Jake's Progress Thread (SiliStretcher, Pumping, and Red Light)

[JakeM82]

This is the link to the resources I am using to try to treat this: Epididymitis Supplements

 

[JakeM82]

Got 3 hours in of stretching yesterday, but the pain levels of the epididymitis is starting to impact my ability to stretch. I have another appointment today with doctor, I may have to get IV anti-biotics to clear it up, not sure yet.

 

[DLD]

This is the link to the resources I am using to try to treat this: Epididymitis Supplements

Excellent article Jake! I hope other people that need to hear this read it.

 

[JakeM82]

Alright, so taking the time to make an update on some things that I think are important to document here. It's been 8 months, 8 rounds of anti-biotics, over 30 doctors visits, 2 hospital trips, a near surgery, shots, biopsies, ultrasounds, imaging and months and months of chronic pain. This pain started in my testicles back in December, and began to impact the quality of life by March, by May it was debilitating. All they kept telling me was it had to be an infection and we weren't able to kill it, Chronic Prostatitis is what they said. It's their catch all for when they can't figure things out apparently.

Finally I went to see a new urologist who made a recommendation, that at the time I thought was complete non-sense. He said that I need to see a physical therapist who specializes in CPPS (Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome) and that I needed to read a book titled "A Headache in the Pelvis". It's been 3 weeks since I started Physical Therapy and my pain is down 75% and somedays it's almost completely gone. I haven't been able to start PE again, but I can move freely again, I have been able to workout again for the first time in months this weekend., and there is some light at the end of the tunnel here.

If you are experiencing this, you need to find a physical therapist is specializes in pelvic floor work or CPPS. Beware, the PT itself will suck, I am just warning you now. It's painful work, no lie, but it brings relief, finally it brings relief. Hopefully in the next few weeks I will have my life back.

 

[DantheMan2018]

Welcome back Jake. I’m glad you found the answers to this problem. When you had posted about it, I couldn’t even fathom what it could be. I’m grateful that urologist recommended this for you and that it has been helping

 

[DLD]

Long time no see my brother! So happy to see you back in action again and I’m sure there are many people missing you. Welcome back

 

[JakeM82]

Long time no see my brother! So happy to see you back in action again and I’m sure there are many people missing you. Welcome back

It's been a tough few months. Hopefully I will be able to get back to PE in the next few weeks now.

 

[DLD]

It's been a tough few months. Hopefully I will be able to get back to PE in the next few weeks now.

I hope you get that inspiration my brother! I’m sorry about the past few months and I will keep you in my prayers so you really get some relief from what you’ve been going through. If you need any help please just ask.

 

[JakeM82]

First day of being able to do PE again without pain. About 3 hours using the silistretcher today. It's a start!

 

[DLD]

First day of being able to do PE again without pain. About 3 hours using the silistretcher today. It's a start!

A very good start to a very successful future!

 

[JakeM82]

@DLD I got to ask... How in the world are you guys bringing a red light / IR therapy device to market so cheap at that size and features? Who did you guys partner with on that one... The cost difference between the Joovv is insane.

 

[JakeM82]

Yesterday I got 3.5 hours of SiliStretching done, and 1 BM sessions of 5x3. Not going very high pressure or looking for huge pump with my bathmate right now, just trying to increase blood flow into the penis after a day of stretching.

I also started adding red light therapy to my routine. 1x10min session on the penis and balls. I've used my Joovv (had it for a while now, before MoS released theirs) on my back with great results. Using it now for PE to see what it can do as well there.

Today is just a rest day. Red Light only, maybe 5 minutes with the BM in the shower later to increase blood flow.

 

[DLD]

@DLD I got to ask... How in the world are you guys bringing a red light / IR therapy device to market so cheap at that size and features? Who did you guys partner with on that one... The cost difference between the Joovv is insane.

Lightning is the master of equipment. I can give him a simple idea if he’ll come back with the most incredible results. He’s been involved with this type of thing his whole life. The reason we do the stuff in the house is because we can operate at a much lower price than the market.

 

[JakeM82]

RLT (1x20m session on full groin area) and SiliStretch today, 1 hour in currently, should get 4 hours total today. BM tonight for 10m. Trying to get back on routine.

