Polls

I tend to agree with this as well Swank. This most recent problem occured because Kong tried to defend or clarify a statement he did not make nor could have he have known any intent of that statement. Whether it was made to purposefully deceive or was just made out of hand. I only iniatially asked to which polls Graves was reffering to. That was it. I recall I was equally harsh and detailed as to my assesment of the Poll posted by you.

I also agree that Graves was very mature and level headed in his own reply and did not seem to take any offense that I could tell. And I take none as well concerning his reply. I think Graves and my statements are perfect examples of how things should be debated around here to begin with. He and I did not quote each other out of context nor did we put words in the others' mouth. I hope to continue discussions with Graves and I support his most of his opinions.

Without speaking for him, I seriously doubt DLD would condone the banning of a "Gold Level Support" member such as myself without me being way, way out of line and over board.



kooky

koooky said:

Just my two cents there [Priapologist ]. Also, I agree with almost everything else you said in your initial post and I hope you were not offended by my original post asking for a reference to your polling info.

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No, not at all. This is the kind of healthy debate that I enjoy and encourage. What I initially wrote about polls was written in good faith, but was admittedly scientifically weak once I delved into the source material this morning. I'm all for keeping everything above reproach.

Cheers!
Priapologist

Once again I agree, Grave(Whats with the name change???

I also have no doubt that your original intent was in good faith to Neo. If I had
felt that you were being intentional deceitful, I would have not be so respectful towards you and your statements. I look forward to continuing discussions with you and wish you well.

BTW, awesome starting size. How's things going with that? What methods are you currently using to reach your goal or are you backing of Penis Enlargement for awhile to pursue your FR goals?

your friendly neighborhood kookyman

Also, to all concerned, I did not mean to imply that I think my "Gold Level Support" status makes me above the law, I only meant that I have a proven track record for support of this board and I don't think I have ever gotten out of hand as per DLD's rules for it's members.

koooky said:

Once again I agree, Grave(Whats with the name change???

I also have no doubt that your original intent was in good faith to Neo. If I had
felt that you were being intentional deceitful, I would have not be so respectful towards you and your statements. I look forward to continuing discussions with you and wish you well.

BTW, awesome starting size. How's things going with that? What methods are you currently using to reach your goal or are you backing of Penis Enlargement for awhile to pursue your FR goals?

your friendly neighborhood kookyman

Also, to all concerned, I did not mean to imply that I think my "Gold Level Support" status makes me above the law, I only meant that I have a proven track record for support of this board and I don't think I have ever gotten out of hand as per DLD's rules for it's members.

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Due to a possible breach in my anonymity this morning at school (some guy snuck up and was peering over my shoulder while my screen name was up), I thought that it was best if my old nick died a sudden death.

Yes, I am usually very careful to either validate what I post or to qualify it by denoting it as opinion, conjecture, et cetera. I was in a hurry and trusted that the information was valid. Of course, polling really is nothing but opinions, so how valid is it anyway :s?

I too look forward to good, open dialog.

And, thank you for the compliment. Nature was kind to me. But, I still want more I have yet to see any erect gains, but I've gotten increased flaccid size, mostly from FR. I've got lots of extra skin rippling up behind my corona now, adding to girth, while my flaccid length has increased by ~0.5 inches. I've been doing FR for 7.5 weeks and Penis Enlargement for about 3 weeks, most seriously durning the past week due to the Newbie challange. I'm trying to balance both, though, so I don't loose the coverage that I have.

Cheers!

There is nothing wrong at all with asking for clarification or more data, kooky. However, there is a difference in saying, "Could you cite some of that information" and "I just gotta call bullshit on that one!" I'm not saying that was your exact words, but "BS" was stated somewhere, and my only intent is to head off the name-calling and nit-picking that so often flares up here in the FR forum. I just want to keep everything civil and concise. To be honest, I would love to see more polls myself, pro or con, but unfortunately they are pretty scarce as yet. Please keep in mind that we are all entitled to our opinions, and nobody has to "prove" anything if they don't feel like it. This is a free forum where everyone has the right to say what they think, so long as it isn't overly insulting.

That's great Kong. But that is exactly what I did.

My very first statement that started all of this was,
"I have never seen this and am not aware of any usable polls that show any preference."

