i would use a good quality multi vit and mineral, plus regular exercise not to mention a healthy diet.

SPIRULINA would be a good option as welll, its a super food and contains a huge amount of vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids, amino acids and chlorophil which is very important for producing new cells.
 
this is what i found on the internet which is the same thing we are trying to do aswell the guy is doctor and his name is dr.kevin pezzi but he advocates a different way this is what i found on a different Penis Enlargement forum

So I bought Pezzi's Advanced Enlargement book. He's painfully long winded and roundabout in his discussion, the guy can't just out and SAY it. I'll attempt to summarize a few of his findings.

DHT is useful only to the extent that your receptors are sensitive/present. Adding more DHT to a grown man's insensitive receptors is like pouring more water into a full sink. The water will still drain at the same rate, you'll just spill a bunch over the edge.

A way to resensitize DHT receptors: Propecia and Rogaine contain finasteride, which supresses DHT. A DHT drought in the body can create more sensitive receptors. So taking Propecia for 6 months and then going off it will create a period of time where your body is more sensitive to DHT. During this post-DHT drought period is when you are supposed to start using DHT gel, when your receptors are hyper sensitized. I sure as hell don't need or want to go on Propecia, DHT gel is about $200 a squeeze tube. Maybe if I'm balding and well financed I'll try this method.

He also talks about heat, and how tissue responds more amicably to tension when heated. He cites a discussion with one of his readers who as a routine heated his penis for a full 1/2 hour, then did basic stretches. This guy reported a 12mm gain in both length and girth(!), but stopped gaining after about 2 weeks. Noobie gains, but this makes me wonder about warm-ups. The usual warm up is about 5-10 minutes.While it has been largely dismissed by the Penis Enlargement community as an injury prevention tactic, it may be worth looking at it as an actual gaining tool. I think I'll try an extra-long warm up routine. while if this info is applicable to my physiology it may break me from my 6 month plateau.
 
i dont think dr.pezzi went the right way you can still create DHT receptors by releasing a lot more DHT into the penis, i dont think you should have to starve the receptors in order for some thing to happen you can still make DHT receptors by puting more DHT in so the penis can take it a lot better so more DHT receptors are made and its a lot cheaper to raise DHT/test then to starve you penis receptors which i think is a lot more dangerous and would result in temporal shrinkage and propecia and finasteridecan be actually dangerous for you balls and liver
 
I agree.

It's great that you have bought all these programs and are sharing them. The last program I bought was "The Secret Potency Report".

The Penis Bible sounds like it focuses more on androgens, prostaglandins and growth horomones. I agree that learning how to ehance production and sensitivity to these hormones should benifit a program based on positive and creative visualization combined with a intelligent and dedicated exercise program.

It seems that whenever I start supplementing my diet with specific foods and supplements intended to drive up my testosterone levels and energy levels combined with a Penis Enlargement program involving jelqing, pumping and ballooning. I am lucky to make 5 days of this self induced blue balls effect before I jerk off 4 times in one day, thus completely burning myself out.
 
ok so choline is the main thing and basically its balooning. Massaging the penis at the base, balls, and sides without trigger zones right? and if im correct choline is the main chemical found in soy lecitin
 
yes you are correct but to get choline directly i just take it from choline bitartrate and the amino acids like tyrosine etc, i get either from milk or whey protein but mainly milk to save some money
 
does anybody think it would be a bad idea to add clamping to the ballooning process? like mabey masturbate till just before point of no return than throw on the clamp. Or does this just defeat the purpose of bringing in nutrient enriched blood to the penis?
 
betterpenis123;348071 said:
right here it goes the supplements need to create the growth are

choline-choline bitartrate or phosphatidyle choline
HGH spray
tyrosine - dopamine
l-argnine
5-HTP-serotonin
water-3-litres
evening primose-PGE-1 precurser

ok il startt with choline, the choline is a neurotransmitter, which can greatly improve erections meaning more blood can enter the penis and so more DHT can enter there and help the liver produce the required enzymes and done so that the body can make more DHt by 5-alpha reductase, i often take choline bitartrate.