 

[DLD]

RLT (1x20m session on full groin area) and SiliStretch today, 1 hour in currently, should get 4 hours total today. BM tonight for 10m. Trying to get back on routine.

You’re getting back into it slowly but surely. You know there’s no rush Jake, take your time and enjoy the journey

 

[JakeM82]

I broke out the old air pump today (LA Pump, old school thing, but it has a gauge on it and allows me to measure pressure)... I have been having trouble with time using the Bathmate in the shower or bath. So I went back to the old air pump and will be using that daily for the time being (easy for me to use while working, or really anytime without having to get into the shower or bath). I will be going to a 2x10 daily session routine again, working my way from 5 up to 10 lbs over time as I acclimate again. I don't fill up the whole 2x9 tube anymore, but I will get there again.

Working on Silistretching right now, going to get to 4 hours today and have already done red light therapy again for 20 mins today.

Consistency is key, got to get back to normal size and performance.

 

[DLD]

Consistency is everything and it greatly depends on motivation and determination. Knowing that your efforts are going to bring growth should really bring enough motivation to remain consistent. I think people that have problems with consistency have problems with motivation. I’m glad you understand this.

 

[JakeM82]

Rest day from stretching. Redlight Therapy and 1 pumping session today complete. Back to day by day wins... I will do a measurement end of this week and then start tracking progress monthly from there.

 

[DLD]

Looking forward to this measurement

 

[JakeM82]

1x15 pumping session today, just due to time constraints, moving up to 7.5 hg today, we will see how the fluid retention is. It was pretty significant afterwards, but we will see if it resolves quickly or not. I am in the silistretcher now, working towards that 4 hour goal.

 

[JakeM82]

Measurement day.

So I am right at 8.25" BPEL and 5.5" MEG... That's about where I expected to be.

Goal is back to 8.5" BPEL and 6" MEG. Then cement that for the long term.

I couldn't stay fully erect for the girth pic, had to go upstairs to find the dang tape measurer vs. the ruler. But that's pretty dang close to accurate regardless, maybe a .1" difference. We will see next measurement.

 

[JakeM82]

Back to the routine today. RLT, going to try to get 2x20, already did 1 morning session for 20 minutes.

2x10 pumping session at 7.5 Hg ... goal is 4 hours in the Silistretcher today, in it already know. If I can manage more today I will.

Next measurement will be end of August. Putting in a solid months work.

 

[JakeM82]

Seeing it fully pumped in the tube is motivation, want to get to being able to fill up this 2x9 tube completely. I used to hit the end of the length, but never filled up the girth completely. I think that's going to be part of my new goals. Pic is attached for reference.

Considering when I started PE several years ago (2015) I was 7.75" BPEL and 5" MEG, I can't complain that I kept .5" in length and .5" in girth permanently. But seeing it in the tube more like the size it was at my peak, it's motivating me to stay consistent. The size and girth it has coming out of the tube after my pumping session, is where I want to be permanently . I came out of the tube today at 8.7" and 6" MEG (6.5" girth at the base)... that's pretty dang big if I do say so myself.

 

[DLD]

Measurement day.

So I am right at 8.25" BPEL and 5.5" MEG... That's about where I expected to be.

Goal is back to 8.5" BPEL and 6" MEG. Then cement that for the long term.

I couldn't stay fully erect for the girth pic, had to go upstairs to find the dang tape measurer vs. the ruler. But that's pretty dang close to accurate regardless, maybe a .1" difference. We will see next measurement.

looking massive my brother! Wow, you are so close to goal size! Very pleased with your work.

 

[JakeM82]

2x10 pumping session, Red Light Therapy, and 2 hours of stretching. Little light on the stretching today, but that's always a challenge on weekends for me. Solid day nonetheless. Pump expansion was huge today, fluid retention is still pretty high, takes about 4-6 hours to dissipate. I may have to bring the intensity down just a bit back to 5 Hg instead of 7.5 Hg. I am not acclimated yet to pumping again. So I may slow it down just a bit.

 

[DLD]

2x10 pumping session, Red Light Therapy, and 2 hours of stretching. Little light on the stretching today, but that's always a challenge on weekends for me. Solid day nonetheless. Pump expansion was huge today, fluid retention is still pretty high, takes about 4-6 hours to dissipate. I may have to bring the intensity down just a bit back to 5 Hg instead of 7.5 Hg. I am not acclimated yet to pumping again. So I may slow it down just a bit.

