Clampers, An interesting Question!

[Vaseline_Knight]

Or a dumb one perhaps, but one that has puzzled me nevertheless.

I've been clamping for the past 12 days with no rest, AM and PM averaging 50 minutes in the clamp everyday.

I'm trying to 'Test' some people's claims that with consisten clamping, girth gains of around 1/4 of an inch in a month or so is possible.

I'm taking today off because yesterday a drop of blood came out as I upped the pressure. Over the past 12 days, this has happened 3 times. Just one drop, and it's fine the very next day.

Now what I have noticed is that after 2 or 3 clamp sessions, I get a very uniform fluid build up thoughout the shaft. I get a minimum of 1/2" expansion post workout, but this is without a doubt 90% fluid.

my question is this.

I have noted that after the second or third clamp session, the 'intensity' drops considerablly. That is, initially, I feel an IMMENSE amount of pressure within the penis, mostly on the glans and the Tunica. I feel an internal 'stretch'. but this stretch only lasts for a minute or two and subsides either because the blood pressure drops or because the tissue relaxes, OR because the pores in the tunica open and fluid starts building up between the skin and the tunica, in turn pushing the tunica back, countering the internal pressure.

Either way, this internal pressure subsides even though I'm still at 110% errection. I unclamped just to kegel some more blood in and reclamp. again a minute or two of pressure and the same story.

So the punch line is:

Do we want this 'faux girth' expansion? or is this fluid girth truely counter productive to true tunica stretching and gains?



Any comments will be greatly appreciated as I'm truely having difficulties with this concept.

I expect to hear from all the clamp veterans, RED, SWM, etc.


Vkay

 

[goldmember]

I think 1/4" every month is a tall claim. The person who claimed that is likely going off temporary gains or a one-month effort.

My later sessions usually seem MORE intense than morning sessions in general, from the earlier fatigue. I don't think fluid buildup hurts or helps girth gains in a considerable way, only if it prevents you from doing a particular exercise (which is quite possible). Do what feels intense, and don't worry about what is going on as far as counterforce and all that deep mumbo-jumbo.

 

[More Meat]

I know what you mean VK- at least I believe I do.. Ive noticed that when I do multiple sets of clamping, the first seems the best and most intense and productive.. But in the later sets my penis feels completely hard and immovable inside- it feels as if further expansion is being restricted.. It does get discouraging as I dont really feel like Im creating a cause for gains, but I do work through it..

Also, Ive been having the same fucking problem with a drop of blood coming out of the pee- hole. Its really god damn annoying and has caused me to lower my intensity level on my ulis- the uli is the only exercise that has caused this injury.. No pain though, and yeah, next day everything seems a -ok. Pains me to think of where the blood is coming from.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

I think 1/4" every month is a tall claim. The person who claimed that is likely going off temporary gains or a one-month effort.

My later sessions usually seem MORE intense than morning sessions in general, from the earlier fatigue. I don't think fluid buildup hurts or helps girth gains in a considerable way, only if it prevents you from doing a particular exercise (which is quite possible). Do what feels intense, and don't worry about what is going on as far as counterforce and all that deep mumbo-jumbo.

well SWM says he got a permenant gain of 1/4" of girth from just barely over a month time of clamping. Aristocane, as TheGirthKing on thunders made the same claim.

of course I don't want to gain 2 inches of girth, or my dick will be useless. But I'm still not happy with my girth as of now. The only reason I'm thinking too deep into this is to decide if I should lower the amount of sets to minimize fluid expansion, and then just have shorter and possibly more effective work outs..

 

[10inchadvantage]

On another note, have any of you ever pumped erect having clamping? Holy hell, talk about a core stretch! I can really feel my girth expanding in the pump after a clamping session.

 

[ocd]

MoreMeat...those damn uli's! I've got a love/hate relationship with them because they flat out work but what a cost.

VK,

I'm not experienced but I am an abusive MF to my cock. I'm not getting any fluid build up, well once, but it was a donut near the head.

I'm doing multiple sets thru out the day and each is lengthy and intense. On my bends I tend to feel a great stretch at first then I get hard again but then I have to bend more intense and longer to feel it.