I did not use the term BS until you got involved. If you remove all the banter between me and you, and only insert the recent dialog between me and O2B, you will find a nice, open-minded discussion between to individuals. It was you that decided to defend or clarify a statement made by someone else. Why not give O2B the chance to speak for himself? Why not wait to see what HE has to say on the matter since my comment was directly addressed to him? He cleared things up rather nicely and maturaly by stating, "So, in response to your statement about a dearth of usable polls on the topic of preference: having spent the past hour going over various polls, I agree that most of them, on both sides of the issue, are unscientific and therefore not reliable." No, you couldn't let him say that. God forbid someone else here come to their own conclusion that a poll posted by you as, "ACTUAL STUDY: Do women prefer uncut cock" is indeed useless and just as flawed as the study presented by Swank. I believe you are guilty of esculating this into more than it was ever supposed to get.
You still have yet to answer which one of your ACCEPTABLE/UNACCEPTABLE guidelines my original comment falls under. No where did I ever question O2B's opinion, only his reference to polls. As a moderator, why not moderate, wait to see if a discussion needs moderation. That being said, I am going to reconstruct the entire original thread minus any banter while only adding the actual conversation between me and O2B.

Kooky

kooky, nothing you said exactly did fall under the guidelines, except for one stray BS comment, made to me. You are right. I do apologize for coming off all high-handed, but I was afraid that thread was going to devolve into the exact kind of flame war a recent one did in which a forum member named executioner quit. It had the signs of going that way. It was already starting to get hijacked...

Executioner was a long time member here. He participated in alot of conversations and kept the FR forum active and lively. He was one of the more passionate restorers, which seems to be the type most often harassed for their feelings about foreskin restoration. He was accused of saying many things that he did not say, and though I tried to defend him, he ended up getting too insulted and frustrated to continue posting on MOS.

There seems to be an attitude among some that it is okay to be skeptical of FR and its benefits but not okay to be passionate about it. The FR forum has many active posters whose beliefs fall into both sides of the spectrum, and somehow we have to find a way to make peace between the skeptics and the believers cause this constant battle is sooooo tiresome.

I'd hate to see more believers quit out of frustration.

Apoligy accepted. I think by now you know my style. I am one of your converts Kong. A year ago I would have had a son of mine cut without a second thought. If you have reached anyone, you have reached me and I have learned stuff from you I would have honestly never would have gone in search of myself. I think I am usually pretty fair in here and I normally call it down the middle. Why even bother you ask? Because I believe some of the techniques practiced by you and others into FR can help anyone on a Penis Enlargement program. I believe skin stretch is the very first obstacle when one starts. Obviously you guys in here know a lot more about that than your average Penis Enlargement'er. Even Bib talked about how important skin stretch is in the beginning of hanging. I will support and defend anyone's opinions here and other places on MOS. But I will not stand quiet when I believe someone is misrepresenting FACTS either intentionally or completely unintentionally as was the case here. Besides my banter with you, I believe I gave O2B ample opportunity to speak for himself and I have much more respect for him now and I am greatly looking forward to more communications with him in the future. As for you Kong, I know you are very passionate about this forum and about FR and anti-circ in general. That's great. I am the exact same way about several things myself. Please don't let that passion get into the way of being a good moderator. Let two adults here have the discussions as long as they keep it respectful between themselves. I think you cold be a great moderator hereif you would learn to put your passion aside for a few moments. Believe me, I don't think I could ever be a mod because I understand the extreme amount of patience one must have. I also think that you are one of the quickest on the draw here to help someone with anything at all. Keep up the good work on that as well.

I hope you are feeling better btw.

kooky

One of my converts...haha...that's nice. Just have a little patience with me when that old bug flies up my ass on occasion. It's just a part of who I am. Thanks for the compliments and all that. I was feeling better yesterday and kind of overdid it so now I am paying for it. The pain isn't too bad but the nausea is awful. I can't even look at food without wanting to ralph right now, and I feel like I am on a slowly rolling boat. Whooooooooaaaaaaaaaa........ 3 to six weeks for this thing to heal. Ugh! Yeah, I'm doped up. I'm going back to bed.

Damn... I'm sorry to hear that TheExecutioner decided to quit. I don't think that anyone intended to insult him or compel him to leave. I know that my response to him was motivated by his apparent about-face: first questioning Noel's sincerity, then gushing sympathy when Noel cracked. I just seemed overboard, and perhaps insincere, at the time.

I think that the lesson that can be taken from many of the past events is that questioning a person's comment isn't necesarily hostile questioning of that person, although I have seen that. What we need to do is separate the health skepticisim from personal attacks, otherwise this begins looking like the Jerry Springer show instead of the Foreskin Restoration sub-forum.

