Started my injections today. First injection I estimated 7.5mcg as a good titration starting point. Estimation was excellent. It's been exactly 1 hour since injection and my erection is about 50% now, down from about 75%. It will be gone fairly soon. Tomorrow I'm going to shoot up with 10mcg and see how it goes. My beginning routine will probably be 10mcg shot 4 times per week. Potaba 4g/day, with 2g taken at once when I inject. 30 minutes-1 hour stretching per day, along with the use of DMSO before stretching some of the time. About 20mins of the stretching per day I plan to do with SD BIB hanging, along with light jelqing between and after sets. IGF-LR3 will probably be added later on. Measurements will be done maybe every two months. My measurements have always been so all over the map I don't really trust them too much. I'll probably just measure BPFSL gains, since those are the most reliable. I expect gains to be 'square' (length gains~girth gains). If this isn't the case I'll make a note.
PGE-1 Injection Progress Thread
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sounds great. Keep up the good work.
Great to see you have started your new routine Spinner 
I was useing 10 mcgs a while ago but had to stop because i went on hoildays,i noticed a small increase in length not much it was probley because my erections were so strong,only takeing it for 2 weeks aswell,i was only takeing Caverject by itself with no potaba because i found it to hard to obtain were did you get yours from Spinner???
I feel this is the form of Penis Enlargement that im going to performing when i get back along with added stretches and hopefully Potaba
I was useing 10 mcgs a while ago but had to stop because i went on hoildays,i noticed a small increase in length not much it was probley because my erections were so strong,only takeing it for 2 weeks aswell,i was only takeing Caverject by itself with no potaba because i found it to hard to obtain were did you get yours from Spinner??? I feel this is the form of Penis Enlargement that im going to performing when i get back along with added stretches and hopefully Potaba
Two weeks is too early to make any sort of decision. Finding POTABA is pretty easy. Just do a Google search for Potassium P-Aminobenzoate. Make sure you get USP grade. There are a handful of sources out there.8incyclops said:Great to see you have started your new routine Spinner
I feel this is the form of Penis Enlargement that im going to performing when i get back along with added stretches and hopefully Potaba
The pain, however, is a physiological indication that he should proceed no further, or if he does, very cautiously. I think adding a pain-killer would foolish at this stage wherein he is endeavoring to determine an appropriate dose for injections. Good luck Spinner, you're certainly a tasteful pioneer.
jqsderrida said:
i think the pain he is experiencing is due to the PGE-1 (causes inflammation = pain), taking an ibuprofen would be ok and would not affect what you are trying to do. remember the primary goal is to stay engorged for 3-4 hours. in my personal opinion if it hurts too much to last that long then you should take the pain killer to allow you the correct amount of time.
Does anyone know how this situation is handled by our favorite medical professional - Dr. K. Adams? Would he simply reply, to a patient that is reporting pain, that this is a consequence of inflammation and is simply correctable by consuming (400grams+?) ibuprofen? I suppose that I'm more conservative than either of you and, based upon the limited amount of information contained in Spinner's last post about the extent of his pain, I would be remiss to just say 'ignore it' by eating some pain-killers and carry-on. However, perhaps this is how it is done. I'm new to the consideration of using PGE-1 as a method for enlarging the penis, and have not read into the subjective reports written by the few Penis Enlargement'ers who have attempted this technique. In short, I guess what I'm trying to say is: is it really safe to ignore the pain? - is this the tried-and-true method here?
Smertrios said:
Sodium bicarbonate? NaHCO3? Baking Soda?
Ken Adams now uses a quadmix, with chemicals added to reduce pain. PGE-1 is what's doing the work, though, and I wanted to keep everything as simple as possible. I don't mind the pain too much. It's the kind of pain synonymous with fast gains from my experience. More of an ache all around, with a bit of sharp pain towards the head that comes with tunica length gains. My LOT is slowly but surely raising, so I think the limiting factor on my length gains with the PGE-1 is going to be how fast I can stretch out my ligs.