Are you noticing more collagen in your penis? Have you been able to eliminate discoloration? Two things that interest me most about MOSRed

 

[JakeM82]

Are you noticing more collagen in your penis? Have you been able to eliminate discoloration? Two things that interest me most about MOSRed

I think the biggest thing I have noticed is increased sex drive right now since I started using it. I didn't have any discoloration to really work on to speak of.

As far as RLT in general. I have used it for both a back and shoulder injury with fantastic results. Definitely decreased pain and recovery time and allow for better healing. I think only being a week or so in, I am not sure I can confirm whether I think there is more collagen right now, it would be too anecdotal yet. I will keep feedback coming though and update on RLT more regularly too with details on any changes I believe are related to it.

 

[DLD]

I think the biggest thing I have noticed is increased sex drive right now since I started using it. I didn't have any discoloration to really work on to speak of.

As far as RLT in general. I have used it for both a back and shoulder injury with fantastic results. Definitely decreased pain and recovery time and allow for better healing. I think only being a week or so in, I am not sure I can confirm whether I think there is more collagen right now, it would be too anecdotal yet. I will keep feedback coming though and update on RLT more regularly too with details on any changes I believe are related to it.

Thanks for that review my brother I really appreciate it. I’m very interested in collagen especially at my age. Again I appreciate your feedback

 

[JakeM82]

I am out of the house for the next 10 days, so it will be challenging to find a lot of time to do stretching. But, I have my air pump and my red light with me.... So, 2x10 min session at 7.5 Hg with good expansion today. I tried running RLT immediately after pumping to see if it helped with Fluid Retention, I will need more testing and need to try both ways multiple times to test, that being said, my FR seemed to reduced after 20 minutes of RLT.

Keeping it going.

 

[DLD]

I am out of the house for the next 10 days, so it will be challenging to find a lot of time to do stretching. But, I have my air pump and my red light with me.... So, 2x10 min session at 7.5 Hg with good expansion today. I tried running RLT immediately after pumping to see if it helped with Fluid Retention, I will need more testing and need to try both ways multiple times to test, that being said, my FR seemed to reduced after 20 minutes of RLT.

Keeping it going.

Now that shows commitment! And remember you can get in a lot of stretching under the covers for while you’re taking a bathroom break. Have a good trip!

 

[JakeM82]

I started a new pumping strategy yesterday. I am not sure if it is unique or if someone else has tried this before. But I had some very interesting results.

I was thinking about my PE in terms of two foundations to achieve gains. This is how I have started breaking it down in my head.

1. The first foundation is the capacity to store blood in the penis to maintain an erection. This is what we are often working on when we are pumping or stretching, we pump to capacity and then slowly push beyond that with sustained and increased pressure until we get expansion. And, often we pushed past it which is what leads to fluid retention.

2. The second foundation is the ability to circulate blood into the penis effectively to fill it to capacity. This is something, that in my opinion, I don't think we spend a lot of time working on with the way we do PE (or at least I don't). So what I have been thinking about is... How do I use pumping to focus on that second foundation? How do I increase vascular strength, not just capacity. In alignment with the idea of "The Penis is a Balloon not a Rope." the balloons capacity to store air is incredibly important, but the lung strength or air pressure to fill the balloon in contrast to the capacity and capacity limit of the balloon is just as important.

So I started working a new routine during pumping yesterday to focus on this with some interesting results. I am pumping for about 2-3 minutes as a warm-up. Then from there what I am doing is pumping to full erection, holding for 30 seconds, then releasing all pressure and letting the blood flow out of the penis (and any other fluid). The theory being that if I can cause repeated and rapid vasodilation, I can try to train the body to have higher strength vascular capability in this area. This for me was like comparing lifting with repetitions vs. static holds. What we normally do is static holds with our pumping, I wanted to find a way to do repetitions.


I did this for the full pumping session yesterday and had better expansion and less fluid retention then I ever had. See the attached images, I was topping out the end of my 2x9 tube, as compared to the images from a few days ago in the same tube, there is a significant difference. I will continue to play with this method and optimize it as best I can. I also did 2x10 Red Light Therapy sessions and manual stretching (since I don't have my silistretcher on the road).