Uli's are being done at about 80% erection and FULL of blood...slight discoloration seems to be the ticket. And I can't squeeze very hard at all otherwise it feels like my head and the area near the clamp are gonna burst.

A quarter inch a month? Maybe if my cock is conditioned and it just builds upon each months gain AND lots of uli's each session. But I don't see that as a reality...more like an eighth of an inch a month. And that's cool with me because that's an inch of girth in 8 months.

 

[ocd]

A quarter inch a month? Maybe if my cock is conditioned and it just builds upon each months gain AND lots of uli's each session. But I don't see that as a reality...more like an eighth of an inch a month. And that's cool with me because that's an inch of girth in 8 months.

On further review after today's visual of recent sets...I'm starting to think .25" per month is possible.

Right above the clamp seems to be getting growth first.

 

[More Meat]

Right above the clamp seems to be getting growth first.

Thats interesting..


Yeah ocd, I thought you had to stop doing the ulis because of your elbows? I'm glad to hear that you seem better and are back at it.. I was the last to remain with our little 3 man am/pm uli routine, and I had to drop it as well because of injury.. Those fucking ulis will get ya

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Thats interesting..


Yeah ocd, I thought you had to stop doing the ulis because of your elbows? I'm glad to hear that you seem better and are back at it.. I was the last to remain with our little 3 man am/pm uli routine, and I had to drop it as well because of injury.. Those fucking ulis will get ya

yup... you can run now.. but sooner or later, those ULI's will fuck you

I'm still doing the am/pm routine.... just not with ULI's anymore. Though I must say that 5 weeks of the ULI routine considerably enlarged my glans. I'm glad I did it.

it's just that damn occasional drop of blood.

anyways, back on topic.

 

[ocd]

Thats interesting..


Yeah ocd, I thought you had to stop doing the ulis because of your elbows? I'm glad to hear that you seem better and are back at it.. I was the last to remain with our little 3 man am/pm uli routine, and I had to drop it as well because of injury.. Those fucking ulis will get ya

The elbows still hurt it's just that when I clamp my cock is so engorged that I dare not use much pressure when I do the uli's or my head will burst open. Or at least it feels like that.

As a result, the elbows are better because I can't use as much squeeze pressure...clamping kicks ass.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Better late than never okay well 1/4 in one month is very rare and something that I feel isnt really something that can be seen or done ... unless we're talking about TEMP gains, in which case YES but you must keep hitting that cock for about 6 months consistency to cement and make that temp gain into permanent gains and than its YOURS ... so I guess its a double answer, yes you can but temp.

Okay, the blood isnt something you want AT ALL ... your putting too much pressure on the bottom portion of your penis so ease that alittle if you can ... better still warm up before a session ... hot wraps work a treat, same principle here as in BB ... warm ups prevent [<can help] injuries.

I have also noticed that the first and second sessions usually are the most powerful but afterthat they get weeker ... this is because your penis is EXHAUSTED and wants to sleep hes very worn out and cant keep all that blood inside anymore and hence it retracts and the fluid starts to build.

This fluid to me isnt a bad thing, so long it isnt loads like if you major overpump with a vacuum pump.

Remember to email me from out PM.

ciao

 

[blackice]

6 months eah, I have been doing girth for just over 70 days straight, am/pm.
I took the other day off and woke up the next morning with the same girth I started before my journey. Your saying after 6 months I can expect to see those gains stay? ( please say yes, please say yes )

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Better late than never okay well 1/4 in one month is very rare and something that I feel isnt really something that can be seen or done ... unless we're talking about TEMP gains, in which case YES but you must keep hitting that cock for about 6 months consistency to cement and make that temp gain into permanent gains and than its YOURS ... so I guess its a double answer, yes you can but temp.

Okay, the blood isnt something you want AT ALL ... your putting too much pressure on the bottom portion of your penis so ease that alittle if you can ... better still warm up before a session ... hot wraps work a treat, same principle here as in BB ... warm ups prevent [<can help] injuries.

I have also noticed that the first and second sessions usually are the most powerful but afterthat they get weeker ... this is because your penis is EXHAUSTED and wants to sleep hes very worn out and cant keep all that blood inside anymore and hence it retracts and the fluid starts to build.

