The RESULTS of the PE survey!

Re: the masturbation/ejaculation issue, I remember reading a medical paper several years ago that was talking about Viagra.

In the article I'm sure it speculated that after ejaculation some sort of hormone is released by the body into the penis to restrict it's blood flow, and allow it to go flaccid again.

I think what it was saying was the Brain somehow caused more PDE5 to appear at the penis after ejaculation. PDE5 is the thing that restricts the blood flow to your penis and keeps it flaccid. It's only when you get sexually aroused that the Brain releases another chemical to restrict the PDE5, which then allows you to get an erection (Viagra does a similar thing artificially).

Now, this may have been TOTAL speculation, and I can't remember where I read it. However, if it is true that more PDE5 (or some similar-acting thing) appears at the Penis to restrict it's blood flow after ejaculation, it may explain some things. A restricted blood flow is not what one desires when doing Penis Enlargement and could be the factor that (according to the Penis Enlargement survey) causes those who ejaculate regularly to have slower growth.

Again, this only speculation. I do not know if it's true. Moreover, since it was a small sample-size of persons who did not ejaculate often, the statistical anomaly may be explained by other means. Perhaps those who do not masturbate to ejactulation have more self-control, and are therefore more able to stick to routines in a regular fashion.

However if a chemical is involved, it may explain it. Is there a PDE5 expert in the house? Is there any evidence that this, or something similar, increases in the body after ejaculation?

P.S. I mean a greater than normal concentration of PDE5 after ejaculation.

Very great read Al dog, i have never heard anything about it. But, i think you may have found something very important on this issue. But iv noticed every time i get off my dick pumps up more(Longer, thicker) when its flaccid then it normally would if i didn't get off. Do you know any reason for this, it really stagers me.?

aldog said:

Re: the masturbation/ejaculation issue, I remember reading a medical paper several years ago that was talking about Viagra.

In the article I'm sure it speculated that after ejaculation some sort of hormone is released by the body into the penis to restrict it's blood flow, and allow it to go flaccid again.

I think what it was saying was the Brain somehow caused more PDE5 to appear at the penis after ejaculation. PDE5 is the thing that restricts the blood flow to your penis and keeps it flaccid. It's only when you get sexually aroused that the Brain releases another chemical to restrict the PDE5, which then allows you to get an erection (Viagra does a similar thing artificially).

Now, this may have been TOTAL speculation, and I can't remember where I read it. However, if it is true that more PDE5 (or some similar-acting thing) appears at the Penis to restrict it's blood flow after ejaculation, it may explain some things. A restricted blood flow is not what one desires when doing Penis Enlargement and could be the factor that (according to the Penis Enlargement survey) causes those who ejaculate regularly to have slower growth.

Again, this only speculation. I do not know if it's true. Moreover, since it was a small sample-size of persons who did not ejaculate often, the statistical anomaly may be explained by other means. Perhaps those who do not masturbate to ejactulation have more self-control, and are therefore more able to stick to routines in a regular fashion.

However if a chemical is involved, it may explain it. Is there a PDE5 expert in the house? Is there any evidence that this, or something similar, increases in the body after ejaculation?

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This is very interesting. I will have to do some research on this.

BODY BUILDER 05 said:

Very great read Al dog, i have never heard anything about it. But, i think you may have found something very important on this issue. But iv noticed every time i get off my dick pumps up more(Longer, thicker) when its flaccid then it normally would if i didn't get off. Do you know any reason for this, it really stagers me.?

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BODY BUILDER 05 said:

Very great read Al dog, i have never heard anything about it. But, i think you may have found something very important on this issue. But iv noticed every time i get off my dick pumps up more(Longer, thicker) when its flaccid then it normally would if i didn't get off. Do you know any reason for this, it really stagers me.?

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BB05, the reason for that is simple. When you get an errection, your penis is engorged with blood and stretched to near maximum expansion (obviously). When you ejaculate, unless you manually squeeze the blood out, a good amount of blood remains flowing in the penile chambers and you hang lower and heavier flacid than you would if you hadn't had that expansion.





In relation to what this thread states, I'm not sure about the PDE5, but I do recall reading that after you ejaculate, your testostrone levels drastically crash, and following that, all of the body's connective tissue tightens and contracts, which would in turn hurt length gains for sure. Knowing a bit about the tunica would make you understand how this would hinder girth gains as well.