Peace,
Priapologist

This whole name change thing is getting a little crazy.

GS = O2B = Priapologist

Priapologist from now on I promise I won't change it again.


Cheers!

Correction:

O2B107.5 said:

IT just seemed overboard, and perhaps insincere, at the time.

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You're not even replying to the quote, in which I call for a cease to name-calling and personal attacks. You're just criticizing me personally. The only reason for that post you quoted was for everyone-- not just the official skeptics, but also the true believers-- everyone to have a chance to say what they think without undue name-calling and harassment.

Besides, as always, you're just a couple days late. That debate had pretty much burned down. Why throw more gas on the fire now, AC? Just couldn't resist a jab at me, your self-professed "arch nemesis"? :D

Priapologist, this forum IS the Jerry Springer Show sometimes. AC just lobbed a chair at me! [Kong leaps up and runs at AC, tackling him as the guards rush forward to intervene]

May I break Jerry's nose?

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No that is an entirely different issue, you decided to take it upon yourself to lick my transexual girlboyfriends ass....I had to protect my manwoman.

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MERCY! That's hot.

I think I'm gonna faint

Face it guys - they always shoot the fucking messenger.

So buy some body armor or duck

Yes, that is quite astute. They always DO shoot the messenger. I should keep that in mind when AC takes a shot at me or swank calls me the "arch grand master of whining and bullshitting" or I am otherwise called a "lunatic", "loony", "cult-leader" or "scam artist". In fact, I have been taking those shots for more than a year now on MOS, but guess what AC, swank and company...? There are more and more restorers here every day. So suck on that, babies! See that? Yeah, that's right. Suck on it! Suck on it and then Suck on it some more! Ha ha! The Age of Whole Men is dawning! Genital Mutilation is so OUT. You should just conform and start regrowing your foreskins now so that you will fit in with the rest of us in the future and no one will make fun of your poor skinned little weiners with your glans all hanging out and exposed in such a vulgar manner! It's disgusting, really. Nobody wants to see your glans.

You should learn to read as well as restore your foreskin. I didn't say "skinnier". I said "skinned". Although, from what I hear, you do have a pretty skinny penis. Probably from having all that flesh removed from it at childbirth. Just left you with a little dried peanut shell of a head and some corpus. Sad, really. Unlike my huge, gravid fleshy cock and shiny, wet giant mushroom of a head, all covered in hot, smelly male juices and female-attracting pheromones.

Just to clarify, your quasi-religious ideas concerning cock are all fucked up. Although Jesus was a Jew and thus circumcised, God is not. We are, after all, created in the image of God, so why would God have us be born with a foreskin if HE, in all his glory, does not, in fact, possess a foreskin. Not trying to be funny, but I bet God has a Huge Schlong and a big Anteater of a foreskin. You'd probably be jealous. Maybe as jealous of His cock as you are of mine.

Finally, Da Vinci, I know for a fact, loved the uncut cock. Men were not widely circumcised in his times. You need look only to his masterpeice "David" to see that. I bet DaVinci sucked almost as good as you do. He probably went balls deep and gave that foreskin a good tongue-swirly too, something you should probably learn to do, as we are all going to be uncircumcised in the next twenty or thirty years. You really should learn the tongue swirly, AC. Just to keep your men happy, you know.

You should leave God, Barney, Jesus and DaVinci out of this. This is a fight between you and me. For God's sake, Barney doesn't even have a penis, unless it is some kind of bizarre retractible dinosaur penis (if so, I've never seen it). Even if he did have a penis, I am sure it would be uncircumcised, because it is illegal in the USA to circumcise animals...including, I am sure, T-Rex's.

You are such a closet homo. First, you bring up the gay stuff by foisting on us your DaVinci fantasy, then you're like, "Eww, don't talk about gay stuff. It makes me all woogy!" Just come out of the closet, dude, nobody cares! You remind me of my cousin. He's like, "Yeah, this gay guy hit on me and I punched him in the face cause I'm like so not gay." I was like, "Where did that come from?" I was just downloading some stuff on my computer when he blurted that out. You closet homos are so funny...

Finally, no one cares how big your dick is. This is the foreskin restoration sub-forum. We will all consider you lacking here until you have a big juicy hood on that cobra.

PS-- Any penis, cut or uncut, stinks after 7 days of not being washed. Your argument is weak and trite.