This fluid to me isnt a bad thing, so long it isnt loads like if you major overpump with a vacuum pump.

Remember to email me from out PM.

ciao

Ya i do feel quite a bit of pressure on the bottom portion of the penis... nameley the Corporus Sponginisum (CS). How do you recommend I ease this pressure off? I place the cable clamp with the 'screw' side pointing to the ground... I do notice that whenever I have blood comming out, I have alot of pressure in the CS, so you hit a bulls eye with that one. Question is, if I reduce the pressure in the CS (assuming I can somehow do that), wont that be counter productive to clamping? i.e. not enough pressure in the chambers?

 

[stillwantmore]

Blood now and then is ok, and not unexpected when doing these very high intensity girth exercises, but when youre seeing it consistently, you need to re evaluate what youre doing. Sounds like you got it figured out. A 1/4" of girth in one month IS do able. I did not say 'every' month...as most of the committed guys here know, that's not realistic as life happens, things come up....workouts vary, etc.

 

[stillwantmore]

Ya i do feel quite a bit of pressure on the bottom portion of the penis... nameley the Corporus Sponginisum (CS). How do you recommend I ease this pressure off? I place the cable clamp with the 'screw' side pointing to the ground... I do notice that whenever I have blood comming out, I have alot of pressure in the CS, so you hit a bulls eye with that one. Question is, if I reduce the pressure in the CS (assuming I can somehow do that), wont that be counter productive to clamping? i.e. not enough pressure in the chambers?

Are you using a wrap? If so, what/how? It's odd that your pressure is unevenly distributed as you point out that you feel it mostly in the bottom of your penis. What type of exercises are you doing that might be causing this? If youre doing exercises where you are putting lots of pressure on your glans, that may be your culprit.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Are you using a wrap? If so, what/how? It's odd that your pressure is unevenly distributed as you point out that you feel it mostly in the bottom of your penis. What type of exercises are you doing that might be causing this? If youre doing exercises where you are putting lots of pressure on your glans, that may be your culprit.

Hey SWM.

Well I'm using a sock as a wrap. I wrap at the base quite snug, and i put the clamp on but i dont tighten it. What I do is I watch adult entertainment /edge, and then I kegel and I Push the clamp as far down towards my pubic bone as possible and I tighten it. When I kegel, I feel the CS engorge and in turn the glans. So when I clamp down, the glans is rock hard. now no blood comes out, but If I'm too add a second or third clamp while this hard, a drop of blood comes out every now and then, though not everytime.



I'm not doing any exercises while clamped. when I do it correctly, the internal stretch is so much that I'm basically feeling a slight bit of pain (good pain) in the tunica. This stretch usually lasts for like 5 mins, and I unclamp, kegel and reclamp to achieve the same intensity again.

 

[wolfkeeper]

Do we want this 'faux girth' expansion? or is this fluid girth truely counter productive to true tunica stretching and gains?

I think that fluid girth is only temporary, and doesn't in and of itself give you any gains- gains are to do with tunica stretching and fluid build up is on top of the tunica, not beneath it.

I'm unclear that fluid is negative though; although in the past I've made the best gains when I minimise fluid buildup.

My current theory is that girth gains are due to breaking down the collagen in the tunica and then stretching it using constrictors in that state. If you can do that then you seem to get very little fluid.

I think that fluid buildup is because you've exceeded the strength of vessels in your dick, and training so you avoid that, whilst gaining size seems to be a really good idea.

Anyway, that's just my best guess at the moment. YMMV.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

I think that fluid girth is only temporary, and doesn't in and of itself give you any gains- gains are to do with tunica stretching and fluid build up is on top of the tunica, not beneath it.

I'm unclear that fluid is negative though; although in the past I've made the best gains when I minimise fluid buildup.

My current theory is that girth gains are due to breaking down the collagen in the tunica and then stretching it using constrictors in that state. If you can do that then you seem to get very little fluid.

I think that fluid buildup is because you've exceeded the strength of vessels in your dick, and training so you avoid that, whilst gaining size seems to be a really good idea.

Anyway, that's just my best guess at the moment. YMMV.

Hydromaxm, very interesting post. So let me get something right though.

