BIB's PE History, "Hanging Guru", creator of BIB hangers, Great read!1

[bjohnson123]

>I know that I had good early gains from this ligament stretch; from everything being pulled down and out of my body. If I had to estimate, I would say around two inches.

Bib,
How long do you think it took you to gain those first two inches?

 

[Bib]

Dex,

>What do you mean when you say that your flaccid was only pointing up and never pointing down?
Do you mean for example, that your penis hung in a 7-8 o clock position (according to the LOT test where you have an imaginary clock to measure your LOT) when flaccid?<

I mean there was never ANY hang. My flaccid state was a nub.

I had, and still have, a great amount of elastin collagenous material in my shaft. I was a 'grower', and still am.

>What was your flaccid hung when you use the clock as a measuring instrument?<

10-12. There was nothing "downward" about my flaccid state.

>Does this mean that if you are only stretching your ligs and no tunica, the tip of your glans would be no closer to the bellybutton when measuring straight up?<

That is somewhat correct. Even when hanging at the lower angles, you are still stressing the outer tunica, from the shaft lig attachment to the head. You might gain some from stretching the true outer tunica, from the ligs to the head, from lower angle hanging, but that is stressing only perhaps one third of the entire tunica.

The greater gains in relation to the navel will come from upper angle hanging, stressing the entire tunica.

>You will only notice gains from lig stretching when you are measuring straight out or below?<

In relation to the navel? Yes, except for the amount of tunica gain you might have. If you mean just ordinary gains, you should see them at any angle, as long as you place the butt of the ruler into the ligs. The ligs will be longer, allowing you to place the ruler further down.

>If this is the case, why are people reporting that they actually gained shaft lenght from downward hanging?<

Because they are exposing more of the inner shaft as outer shaft, pulling the shaft out and down.

>I do not understand how your penis will be longer after lig work.<

The outer tunica will stretch and grow from downward angle hanging. But the greatest gain will come from expressing inner shaft as outer shaft, as the shaft is pulled down and out.

bdjohnson,

>How long do you think it took you to gain those first two inches?<

I believe about eight months.

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[dex]

Dex,
>What was your flaccid hung when you use the clock as a measuring instrument?<

10-12. There was nothing "downward" about my flaccid state.
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I have always problems to imagine what guys really mean when they are talking about the angle of their flaccid hung.
For example i do not know if they report their angle of their flaccid glans or the angle of the first cm of the shaft which comes direct out of the skin.
Obviously the angle of the first cm of the shaft is smaller than the angle of the glans, because the glans hangs down in almost every case, its because of gravity.
So what do you mean when you are saying your flaccid hang was between 10-12? Do you mean that your glans hanged almost to ceiling when erect?

Now i will combine a high flaccid hang (clock measurement) with an high exit point. I hope there is a correlation. If there is no one, please correct me.

I always thought that a high exit point (im talking about your third test "full nudity or exit point" test, not the manuell palpation test!) means that may be the first cm of your outside penis extends paralell to the floor (when the individuall is standing and you are looking at the penis from the side) and then the rest drops down. How much it drops down is dependent on the flaccid lenght and girth, because if you are longer and more girthier you are heavier and the penis hangs more down compared to another individual with the same high exit point but with less length and girth.
So the result is: Do not measure the flaccid and exit point angle from the tip of the glans because it gives you a wrong number especially when you are comparing flaccid penises. The guys with bigger flaccid get lower measurements, because of their more mass the flaccid penis is more hung.

Hope you got me.

 

[dex]

@bib
I found an old illustration from you. It might be good for further discussions.

 

[dex]

@bib,

can you please describe what the points with the different colours(red,blue,green) mean? Are they symbolizing the different stages of exit points when doing lig work?
Where is the end of the pubica bone in this graphic? Is it the semicircle above the red point?

 

[Bib]

dex,

>I have always problems to imagine what guys really mean when they are talking about the angle of their flaccid hung.
For example i do not know if they report their angle of their flaccid glans or the angle of the first cm of the shaft which comes direct out of the skin.<

I am not sure what most guys mean.

>Obviously the angle of the first cm of the shaft is smaller than the angle of the glans, because the glans hangs down in almost every case, its because of gravity.
So what do you mean when you are saying your flaccid hang was between 10-12? Do you mean that your glans hanged almost to ceiling when erect?<

Before Penis Enlargement and hanging, I had NO flaccid hang. Essentially, just my head was exiting the skin, at the very top of the pubic bone. When I became erect, the erection grew out of a straight up flaccid, and the erection was also straight up. Damn strange looking back on it.

