Tugger method vs normal method

Blueballs;608868 said:

Yes, I measure all 3 and it turned out they put out 1500, 2600 and 3200g at max compression, so at first maeker I have the max factory tension. Anyway even 2600 feels outrageous, it;s too much or maybe I'm not use to it.

~Blue.

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Do you feel the stretch becomes harder as you go up in spring tension? I mean, at what point do you think a stiffer spring would not be productive?

3200 feels way to much tension and it's painfull after 30mins or so, usually I can wear it at 1500 for 2-3 hours with the velcro. I belive that going up in tension is only necesary if you feel you hit a plateou at lower tensions like 1200-1500. For me 2000 feels like the perfect amount but I use the extender for 10 months at 1500, I belive that for someone that never used an ectender will be too much.

However... I wonder if higher tension for lower time under tension will produce the same plastic deformation and growth stimulation in the penis as longer sessions at lower tension, for example 2h at 3000g vs 4h at 1500. I think that if can get the same plastic deformation post workout with both sessions(for me was around +0.2 fsl after 5h at 1500) we can conclude that this stands true.

~Blue.

Blueballs;609007 said:

3200 feels way to much tension and it's painfull after 30mins or so, usually I can wear it at 1500 for 2-3 hours with the velcro. I belive that going up in tension is only necesary if you feel you hit a plateou at lower tensions like 1200-1500. For me 2000 feels like the perfect amount but I use the extender for 10 months at 1500, I belive that for someone that never used an ectender will be too much.

However... I wonder if higher tension for lower time under tension will produce the same plastic deformation and growth stimulation in the penis as longer sessions at lower tension, for example 2h at 3000g vs 4h at 1500. I think that if can get the same plastic deformation post workout with both sessions(for me was around +0.2 fsl after 5h at 1500) we can conclude that this stands true.

~Blue.

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Oh yea I would like to stay at 1500 without a shadow of a doubt, its just when I am in my VLC/SG attachment I go to 1500 and then the next thing I know its eases up tension decreases and I then I cant increase my tension without taking it off adding bars going through the shpeel of the putting it back on and off, Which is why I am so interested in increasing my resting point of tension so that it will be starting at 1500 instead of 900, because in all honesty I dont feel any reall tug or pull until I go to 1500, the other two settings just feel like nothing at all.

If you are up to it I'd say challenge yourself to test out that theory, do your usual routine and then implement a 2H's at 3000 after every 4H's at 1500 or for every two sets of 4H's at 1500 you do one 2H's at 3000. See what results you can yield.

Your Sizegenetics guides to progression and stretching for newbies is detailed and I think if this can yield good results and provide a better stretch it can be almost an intermediate stretching routine for those who seek the more intense stretching routine.

Im waiting for my x4 labs springs to come in and see what I can create with these bad boys, if I like it and see a plateau maybe then I'll do what you did and try to compile the springs from pens or pencils and intensify that routine.

If you're feeling hat 1500 dosen't give you significant stress levels(most men will stop seeing gains with the extenders after 8-14 months) there are other things you can do, first off add heat into the ecuation to speed up plastic deformation of tissues, this link will explain why that is important: https://iit.edu/arc/workshops/pdfs/MaterialsCreep.pdf

Seccond, use different strech position, bundeled and v-streches using a pen or something similar to create a fulctrum at the middle of the penis will dramatically increass the stress.. basically any strech position that your penis has not experienced before will kick-start your gains again.

~Blue.

Blueballs;609381 said:

If you're feeling hat 1500 dosen't give you significant stress levels(most men will stop seeing gains with the extenders after 8-14 months) there are other things you can do, first off add heat into the ecuation to speed up plastic deformation of tissues, this link will explain why that is important: https://iit.edu/arc/workshops/pdfs/MaterialsCreep.pdf

Seccond, use different strech position, bundeled and v-streches using a pen or something similar to create a fulctrum at the middle of the penis will dramatically increass the stress.. basically any strech position that your penis has not experienced before will kick-start your gains again.

~Blue.

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I feel the stretch at 1500g but for some reason the tension when increased to 1500 for some reason goes back to somewhere between 900-1200 and my stretch doesnt feel as intense so I have to increase not on the pistons but my hex thumb screws to max out and then I feel the stretch again but it becomes flimsy feeling and don't want the screw to pop out the hex piston.

That's because your connective tissue is deforming under the traction and it's the fundamental principle under the light-traction/long-duration streching devices(extenders) and the normal thing you should experince when using it. In other words YOU'RE GAINING DUDE.