So you're saying that we should first 'break down' the tunica, and then stretch it using constrictors. But don't constrictors do just that? break down the tunica? or am I missing something here? How do you go about breaking this tough collagen prior to constriction?

 

[wolfkeeper]

So you're saying that we should first 'break down' the tunica, and then stretch it using constrictors. But don't constrictors do just that? break down the tunica? or am I missing something here? How do you go about breaking this tough collagen prior to constriction?

Jelqing! (Wet)

I think constrictors on their own tend to just hit a plateau. It's the jelqing that causes the breakdown; then it recovers over a day or two. I speculate that the dick is more sensitive to constriction at that point.

I'm not sure, but that's my working hypothesis. Certainly I've made good gains that way, and I noted that Redzulu said he liked doing wet jelqs as part of his routine. It's subtle (if that is subtle, probably not) points like that that can make big differences.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Jelqing! (Wet)

I think constrictors on their own tend to just hit a plateau. It's the jelqing that causes the breakdown; then it recovers over a day or two. I speculate that the dick is more sensitive to constriction at that point.

I'm not sure, but that's my working hypothesis. Certainly I've made good gains that way, and I noted that Redzulu said he liked doing wet jelqs as part of his routine. It's subtle (if that is subtle, probably not) points like that that can make big differences.

I do wet jelq between sets, but perhaps thats not enough.
I also note that the wet jelqs after fluid has built up is not effective at all, as it is just moving around lymph and not much blood.

But I will concentrate more on jelqing. Are 500 jelqs per day good enough?

 

[ocd]

Wow I must be on another planet or something.

I wrap and only use one clamp, get hard, slowly increase tension on clamp, kegel, make myself harder, tighten more...repeating process.

Once I'm hard I do bends to both sides and to the front then I pull as hard as I can in the 12:00 position...that's a MF stretch right there.

Then I repeat the process over again except I don't loosen the clamp to start over.

The only time I'm getting fluid build up is when I go to sleep with the clamp on and wake up OR if I do one big monster set (for more than 2 hours) but the fluid isn't much, just a slight donut near the head.

I've noticed that my veins are really getting cool looking and erections are strong. When I do bends I can see the beginnings of ribs on both sides.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Wow I must be on another planet or something.

I wrap and only use one clamp, get hard, slowly increase tension on clamp, kegel, make myself harder, tighten more...repeating process.

Once I'm hard I do bends to both sides and to the front then I pull as hard as I can in the 12:00 position...that's a MF stretch right there.

Then I repeat the process over again except I don't loosen the clamp to start over.

The only time I'm getting fluid build up is when I go to sleep with the clamp on and wake up OR if I do one big monster set (for more than 2 hours) but the fluid isn't much, just a slight donut near the head.

I've noticed that my veins are really getting cool looking and erections are strong. When I do bends I can see the beginnings of ribs on both sides.

Well I guess you're lucky in the sense that you can maintain the 'rock hard' erection in the clamp. For me it subsides

 

[TomdW]

Well I guess you're lucky in the sense that you can maintain the 'rock hard' erection in the clamp. For me it subsides

Whilst clamping my erection quality also slowly subsides but I've found that by gradually tightening the clamp(s) and putting pressure on my penis by squeezing in dfferent places I can maintain a very good amount of pressure for around 15 minutes per set. In other words the more time passes, the more my erection fades, the more I tighten the clamp(s) and put presure on my peins using my hands.

VK it sounds as if you have some pretty intense clamping going on there. Keep it going.

Great thread BTW.

 

[stillwantmore]

Hey SWM.

Well I'm using a sock as a wrap.

That may be part of your prob as well. I have used a sock in the past, and depending on the thickness of the sock (say a thin dress sock vs. a much thicker white 'tube' type of sock), there can be uneven pressure distribution caused by the sock where you can have a pressure 'spot' if you will where theres more pressure on a given spot of your penis. Whereas if you use a thinner sock, or neoprene which is MY favorite type of wrap now, you wont have this problem as much. You may want to explore that route, and do some experimenting.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

That may be part of your prob as well. I have used a sock in the past, and depending on the thickness of the sock (say a thin dress sock vs. a much thicker white 'tube' type of sock), there can be uneven pressure distribution caused by the sock where you can have a pressure 'spot' if you will where theres more pressure on a given spot of your penis. Whereas if you use a thinner sock, or neoprene which is MY favorite type of wrap now, you wont have this problem as much. You may want to explore that route, and do some experimenting.

where do i find this 'neoprene' wrap? where do i buy it?