Further, the amount of flaccid hang is greatly dependent on the amount of elastin fibers within the shaft. I had, and still have, a great deal of elastin. Before Penis Enlargement, I could greatly stretch out my small flaccid, from a nub, to almost six inches. Now, I have about 5-7 inches of flaccid hang, but can stretch out to 11 plus inches.

>Now i will combine a high flaccid hang (clock measurement) with an high exit point. I hope there is a correlation. If there is no one, please correct me.<

I assume in most cases, a high flaccid hang would correlate to a high exit point.

>I always thought that a high exit point (im talking about your third test "full nudity or exit point" test, not the manuell palpation test!) means that may be the first cm of your outside penis extends paralell to the floor (when the individuall is standing and you are looking at the penis from the side) and then the rest drops down. How much it drops down is dependent on the flaccid lenght and girth, because if you are longer and more girthier you are heavier and the penis hangs more down compared to another individual with the same high exit point but with less length and girth.
So the result is: Do not measure the flaccid and exit point angle from the tip of the glans because it gives you a wrong number especially when you are comparing flaccid penises. The guys with bigger flaccid get lower measurements, because of their more mass the flaccid penis is more hung.<

Yes. When looking at exit points, you look only where the shaft comes out of the skin. The head has nothing to do with it.

>can you please describe what the points with the different colours(red,blue,green) mean?<

Those are arbitrary, possible exit points given as examples.

>Are they symbolizing the different stages of exit points when doing lig work?<

They could be. But I do not believe that is why I made the drawing.

>Where is the end of the pubica bone in this graphic? Is it the semicircle above the red point?<

That line is the bottom of the pubic bone.

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[dex]

Dex,
>Does this mean that if you are only stretching your ligs and no tunica, the tip of your glans would be no closer to the bellybutton when measuring straight up?<

That is somewhat correct. Even when hanging at the lower angles, you are still stressing the outer tunica, from the shaft lig attachment to the head. You might gain some from stretching the true outer tunica, from the ligs to the head, from lower angle hanging, but that is stressing only perhaps one third of the entire tunica.

The greater gains in relation to the navel will come from upper angle hanging, stressing the entire tunica.

Actually im measuring my unit in a sitting position. I do this beacause i can measure more exactly this way, because i can remain my full erection in this position better. When im measuring my unit when im standing and i put my ruler on top, im 0,2 inches shorter. I think this is because of the fat pad.
Do you have an idea, why the standing position measurement is shorter?

So when im starting to hit the ligs, do i have to change my measurement method? Im asking, because when i gain by lig stretching my exit point will only lower. When i put my ruler on my unit while sitting, the ruler will not show my gains because the tip of my glans is not closer to my navel.


Can you tell me why some people are considering only tunica gains as real gains?
Im asking you this, because im a little bit confused about lig gains, i have a hard time to imagine how my unit gets longer by lig gains. I only had tunica gains and i could see them on the ruler. I could measure my unit in every position, and every postion i measured, tells me the same amount of gain.
I think with lig gains, it is not the same, it depends on how you are measuring.

 

[dex]

dex,
>Now i will combine a high flaccid hang (clock measurement) with an high exit point. I hope there is a correlation. If there is no one, please correct me.<

I assume in most cases, a high flaccid hang would correlate to a high exit point.

We both forgot to define what a high flaccid hang is.
I guess your flaccid hang prior your hanging career is not so common.
When talking about flaccid hang, you have to keep in mind, that this hang will not be higher than 9 o clock (clock measurement) in most cases.
Is flaccid hang the same like exit point, so that you are only measureing the first cm of the shaft?

 

[Bib]

dex,

>Actually im measuring my unit in a sitting position. I do this beacause i can measure more exactly this way, because i can remain my full erection in this position better. When im measuring my unit when im standing and i put my ruler on top, im 0,2 inches shorter. I think this is because of the fat pad.
Do you have an idea, why the standing position measurement is shorter?<

I think it is different for different guys, depending on several factors.

>So when im starting to hit the ligs, do i have to change my measurement method? Im asking, because when i gain by lig stretching my exit point will only lower. When i put my ruler on my unit while sitting, the ruler will not show my gains because the tip of my glans is not closer to my navel.<

No, always measure consistantly.