Yep thats the stuff... I'll re-google it and see if I can find that info. I am sure the purity is much higher than the good-ol arm-and-hammer "refridgerator grade" =P
Found it! http://doctor.medscape.com/viewarticle/406375_3 - Google Search
The medscape website seems to let non-users login but only when connecting from google.com so you have to first click on the link above to search google then click on the search result to see the page I am referring to.
Read down to the part "Penile pain a problem." and you will find the following phrase about using Sodium Bicarbonate
Found it! http://doctor.medscape.com/viewarticle/406375_3 - Google Search
The medscape website seems to let non-users login but only when connecting from google.com so you have to first click on the link above to search google then click on the search result to see the page I am referring to.
Read down to the part "Penile pain a problem." and you will find the following phrase about using Sodium Bicarbonate
Wikipedia speaks of using a 9 parts to 1 lidocaine-sodium bicarbonate solution to relieve pain. The article you link to, does it mention how the NaHCO3 is prepared for, I suppose, sc injection?
you wouldn't happen to know of any sources for PGF-2a?
Also, what are media and receptor grades?
Also, what are media and receptor grades?
The PGE-1 has become more effective each time I've used it (probably improved bloodflow), so I actually need to lower the dose next time. In two days I'll try 5mcg and see how it goes. I still have a strong, painful erection after 3 hours. Fortunately it's starting to go down so I won't have to make an ER trip.
Any known contraindications for PGE-1?
Are you useing the Caverject twist then inject needles?? I also no how you feel when you inject into a vain dam its a massive shock to the system:O :O :O
Wow, I don't know if I would inject something that is only 75% pure, unless I was certain that the impurities were mostly benign....spinner2 said:
You can get PGF-2A here...goldmember said:
http://teamliferesearch.com/prostaglandins.html
I wouldn't inject that in my dick if i were you. It will make you sick to your stomach/puke and will give you diarrhea. Bodybuilders have been using this for year as it's supposed to be a great for bringing up lagging bodyparts, but most are wary of the sides.
Yes, I imagine the pain of PGF-2a would be more than the pain of PGE-1, and it is possible that it would nauseate you as well. I believe the worst side effects occur from systemic activity of the drug, not localized effect. So if you are careful to avoid veins, you shouldn't be as bad off. L. Rea advises that bodybuilders not inject systemically or near the intestines because of the risk of horrible diarrhea.
However, you could consider a mixture of PGF-2a along with PGE-1 to lessen the sides and increase gains. I heard (by word of mouth) that one of the early patent patients received PGF-2a and had much better results than those receiving the trimix treatments.
Add some Andractim and/or IGF-1 and it sounds like there's a recipe for a monster cock!
However, you could consider a mixture of PGF-2a along with PGE-1 to lessen the sides and increase gains. I heard (by word of mouth) that one of the early patent patients received PGF-2a and had much better results than those receiving the trimix treatments.
Add some Andractim and/or IGF-1 and it sounds like there's a recipe for a monster cock!
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jqsderrida, do you have a link to the wikipedia article?jqsderrida said:
Sodium bicarbonate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediagoldmember said:
Simply look under the 'medical-uses' section.
Here's another, really interesting link - http://www.ashp.org/s_ashp/docs/files/BufferedLidocaine.pdf
Did hanging for 30 minutes and stretching roughly 1 hour until I was fatigued. I just injected 5mcg and regret it already. Had some shrinkage from fatigue and think I may have injected too deep. It feels like I injected the urethra or something. I'm definitely having to learn fast with this stuff. My CS is slightly engorged, so I may have somehow hit that, even though I injected from the side. Slightly engorged all over, but no erection. No bloodflow cut off, so no real risks in any case. Just pain and inflammation.
Lesson 1- Don't stretch to the point of fatigue before I inject for the day.
Lesson 2- Make sure I don't inject too deep (so light jelqing if I have shrinkage before injection).
All I can say is I hope my body metabolizes this FAST. Definite burning through septum/urethra/CS from inflammation.
Lesson 1- Don't stretch to the point of fatigue before I inject for the day.
