Effectiveness of the Jelq

[dmoney101]

I've tried a lot of different exercises and clamping, but never really got any gains. The only basic move i never got into was jelqing. Could this be the missing link to my gains? Just how effective are they? I was thinking maybe i should jelq Monday through Friday and do stretches Monday, Wednesday, and Friday

 

[REDZULU2003]

Very effective, learn and try them.

 

[savageblue]

I've tried a lot of different exercises and clamping, but never really got any gains. The only basic move i never got into was jelqing. Could this be the missing link to my gains? Just how effective are they? I was thinking maybe i should jelq Monday through Friday and do stretches Monday, Wednesday, and Friday

You have basically been avoiding the very foundation of Penis Enlargement. As REDZULU said, jelqing is very effective.
You can check my signature to see my gains. They are the soul result of jelqing and some edging. I do no other exercises.

So give it a try and be sure to follow the advice for newbies on this one.

 

[dmoney101]

You have basically been avoiding the very foundation of Penis Enlargement. As REDZULU said, jelqing is very effective.
You can check my signature to see my gains. They are the soul result of jelqing and some edging. I do no other exercises.

So give it a try and be sure to follow the advice for newbies on this one.

haha yea pretty much. i never really liked them, i guess since i never got the immediate expansion people say they see and because my hands get really tired after a few minutes of doing them

 

[irspow]

Jelqing is as old as hanging (or traction force). Engorgement (of which jelqing is a technique) and traction (ie, stretching, hanging, etc) are the two techniques that encompass all penis enlargement exercises. We can only apply forces to the cells artificially to induce mitosis utilizing internal or external forces.

Jelqing builds internal pressure beyond "normal" pressure differential created by the relaxation of "smooth muscle". (Which really is still a form of traction to the individual fibers, but from a different perspective :D) The only way to chemically "relax" the smooth muscle further is to increase blood flow with vasodilators. Most importantly, Nitric Oxide is responsible for the "expansion" or "relaxation" of the smooth muscle.

To manually force these tissues and chambers to expand requires forcing more blood into the chambers than your "normal" blood pressure will produce. Jelqing is the oldest and most used technique to do so. You are simplistically "training" your penis to hold more blood than it normally would.

Ideally, one would supplement in order to produce a high level of nitric oxide and stay engorged slightly beyond "normal" for as long as possible while still allowing blood to flow into and out of the penis. That is why jelqing is so effective and safe. It constantly (while performing the exercise that is) creates higher than normal expansion of the penis while also allowing new blood to flow in and out of the penis. Without blood flow, or new blood, you have effectively started to "suffocate" your penis of nutrients and oxygen. Causing mitosis without blood, or chemical flow, is like standing still. Daughter cells will not grow into parent cells until they are "fed" sufficiently. :D And will die before reaching "maturity" or arriving a GZero if "starved".

So jelqing is in some ways superior to clamping or partial vacuums because it continually exceeds "normal" peak engorgement while at the same time inducing new blood to enter the "chambers" of the CC and CS while exercising. The advantage of clamping or partial vacuums is that one can be expanded for longer periods of time than they would by using their hands. However, those techniques lend themselves oftentimes to expanding more than is necessary without encouraging an increased blood flow at the same time.

Blah, blah, blah. :D Jelqing and kegels are, with the exception of their limitations as far as manual stamina and strength are concerned, the most effective and safest ways to make your penis more able to hold and collect blood in the penis. In the end, engorgement exercises are all about increasing the ability to supply and accept more blood into the penis, or create a pressure differential, which makes the penis "grow" to erection.

Anyway, if you are not seeing gains, even if you weren't jelqing, there is something wrong. Either the intensity (force) or duration of your exercises was not sufficient to induce mitosis. Most likely without knowing your exact routine, it is a matter of duration, because almost everything trendy in the Penis Enlargement world is about producing too much intensity for far too short of a duration. Easiest way to increase "intensity" without increasing the force used is to apply significant heat while performing any exercise to weaken the chemical structure (electrical bonds) and to reduce the tensile strength of the "fibers". Easiest way to increase duration is to either use less force so that you can endure it longer or use a device to apply said force that you can tolerate for as long as possible for you.

Tom

 

[savageblue]

*sole (regarding my previous post)

Well, the expansion depends a bit on your erection level when you perform the jelq. Moreover, it is easier to feel it than to actually see it.
For instance, if you're jelqing (at around a 70% erection), try using your free hand to wrap your index finger and thumb around your glans, forming a reverse OK sign (just so it doesn't get in the way of your jelqing hand). Don't squeeze your glans with those fingers, just let them wrap around it. Now, as you jelq with your other hand, from the base of your shaft towards your glans, try and feel the expansion in your glans with those two fingers. You will probably feel the "throb".

