, light but correctly performed routines with many rest/off time.
2. How: Newbie gains occur.
3 .How they cement and how they
4. loose it if not cemented and why u loose some even IF you correctly cemented.
5 . Why many Penis Enlargement'rs actually become dependent on their Penis Enlargement routine, to have a somewhat good erection, wich they loose if they do too much Penis Enlargement or stop Penis Enlargement. 6. Why some people never gain
7. Why you dont have the same erection with even 22 as you had in your teens (Everdeclining..) .
8. What is nessesary for a good erection(Viagra hehe) ? What is nessesary for a good natural erection and what kind of body is a good environment for penis growth AND MOST IMPORTANTLY KEEPING THE GROWTH AAAAAAAAND THE NATURAL 100% ERECTION ?
9 What is the safest method of Penis Enlargement
10. Why was saying...
QUOTE: """Now for me this is kind of enough proof that rest isnt much of a factor (at least rest days/days off), and may even indicate to me that to cause significant growth a serious heavy training schedule of at least an hour plus per day with no days off is the best bet...ie overtraining may be a factor in causing significant gains!? hence DLD...the legend!"""""""
...a dumb thing to say, as in "this guy jumped of the bridge AND sirvived - LETS ALL JUMP FROM THE BRIDGE !" :-D
11. How do hourglass dicks occur ?
12. Why does girth work shorten the dick and length work thin it ?
13. Why do gains go away ?
14. The role of peak arousal ?
15. How can you keep your gains forever ? Incase you was lucky enough to get the CORRECT GAINS, and what are correct gains ?
16. Winners of Penis Enlargement - Loosers of Penis Enlargement and Why are we all uncomparable
1 + 2. Because, this first change in diameter of the arteries happens QUICKLY (deformation and angioplasty through pressure from within NOT cell devision), and bring the visible results,as in newbie gains, but the cells of the erectile tissues need alot more time of this frequent again and again action to catch up. And even then its not END of the story. Thats the biggest flaw of Penis Enlargement. Why is light better ? Because taking light action sufficiant enough to create that magic expansion (further than natural) again and again is all that need to boost the arteries , wich will boost the cells and so on...overtraining will only weaken all structures involved and make you more prone to injury.
3 + 4.
A semi-cementation happens when you Penis Enlargement for a long enough amount of time, wich can be antyhting from 3 - 6 - 9 - 12 month. By this time (and lets assume the ideal as in no injuries, perfect health and nothing menthal)
You should have grown enough material, also you still have your extra wide arteries, and by now most probably new ones too , through angiogenese and the need to support the new build tissues with oxygen and nutrients...little intersections , cross links, and so on , everything adding to circulation, visual size and inner pressure.
Real cementation happens when you stop Penis Enlargement completely for atleast a year. (And admit it suckers, almost no one would ever do this , why because you depend on it , why thats the nature of it unless u was lucky ? more on this later).
After 1 year full stop. Your main arteries will have narrowed again, because thinking you could lay back forever with your 8x6 you didn't perform the manual angioplasty for more pressure from within, thus they have no reason to remain in that state, so u loose some girth (a little only of course) and even less loss in length.. less overall pressure , less overall length..
Still you get keep most of total size and the width of the arteries and the extra inflow, because of all the new cells that devided and wich you created, those cells plus your old cells equal a higher demand for oxygen and nutrients, than just your old penis so logically to support that your gains are kept. And the dsl connection you established remains yours.
Does this yet say anything about erection or erection quality ? Hell no ! Im only speaking about the new fillable size and what you theoretically could/should/would have if you had an ideal dick and health wich is almost never the case for all of us here...
5. Most people become dependend on regular Penis Enlargement to keep their good erections, wich happen to come either due work out or on the off days, but inbetween and when they stop for longer its almost mild to medium ED.
Well thats because Penis Enlargement is a gamble , everyones dick is unique , and the tissues its made of have a different strength, different setup , different layout and amount of arteries, crosslinks , veins, everyones reaction is different to a certain excersize, while some seem to develope in all areas equally, many get those enlarged vein (those for outflow) wich are no problem at all while ON a Penis Enlargement routine, due to the wide arteries and much greater inflow, and a great ability to clamp those big veins off, but when they stop, this ability declines somewhat and then results in things like weak head , or softer erection , or less staying power and so on. because no matter what you do your veins, if deformed for a long enough amount of time DEFINETLY will be worn out and not narrow again, also the valves most likely will be damaged too. So whattayagotta do , again balance the ratio of inflow / outflow to the advantage of the arteries and keep peeing f0r your lucky high pressure days...