HGH as you all know is need for growing things and aswelll is need by the penis, thepenisbible said you should use or it is better to use a spray because they can be absorbed better into the body.

tyrosine an amino acid is needed to manufacture dopamine which in turn makes more testosterone in the testes, therefore more DHT is manufactured aswell.- im my opinion waste of time unless you dont have a high protein diet.

L-arginine- used to produce nitric oxide to help dilate the vessels or relax them and used to expand the chambers of the penis - inmy opinion waste of time unless you dont have a high protein diet,

5-HTP serotonin precursor- quite important used to prevent premature ejaculation, and helps prevent dopamine getting converted to adrenaline which will lead to ejaculate faster and the dopamine needed to help make testosterone may be less efficient, so quite important, and maybe just the answer to cure Penis Enlargement.

water is needed to thicken the blood like in puberty when you made more red blood cells, this is useful in transporting all the nutrients around the body and powering your erections, i know 3 litres maybe a bit too much but it all depends on what you do but me personally i go to the gym a lot so i drink around that much per day.

evening primose- PGE-1 precursor, this is needed to grow the skin of the penis so the extra skin can accomodate the exrta size of the penis, aswell can help make the spongy tissues of the penis more elastic and stretchy so it can expand a lot better. BUT very important point when you reach your size of penis size, and you want to stop growth, stop taking the evening primose. personally me bcus im havnt hardly got any foreskin this is quite important.

last bot not least he said you have to massage, i rememer him saying "if you have just 10 minutes a day time to yourself, would do a world of good for penis health and testosterone production" basically its just like penis ballooning bcus he said massage the groins , balls, base especially, shaft and then upper shaft, and the take yourself to point of no return ,3-5 times, will create DHT receptors after that you are free to ejaculate, but he said the more you do it, as in do it to point of no return more, than 3-5 times , the more the penis will grow. But personally i do this up to 10 times and then ejaculate.

But warning he said the more you ejaculate the less serotonin you have and as you all know serotonin is important to us, if you are like young like 18-24 then you can ejaculate like 4-5 times a week but please dont overdo it bcus you will really stress the body and penis growth is less likely to happen ever, if youre above 30 you can only ejaculate once and above 45 dont ejaculate at all bcus your testicular function is not as great as the younger people.

from that aswell he said that choline will help staighten up curved penises apart from thats about it
 
betterpenis123;347938 said:
im getting really ticked off frm this guy frm not relpying to my emails bcus i cannot view the penisbible any more and i dint pay 129 dollars to only see the dam thing once, il be posting the supplements shortly.
Hi
You offer amazing stuff, i was planning on buying the penisbible but after i read your forum, you have given me enough info not to buy it. I have one question, Is there a special routine i have to follow, like how i should take the supplements and massaging.
 
well the massaging is like ballooning or edging what ever you prefer and the supplements i take with a meal aswell but i take the bulgarian triblus between meals or on a empty stomach, when massaging massage your balls a lot to get an extra test boost and do the massaging for about 20min-30min and but before that i do stretching for 15min and some jelqing for 15min aswell, so practically 1hr for the whole penis works. gd luck
 
So basically you have to get erection and then bring yourself to ejaculate and then stop and the massaging is just to help with the erection process,Right. About the HGH spray, i read that is best to take it in the morning and before bed time. Do i have to take this with the supplements as well. Is it best to take the supplements just before the work out or as authorize by the supplier
 
I tried it for 90 days (even though 60 is what is supposed to be done) and ballooned 10 or more times daily. I think at most I gained about a 1/4 of an inch in length, but nothing in girth. But nowhere did it say how much to take of any of the supplements. This is what I started off with daily:

500mg L-Arginine
500mg L-Tyrosine
1300mg Primrose Oil
330mg Choline
1 scoop of whey protein mixed with milk(I think its about 45g of protein)
3 sprays of HGH 3 times a day.
3 liters of water

I did go back and read over it again and noticed that it said to do 2g of L-Arginine. So I'm starting back up again but with different amounts.