As for your hands getting tired, it's just a matter of getting them used to the exercise. Even today, after more than 1 year jelqing, I sometimes feel my hands getting tired too. So don't sweat it, just keep doing it and take your time.

 

[savageblue]

Jelqing is as old as hanging (or traction force). Engorgement (of which jelqing is a technique) and traction (ie, stretching, hanging, etc) are the two techniques that encompass all penis enlargement exercises. We can only apply forces to the cells artificially to induce mitosis utilizing internal or external forces.

Jelqing builds internal pressure beyond "normal" pressure differential created by the relaxation of "smooth muscle". (Which really is still a form of traction to the individual fibers, but from a different perspective :D) The only way to chemically "relax" the smooth muscle further is to increase blood flow with vasodilators. Most importantly, Nitric Oxide is responsible for the "expansion" or "relaxation" of the smooth muscle.

To manually force these tissues and chambers to expand requires forcing more blood into the chambers than your "normal" blood pressure will produce. Jelqing is the oldest and most used technique to do so. You are simplistically "training" your penis to hold more blood than it normally would.

Ideally, one would supplement in order to produce a high level of nitric oxide and stay engorged slightly beyond "normal" for as long as possible while still allowing blood to flow into and out of the penis. That is why jelqing is so effective and safe. It constantly (while performing the exercise that is) creates higher than normal expansion of the penis while also allowing new blood to flow in and out of the penis. Without blood flow, or new blood, you have effectively started to "suffocate" your penis of nutrients and oxygen. Causing mitosis without blood, or chemical flow, is like standing still. Daughter cells will not grow into parent cells until they are "fed" sufficiently. :D And will die before reaching "maturity" or arriving a GZero if "starved".

So jelqing is in some ways superior to clamping or partial vacuums because it continually exceeds "normal" peak engorgement while at the same time inducing new blood to enter the "chambers" of the CC and CS while exercising. The advantage of clamping or partial vacuums is that one can be expanded for longer periods of time than they would by using their hands. However, those techniques lend themselves oftentimes to expanding more than is necessary without encouraging an increased blood flow at the same time.

Blah, blah, blah. :D Jelqing and kegels are, with the exception of their limitations as far as manual stamina and strength are concerned, the most effective and safest ways to make your penis more able to hold and collect blood in the penis. In the end, engorgement exercises are all about increasing the ability to supply and accept more blood into the penis, or create a pressure differential, which makes the penis "grow" to erection.

Anyway, if you are not seeing gains, even if you weren't jelqing, there is something wrong. Either the intensity (force) or duration of your exercises was not sufficient to induce mitosis. Most likely without knowing your exact routine, it is a matter of duration, because almost everything trendy in the Penis Enlargement world is about producing too much intensity for far too short of a duration. Easiest way to increase "intensity" without increasing the force used is to apply significant heat while performing any exercise to weaken the chemical structure (electrical bonds) and to reduce the tensile strength of the "fibers". Easiest way to increase duration is to either use less force so that you can endure it longer or use a device to apply said force that you can tolerate for as long as possible for you.

Tom

Holy shit, man, now there's a nice explanation

 

[Tomek]

Agreed. Very informative.

Holy shit, man, now there's a nice explanation

 

[DLD]

Holy shit, man, now there's a nice explanation

It is beautiful when you realize how many people give of themselves so graciously, very inspiring.

 

[dmoney101]

Jelqing is as old as hanging (or traction force). Engorgement (of which jelqing is a technique) and traction (ie, stretching, hanging, etc) are the two techniques that encompass all penis enlargement exercises. We can only apply forces to the cells artificially to induce mitosis utilizing internal or external forces.

Jelqing builds internal pressure beyond "normal" pressure differential created by the relaxation of "smooth muscle". (Which really is still a form of traction to the individual fibers, but from a different perspective :D) The only way to chemically "relax" the smooth muscle further is to increase blood flow with vasodilators. Most importantly, Nitric Oxide is responsible for the "expansion" or "relaxation" of the smooth muscle.

To manually force these tissues and chambers to expand requires forcing more blood into the chambers than your "normal" blood pressure will produce. Jelqing is the oldest and most used technique to do so. You are simplistically "training" your penis to hold more blood than it normally would.

Ideally, one would supplement in order to produce a high level of nitric oxide and stay engorged slightly beyond "normal" for as long as possible while still allowing blood to flow into and out of the penis. That is why jelqing is so effective and safe. It constantly (while performing the exercise that is) creates higher than normal expansion of the penis while also allowing new blood to flow in and out of the penis. Without blood flow, or new blood, you have effectively started to "suffocate" your penis of nutrients and oxygen. Causing mitosis without blood, or chemical flow, is like standing still. Daughter cells will not grow into parent cells until they are "fed" sufficiently. :D And will die before reaching "maturity" or arriving a GZero if "starved".