Thats the truth for most here and NOT..3 month workout 2 inch gains and quit Penis Enlargement forever...people need to understand how high the risk is. Im not even starting on worn out tunicas or fibrosis, tissue scarring and so on, just one single artificially enlarged vein that used to be a tiny cross link between upper superficial veins and lower deep veins, can be enough to cause you a soft dick for life...this sucker will be draining and draining...cos at this site it dont get clamped of anymore..
6. Because of our oh so different genetic make up. We all know that for example the tunica is a tough mofucker to stretch but, HOW hard differs from person to person, for some the pain limit is reached already before any good expansion has taken place, so they never get in that magic zone, some simply dont have the nessassery blood supply to fill out the new temporary space, eventhough they perform technique correctly and consistently the gains arent coming because on the off time their arteries vanish back to normal before they can affect the cells, also bad health, poor eating , drinking and thinking can all effectivly counter any attempts at Penis Enlargement, for those people overtraining would be good, but hey what if they cant take it the pain treshold is simply a different one than that of the few lucky ones here...
7. Again a thing I saw a zillion times here. People come asking question about Penis Enlargement or ED or whatever and as a gauge for what they should have in the early , middle to late 20ties, they use their memmory of their erections in puberty.
Guys, in puberty u had zillion times the hormones, also u was raised by mamma and pappa, wich for most people ( and im not bashing anyone poor or rich , just saying generall) meant good regular food, no worries no menthal problems , just school and friends...(i know u all have ur storys but this is true for most) then u turn 18 or 19 (again most mcuh younger), discover partys, alkohol , weed, fall in love and stress urself out, work harder , maybe 2 jobs eat worse and worse AND THEN U EXPenis EnlargementCT YOUR DICK TO STAND LIKE IT USED TO BE FRESH of the belt ??? after years of puttin shit in your body and fuckin up your menthal... NO ! Its everdeclining...from that time in your puberty it just goes down...how slowly is up to you...
8. A good overall Health and a Happy mind, also AROUSAL, even if you are mister superhealth, and mister super healthy dick, if you fuck around too much without enjoying it or watch too much adult entertainment without fantasizing you will condition yourself to have medium hard erections and premature ejaculation...
if something is RARE we desire it...if something is too rare we forget about it
...and if something is there ALL the time we DON't VALUE IT unless we make an effort...thats true for realtionships love AND sex but making an effort will not make u have a better erection... balance in your life will...
Also using your penis for what it was made for : Sex ! Dick in Pussy , mouth ass whereever u put it is a better place than cable clamps, stretchers and the other torture shit my fellow masochists here come up with daily with...
Truth is the simple act of Penis Enlargement is already admitting that u need to do something to become something FOR someone. Wich is never You. Yes You can lie to the forum , to your friends, lovers and even your concious mind, but deep down in your subconcious you know that what you are doing right now is NOT the best time spend, its an investment u are willing to take in expectancy of all the fun to come (who says it will ? )....and NO its not for you..u could orgasm with a 0.5 inch erect dick and have the same result as someone with 1 foot...its an orgasm
Real women in real love dont give a fuck about your size so why bother for dumbass bitches that dont know better..or locker rooms, or to shut up the pain caused by some stupid person years ago...why make yourself a slave of something rather than using it for fun.. ah well...to each his own eh...
9.
As I said many times : Pumping @ 90% continous hardness 10 minutes daily, at 5 gh with a gauge while holding a kegel, normal or reverse.
This is most safe , and most natural (simulates the sucking on the dick by an aroused pussy while exiting it or getting a BJ with sucking action) three dimensional expansion from within..and no superstress on one part resulting in too big or too little bases, to big or too little heads , deformed dicks and so on.. plus its even the cheap bastard ( my ! ) way of instantly having a supergain..this artificial pump stays the whole day, while your arteries adapt and your cells stretch..before you even gain you already get a visual everyday gain..what else can u ask for ???
pumping alone will cause fluid build up , but if u stay hard all the time AND hold a kegel there is NO space for fluid to build up anywhere, u just expand your inner tissues and stretch everything !
10. cos the author (as many others before him) of this piece of text forgets that eventhough flattery , admiration and respect for DLD IS a good thing and he definetly earned it - IT IS HIS WAY... he is unique , what he DID can tried to be repeated or attempted but WHO has done it yet ??? how many double long daddys we have here ? i know one , okay...how many injured people we have in the booboos section (what a fuckin name , like if ED is a boo boo...), how many non gainers we have, how many people who just lurk and fuck themselves up and dont even dare to write we have...i think more than one..
how many young people ( 15 - 25) are WASTING THEIR LIFETIME...tortuering and gambling their dicks instead of aaaaah ssss push it push it goood...
don't get me wrong I love this forum , its a wonderfull place with great guys, i just think we should educate people especially newcomers, not ONLY about HOW to enlarge the dick and make it seem like its cake and a mustdo must have but WHY ? Why enlarge the dick ? What is the real risk ? What is the real gain ? Is it worth it in everycase , hell no !! See ?
