More Meat said:
Stridge:

I think your whole argument that BP measurements are inaccurate is faulty. BP measurements are more accurate simply because ones fat pad can change due to weight gain/ loss and can lead to inaccurate NPenis EnlargementL measurements (ie, inaccuracies of ones progress). And just like when you push the ruler into your fatpad to get the few extra notches on the ruler, so do you push a little extra dick in when your fucking a girl- its not all about what they see, but what they feel. The pad can change, but your pelvic bone and going anywhere. These things I would think would be obvious to someone whos been on the forums for a while..

Exactly. I gained .5" in "fatpad" just from cycling a product with Creatine. As I have still been working out and staying in shape, there is no way I could add .5" in just over a month with eating. Hopefully in a few weeks I'll be at 8" nbp, or just a little over.

"Anybody that can't hit the 8" marker without digging the ruler into their pubic bone is just kidding themselves."

So 99% of the Penis Enlargement community are kidding themselves? It sounds like you are jealous of something.
 
More Meat said:
Stridge:

I think your whole argument that BP measurements are inaccurate is faulty. BP measurements are more accurate simply because ones fat pad can change due to weight gain/ loss and can lead to inaccurate NPenis EnlargementL measurements (ie, inaccuracies of ones progress). And just like when you push the ruler into your fatpad to get the few extra notches on the ruler, so do you push a little extra dick in when your fucking a girl- its not all about what they see, but what they feel. The pad can change, but your pelvic bone and going anywhere. These things I would think would be obvious to someone whos been on the forums for a while..

Eh, I still disagree. As you can see, it appears I have about a 3/4" fatpad, but I can gurantee you that I'm not fucking my girlfriend with almost an extra inch of dick. I think it's a lot of wishful thinking that so many guys jam the ruler and somehow translate this as usable penis for sex. Maybe an obese guy with a ton of fat can push and get a little more extension than his visable penis, but seriously . . . When I'm having sex I'm also not generally grinding my pelvis as hard as I possibly can straight against her vagina.

Frankly, I see much more potential for irregularities in measurement with the bone press. The fact that bone press is always more accurate is a good example of what we used to call "bro-telligence" around here. There are a lot of different ways/angles/pressures the bone press can be done, and frankly I think it leaves room for guys to confuse themselves.

We're not all losing and gaining weight so rapidly that the amount of visible penis changes significantly between measurments - okay, if you happen to lose 20 lbs. and you think the fat pad really shrank a lot and it's making a big difference, then account for that.

But otherwise, visible penis is going to be very reliable, more so than the variables introduced by the bone-pressing, in terms of charting gains. If you're dick is measurably longer without the bone-press, and you're roughly the same weight - you can be damn sure your gain in measurement probably isn't attributable to pressing the ruler a little harder, or in a slightly different angle, etc.
 
"So 99% of the Penis Enlargement community are kidding themselves? It sounds like you are jealous of something."

That was a poor way to phrase it. My point was that a lot of the supposed 8" measurements around here are guys that are really cramming that thing into their bodies. They're then operating under the impression that they're packing 8", which seems to be an end goal for most based on pornography and just the desired stat quo on this forum. They're not really there, not by a long shot, and if that's their goal I think it's unfortunate that they're not really hitting it.

So far as jealousy, not quite. I won't be fucking anybody but my girlfriend and in all likelihood future wife for a looong time, and my penis is plenty for her. I'm just interested in Penis Enlargementing for some minimal gains as I have the time to do it at the moment, and I had made some modest progress before my professional life quit allowing me the time to work on Penis Enlargement.

As for gaining a .5" fatpad increase from creatine suppliments, how did you measure the increase in fatpad? And wasn't that just temporary water retension? Took that stuff back when I was in school for athletic purposes - whatever boost I felt like I might have gotten from it, the water retension and bloating I experienced definately was not worth it.

"Hopefully in a few weeks I'll be at 8" nbp, or just a little over."

That's terrific. I'm merely saying that for most, the most accurate and realistic way to measure is to not stick the ruler into your torso and call it penis (not saying you do this, haven't seen pictures).