So jelqing is in some ways superior to clamping or partial vacuums because it continually exceeds "normal" peak engorgement while at the same time inducing new blood to enter the "chambers" of the CC and CS while exercising. The advantage of clamping or partial vacuums is that one can be expanded for longer periods of time than they would by using their hands. However, those techniques lend themselves oftentimes to expanding more than is necessary without encouraging an increased blood flow at the same time.

Blah, blah, blah. :D Jelqing and kegels are, with the exception of their limitations as far as manual stamina and strength are concerned, the most effective and safest ways to make your penis more able to hold and collect blood in the penis. In the end, engorgement exercises are all about increasing the ability to supply and accept more blood into the penis, or create a pressure differential, which makes the penis "grow" to erection.

Anyway, if you are not seeing gains, even if you weren't jelqing, there is something wrong. Either the intensity (force) or duration of your exercises was not sufficient to induce mitosis. Most likely without knowing your exact routine, it is a matter of duration, because almost everything trendy in the Penis Enlargement world is about producing too much intensity for far too short of a duration. Easiest way to increase "intensity" without increasing the force used is to apply significant heat while performing any exercise to weaken the chemical structure (electrical bonds) and to reduce the tensile strength of the "fibers". Easiest way to increase duration is to either use less force so that you can endure it longer or use a device to apply said force that you can tolerate for as long as possible for you.

Tom

well fuck when you put it like that, i gotta jelq now lol. i think my main problem is that i have a problem sticking with Penis Enlargement for long enough. I guess it's cause i'm used to seeing results in a month of weight lifting, but after a month of Penis Enlargement nothing changes

 

[REDZULU2003]

So jelqing is in some ways superior to clamping or partial vacuums because it continually exceeds "normal" peak engorgement while at the same time inducing new blood to enter the "chambers" of the CC and CS while exercising. The advantage of clamping or partial vacuums is that one can be expanded for longer periods of time than they would by using their hands. However, those techniques lend themselves oftentimes to expanding more than is necessary without encouraging an increased blood flow at the same time.

Jelqing is as I have put it in the past the river that feeds the ocean with the ocean being the actual penis. River fits it nicely, a fast flowing river with the blood being effectivly 'milked' through the unit with each stroke. Clamping is a deep wide yet calm river channel but can escalate into a flood! regards to pumping can be said the same.

I feel it incorrect to state the normal peak engorgement is exceeded with jelqing versus clamping because circulation is never EVER stopped or cut off when clamping so the peak engorgement is always allowed to carry on as you kegel right? this in turn sends new fresh blood inside the penis which due to the clamp or whatever tourniquet is used, helps expand and increase the usual size of the penis.

Expanded for longer periods of time is correct but you have forgotten completely the fact I myself perform and advocate users to try clamped jelqing which is truely amazing. The last part of the quote is again not taking into account you do not stop circulation, its never halted otherwise I would agree with you on that score.

 

[irspow]

Red,

Thanks for the clamping perspective. You are obviously well experienced with that technique. (And I encourage all to visit Red's threads in the clamping forum!) I in no way meant to give the impression that clamping was dangerous or ineffective at all and I regret if my wording leads one to that impression.

I was merely pointing out that conventional jelqing allows more blood flow both in and out of the penis while exercising whereas clamping, from what I understand, is more biased towards allowing more blood into the penis while allowing less blood to flow out. (Because of the constant restriction placed more upon the exterior portion of the penis where most blood returns back to the body.) During extended periods, this still does present a limited FLOW overall and less circulation, while it does allow for greater expansion, intensity, or overall pressure differential. Blood cells will approach a hypoxic state if not exchanged at a fast enough rate. Which has a benefit that a lot of people do not talk about often as it relates to the penis. The tissues of the penis react to a hypoxic state by initiating vasodilation as a response to the lowering of oxygen content (and thus pressure as well). This may be one of the reasons that clamping is as effective as it is.

But it is always an honor and enlightening to have a Legend such as yourself add to the discussion. Thanks Red, for being you Brother.

Tom

 

[REDZULU2003]

It was very informative what you wrote and you have taught me something - The tissues of the penis react to a hypoxic state by initiating vasodilation as a response to the lowering of oxygen content (and thus pressure as well). This may be one of the reasons that clamping is as effective as it is. You've just explained scientifically why clamping works so well I couldn't and this is a first tbh the Hypoxic state being reacted to and hence the vasodilation being kicked in.