 

[stillwantmore]

where do i find this 'neoprene' wrap? where do i buy it?

I simply use a piece of mousepad. It's the generic kind of pad thats about 1/8" thick, has the textured black neoprene side, and a blue fabric side. Most stores that sell any kind of computer related items will have them for less than $4 each. I cut a piece lengthwise about 2" wide.

Check out the vid I posted over on mynewsize.com/forum in the "Clamping Essentials" sub forum (In the Clampers' Forum) The video titled "Clamping Properly".

 

[ocd]

Whilst clamping my erection quality also slowly subsides but I've found that by gradually tightening the clamp(s) and putting pressure on my penis by squeezing in dfferent places I can maintain a very good amount of pressure for around 15 minutes per set. In other words the more time passes, the more my erection fades, the more I tighten the clamp(s) and put presure on my peins using my hands.

This is what I do VK. My cock loses erection too.

I was referring to me not starting the process all over where you guys are unhooking once your erections fade and the time limit has been reached.

Once do a bunch of bends and stretches my cock will lose its erection level so I then get hard but never loosening the clamp. Eventually, I can't get hard and it feels like playdoh. Once I get to that point I do uli's because my cock is so filled with blood. I kegel off and on continuously.

 

[More Meat]

This is what I do VK. My cock loses erection too.

I was referring to me not starting the process all over where you guys are unhooking once your erections fade and the time limit has been reached.

Once do a bunch of bends and stretches my cock will lose its erection level so I then get hard but never loosening the clamp. Eventually, I can't get hard and it feels like playdoh. Once I get to that point I do uli's because my cock is so filled with blood. I kegel off and on continuously.

Im gonna steal your routine for a few days

 

[WILLBOM]

U GUYS MAY BE hurting and dropping blood cause the cable clamps are hard surfaces producing hard tension over little area of your penises> i´ve been used the clamping principle for about 15 days with a strong rubberband and I´m workin hard sessions of 35-40 min and didn´t drop any blood. and man, I feel the penis almost blowing. but for me the surface of a rubberband is soft compared to a cable clamp even if you use something to expand the area under the pression of it. maybe I´m bullshitin´u guys, but is what I think.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

U GUYS MAY BE hurting and dropping blood cause the cable clamps are hard surfaces producing hard tension over little area of your penises> i´ve been used the clamping principle for about 15 days with a strong rubberband and I´m workin hard sessions of 35-40 min and didn´t drop any blood. and man, I feel the penis almost blowing. but for me the surface of a rubberband is soft compared to a cable clamp even if you use something to expand the area under the pression of it. maybe I´m bullshitin´u guys, but is what I think.

the hardness of the clamp MIGHT lead to fibrosis in the tissue where the clamp is applied. The blood comming out, however, is independent of this.

 

[hypoallergeni]

I'm taking today off because yesterday a drop of blood came out as I upped the pressure.
You know, that same thing happened to me and I was scared shitless. I was about to quit pe all together, but it turns out all I needed to do warm up jelqs for ten minutes prior to a wet towel warm up. Afterwards you can jelq as hard as you want with no problems.

 

[hypoallergeni]

You know when your ready to make the transition from warm up jelqing to power jelqing when the tissue on the tip of your pee hole swells slightly.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

You know when your ready to make the transition from warm up jelqing to power jelqing when the tissue on the tip of your pee hole swells slightly.

 

[REDZULU2003]

VK, I aint forgot that routine either mate .. VERY SORRY about the delay, I WILL do the thing for you tommorow I promise freind

 

[millionman]

Maybe it's me, but I stay stimmed the whole time. I just put the clamp on and keep myself at 100% plus erection level by edging. I have no problems with maintaining a nice internal stretch, but I think we have to remember that just like stretching once the tissue has expanded to it's current limit, pushing past this point would be dangerous. Once you reach this point you'll get lots of fluid buildup because the tissue has expanded as much as it is going to. If you stretch for long periods of time, there's only so much the tissue can lengthen to during a given session. Everything past that point is going to be along the lines of maintaining that current length, that's what [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]'s are for.