I don't really see what's wrong with having the ruler actually start where your dick does - but for some reason the Penis Enlargement community has always been really resistent to the idea. The bone-pressing is taken as gospel, but I don't find any of the arguments for it as being greatly more accurate as convincing. In fact, I think its confusing, inaccurate, and puts guys under the wrong impression.
 
Sorry for misunderstanding you on the 99% thing.

As for bonepressing, sure you can just JAM it in there, but you can usually tell when people do that. In my pics I press enough to feel the "end of the fat". When I did that measurement a few days ago I did not feel pressure on my pubic bone.

Do a test with your finger. Stick it into your fatpad until you feel something like a strong skin resistance. Notice that you are not jamming it in, but merely pressing the skin(with fat underneath) back. However, press down hard, and you will feel a strong resistence from within the pubic bone itself. The difference between these two measurements can probably be up to .3" inches or more with a flexible ruler.

I'd say if you are doing bonepressed and feeling pain from the pubic bone then you are really fishing for those numbers, but I still see no overall problem with it, as it IS the maximum size you would be if you had 0 fat pad. However, I don't jam it into my fatpad, not because I think it's "cheating" or anything, but because I just can't hold it for more than two seconds.

NBP can be very deceiving, as I demonstrated in my pics that I recently posted. I had a pic of me just standing normally, no hands pulling my penis down, no nifty camera angle, just me standing with a normal erection. Honestly, if I were someone else looking at just that picture, I'd guess I was no more than 6" long. This is sort of going off topic, but your posture, camera angle, and the way your penis ENTERS your body when you are erect can dramatically change the "camera magic" of a penis. My penis has always "hid" when it was erect when I had no hands(or a vagina) to yank it out from underneath my body.

This is really making me think, again, how people have different ways in which their penis "hides" in the body when you are erect and use no force to "stabilize" it. I encourage you to take a look at those pics and see what I am talking about. Also, my "flaccid" in my pics looks nothing close to over 6", I'd guess no more than 4 if I was a bystander.

I have seen a few posts on the LPSG of members who have the same type of penis I do. It seems much smaller when you use nothing to pry it loose, even though it never lost any size. I also saw their pics and I had the same type of exit point, and other things, like how the penis curves into the body when erect, as these guys.
 
great debates on the NBPenis EnlargementL vs the BPenis EnlargementL...I measure NBPenis EnlargementL not because I want my dick to appear larger, but mostly because I know if I push the ruler to the bone when I measure the next time I measure I just have to hold it the same way and push it to the bone again to see if I've gained. As for the "pushing it in during sex" I noticed this the other night when my girlfriend was really sitting down on it. my fatpad is around 1 and a quarter inches which means normaly I'm only showing 5.25 or so erect penis. (kinda small in honesty) but she's probably using closer to 6 inches of it...(I think .5" is the "unuseable" measurement on fatpad if you're .5" or lower you probably can't push the extra penis hidden in, just my opinion) ...so who knows most of us are probably like you stridge I know I am. I'd love to hit my goal but it's not something I feel I have to do I've not heard any complaints and get tons of compliments from my girl *shrug* besides if you can make 'em cum I doubt they even care lol.

nice pics though you're a shower it seems I gain about 50% of my length when erect and you're getting a bit less than that I see.
 
10inchadvantage said:
Sorry for misunderstanding you on the 99% thing.

As for bonepressing, sure you can just JAM it in there, but you can usually tell when people do that. In my pics I press enough to feel the "end of the fat". When I did that measurement a few days ago I did not feel pressure on my pubic bone.

Do a test with your finger. Stick it into your fatpad until you feel something like a strong skin resistance. Notice that you are not jamming it in, but merely pressing the skin(with fat underneath) back. However, press down hard, and you will feel a strong resistence from within the pubic bone itself. The difference between these two measurements can probably be up to .3" inches or more with a flexible ruler.