>Can you tell me why some people are considering only tunica gains as real gains?<

I have no idea. Any amount of "new" usable shaft is a gain in my book.

>Im asking you this, because im a little bit confused about lig gains, i have a hard time to imagine how my unit gets longer by lig gains.<

More shaft is exposed, and able to be used.

>I only had tunica gains and i could see them on the ruler. I could measure my unit in every position, and every postion i measured, tells me the same amount of gain.
I think with lig gains, it is not the same, it depends on how you are measuring.<

With lig gains, you should be able to place the butt of the ruler futher down, and measure the increase in exposed shaft.

>Is flaccid hang the same like exit point, so that you are only measureing the first cm of the shaft?<

I am not sure what you are asking. The "first cm" after the exit point, simply shows the exit point. With high, tight ligs, there will be less flaccid hang, less shaft outside of the body. The longer the ligs, the more they are stretched, the more shaft which will be outside the body, and the longer flaccid hang. Also, the exit point will be lower, as the ligs are stretched.


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[dex]

dex,
>Im asking you this, because im a little bit confused about lig gains, i have a hard time to imagine how my unit gets longer by lig gains.<

More shaft is exposed, and able to be used.

>I only had tunica gains and i could see them on the ruler. I could measure my unit in every position, and every postion i measured, tells me the same amount of gain.
I think with lig gains, it is not the same, it depends on how you are measuring.<

With lig gains, you should be able to place the butt of the ruler futher down, and measure the increase in exposed shaft
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For now, i think i have understand what you are telling me.
What about tunica gains? If you made tunica gains, you also have an increase in exposed shaft.Is this true?
If yes, where is the difference between tunica and lig gains?

 

[Bib]

dex,

>What about tunica gains? If you made tunica gains, you also have an increase in exposed shaft.Is this true?<

Surely.

>If yes, where is the difference between tunica and lig gains?<

As far as usable meat? No difference.

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[dex]

Hi Bib,
i have some new questions about the exit point.Please look at the drawings.

Question 1:What is a high exit point in this 2 drawings?
a)Does every penis , no matter if you have a high or low exit point, exits the body just directly under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing)?
Or in other words, the lig(s) hold(s) the penis just under the arch and the other end of the lig(s) is connected to the pubic symphysis.

b)Or do you mean with high exit point that, the higher the ligs are conected to the pubic symphysis, the higher your exit point is? This would also mean, that every penis exits the body just under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing).

If this is the case, im asking me how long the pubic symphysis is! I wanted to know the lenght of my pubic symphysis, so i started to measure it.
I started measuring from the top of the arch!
So the top of the arch is your startpoint. Now, the problem is to localize the other point to measure the distance.
I did it the following way. I stood normal, my back was straight, and pressed the fingers of both of my hands at the top of the arch. Then i went with all fingers up (palpating the bone)to the direction of my stomach. My fingers went up and were on the bone all the time. Then i palpated a curve, which means that the bone curved inside my body.

I interpretated this curve not as the front side of my pubic bone anymore.
I hope this interpretation was right. I did so, because i couldnt think of the possibility,that the ligs are connected to the curve, may be they are connected to the beginning of the curve, which i define as the end of the pubic front face.
I hope you got me here.

I hope you got my ideas on how to measure the lenght of your pubic symphysis. Mine was 2 cm long.
When my way of measurement is right the average lenght of the pubic symphysis is 1,8-2,5 cm ( i assume this).
This would mean, that the differences between a high,low and normal exit point would be just some millimeters. A low exit point sits under the arch, a high exit points sits on top of the pubic symphysis and medium exit point sits in the middle, 1 cm above the arch and one cm below the end of the pubic symphysis.


Question 2: What does lowering your exit point mean, when looking on the drawings?

When point a) in question 1 is true, a lower exit point would mean, that your penis will lower only in the urogenital triangle after some lig work by hanging or stretching. In other words, it will lower from the top of the arch(can also be described as the upper single point in the triangle, the 2 lower points are building the border line to the anal triangle) to the dotted line where the end of the urogenital triangle is and the anal triangle begins. This would mean i have reached the lowest possible exit point

When point b) is true , i do not know how to explain the lowering of penis. May be its the same like above, the only difference is, that you have 2 additional cm more (hope this is the right lenght for the pubic symphysis) to lower your penis. Or it can also be interpretated as the bonus gaining, guys with LOTS from 10-12 have compared to guys who just exit under the arch and have a LOT from 8.30 -10 (this would mean that point a is true = high exit point means the penis exits under the arch or is connected by ligs just under the arch).