Also, another issue for me is that if I don't take 2-3 days of rest each week my penis feels like it is getting smaller. I have noticed that with the intensity of the internal stretch there has to be plenty of rest after your sessions. The tissue has been forced to expand, and then it WILL shrink to a smaller size for healing purposes. Allowing the tissues 2-3 days to rest and recuperate will do wonders for your progress, and I know it's helped mine a great deal.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Maybe it's me, but I stay stimmed the whole time. I just put the clamp on and keep myself at 100% plus erection level by edging. I have no problems with maintaining a nice internal stretch, but I think we have to remember that just like stretching once the tissue has expanded to it's current limit, pushing past this point would be dangerous. Once you reach this point you'll get lots of fluid buildup because the tissue has expanded as much as it is going to. If you stretch for long periods of time, there's only so much the tissue can lengthen to during a given session. Everything past that point is going to be along the lines of maintaining that current length, that's what [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]'s are for.

Also, another issue for me is that if I don't take 2-3 days of rest each week my penis feels like it is getting smaller. I have noticed that with the intensity of the internal stretch there has to be plenty of rest after your sessions. The tissue has been forced to expand, and then it WILL shrink to a smaller size for healing purposes. Allowing the tissues 2-3 days to rest and recuperate will do wonders for your progress, and I know it's helped mine a great deal.

I used to be a HUGE fan of the whole rest theory. Perhaps I still am since ALL my gains happened on a 5 on 2 off routine. SWM's post about comparing Penis Enlargement to BB and faililng to recognize the simliarity of tunica to skin caught my attention though. He argues, that such tissues don't need rest, but instead need a constant force to change their state permenantly.

I've followed a 7 on zero off routine and only rest if I feel like it for a day here and there, and I haven't shriveled up at all, nor do I feel overtrained. I guess one point I over looked was the Warm up and warm down (cool down ? ?) before and after Penis Enlargement'ing. I just sit in a hot tub for a while, with just enough water to sink my hip in.

 

[millionman]

There's an essential problem with SWM's comparison of skin and tunica being similar to how they react to stress. The tunica is an encasement for the chambers of the penis, that is supposed to maintain a set internal pressure, current size of the penis. With Penis Enlargement we are attempting to change that status, and when placed under pressure the tissue expands to a certain extent, but at the same time there are fluids produced that are metabolic wastes, as part of the repair process. This waste material if not allowed to clear will consistently buildup, and retard growth. The reason is because the repair process is incomplete. You have to have a new set point, or cemented gains, to actually change the status again. That's what Xeon has been discussing in his Finding Xeon thread, where he discusses his IPR theory. I have found that with a constant routine every day that I have erection quality problems as well as just getting mentally tired of the process. Taking a break from Penis Enlargement 1-2 days a week is not that much time off when you think about the total amount of time we spend over the course of a year.

I've been Peing for over 3 years and I have to say that my total number of days off pales in comparison to my days ON. You've got to have recovery time for ANY type of tissue.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

There's an essential problem with SWM's comparison of skin and tunica being similar to how they react to stress. The tunica is an encasement for the chambers of the penis, that is supposed to maintain a set internal pressure, current size of the penis. With Penis Enlargement we are attempting to change that status, and when placed under pressure the tissue expands to a certain extent, but at the same time there are fluids produced that are metabolic wastes, as part of the repair process. This waste material if not allowed to clear will consistently buildup, and retard growth. The reason is because the repair process is incomplete. You have to have a new set point, or cemented gains, to actually change the status again. That's what Xeon has been discussing in his Finding Xeon thread, where he discusses his IPR theory. I have found that with a constant routine every day that I have erection quality problems as well as just getting mentally tired of the process. Taking a break from Penis Enlargement 1-2 days a week is not that much time off when you think about the total amount of time we spend over the course of a year.

I've been Peing for over 3 years and I have to say that my total number of days off pales in comparison to my days ON. You've got to have recovery time for ANY type of tissue.

very informative post.
what have your gains been over the 3 years?

 

[millionman]

Hmmm...I've gained nearly 2 inches in length and almost 1.5" in girth. Give or take .25 in girth, based on level of excitement.