I'd say if you are doing bonepressed and feeling pain from the pubic bone then you are really fishing for those numbers, but I still see no overall problem with it, as it IS the maximum size you would be if you had 0 fat pad. However, I don't jam it into my fatpad, not because I think it's "cheating" or anything, but because I just can't hold it for more than two seconds.

NBP can be very deceiving, as I demonstrated in my pics that I recently posted. I had a pic of me just standing normally, no hands pulling my penis down, no nifty camera angle, just me standing with a normal erection. Honestly, if I were someone else looking at just that picture, I'd guess I was no more than 6" long. This is sort of going off topic, but your posture, camera angle, and the way your penis ENTERS your body when you are erect can dramatically change the "camera magic" of a penis. My penis has always "hid" when it was erect when I had no hands(or a vagina) to yank it out from underneath my body.

This is really making me think, again, how people have different ways in which their penis "hides" in the body when you are erect and use no force to "stabilize" it. I encourage you to take a look at those pics and see what I am talking about. Also, my "flaccid" in my pics looks nothing close to over 6", I'd guess no more than 4 if I was a bystander.

I have seen a few posts on the LPSG of members who have the same type of penis I do. It seems much smaller when you use nothing to pry it loose, even though it never lost any size. I also saw their pics and I had the same type of exit point, and other things, like how the penis curves into the body when erect, as these guys.

No worries on any misunderstanding, I weant back and reread what I wrote and it doesn't convey what I intended, so you actually gave me a chance to clarify.

I haven't seen your pics - tried to take a look at your thread but it started slowing down my laptop heavily and I could see there were some giant photos embedded, so I quit out of the browser. You may want to just resize those or start a new one sometime as that one seems pretty overstuffed. Either way, I'm not addressing you personally, so please don't take it that way. I'm just waxing philosophical in general terms here, not harping on specific individuals.

So far as NBP being very decieving, I'll just have to take your word for that. In the case of my body, it adds length that is never visible in my erection, nor come into play during sex or otherwise - in effect it's just adding some extra measurement that I don't think actually exists.

I'm not sure what you mean about guys having their penises hidden and being stabalized by force or whatever, and I really have no desire to check out the bizarre-ness of websites like LPSG. One dick-related forum is more than enough for me. But, I can tell you that I've maintained a body weight about 35 lbs. heavier than my current weight (current: 190lbs, 6'1") for sports, which I feel is a significant amount, and it really didn't effect the view or functionality of my penis in anyway. But I'm sure whatever you're talking about is something unique to the individual.

So, I'll just summarize why I think NBP measurements are better, at least for me:

Bone-pressing, while tohught to be more exact, allows for several different variables. Pressure on the ruler, angling, the physical curvature of one's pubic bone (we've all seen the folks who measure into the corner of the pubic bone where the cuvature is at its highest - I can flaccid stretch over 9" when I do this - yet the old erection remains 7.25" - this is where many of the sily measurements we see on Penis Enlargement sites comes from).

Many men also start the ruler somewhat into their torso, meaning that they don't press the ruler at the base of their penis, they functionally allow it to 'slide-up' up a ways into the pubic region, which can ad significant amounts of length.

Now, none of this actually matters of you're measuring the exact same way every time, but I feel that if you are tracking minute amounts of progress, such as just a few tenths of an inch, then there are just too many things that could be done slightly differently and still "feel" the same to the measurer, which will undoubtedly compromise their results. It "feels" the same to me everytime I do lots of things, but I guarantee that is not always the case, and the same goes for BP measuring. I completely fail to see how it's so much more accurate, and like I said, I think the idea is just deeply ingrained in Penis Enlargement without a lot of very solid reasoning.

Only measuring your actual visable penis, however, eliminates this problem, in my opinion. Unless you are gaining and losing large amounts of weight extremely rapidly, it's highly unlikely that your pubic region is drastically changing in size. Your penis, on the other hand, should theoretically be reflecting the Penis Enlargement work, and will change in proportion to the pubic region. There are no measuring mistakes when you simply don't BP - I feel the point of reference is much stronger.