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[DLD]

Almost like pulsing! What a crazy awesome method this is. I can’t believe I’ve never even thought of this. Please name this exercise and I will add it into the SRT routine. I don’t even need to check if this works, I already know it goes without even having to do it. I’m very proud of you.

 

[JakeM82]

@DLD does Vascular Strength Pumping sound good? VSP Method? As opposed to what would be Vascular Capacity Pumping (VCP) which is still a proven training method. Just a thought.

 

[DLD]

@DLD does Vascular Strength Pumping sound good? VSP Method? As opposed to what would be Vascular Capacity Pumping (VCP) which is still a proven training method. Just a thought.

I’ve been thinking on this a lot ever since the last post I read where people are doing pulse pumping. I like the idea of that as it seems like it could be a new way to gain girth. I don’t think you need to pick one over the other I think you could probably do both and see where that gets you. I like the way people are thinking and the creativity Being shown!

 

[JakeM82]

@DLD completely agree, this wasn't intended as being a replacement for traditional Vascular Capacity Pumping. That is a proven method that I don't want to take away from. I've used it and so have hundreds of others effectively. This is simply another option and another thought process around ways to produce gains. An attempt to refine our training to produce results, break plateaus.

Speaking of which. Yesterday was a solid training day. 2x10 pumping session, VSP method is helping me achieve higher pressure and more expansion with less fluid retention right now. Huge pump after that last session.

20 min red light therapy session, and manual stretching routine.

 

[DLD]

@DLD completely agree, this wasn't intended as being a replacement for traditional Vascular Capacity Pumping. That is a proven method that I don't want to take away from. I've used it and so have hundreds of others effectively. This is simply another option and another thought process around ways to produce gains. An attempt to refine our training to produce results, break plateaus.

Speaking of which. Yesterday was a solid training day. 2x10 pumping session, VSP method is helping me achieve higher pressure and more expansion with less fluid retention right now. Huge pump after that last session.

20 min red light therapy session, and manual stretching routine.

That’s such good news to hear and now this gives other men a new way to practice. When we have a tool it is always been the practice of the brotherhood to find other ways to use it or better ways to use it. I’m so glad that you’re experimenting and coming up with new ideas

 

[JakeM82]

2x10 Pumping Session, 20 min Red Light. Manual stretches still planned for tonight.

My VSP method pumping in a little more detail is working in the following way: First I start with a warmup at 5 Hg for about 3 minutes. Then I pump gradually from from 0 - 5 Hg and hold for 30 seconds, then release pressure, then sets from 0 - 7.5 Hg, then sets from 0 - 10 Hg. Each set is 5 reps with 30 second holds at the top pressure.

Once I finish that work, I start doing a reverse pyramid cooldown as well. 10 - 7.5 Hg (then back to 10 multiple times) then 7.5 Hg to 5 Hg, then 5 Hg to 0. Then I finish with 0 - 7.5 Hg x 5 to try to flush any fluid out.

I tried pushing a final set of 10 - 12.5 Hg today, but I don't think I am quite ready for it yet. Most expansion I've ever, but also the most pressure. Fluid Retention was definitely higher as I am not accustomed to that pressure.

I am still designing and perfecting this method, but I would be interested in seeing if anyone else has good results with it at this point. Not many people watching or subscribed to this thread anymore. I may have to make a new one.

 

[orgasmic19]

I achieved my length goal in approx. 110 days (just under 4 months), this was mostly done with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Size Genetics[/words] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], stretching, jelqing and wrapping.

That's impressive are you sticking to one routine or does it change as you go?

 

[DLD]

2x10 Pumping Session, 20 min Red Light. Manual stretches still planned for tonight.

My VSP method pumping in a little more detail is working in the following way: First I start with a warmup at 5 Hg for about 3 minutes. Then I pump gradually from from 0 - 5 Hg and hold for 30 seconds, then release pressure, then sets from 0 - 7.5 Hg, then sets from 0 - 10 Hg. Each set is 5 reps with 30 second holds at the top pressure.