2000mg L-Arginine
2000mg L-Tyrosine
770mg Choline
and I keep the others the same.
1300mg Primrose Oil
1 scoop of whey protein
3 sprays of HGH 3 times a day.
3 liters of water

I'll let you guys know if anything changes. I hope so considering I just spent another $80 on supplements.
 
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Wow BigB_3456!! Thanks for giving us this post because you are one of the few people who have come forward to tell about there experience with the Penis Bible. It sounds like you are on the right track now that you re-read the guide and got all your info. right this time. You might want to start buying some of your supplements in powder form from PureBulk(they are give MOS members an exclusive discount check out this thread http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53333) and just make a drink out of them. I know that taking all those pills can get exhausting and boring sometimes so with the powder you can mix it with whatever liquid you want to have more variety to your supplements. I could be wrong but didn't the Penis Bible also call for L-Orthinine as a supplement also?
 
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betterpenis123;348145 said:
after i posted this up, ive lately been exchanging emails with DR.lin and he said each time you ejaculate with semen wipe it all over the penis like a cream bcus it contains shit loads of angrodens, hormones, vitamines, minerals, IGFs, growth hormones and stuf let the penis absorb the stuf for a little while

Hahahhahahaha really??? No one actually does this right?? LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO
 
Oops, I actually ordered the L-Arginine-Ornithine (Super Strength) 2000mg. I forgot to list that instead of the L-Arginine.
 
hey pe123, thanks for the pertinent info. very interesting. it makes complete scientific sense.

so if you don't mind, allow me to reiterate what you're saying here in lamens terms, so I can be sure I understand you correctly:

massaging your erect penis (dorsal side), base, and balls while you're on the right supps. (tyrosine--for T activation, 5-HTP and choline--for liver enzyme function etc.) will stimulate your body to convert T to DHT in the penis, which is crucial for pe gains. and you're also saying that you should NOT edge or masturbate to the point where you're on the verge of ejaculation because that causes your body to convert T to adrenaline/noradrenaline, which is deleterious to pe gains.

am I understanding you correctly?
 
You should massage yourself so you can bring all the nutrients to the penis and bring yourself where you want to ejaculate but do not ejaculate.This is ballooning of the penis.This will bring more blood.The penis bible says to do this up to five times.To my understanding the more frequent and long erection you have is the key
 
BigB_3456;357718 said:
I tried it for 90 days (even though 60 is what is supposed to be done) and ballooned 10 or more times daily. I think at most I gained about a 1/4 of an inch in length, but nothing in girth. But nowhere did it say how much to take of any of the supplements. This is what I started off with daily:

500mg L-Arginine
500mg L-Tyrosine
1300mg Primrose Oil
330mg Choline
1 scoop of whey protein mixed with milk(I think its about 45g of protein)
3 sprays of HGH 3 times a day.
3 liters of water

I did go back and read over it again and noticed that it said to do 2g of L-Arginine. So I'm starting back up again but with different amounts.

2000mg L-Arginine
2000mg L-Tyrosine
770mg Choline
and I keep the others the same.
1300mg Primrose Oil
1 scoop of whey protein
3 sprays of HGH 3 times a day.
3 liters of water

I'll let you guys know if anything changes. I hope so considering I just spent another $80 on supplements.

Hey BigB_3456

Is 5-HTP (serotonine) needed to achieve gains? If so, in what doses and when? Also If I am taking each supplement at different times of the day, then when do I do Ballooning? After each taken supplement or after all supplements at the end of the day? Or can I just do it anytime I want once I begin taking the supplements as they will already have become active in my body. This is of course without actually ejaculating just getting hard for as long as possible.

Thank you so much, you have been more help than anyone I have talked to.

Also have you noticed any difference in your gains since you started taking the updated amounts?

Please if possible can you also send me an email as well if it is not to much trouble, if not then of course I will already be happy with you helping me regardless.
 
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