Now, I understand that a lot of guys simply don't like this for various reasons, but I think that unless you are overweight, the NBP method is going to give you more accurate tracking and a better picture of what you're actually working with down there. Everybody is different, but I think for most guys, bone-pressing is just really counterproductive.
 
aeroth said:
great debates on the NBPenis EnlargementL vs the BPenis EnlargementL...I measure NBPenis EnlargementL not because I want my dick to appear larger, but mostly because I know if I push the ruler to the bone when I measure the next time I measure I just have to hold it the same way and push it to the bone again to see if I've gained. As for the "pushing it in during sex" I noticed this the other night when my girlfriend was really sitting down on it. my fatpad is around 1 and a quarter inches which means normaly I'm only showing 5.25 or so erect penis. (kinda small in honesty) but she's probably using closer to 6 inches of it...(I think .5" is the "unuseable" measurement on fatpad if you're .5" or lower you probably can't push the extra penis hidden in, just my opinion) ...so who knows most of us are probably like you stridge I know I am. I'd love to hit my goal but it's not something I feel I have to do I've not heard any complaints and get tons of compliments from my girl *shrug* besides if you can make 'em cum I doubt they even care lol.

nice pics though you're a shower it seems I gain about 50% of my length when erect and you're getting a bit less than that I see.

I can understand if you have a large fatpad, or maybe greater pubic fat density, about being able to push it in farther during sex and counting that as length. Perhaps I'm basing this a lot on my own experience - I simply can't do that with any extra length I measure from bone-pressing.

That being said, there are many guys with a similar body fat percentage as me on these sites that do jam the ruler into the corner of their crotch or or higher up near their stomach and then refer to this as usable length - and this is the sort of measuring mistake that I think makes it impossible to track gains accurately as well inflates the penis size statistics on the forum.

Perhaps the better mantra should be to have the base of the ruler actually close to the base of the penis (I, ahem, humbly suBathmateit my own pictures as a reference point). Many men move the ruler way away from where the penis actually starts. If we hold it over the middle and keep it tight, I think this will marginalize the room for error, even with the bone-pressing.

I am definately a shower, it actually makes it harder to Penis Enlargement. My flaccid is almost never below 5" and sometimes closer to 6" I think (I don't keep track too closely, probably measured under five times in my life), so I really am only gaining a few inches on average for the erection. This is actually fine with me. It seems like a lot of guys on here are really concerned with increasing their flaccid size for lockerroom purposes or whatever, but I've always been pretty pleased with the way I represent. The downside is this makes it harder to get motivated to do Penis Enlargement exercises regularly, probably my number one issue with this stuff.
 
Deon said:
what has contributed the most to your gains do you think...lol I feel like Barbara Walters..lol

Those pics are before any gains occurred. When I did gain it was a fractional ammount in length, and about .2" in girth, although that seems to have gone away over the long hiatus from Penis Enlargement, so I doubt it was a legit gain so much as a "pump-up" effect.
 
Sorry for the large pics, but I have no idea how to resize them. I asked someone on the thread to resize it so that a mod can delete the two posts of the oversized pics, but no one has taken up the offer. It shouldn't freeze your laptop, unless you are running a 200 mhz machine or less. If you have slow internet, it might take a minute or two, but I think it's worth it.

I think you should look at my erection with no hands and then look at the measured ones, with hands. It looks like a huge difference. You'll also understand what I mean when you see it.
 
Guys, guys,

C'mon, there are two measurements. One is Bone Pressed and the other is Non-Bone Pressed. But in reality the chick that you are about to bone sees the Non-Bone Pressed piece of thick long meat you are about to give her, thus, what the "world" sees is the truth (the chick doesnt care or see the Non-Bone Pressed extra 2 inches of cock inside of you)! We should change it to Non-Bone Pressed measurements (reality - what you see) just for [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].

Scenerio #1: A guys weighing 400 pounds looks like he has a 3 inch dick
because of his fat pad.

Scenerio #2: A skinny guys looks like he has a 8 inch dick because he is
fucken skinny - no fat pad.