However, I've only resently started gaining again. I spent the better part of a year and a half with no gains either way. It's only been recently that my girth has started to move again, and the combination of length work and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] has me close to 8" EL. I'm really a very good example of overtraining when it comes to girth work. I have done everything from 7 days straight, which then turns into 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 week straight, and now I'm using a rest template where I traing 1-2 days and I rest 2-3 days. This really seems to have helped me kick start my gains again. I also think that without proper rest your gains will never solidify, because you are constantly breaking down the new tissue before it's completely healed.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Hmmm...I've gained nearly 2 inches in length and almost 1.5" in girth. Give or take .25 in girth, based on level of excitement.

However, I've only resently started gaining again. I spent the better part of a year and a half with no gains either way. It's only been recently that my girth has started to move again, and the combination of length work and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] has me close to 8" EL. I'm really a very good example of overtraining when it comes to girth work. I have done everything from 7 days straight, which then turns into 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 week straight, and now I'm using a rest template where I traing 1-2 days and I rest 2-3 days. This really seems to have helped me kick start my gains again. I also think that without proper rest your gains will never solidify, because you are constantly breaking down the new tissue before it's completely healed.

I see. I havent seen gains in a long time either. specially length gains. Girth, I'm slowly gaining but seem to have been stuck on the 6 1/4 mark, or the excited 6 3/8 mark. My cock seems to be stretchy though. I mean if I was to get a dry hard on, I wouldn't even reach 6, but if i was to just stroke it abit, do a 100 or so jelqs and 2 or 3 Uli strokes, then I would expand to my 'gained girth'. I always do this prior to sex when she's giving me head or when im going down on her (IF i go down on her ) so it's a non issue.


I agree with you completely on not solidifying the gains w/o rest. But I just feel that if i was to break tissue down for like 10 days, then rest, it would be more effective. I'm trying this 7 on zero off routine for the first time. I havent had any gains yet, but I should give it at least a month or two.

So what do you think is responsible for the length/girth gains respectively? what's your routine? or do you believe it to be independent of the routine and a funtion of the rest?

 

[ocd]

The most interesting addition to this discussion could be the input of one Redzulu.

When you look at his progress chart his training schedule was very erratic. It seemed he would train when he could, time/schedule permitting, which created time off in the amount of 2 to 3 days at a time. And he grew considerably in girth.

Heck of an argument cause I can see both sides. Non-stop training or planned rest days.

The problem I have is basically going thru a type of withdrawal if I take a day off...two days off? I better be sick.

Redzulu, if you read this I would like your opinion please.

 

[millionman]

I have to say that with my schedule it's not entirely possible to Penis Enlargement everyday, which makes the 2-3 days off an easier thing to handle. If Penis Enlargement is one of the sole focuses of your day then you may think about taking an extended break and reorganize your priorities. When I was training 6-7 days a week Penis Enlargement was a focus to the point of my own detriment. This was not a healthy way to be and my gains for the amounf of effort I was putting into it were not in proportion.

The IPR theory that Xeno has explored is very interesting, but I've found it easier to stay focused and enjoy my sessions when I have them as opposed to feeling obligated to do it. I do think Red's progress when he was training on an odd schedule is a bit more evidence to support the idea of between days, but also is a good example of intense sessions. I know he'd have 45-60 minute sessions when he was able to performing bends and squeezes almost endlessly during a set. Regardless of what anyone may say if you train intensely you're going to need time to heal and come back from it, that is if you want to grow from those types of sessions.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Ocd, I dont really know how to answer you .... I think I just went sooo intense during my sessions that it kinda would have been 5 or 7 days in those few days I did .... maybe I have 'certain' genetics for this stuff?

All I know is I put my heart and soul into it and went 100% erect and more, expanded upon that in every session and pushed it further and further, so the answer might be in that .... push your girth fatter and fatter each session, within saferty and pain barrier and you should see gains but give it many months to cement and become permanent, and I dont give a fuck what anyone says in relation to that i.e gains cement after 4 weeks [1 month] compared to 24 weeks [6 months] ... for me, keep it intense and push the girth fatter and fatter eachtime for many months and YOU WILL GAIN ... YOU WILL.