Thanx for the Info vaseline knight. I believe that ejaculating is bad on gains, iv read alot of science on it and it has made me convinced. I gained around an inch from Penis Enlargement and i got off nearly every day. But, that dosnt mean if i wouldnt of got off i would have gained more.

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Thanx for the Info vaseline knight. I believe that ejaculating is bad on gains, iv read alot of science on it and it has made me convinced. I gained around an inch from Penis Enlargement and i got off nearly every day. But, that dosnt mean if i wouldnt of got off i would have gained more.

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Would you feed me with that science you,ve read?

I'd like to know the scientific side of this affirmation ( masturbating slowing your gains)

Thanks BB 05

Here is a conversation from some of the members. And iv read science from other places on this site and sites on the web. If i can find more ill bring it up.
These threads made me conclude that ejaculation was bad on gains.

By Vaseline Knight

Ya definately. I'm already on my 27th day of not 'ejaculating.' i dont understand the difference between ejaculation and masturbation. Is there such a thing as masturbation without ejaculating? I think, if im not mistaken, thats called 'Edging' and if anything its good for you.

So yes I'm a willing member for this experiment, (at the expense of my gf goin nuts again )

Reports of my gains during periods of not ejaculating have been great. Although I MUST stress that there is a huge difference between sexual inactivity and sexual abstinance. Sexual inactivity will most likely have no affects if not itself hindering your growths. However, if you're stimulating yourself to near ejaculation or to an aroused state and THEN refrain, then you are seeing the benefits of this 'torture.'

I'm also a compteting natural bodybuilder so I can offer my input on the effect of ejaculation on the body.

The male hormone, Testrostrone, is what makes us aggressive, physically and mentally. When doing a bulk up routine, to see gains, you need the mental edge just as much as the physical edge. So masturbation or sex for that matter is not recomended. I dont know about you guys but when I cum, i dont give a flying fuck about anythinngggg for a good 5 min, and i seem to justify things being perfectly fine the way they are. This is because of the drop in testrostrone which happens right after ejaculation. Your male nature has accomplished its objective and has no furthur obligations to fullfill.

so that is the mental part which i think is one of the most important things both in BB and Penis Enlargement.

Furthermore, when you have such a dramatic drop in testostrone levels, ALL your connective tissue retracts which is why you're alot more injury prone if you engage in physical activity right after a sexual episode. I'm presuming that such retraction will limit size gains comming from a Penis Enlargement session, both LENGTH AND GIRTH. This is mho but in having gone from 4.5" girth to 6 1/8" I've noticed that just as you work hard in the gym to grow when you rest, you gain the most girth, not during but after your Penis Enlargement session. The remaining blood in your member helps rebuild the micro level damages and hence fills up the space just created, whereas if you had ejaculated, prolactin will be secreted and very little blood will be left in the penile chambers.


Scientifically, what I just said is basically summorized as follows:

The superhormone DHT grows your penis and stimulate your penile cells to multiplcate; neurotransmitter acetylcholine and its derivative Nitric Oxide (NO) constantly dilate the penile arteries for a constant penile blood circulation to supply testosterone/DHT, oxygen and 5-alpha reductase enzyme to the penile tissue; Prostaglandin E-1 allows your penile tissue, nerves and blood vessels to expand and stretch without inducing collagen release; Oxytocin stimulates the testicular function to produce more testosterone and DHT; the cardiosvacular system has to work harder and pump more blood into your penis. Ejaculation will hinder this process.


Now. Whats SOOOOOO IMPORTANTTTTTTTTT my bored felow Penis Enlargement'ers, is that the testostrone curve is a gaussian distribution around the 7th day. what this means is that your testostrone after ejaculation will start to dramatically build up, until the 7th day, and will start to drop off again. Which is again,... bad. So based on this theory some would recomend that its best to ejaculate (with you gf, or with Handrea, Palmla, and Writina) once a week, just make sure it is at least 4-8 hours before or after your Penis Enlargement session.

