Because after a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words] session (along with clamping, jelq) etc, I have quite a bit of fluid retention, swelling etc. As a result, using my PF is difficult if not impossible. So, I am basically unable to do any length process until the fluid retention, swelling etc subside. And that takes 12 hours minimum, for me. 12 hours of wasted time, in my opinion. Remember, for me, "length training" consists first of the heavy stuff, such as using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], or bundled stretches and/or hanging. Then, I immediately go into the PF or [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. A girth session would shut that down.Big Schwanz Acht;746920 said:
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Fillerup;746926 said:
I think I understand what you are saying Fill. If you do length in the morning and girth at night you are still left with FR the next morning and this prevents you from doing the length session again, is this right?
Lookn4girth;746931 said:
Oh, on a side note. If I did do my girth work at night, there is no chance I could use the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] during sleep, which is a real bonus for getting in multiple hours of light to moderate stretch. I have, however, considered just doing my jelq. And when I jelq, it is intense. I get up to 90% erect, then grip deep into the groin to grasp as much internal structure as possible. Then pull forward a couple of inches and then use the opposite hand to do the same, while Kegeling. Then, I pull both forward so that it becomes a stretching as well as girth enhancing movement. I am still pretty pumped after 20 minutes of this, but might be able to work with that, because it is really the clamping and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words] that causes most of the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FR[/words] and swelling. I may give that a whirl.
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Fillerup;746951 said:Who's the father?
you, daddy
lol
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In my experience if i have to do girth and length in the same session ill do length 1st . I dont get a good strength when i pump. I also feel like pumping/ jelqing after you get that lig and tunica stretch must be beneficial. Im not a dick scientist but if your breaking down your tunica with bundles getting an erections and then pumping blood into that newly broken down and expanded area must help with gains
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DreadMan;746964 said:
this was my logic as well
Big Schwanz Acht;746982 said:
Well, oddly enough, that's how I started my day. 2 sets of bundled stretches followed immediately with 20 minutes jelq with squeezes. BUT, I left out the clamp and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words], for now. If I can maintain my current girth gains with this routine while still going full bore with length, cool! I have a slight bit of FR from the jelq session, but nowhere near what it is after clamping/bm.
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what about starting your day going full-bore on length and then following-up w/girth?
Big Schwanz Acht;746989 said:
That was always my plan. Length in the AM and girth in the PM and for good reason. In the AM I am so tired and have no focus, the perfect time to stretch as it takes no mental energy, simply stretch with all I got. I loved doing girth at night as I always wanted to be at my thickest in bed. I also can not concentrate with enough focus when I lump girth and length in the same session, as the saying goes a house divided can not stand and in my case that is the truth. I have to dedicate myself to one at a time to get in proper focus.
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Thats how i like todo it as well with work kids wife and all the other stuff i have to do splitting it has always worked much better for me
today i did some ats rollers as suggested by red i had 2 steel rods from a project i did a while back i wrapped them in electrical type to make sure it was smooth and i went to work . Its basically jelqing with a pole below and above your dick to get some wide expansion . I would suggest looking at the ats thread for more info . I really liek it my dick was really wide after giving it that sinister look . I didnt do much else since i just wanted to play around with this . I like the red fernadoz but this give you more control
today i did some ats rollers as suggested by red i had 2 steel rods from a project i did a while back i wrapped them in electrical type to make sure it was smooth and i went to work . Its basically jelqing with a pole below and above your dick to get some wide expansion . I would suggest looking at the ats thread for more info . I really liek it my dick was really wide after giving it that sinister look . I didnt do much else since i just wanted to play around with this . I like the red fernadoz but this give you more control
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since you already 'bottom-out', are you at all concerned about having a portion 'out-in-the-cold'?
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Big Schwanz Acht;747039 said:
nah not really having a little extra dick would be the least of my life problems
Fillerup;746933 said:
I can see where it puts you in a tough spot when you can't do the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BM[/words] and use the PF but the plan you listed seems like a good one. It sounds as if it would be pretty intense
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doublelongdaddy;747074 said:
I'm sure Dread is already beyond her cervix and in the elusive cul-de-sac (Ms. Dread mentioned that he 'bottoms-out' in her already), but sometimes a woman can 'tent' a little bit.
I'm looking forward to the day where my GF can't accept any more of me inside her...at that point I know I've accomplished my goal
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Big Schwanz Acht;747099 said:
I can reach back there in very specific positions either doggy or me on top if I angle it right . But I wanna be back there in any and every position