But what counts is the 400 pound guy lookin like he has a 10 inch cock - thats magic and alot of cock.

Moral to the Story: Be skinny with a small cock. (Illusion) Lol
 
10inchadvantage said:
Sorry for the large pics, but I have no idea how to resize them. I asked someone on the thread to resize it so that a mod can delete the two posts of the oversized pics, but no one has taken up the offer. It shouldn't freeze your laptop, unless you are running a 200 mhz machine or less. If you have slow internet, it might take a minute or two, but I think it's worth it.

I think you should look at my erection with no hands and then look at the measured ones, with hands. It looks like a huge difference. You'll also understand what I mean when you see it.

Checked the pics - they didn't freeze my machine or anything, but the loading and scrolling was slow going on the old laptop.

Honestly, it was hard to see because of the resolution and slow navigating, but that's probably not exactly how I would have measured myself, but to each his own. One thing I would suggest if you feel like your fat pad is interfering is not pumping for a few days before measurement to chart gains. I've never pumped, but it looks like it really makes the whole pubic region puff up in some guys.

I didn't start this discussion to cut anybody in particular down or piss anybody off, I was just expaining why I think that for many guys, the non BP'd measurment is the best, most accurate, and most realistic way to go.

Not to sound so cocky (heh), but I think that my measurement pics are some the clearest and most accurate on the site, and I think that measuring the way I did is the clearest record you can make for yourself for tracking gains and such.

If you're interested, just take a ruler (unless you have a meter stick handy like me) and secure it between two books sufficient to place it at the base of your penis height-wise. Then, line up and stretch. Using this method you can probably push it into the fat pad a little, bot not a lot, giving you a pretty darn accurate indication of where you're at. Also, having the penis at a 90 degree angle from the body used to be the gold standard of measurement around here, and it has the additional advantage of being very easy to replicate with every measurement. Angling the penis up or down can have dramatic effects on length measurement, up to an inch in either direction some cases.

And, by having the ruler self-supported, one hand is completley unburdened, allowing you take a very clear and well-framed picture. Most guys explain murky or strange pics away by saying they can't hold the camera and the ruler and their dick at the same time - this eliminates the problem. It also prevents pictures that are essentially close-ups, which I don't think are quite as good for accurately seeing any gains or measurements.

Measuring like this replicates how it's done in most penis size studies that are considered legit. Medical professional stretchs the penis straight out from the body - not too hard mind you - and then measures stright along the middle, lightly pressing to the pubic skin but not very hard. If you're interested in how you stack up against the averages derived form these studies, then measuring as I have in the pictures will give you the best indication.

Anyway that's just my two cents on the matter. I understand that some guys have vastly different physiologys and are really being shortchanged a large amount if they don't press the ruler in somewhat, but for charting gains and accurately representing the penis, I feel the bulk of guys would be better served by the none bon-pressed method for lots of reasons.

Also, are you a guitar player? If not, cripes man, cut those nails! You're gonna end up slashing yourself if you're Penis Enlargementing with those things . . .

Also I noticed that you seem concerned about the size of your hands/slash body in relation to your penis. Don't freak out about that, women are more likely to evaluate the size of the thing against their own proportions, not yours, and around here the ruler doesn't lie. Our builds are actually not terribly dissimilar, although I've lost a significant amount of weight in the last two years, but all the same, don't start worrying about the rest of your body effecting things. Clear measured pics show what you've got, no questions and regardless of how big your hands are. People aren't here to judge in the first place.
 
GashKing said:
Guys, guys,

C'mon, there are two measurements. One is Bone Pressed and the other is Non-Bone Pressed. But in reality the chick that you are about to bone sees the Non-Bone Pressed piece of thick long meat you are about to give her, thus, what the "world" sees is the truth (the chick doesnt care or see the Non-Bone Pressed extra 2 inches of cock inside of you)! We should change it to Non-Bone Pressed measurements (reality - what you see) just for [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].

Scenerio #1: A guys weighing 400 pounds looks like he has a 3 inch dick
because of his fat pad.