The ideea is to start at 1500 and check tension every 15-20mins or so and increase it if the penis got more loose and turn up the tension to 1500 and continue to do so until the end of the set. Once you see the threads of the screws comming out of the hexagonal chamber it's a sign that's time to add another 0.25" bar and continue he process.. That's how you use an extener the right way, it's not rocket sience but very few man get it right.

~Blue.

Blueballs;609391 said:

That's because your connective tissue is deforming under the traction and it's the fundamental principle under the light-traction/long-duration streching devices(extenders) and the normal thing you should experince when using it. In other words YOU'RE GAINING DUDE.

The ideea is to start at 1500 and check tension every 15-20mins or so and increase it if the penis got more loose and turn up the tension to 1500 and continue to do so until the end of the set. Once you see the threads of the screws comming out of the hexagonal chamber it's a sign that's time to add another 0.25" bar and continue he process.. That's how you use an extener the right way, it's not rocket sience but very few man get it right.

~Blue.

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I start with both long rods and then use the .25 and then the .5.

So that just means its time to purchase some more rods as well since I have used my .25 already and then my .5. Yea I just have to stay up and continue my stretching and my extending. Gaining is one thing I just want to continue. Yea I just hate having to screw the hex screws to that extent, but it means making gains and opening the doorway to more length then so be it

So my X4 Lab springs came in. And they are quite a bit more stiff then the stock SG springs. I only was able to play with them in my hands yesterday and assemble it into my SG and test tension since I had to go to sleep earlier for work. But I will definitely be trying these bad boys out and I'm hoping I can still add my close to usual bars and keep my tension between the "1200" and "1500" markers which will be approximately 1800-2700g of tension. Yep I can see the gains now.

I'll make sure to post pictures when I get home of the springs and the device assembled and in used.

Neversettle;610221 said:

So my X4 Lab springs came in. And they are quite a bit more stiff then the stock SG springs. I only was able to play with them in my hands yesterday and assemble it into my SG and test tension since I had to go to sleep earlier for work. But I will definitely be trying these bad boys out and I'm hoping I can still add my close to usual bars and keep my tension between the "1200" and "1500" markers which will be approximately 1800-2700g of tension. Yep I can see the gains now.

I'll make sure to post pictures when I get home of the springs and the device assembled and in used.

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Cool, it will be interesting to hear how different they are but even more I would like to know how even stiffer springs would work. I think at a point they would become too stiff. People have been talking about 10,000 g springs and I do not think these would work due to stiffness. I guess what I am trying to figure out is at what point would the stiffness be too much.

I have been having trouble with my white tugger body of the VLC so I may need a slight resizing or possibly some more stretching previous to using the VLC tugger.
Here are the springs I have, the one on the bottom is the original Sizegenetics spring and the one on the top is the x4 labs. significant tension difference just using my fingers. I am anxious to use the new springs and see what gains may come and at what the difference in timeframe would be.

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Neversettle;611103 said:

I have been having trouble with my white tugger body of the VLC so I may need a slight resizing or possibly some more stretching previous to using the VLC tugger.
Here are the springs I have, the one on the bottom is the original Sizegenetics spring and the one on the top is the x4 labs. significant tension difference just using my fingers. I am anxious to use the new springs and see what gains may come and at what the difference in timeframe would be.

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Can't wait to hear your review. I am really hoping to find the most stiff spring that will give the best tension. My guess is in the 3500g area.

Blueballs;609391 said:

That's because your connective tissue is deforming under the traction and it's the fundamental principle under the light-traction/long-duration streching devices(extenders) and the normal thing you should experince when using it. In other words YOU'RE GAINING DUDE.

The ideea is to start at 1500 and check tension every 15-20mins or so and increase it if the penis got more loose and turn up the tension to 1500 and continue to do so until the end of the set. Once you see the threads of the screws comming out of the hexagonal chamber it's a sign that's time to add another 0.25" bar and continue he process.. That's how you use an extener the right way, it's not rocket sience but very few man get it right.

~Blue.

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been following this thread very closely. very good bit of information here and i was wondering the samething. I noticed i would set my tension pretty high, and then 1hr to 1hr 30 minutes in it would ease up. That is unless i am slowly slipping out of the VLC? but i have ordered another size vlc and cone to make sure that that theory is not happening. i should get it by next week. at the latest. i hope.

Neversettle;611103 said:

I have been having trouble with my white tugger body of the VLC so I may need a slight resizing or possibly some more stretching previous to using the VLC tugger.
Here are the springs I have, the one on the bottom is the original Sizegenetics spring and the one on the top is the x4 labs. significant tension difference just using my fingers. I am anxious to use the new springs and see what gains may come and at what the difference in timeframe would be.

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How has this been going for you? Curious to hear your results.