Lesson 2- Make sure I don't inject too deep (so light jelqing if I have shrinkage before injection).
All I can say is I hope my body metabolizes this FAST. Definite burning through septum/urethra/CS from inflammation.
I was reading in another thread that the CS and glans do not get engorged along with the CC when only the CC is injected. One suggestion made was to inject the glans with PGE1 as well... anyone tried this? I assume that since the CS is comparatively smaller than the CC that a smaller dose of PGE1 would be required.
Hmmm... I wonder if size increases of the CS would cause the "main vain" to decrease or increase in size.
Hmmm... I wonder if size increases of the CS would cause the "main vain" to decrease or increase in size.
This is not true... they do in fact get engorged, at least it has for me everytime i've injected PGE-1 and/or trimix. However, if i work myself to the point of ejaculation or have sex and ejaculate, the CC remains very erect but the CS and glans will go soft. It feels real wierd having sex in this condition...Smertrios said:
The problem with self-injecting (especially into the CC) is that it can be difficult to inject the right depth. It's so eay to go too deep... One thing i really liked when i got my supplies from Boston Medical is that they give you an automatic injector (similar to the Inject-ease) to make injections easier. You simply set the depth, push the button to poke the needle into yourself, and then you push the syringe plunger to deliver the dose. I have also found another autoinjector called the Autoject 2, this device automates the whole injection process.spinner2 said:
INJECT-EASE
Autoject 2
I have the inject ease injector. I just need to put on one of the spacers before I inject again.
There's also no reason to inject the CS, and that injection would be dangerous. A hard CS erection can cut off blood supply and cause cell death, which isn't an issue when injecting the CC. The main benefit of PGE-1 is it's effects on the tunica, as well. Because there's no tunica around the CS, PGE-1 won't help CS enlargement that much.
For CS enlargement, just do manual Penis Enlargement. For CC enlargement, chemical Penis Enlargement is better.
There's also no reason to inject the CS, and that injection would be dangerous. A hard CS erection can cut off blood supply and cause cell death, which isn't an issue when injecting the CC. The main benefit of PGE-1 is it's effects on the tunica, as well. Because there's no tunica around the CS, PGE-1 won't help CS enlargement that much.
For CS enlargement, just do manual Penis Enlargement. For CC enlargement, chemical Penis Enlargement is better.
That's good... If you set it so that no more than 1/4" of the needle protrudes past the Inject Ease barrel and don't press the barrel too hard into you penis before injecting, you should be fine. I typically just lightly touch the Inject Ease barrel to my shaft when injecting and never had any problems with over penetration.spinner2 said:
I don't want to hijack Spinner's thread but my protocol is as follows:Smertrios said:
- Injections done Mon/Wed/Fri containing PGE1/Trimix and 10mcg of IGF-1 with a goal of 3+ hour erection
- Once fully erect, topical application of 25% DMSO solution followed immediately with the application of DHT gel (1.25g)
- Once erection levels have gone down to ~70%, do ULI's and/or light clamping
- wear StaticStretcher for several hours after erection has completely subsided and/or StaticWrap overnight
- Do stretching routine or hanging on alternate days (Sun/Tues/Thu) to take advantage of existing fatigue.
Tried injection again and this time it was too shallow. I was pretty liberal with the use of spacers after my last injection. No big deal, I just injected around the skin, so I'm a bit sore in one spot but not enough pain to distract me from doing other things. I'll give the needle a bit more length and have another go tomorrow evening. I figure it'll be at least another week before I'm comfortable enough with all the details to settle into a consistent routine.
For those of you guys using DHT gel, I'd recommend getting legit Andractim for best results. You want the DHT to be localized as much as possible, and DMSO has a tendency to increase systemic absorption.
Back on track. Set the needle length to exactly 1/4" with the autoinjector spacers, and injected with light pressure. I've also found it necessary to be semi-hard to insure a good injection. I just injected 6.25mcg, and I'll note the effects. I plan on stepping up injections to 4-5 times per week, as opposed to every other day.