Scenerio #2: A skinny guys looks like he has a 8 inch dick because he is
fucken skinny - no fat pad.

But what counts is the 400 pound guy lookin like he has a 10 inch cock - thats magic and alot of cock.

Moral to the Story: Be skinny with a small cock. (Illusion) Lol

Ha, funny post. You make a good point though - no woman (or most men for that matter) know about bone-pressing and none bone-pressing. But they all know that what they see is what they remeber/consider you to be. The non BP'd is much closer to reality than what most guys get out of bone-pressing.

If you bone-press, do it lightly, right over the middle of the penis straight into where it connects to your body; anything else and you're just catering to fantasy because nobody is going to see whatever extra dick you feel you're measuring and you won't be fucking anybody with it either. So in reality, it doesn't do you all that much good to bone-press for extra length, except maybe peace of mind, and that might just kill your Penis Enlargement motivation.
 
I like to think of my BP measurements as what you can see if I took one hand and removed the skin back while holding my dick out with another. That way, you're not actually pressing into the skin itself, but just "pulling" it back as far as comfortable, basically unconvering outside-of-the-body dick that is being covered by skin and fat. This way, there is not internal dick being measured. This sounds like a fair compromise, no? How about we call it something like PP(Pulled Press) measurements. That's like the measurement between true nbp and smashing bp. Also, I think it's the most fair to those who have a fat pad, because you won't be jamming it in .2" or so more into the internal part of the penis.

Oh, and yes, my nails are cut now!
 
Hey bro, measure any way you like. Like I said, I didn't comment on it to take anybody specific to task, just chipping my two cents.

When I first learned about Penis Enlargement i bought the logic on the bone-pressing stuff, but when I thought about it more closely I decided that none bone-press was a way more accurate measurement, at least for me. My pics are a good demonstration as such - with an erection I could easily bone-press and pull and get an 8"+ measurement, but I know that's not my actual size.

With a serious fatpad I'd say it's a much different case, but even with my minimal one, I can still somehow produce an extra inch with bone-pressing that isn't really there. For guys that are built similarly down there (i.e. fat pad of less than inch or no serious fleshiness down there), the bone-pressing is probably a silly thing for lots of reasons. If you can get accurate measurement for tracking gains the way you do it, then go for it.

A lot of guys say they want the the goal of 8" bone-press, and I think in many cases that's screwy, because they may be targeting for something much less than they actually want. If I thought my dick were actually 8" long I wouldn't even consider Penis Enlargement because I probably wouldn't be able to have normal sex anymore, at least with my current significant other.
 
10inchadvantage said:
All I know is when I pound my girl more than nbp is going into her.

Well, uh, then pound away my man.

Like I said, in my case, I can bone-press an 8"+ erection, but I know that's not reality - for sex or visually. I wasn't talking about your situation.

Frankly, if guys are set on this bone-press deal, then maybe just lose weight. Most people here are pretty young, so a little diet and exercise ought to knock some of that fat pad away in most guys, in which case the apparently 'hidden' penis will be usable, visible dick. It's a hell of a lot faster and more guaranteed than Penis Enlargementing for years to get the same result.
 
The standard won't ever change, because:

1. BP stays consistent, NBP changes ALL the time.
2. It is how doctors measure.
3. More than just NBP is used during sex, and you can always pull back the extra skin for the camera to show the BP length.

Just because some guys don't want to lose a little weight doesn't make their penises smaller. Using NBP as your "gaining" measurement is only practical if your goal is to lose weight. Otherwise, NBP measuring is pretty pointless in reality. Guys with more skin and fat could argue that it is biased against bigger people. While skinny guys can't argue that BP is fair, because if their BP is their NBP, then great, that just means they have no fat. No bias there.

While a few will hold that BP is pointless, the vast majority seems to agree with the points I just made.

The only reason I keep up with NBP is to keep check of my body fat and to motivate me to get more fit. BP is the most efficient measurement of how long your penis really is, and no one is lying if they claim their penis is "8 inches long" if it is BP, however, if they claimed "it is 8 inches nbp" and it is really 7.5 nbp or something, then obviously they are lying. Shit, most guys measure to the SIDE of their dicks and claim that as their length, so guys who use straight-up BP measurements have no ethical problems with claiming that as their true length.
 