Some single questions:

Does the border line between the urogenital triangle and the anal triangle can be interpretated as the end of the pubic bone, the one you are talking in your manuel palpation test?


When doing the full nudity test, do you have to press your legs together?
Im asking this, because i saw some picture here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (it was the guy in the s-curve thread) and at thunders, where all guys were doing so.
Is it necessary because you can see the groinal grooves better this way?


I hope my posting is not too confusing.

 

[Bib]

dex,

>I hope my posting is not too confusing.<

No, but your drawings are. Both of these drawings are from the angle of between the guys legs, looking up. They are irrelevant concerning any of the questions you asked.

>Question 1:What is a high exit point in this 2 drawings?<

Cannot tell anything from the drawings.

>a)Does every penis , no matter if you have a high or low exit point, exits the body just directly under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing)?<

No. Each penis travels under the pubic bone. Then, some may exit the skin immediately, a low LOT. The rest travel up the front face of the pubic bone a certain distance, before exiting the skin.

>Or in other words, the lig(s) hold(s) the penis just under the arch and the other end of the lig(s) is connected to the pubic symphysis.<

The ligs do NOT hold the penis just under the arch. Well, there are some ligs which do this, but they are not relevant. The ligs which hold the shaft on the front face of the pubic bone are the suspensory ligs.

>b)Or do you mean with high exit point that, the higher the ligs are conected to the pubic symphysis, the higher your exit point is?<

Yes, and the degree of tightness of those susp ligs. I still have a high attachment point, but much longer ligs now.

>This would also mean, that every penis exits the body just under the pubic arch (upper single triangle point in the drawing).<

The drawing is not relevant. The triangles you refer to are not relevant. The shaft travels just under the pubic bone. The triangles are further back.

>If this is the case, im asking me how long the pubic symphysis is! I wanted to know the lenght of my pubic symphysis, so i started to measure it.
I started measuring from the top of the arch!
So the top of the arch is your startpoint. Now, the problem is to localize the other point to measure the distance.
I did it the following way. I stood normal, my back was straight, and pressed the fingers of both of my hands at the top of the arch. Then i went with all fingers up (palpating the bone)to the direction of my stomach. My fingers went up and were on the bone all the time. Then i palpated a curve, which means that the bone curved inside my body.<

I believe the average front face of the PB is 37 mm. However, the collagenous tissues may attach the shaft even higher than the pubic bone, into the collagenous webbing of the abdomen.

Yes, the bone curves.

>I interpretated this curve not as the front side of my pubic bone anymore.<

I consider it all, curve included, to be the front face of the pubic bone.

>I hope this interpretation was right. I did so, because i couldnt think of the possibility,that the ligs are connected to the curve, may be they are connected to the beginning of the curve, which i define as the end of the pubic front face.<

As I said above, the ligs can be connected all the way to the abdomen.

>I hope you got my ideas on how to measure the lenght of your pubic symphysis. Mine was 2 cm long.
When my way of measurement is right the average lenght of the pubic symphysis is 1,8-2,5 cm ( i assume this).
This would mean, that the differences between a high,low and normal exit point would be just some millimeters. A low exit point sits under the arch, a high exit points sits on top of the pubic symphysis and medium exit point sits in the middle, 1 cm above the arch and one cm below the end of the pubic symphysis.<

No, you do not have the right ideas.

>Question 2: What does lowering your exit point mean, when looking on the drawings?<

Nothing. You would need drawings from the side or frontal aspects.

>When point a) in question 1 is true, a lower exit point would mean, that your penis will lower only in the urogenital triangle after some lig work by hanging or stretching.

In other words, it will lower from the top of the arch(can also be described as the upper single point in the triangle, the 2 lower points are building the border line to the anal triangle) to the dotted line where the end of the urogenital triangle is and the anal triangle begins. This would mean i have reached the lowest possible exit point<

No. You are completely wrong. If you lower the exit point from the aspect of the urogenital triangle, your shaft would fall out of your ass. Wrong angle in the drawings.

>Does the border line between the urogenital triangle and the anal triangle can be interpretated as the end of the pubic bone, the one you are talking in your manuel palpation test?<

No. Nothing to do with nothing. You are looking up between the drawings legs.