This kind of FAIR attitude (preferably by all , especially the veterans) would really set this forum apart from everything else and put it on a whole new level.
11. This hourglass effect show in either weak states or in semi erect states, if u damged your dick like this: Here is what you did.. the arteries at the thinnest point of the hourglass are narrowed due to injury, a sclerosis has taken place, the blood rush in at high speed, up to this point than is stopped and then it flows again somewhat faster..logically at the point of injury its less girthy. The effect doesnt show in erect state because the overall pressure compensates for the middle part , and blows up everything, but semi hard without much pressure, while its filling , it looks pretty fucked up , so u can rather let it heal..or attempt a Penis Enlargement move to manually try to correct it if needed. Its unfair however, that people ..to whom this happens definetly feel a change and see a difference , but when they go to th eurologists he cant find anything wrong, well its because he cant easily visualize the length and width of your arterialo and venous system , the procedere to do this is very invasive, so as long as you can piss and have a pulse at the tip of your dick he will send your damaged ass home with viagra and cialis.
12. Again its the arteries. If you work girth , for example horse squeeze, concentrated doubled hand jelqs or anything that stresses the middle part , äHydromax well it stresses the middle part
this widens the arteries and the tissues there localy because u take the head somewhat out of the pressure zone...
ofcourse vice versa if you work length and stretch your extra wide arteries for long enough they will narrow resulting in a thinner longer dick.
For most people long
hanging sessions like with the bib result in temporary ED in different degrees, while short manual stretching session have a positive effect. I think due to the short starvation of the whole penis of blood..it turns white and cold and blood is pressed out , but then it returns even better and flushes everything new in oxygen and nutrients and hormones while the rest goes out while stretching, also maybe because stretching without overdoing it , is also a form of angioplasty and also is able to even out some areas where the blood couldnt pass so well due to plaque and so on...
13. I read about veterans from 5-6 years ago who already at that time had accomplished their goals, kept their gains for years but then after 4-5 years returned reporting that they lost alot. These people quit completely, thinking they ha dmore than enough gains.
I think its because even if you manage to keep the gains and cement them, for a year or too, overtime the new cells will degenerate (if not worked) while at the same time the arteries will narrow because the demand for extra blood is lower and lower due to lesser and lesser cells. Or the cells become lesser and lesser because the humans overall health decreases , menthal , drugs , aging, life
so they dont get sufficiant oxygen and nutrients so they die...
14.
Remember before adult entertainment ? You just saw a girl, a glimpse of a shoulder and u was rock. You went home closed your eyes your face blushed from the excitement and again you was rock. Thats the kind of arousal perfect for a spontanious killer erection. Contrary if you look at 1000 photoshopped HQ model pussys daily, don't wonder if a REAL woman will not turn you on as much...thus result in a limper erection...whatch out what u condition your dick and mind to be and how to react to certain stimulus.. good news is ..the human being can get used to everything and also can get OFF everything..each takes eaqual amount of time...if u jerked for 3 years...stay away from adult entertainment for 3 years while chasing real women hehe !!
15 + 16 The winners and the looser
The winner in a succesfull Penis Enlargement scenario is a guy who was lucky and sensible enough to enlarge his 6x5 to 8x6 , safely over a short period of time.
His veins did not become overly enlarged due to good vein genetics and health. He did not injure himself nor rush things. He cemented his gains and kept a light maintainence routine but mainly focusing on his charakter and life having fun havin lots of sex with beautiful women, thus putting the thing to work AND working the new cells and the circulation. He did not get venous leaks. He did not wearout his tunica nor get it too stiff from scar tissue, no thrombosed veins , dots , blisters, sclerosing lymphangitis, fibrosis, scarring, or loss of gains, even no loss of feeling , or slight numbness, or dripping precumm all over the place , premature ejaculation ? nope , strained his pc muscles for a month ? not ripped his urethra , drippin with blood, no peyronies and nothing menthal, no obsessions or problems with the self view...really a cool guy... brave eh ? How he knew it would work out like this ? Anyone knows this guy ? Where is he...
All in all, to get back to the initial intention of this post:
We shouldn't see growth and erections as a result of mechanical pullings and squeezing
but much more vivid as a result of life flowing through our body - thats what u need to back up and fill out your mechanical gains...mind , body , and dick is one union where one cant be perfect without the other. So if you Penis Enlargement very good for 10 minutes , daily , u should also eat very good for atleast 10 minutes and drink and think and sport and talk and fuck and walk u get the picture eh , do everything needed to keep you in balance.