Once I finish that work, I start doing a reverse pyramid cooldown as well. 10 - 7.5 Hg (then back to 10 multiple times) then 7.5 Hg to 5 Hg, then 5 Hg to 0. Then I finish with 0 - 7.5 Hg x 5 to try to flush any fluid out.

I tried pushing a final set of 10 - 12.5 Hg today, but I don't think I am quite ready for it yet. Most expansion I've ever, but also the most pressure. Fluid Retention was definitely higher as I am not accustomed to that pressure.

I am still designing and perfecting this method, but I would be interested in seeing if anyone else has good results with it at this point. Not many people watching or subscribed to this thread anymore. I may have to make a new one.

no rush my brother you will get there. This entire routine is going to end up being one of the best plumping routines ever. If all goes right this will be added to SRT.

 

[JakeM82]

That's impressive are you sticking to one routine or does it change as you go?

I have changed and adapted over the years my routine. Refined it and changed tools as necessary. I have switched it up to keep getting gains over time, but also to experiment and just to try new things to see what works.

 

[DLD]

I have changed and adapted over the years my routine. Refined it and changed tools as necessary. I have switched it up to keep getting gains over time, but also to experiment and just to try new things to see what works.

this! TRUTH!

 

[JakeM82]

this! TRUTH!

It also just keeps PE fun when you are experimenting and trying new things.

Speaking of fun:

1x20 pumping session (limited time so I had to get all knocked out in one session) lower intensity than normal but for longer duration. 1x20 min RLT session. Manual stretches for about 45 minutes though tonight, getting some work done.

 

[DLD]

 

[JakeM82]

Normal training day yesterday. 2x10 pumping VSP Method from 5 - 10 Hg. 1x20 Red Light Therapy. Manual stretching routine. Solid day.

Feeling sore from this weeks training so taking a light day today, already did the following today.

Active rest day today:
1x8min Pumping, standard method at 5 Hg, just increasing blood flow to bring fluid in for healing, no expansion goal. Light stretching after and 20 jelqs a light pressure. Just increasing blood flow again.

20 min Red Light Therapy for recovery and done for the day.

Keep crushing it fellas! Don't lose sight of your goals, it just takes discipline.

 

[DLD]

Excellent days work! ??

 

[JakeM82]

Solid day yesterday. Normal routine, but a little less intensity on the pumping. Spending more time at 5 and 7.5 Hg, and less at 10 Hg. Not as much expansion, but less fluid retention. Trying to find the right balance to maximize my "reps".

So 2x10 VSP method with the air pump. 20 min Red Light Therapy. Manual Stretches.

 

[DLD]

2 x 10 seems to be the magical number! I am so hoping this is an incredible routine for superfast growth.

 

[JakeM82]

2 x 10 seems to be the magical number! I am so hoping this is an incredible routine for superfast growth.

It does seem to be working pretty well. I tried a longer session today working different set types to see what kind of expansion was possible with VSP method. I can confirm that 2x10 is the right balance. And anything more than 10 Hg for me right now just causes Fluid Retention. So I am going to condition there for the next month before trying to move up the vacuum pressure at all.

1x10 Red Light today. Got another RLT session planned for later too.

1-hour in the silistretcher since I am back home now as well.

Discipline is growth.

 

[DLD]

It does seem to be working pretty well. I tried a longer session today working different set types to see what kind of expansion was possible with VSP method. I can confirm that 2x10 is the right balance. And anything more than 10 Hg for me right now just causes Fluid Retention. So I am going to condition there for the next month before trying to move up the vacuum pressure at all.

1x10 Red Light today. Got another RLT session planned for later too.

1-hour in the silistretcher since I am back home now as well.

Discipline is growth.

I love all the experimenting brothers are doing lately, reminds me of the old days. I’ve been in this business for almost 20 years and I’m always surprised at how much new methodology comes out of this brotherhood

 

[JakeM82]

Good training day today:

1x15 VCP method pumping (traditional method) held at 7.5 Hg. I want to keep a balance between the two methods for growth, I think both are important. I want to expand vascular strength and capacity to increase girth.

1x20 Red Light Therapy. I am experimenting with both pre and post pumping RLT. Seeing if it has an impact on expansion and fluid retention.

Manual stretches as well today. Will try to spend some time in the silistretcher tonight too.