Any chance you could take this further and expand more into that area in clamping on the science? Thanks

 

[irspow]

Red,

The topic that you are asking to delve into is rather large, but obviously "everything is out there for those wishing to look for it." I feel like we might hijack this thread if we proceed to deeply. However, I can briefly touch on some things to spark your quest. :D

The statement that you found was "new" is actually very widely known in many fields of medicine. Essentially, clamping serves to initiate a slow progression into localized hypoxia because it allows more blood into the penis while allowing less blood out of the penis. This is why such intensity or pressure differential is possible with that technique. No matter how much blood you force into the clamped penis you are still far below the normal circulation or exchange rate that takes place without the constriction or clamp in place. While you are forcing more and more blood into the clamped penis, you are certainly not anywhere near supplying the same amount of "new" blood that arrives in the normal state. This is what leads to the localized hypoxia...and then the resultant body's defensive reaction.

The defensive reaction of vasodilation is an attempt to increase blood flow into the penis. This is primarily accomplished by a sudden release of histamine by "mast cells" in the tissue under distress. (as well as a release of, or production of, nitric oxide to relax "smooth muscle" tissue...slower process than the histamine release) Anyway, this process is well known. It is most often associated with applying pressure to tissue or even to arteries to cause localized hypoxia with the intent of artificially and "mechanically" inducing vasodilation. "Ischemic compression" is widely used to both cause vasodilation and to cause a large burst of "stored" or "waiting" blood and nutrients to "flush" the area once the force is removed.

Now so that all of this blather is related to this particular thread somehow while still being able to tie in with the above. (But could add to the above with clampers working in what follows) :D As to jelqing and the related and similar reactions to that type of "engorgement" exercise. The forceful "mechanical" movement of the blood into the penis also causes vasodilation. However, the histamine production is even higher for this forced flow versus simply static engorgement, over 120% increase in histamine is achieved during exercise. (It is a very rapid release of histamine instigated by nerves sending impulses to "mast cells" to release this chemical) Furthermore, this elevated histamine level remains for many hours after exercise is stopped.

Furthermore, if one is to stretch at the end of the jelq stroke, which is advisable, this force also adds to the goodies. :D Stretching the tissues has a vasoconstrictive effect. What! That is bad! LOL Yes, for our purposes it is. BUT the vasoconstrictive effect only last as long as the force is applied in the traction phase, or stretch. As soon as the force is released, vasodilation again rears its head in response in order to "protect" the cells. The most important part of this "stretching" effect is that the nerves in that area "learn" not to overreact with repetition. What happens, with dedicated and routine practice like all of us Penis Enlargementers practice , is that every stretch's vasoconstriction effect lasts shorter and shorter and shorter the more normal the stretching becomes. And the icing on the cake? The vasodilation that occurs when the force is removed still happens no matter how short the vasoconstriction duration becomes.

Isn't the human body miraculous? LOL

The Lunatic,

Tom

 

[DLD]

The Jelq is the backbone of most men's first routine. It is the fastest way to create symmetry, create gains, learn the limits of the penis, etc. Much is learned about in the jelq. Most girth exercises I created have largely been based around the jelq. Making the jelq more effective or more isolated is all about varying the technique. I have always told men to start with the jelq until I saw the Bathmate. I think both are rudimentary parts of most MOS users.

 

[Exiled15]

personally I never gained from jelqing and I was doing somewhere around a thousand a day by hand for around 3 months straight. I think I gained maybe a 1/4-3/8 of an inch but stopped and immediately lost it. Then I bought the power jelq gym and did like 1500 a day plus clamped jelqing and had massive expansion but never could keep anything I gained permenantly in the girth department. Not saying it doesnt work just saying it hasnt worked for me and im probally going to start back up anyhow because the theory alone makes sense and if you could just maintain the expansion it would all be worth it

 

[REDZULU2003]

Yes the human body is miraculous. Thanks irspow for the information.

 

[Juan Strokes]

personally I never gained from jelqing and I was doing somewhere around a thousand a day by hand for around 3 months straight. I think I gained maybe a 1/4-3/8 of an inch but stopped and immediately lost it. Then I bought the power jelq gym and did like 1500 a day plus clamped jelqing and had massive expansion but never could keep anything I gained permenantly in the girth department. Not saying it doesnt work just saying it hasnt worked for me and im probally going to start back up anyhow because the theory alone makes sense and if you could just maintain the expansion it would all be worth it

How many times did you do it in a week for that 3 months? I'm starting to get nervous about Jelqing, hopefully If I do it for a full straight year I gain at least ½" in length and a little bit of girth cemented.

 

[DLD]

I'm starting to get nervous about Jelqing, hopefully If I do it for a full straight year I gain at least ½" in length and a little bit of girth cemented.

Nothing to fear, if after starting the routine you find that expansion is not happening (length or girth) you can adjust it to a more powerful girth exercise or you could introduce equipment. Every man on Earth can gain, he needs to find what works and not only stick with it but always be looking to bring greater and greater size.

 

[savageblue]

How many times did you do it in a week for that 3 months? I'm starting to get nervous about Jelqing, hopefully If I do it for a full straight year I gain at least ½" in length and a little bit of girth cemented.

I gained about a full inch in 1 year just from jelqing. It works!