>When doing the full nudity test, do you have to press your legs together?
Im asking this, because i saw some picture here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (it was the guy in the s-curve thread) and at thunders, where all guys were doing so.
Is it necessary because you can see the groinal grooves better this way?<

I do not think it makes much difference.

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[dex]

Can you tell me the difference between the pubic symphysis and the pubic bone? Did you used it as the same meaning?

How long is the front face of the pubic bone?

Is your exit point at the junction of the 2 legs?

I read that every penis exits right under the pubic symphysis,so the penis comes out under the arch and is attached to the pubic symphysis(sits under it). The ligs hold the shaft to the front face of the pubic symphysis. The ligs are connected to different high points on the front face. Some go even into the abdomen. Is this right?

If this is right, does it mean you have a high exit point when your ligs are attached high on the front face of the pubic symphysis, which by the way is only 3 cm long?

If this is also right, what has the pubic bone to do with a high or low exit point?

Is bottom of the pubic symphysis the same like the bottom of the pubic bone?


When you are lowering your penis through lig work, your exit point will go down. Does this mean that your shaft sits not under the pubic symphysis anymore?

Now i have some questions about penis enlargement.

It is common to gain 1 inch in erect after surgery. You can read it in the internet when doing a google search. Why can you gain more than that by hanging?

Please take a look at this site:
http://www.penis-enlargement.com/penis_gallery2.html

The way i understood it is, that these guys where doing laser surgery "that releases the suspensory ligaments that attach the penis to the under surface of the pubic bone."
I do not know why they are calling it under surface, but ok.
I guess hanging is based on the same concept, the difference is, that hanging only stretches the ligs.
But my question is, after surgery the guys exit points should have droped, but i can not see it on the pictures.

 

[dex]

@Bib

You said that the semicircle above the red point is the bottom of the pubic bone.
What does the semicircle above the blue point/under the green point mean?

 

[Bib]

dex,

I have answered all of this crap, multiple times already. Some of the exact same questions.

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[REDZULU2003]

The Godfather of hanging, BIB! His story.

 

[DLD]

dex,

I have answered all of this crap, multiple times already. Some of the exact same questions.

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I guess so

 

[allergix]

this is an awesome inspiration thread for hangers XD

 

[well hung]

Oh my god, is that possible? going from 6 to 10 inches is so fucking insane.

 

[stillwantmore]

BIB never proved any gains. He's a great word smith, though.

 

[longstretch]

So first you create a thread to credit him, use his info and hanger to gain, rip off his hanger and then work to discredit him and any other competition sans DLD

 

[stillwantmore]

Exactly. Modifying an existing design is not "ripping off" anything. It's done very frequently in other industries. Some prefer the BIB, some prefer mine. That's fine with me.

To say someone has never proven himself is not discredit, if it's the truth. It's stating the truth.
Many people follow the lead of unproven leaders in many walks of life and that's their prerogative.

Not to split hairs here, but ah heck. I can make an arms length observation and compare the LG hanger to the old Max Vac and say the LG is a ripoff if I want, can't I? They look an awful lot alike. They are supposedly different though.

 

[well hung]

But do you believe what he stated? I only believe his length gains were 2 inches.

 

[stillwantmore]

But do you believe what he stated? I only believe his length gains were 2 inches.

Hard to say honestly. On the one hand, the guy does sound like he knows about a lot of stuff and he did help me with my knowledge base back in the day. However, he never proved any gains. My logic says, if I'm selling something that I claim works, I should be able to and willing to (especially as my own best client....or one of them anyway) prove, my claims. I would not expect to sell a piece of workout equipment swearing it's the next great innovation on the market, yet never show any results of my own.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Hard to say honestly. On the one hand, the guy does sound like he knows about a lot of stuff and he did help me with my knowledge base back in the day. However, he never proved any gains. My logic says, if I'm selling something that I claim works, I should be able to and willing to (especially as my own best client....or one of them anyway) prove, my claims. I would not expect to sell a piece of workout equipment swearing it's the next great innovation on the market, yet never show any results of my own.

well thats something to take into account.true

 

[DLD]

I think Bib is Thunder and so does LIGHTNING. If so, very deceptive!

 

[REDZULU2003]

He certainly knew his craft, credit where its due. Whatever his gains, proven or not, he to me, is one of the experts in hanging, and most experienced hangers today learned either via, or through his work.

So, this thread gives insight into his history I suppose, for anyone interested.

Take what you like from it ... I really liked the technical way of his thinking.