By: Nystrongstroke2

think its true actually well i know it is for me.My gf and have a 2 year old son and i actually had the most gains while she was pregnant.We couldnt have sex at all because she had goll stones.Everytime she tried to go down on me she threw up.when it was time to have reg sex she threw,shit when she ate-woke up she threw up.I didnt go out on her once or jerk off at all--and i seen dramtic results.Funny i actually told her today that i cant buss till sat--because although the kegals and water are helping my sex drive isnt giving me the ummf for the gains i need.2 days is to long for me to go without releasin so its gonna be a long week for me.I did tell her though that she can still go down on me now(tease it)and we can have sex--i just cant cum for a couple of days.

By: Albertabeef

From what I understand the prolactin causes valves to close that allow blood to into the CC & CS. It is a protection mechanism built in for the penis to keep it from some kind of erection exhaustion causing damage I think. Someone would have to take the time to look into it but that is the basics of it. The lack of blood circulation is probably why gains are limited by masterbation. I can't see why this would hold true for stretching exercises though.

By: goldmember

I know that there is a surge of prolactin in the penis following an ejaculation (which is what causes the refraction of the erection). I'm not sure if this has any play in why ejaculation affects gains


http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21451&highlight=ejaculating

By: spinner2

There is a valid reason why this seems to be true. Some type of hormone is produced during eaculation that limits tissue growth. I can't remember the specifics, though.


By: Vaselin Knight
Oliver,
YES. I have. I have gained ALLL, i repeat ALL of my length gains, during bursts of time when i CHOSE to Penis Enlargement and not ejaculate no matter what the desire. I agree it takes quite the bit of dicipline. On average I would gain 1/4-1/2" per month of doing so. and since i was inconsistent with Penis Enlargement I would be happy with the gains and stop Penis Enlargement'ing for a while.

I've been consistent with Penis Enlargement (havent missed a day other than the intended rests) from July of 05. While I have made some girth gains, my length gains have been ZIP. and i have nothing else to conclude but that ejaculation keeps my length gains at bay. Now there may very well be some newbie's that make newbie gains while still masturbating. I guess it is then the question of 'would they have gained more had they not masturbated.'



Also, if you read the history of many LARGE GAINERS (veterans) they almost all got into Penis Enlargement because they had problems getting hard. therefore they kept sex/masturbation to a minimum (not cause they wanted to ofcourse).

prince
There is also Scientific evidence that has been pubslished in relation to sports injuries. It is recommended that they don't ejaculate 24 hours prior to a competitive match because the testostrone drop due to an ejaculative discharge causes the ligaments and connecting tissues to retract and stiffen, which in turn can make them prone to injury. I think there is a correlation there with Penis Enlargement as was found by the survey and my DIRECT personal experience with this matter.

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There is a valid reason why this seems to be true. Some type of hormone is produced during eaculation that limits tissue growth. I can't remember the specifics, though.

spinner, I think you're referring to DHA/DHEA (IPGN4 ??? ?) and metabolites that are deposited in the CC and CS during an errection.

By: priceAlbert
There is also Scientific evidence that has been pubslished in relation to sports injuries. It is recommended that they don't ejaculate 24 hours prior to a competitive match because the testostrone drop due to an ejaculative discharge causes the ligaments and connecting tissues to retract and stiffen, which in turn can make them prone to injury. I think there is a correlation there with Penis Enlargement as was found by the survey and my DIRECT personal experience with this matter.

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VK don't suppose you can remember were you read that,any links thanks.

For every person who makes gains from abstaining there are just as many who make gains from ejaculating.

Ive always had sex or masturbated once or twice a day since my teens ive always had a high sex drive and it hasn't stopped me making gains,i had a long spell were i saw no gains and did try going without for a two month period only cumming once a week and it made no difference,apart from making me irritable as hell.

By: EVO

...... its like any other theory. not tried or tested well im gonna see how long i can keep it up, the science behind it sounds good. p.s. 1/2 inch in a month is pretty awesome!! were those newbie gains?

By: Vaseline Knight

no no. not newbie gains. i went from 7 1/8 to 7 5/8. my newbie gains got me from 5.8 to 6.5 and then stalled. then i went from 6.5 to 7 in a month. and then 7 to 7 1/8 in a month (where i did masturbate), and 7 1/8 to 7 5/8 in approximately a month ( lil less than 4 weeks)

By: EVO

thats pretty impressive, what routine were u using at the time?


By: Vaseline Knight

3 sets of hanging with the sock hanger
45 mins of jelqing in the bathroom with no ����, so it was softer jelqs at maybe 65%. who knows many thats what got me the length. cuz usually i like jelqing when im slightly harder. like at least at 70-80%



Here is the thread by supra on the theory of Edging and Balloning.