10inchadvantage said:
The standard won't ever change, because:

1. BP stays consistent, NBP changes ALL the time.
2. It is how doctors measure.
3. More than just NBP is used during sex, and you can always pull back the extra skin for the camera to show the BP length.

Just because some guys don't want to lose a little weight doesn't make their penises smaller. Using NBP as your "gaining" measurement is only practical if your goal is to lose weight. Otherwise, NBP measuring is pretty pointless in reality. Guys with more skin and fat could argue that it is biased against bigger people. While skinny guys can't argue that BP is fair, because if their BP is their NBP, then great, that just means they have no fat. No bias there.

While a few will hold that BP is pointless, the vast majority seems to agree with the points I just made.

The only reason I keep up with NBP is to keep check of my body fat and to motivate me to get more fit. BP is the most efficient measurement of how long your penis really is, and no one is lying if they claim their penis is "8 inches long" if it is BP, however, if they claimed "it is 8 inches nbp" and it is really 7.5 nbp or something, then obviously they are lying. Shit, most guys measure to the SIDE of their dicks and claim that as their length, so guys who use straight-up BP measurements have no ethical problems with claiming that as their true length.

Geeze man, lighten up, relax. Nobody is even talking about ethics here. I feel like you may be taking this a bit personally.

Your argument is the traditional one -and by the way I'm not trying to change the 'standard' around here, just voicing my opinion - but I think your points aren't necessarily rock solid.

1. NBP changes all the time? Really? Mine is pretty solid - I don't frequently gain and lose amounts of 20 lbs. or so (really, I feel it would be at least this much to affect the fat pad in most guys, unless you just happen to gain all your weight in your crotch . . . ).

If you measure none bone-press, there is no chance that you placed the ruler differently, pushed a little harder, etc. It's always the same, not sure how you feel that it 'changes all the time.'

2. From what I've read about all the legit penis size studies, they do nothing similar to what guys around here call bone-pressing. The description I remember said something along the lines of "lightly placed against the skin." The average bone-press around here is literally pushing the ruler into the pubic bone, and usually not directly over the middle of the penis as it should be done. Guys often start the measurement from higher up in the puic region as well, which adds more inaccuracy. I highly doubt any doctor would "bone-press." (let alone know what the hell that is) as we understand the term around here.

3. Not sure about this extra skin thing as I don't have it, so it's hard for me to comment. As I said, everybody has a different physiology. I know that when I have sex, my visible penis is the same as my functional penis. If a guy has a big fat pad and can push in a little more than the non BP measurement, then rock on. Persoanlly, I'd rather have the pength be visible and usable. Besides the visual appeal, a longer dick makes sex easier and more fun. Hence the idea of weight loss. Like I said, weight loss is a sure thing, and if that extra dick is there then you'll actual be able to see it and she'll be able to appreciate it.

"While a few will hold that BP is pointless, the vast majority seems to agree with the points I just made."

I don't purport to be speaking for the majority, I'm well aware that most guys into Penis Enlargement hate and fear the old non BP.

"BP is the most efficient measurement of how long your penis really is"

I think it's much more inefficient. Too many posibilities for error, different techniques, etc. There's only one way to truly take a non BP measurement, so there's no room for error. And, as we've pointed out, the non BP is what the world sees and for most men, what you've actually got.

It's not a matter of lying and ego. I don't really care if guys are deluding themselves into thinking they have bigger penises than they really do. I just think BP has a real "bro-telligence" aspect to it that keeps it in vogue, but I find the reasoning behind it silly.
 
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So in other words,

skinny, lean guy number one has no fat pad and a 8 inch cock

blubber boy number 2 has a 1 inch fat pad and a 7 inch cock.

Who really has the bigger cock
?​

In reality the skinny guy "appears" to have the bigger cock - lengthwise. That is what the women see. In essence they are equal.
 
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