Scientific Basis of the exercise

This exercise has more merit on a scientific basis than what is relized.

Durring the ballooning phase, I believe it works by releasing (in essence) more cAMP in the penis wich is responsible for relaxing the smooth muscle in your penis to bring in more blood. cAMP is is released the more horny you get...wich happens whenever your are "ballooning and edge".

This also flood your penis with DHT, Testosterone and all of the other hormones that runs though your penis at a pre/post orgasm state, which is what edging is!!

Ironman was doing a big article about the interset in Penis Enlargement and the rising popularity about it.
I remember reading an article in IRONMAN magazine about ballooning and edging and other penis enlargement methods and it mentioned something about how cAMP is increased whenever you "ballooning and the edding".

So, if you start off with , then that "primes" and accelerates the following exercise's effectivenss for new and faster growth and accelerated gains. Which is why I started this exercises of with Ballooning then edging.


http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4351&highlight=supra+slammers

All info about cAMP
http://www.malehealth.com/HTML/B42.html

I remember that clip. it's very old. I've always thought it had to be fake. I don't think that guy can use condoms.

Those study are basically saying they don't have a clue about the relation between prostate cancer and jacking off in front of internet ����...

Those articles could be true. But who knows, i think sex is way more satisfying than masturbation. I guess there will have to more studies to see what is true.

BODY BUILDER 05 said:

Those articles could be true. But who knows, i think sex is way more satisfying than masturbation. I guess there will have to more studies to see what is true.

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depends on the individual cases. you have to compare the girl you're with with your hand. very few girls talk less than my hand, and to this my hand has never asked me to lick it after I came.

Vaseline_Knight said:

depends on the individual cases. you have to compare the girl you're with with your hand. very few girls talk less than my hand, and to this my hand has never asked me to lick it after I came.

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Haha. Very true.

"The results suggest that men who masturbate less gain more."

I really can't understand this at all. The ejaculation part makes sense, but I can't see how masturbation can impede gains. I mean Penis Enlargement isn't much different from masturbation anyway! And in fact edging/ballooning (which if I'm not mistaken is masturbating to brink of orgasm and holding it) is a part of many of the exercises. So I'm a bit stumped on this one...

Rude_God said:

"The results suggest that men who masturbate less gain more."

I really can't understand this at all. The ejaculation part makes sense, but I can't see how masturbation can impede gains. I mean Penis Enlargement isn't much different from masturbation anyway! And in fact edging/ballooning (which if I'm not mistaken is masturbating to brink of orgasm and holding it) is a part of many of the exercises. So I'm a bit stumped on this one...

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well not many NORMAL MEN masturbate without reaching orgasm. The two words are interchangeable usually. Until you become a freak and you Penis Enlargement and you seperate masturbation from ejaculation. So I guess that term tried to mean masturbation WITH ejaculation.

The one study confirms my urologist's and internist's remarks regarding frequent ejaculation--however you achieve it--the evidence points to a reduction in the incidence of prostate cancer. Makes sense to me.

It's just that I'm more horned up for a P.E. session when I don't ejaculate before or during the session.

So you fellows won't go blind or grow hair on the palms of your hands from jelqing.

very accurate poll imo.

With reference to the the validity of penis pills, maybe the type of people that take them are the types that take a comprehensive approach to penis enlargement. Due to there mentality they like to cover every angle so as the pills may not actually work but there attitude is superior. Also there is the possibility of placebo although you would think this would be negated by the ammount of people out there that say that penis pills don't work. Just a couple of thoughts.

This confirms many of my thoughts.

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With reference to the the validity of penis pills, maybe the type of people that take them are the types that take a comprehensive approach to penis enlargement. Due to there mentality they like to cover every angle so as the pills may not actually work but there attitude is superior. Also there is the possibility of placebo although you would think this would be negated by the ammount of people out there that say that penis pills don't work. Just a couple of thoughts.

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Penis Enlargement Pills, in their current state, will act as a supplement to physical work, just like training in the gym. There will always be a placebo effect but in my opinion that is just as powerful as a true reaction. The mind if very fucking powerful. The goal I have is to release a new pill(s) that encompass that advancements that have happened over the past decade. We know more now and there is a much better formula on the horizon coming from MOS.