longstretch;571969 said:
I don't have a Bib but I could see where it would work similar to the LM. If you have a Bib try it out and let us know what you think. Also just out of curiosity why did Bib say base hanging was worthless? Does he think its too much skin stretch?
If I remember correctly, yes - it was skin stretch. I know that as the Bib gets to the base, it gets harder to grasp the internals. I also worry about turkey neck on this. Looks like I'll be pretending like I have a 3 inch penis in order to place this thing. Wish me luck and I'll post back my experience.

If the inner penis theory holds true, which I believe it does, and if I can properly grasp them with the Bib, this should help get more out. I think the theory is correct about grabbing closer to the base and being able to pull out more IP.
 
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longstretch;571969 said:
I don't have a Bib but I could see where it would work similar to the LM. If you have a Bib try it out and let us know what you think. Also just out of curiosity why did Bib say base hanging was worthless? Does he think its too much skin stretch?

Base hanging is brilliant! It embodies the very heart of Expressive Stretching. It may not effect shaft gains but it certainly stretches the internal penis we so desperately want to expose. __________ has a highly trained and exposed base where he has pulled forward much of his internal penis to become part of his shaft. It is very evident with __________ as the internal penis that was exposed is a bit thicker than the rest of his shaft. Now, this can be avoided and expressed equally using the LengthMaster as the stretches can be directed in rolls, twists and bundles that train ALL areas of the base and the internal components.

Expressive Stretching should not embody the entire workout, it should be a part of the workout. Other stretching is needed to make gains come with greatest speed. This is why, even in SRT Routine, which is the newest of the new as far as my routines go, Basic Stretching still plays a very big role. In basic stretching we are hitting all angles allowing for gains to come from many places, that if went un-stretched would leave the gain unclaimed. I am a very big believer in covering all my bases and not leaving any area uncharted. This is, again, why SRT draws exercise and method from so many areas. For me, SRT is the biggest "just in case" routine in the world! It leaves no stone unturned and it will allow every man, who practices it, to make the fastest possible gains with the best possible healing, without ignoring penile health. Some may say that it is overkill but I disagree. I believe that the penis needs to be trained in very specific areas (as outlined in SRT) in order to develop with the greatest expedience.

Limiting ourselves by theory or conjecture in sili and debilitating. A good example of such would be LOT theory and how it claims that no ligamental gains can be made when a certain measurement of LOT (loss of tug back which is measured from 12:00 being a high LOT while 6:00 being a low LOT) is reached. If the very original study is read it is plain to see that I was a VERY BIG ANOMALY according to LOT. I was the one who had a LOT that ligamental stretching determined would not benefit me but, low and behold, the ligament stretching I continued to practice brought much more length, MUCH MORE. One simple exercise in basic stretching completely eliminates any accuracy from LOT theory, Behind the Cheeks Stretching, in this stretch position any man with any LOT measurement can certainly make even greater ligament gains through stretching BTC. If 6:00 is the lowest LOT measurement, look at Behind the Cheeks as a 11:00 measurement in the other direction!

I think that limiting anyone with theory that advocates avoiding any of the necessary parts of penis enlargement is a complete disability. As I said and have said since the beginning, "do it all, just in case"
 
longstretch;571969 said:
I don't have a Bib but I could see where it would work similar to the LM. If you have a Bib try it out and let us know what you think. Also just out of curiosity why did Bib say base hanging was worthless? Does he think its too much skin stretch?

Base hanging is brilliant! It embodies the very heart of Expressive Stretching. It may not effect shaft gains but it certainly stretches the internal penis we so desperately want to expose. __________ has a highly trained and exposed base where he has pulled forward much of his internal penis to become part of his shaft. It is very evident with __________ as the internal penis that was exposed is a bit thicker than the rest of his shaft. Now, this can be avoided and expressed equally using the LengthMaster as the stretches can be directed in rolls, twists and bundles that train ALL areas of the base and the internal components.

Expressive Stretching should not embody the entire workout, it should be a part of the workout. Other stretching is needed to make gains come with greatest speed. This is why, even in SRT Routine, which is the newest of the new as far as my routines go, Basic Stretching still plays a very big role. In basic stretching we are hitting all angles allowing for gains to come from many places, that if went un-stretched would leave the gain unclaimed. I am a very big believer in covering all my bases and not leaving any area uncharted. This is, again, why SRT draws exercise and method from so many areas. For me, SRT is the biggest "just in case" routine in the world! It leaves no stone unturned and it will allow every man, who practices it, to make the fastest possible gains with the best possible healing, without ignoring penile health. Some may say that it is overkill but I disagree. I believe that the penis needs to be trained in very specific areas (as outlined in SRT) in order to develop with the greatest expedience.

Limiting ourselves by theory or conjecture in sili and debilitating. A good example of such would be LOT theory and how it claims that no ligamental gains can be made when a certain measurement of LOT (loss of tug back which is measured from 12:00 being a high LOT while 6:00 being a low LOT) is reached. If the very original study is read it is plain to see that I was a VERY BIG ANOMALY according to LOT. I was the one who had a LOT that ligamental stretching determined would not benefit me but, low and behold, the ligament stretching I continued to practice brought much more length, MUCH MORE. One simple exercise in basic stretching completely eliminates any accuracy from LOT theory, Behind the Cheeks Stretching, in this stretch position any man with any LOT measurement can certainly make even greater ligament gains through stretching BTC. If 6:00 is the lowest LOT measurement, look at Behind the Cheeks as a 11:00 measurement in the other direction!

I think that limiting anyone with theory that advocates avoiding any of the necessary parts of penis enlargement is a complete disability. As I said and have said since the beginning, "do it all, just in case"
 
Sounds good DLD! I likenthenlogic behind the Expressive; to me it makes sense. Here was Bib's reply to me: "Attaching at the base, you are much more likely to only stress and stretch skin. Further, if you grasp the internals properly, you will stress less of the tunica. There are no positive reasons to do it, that I know of."

As I type, my weights are hanging closer to my base than I have ever done. As for skin stretch, I wrapped up really good, so I would hope to avoid excessive skin stretch. I can't say I really feel it pulling IP, but I'm going to give it at least a few weeks to a month before formulating an opinion.

About halfway through, I moved the attachment point closer to the base and the skin stretch was bad. So I moved it up to the original place, which is roughly an inch between the base and the circ scar, right around the middle. I'm experiencing most stronger lig pull rather than IP stretch.
 
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At the end of the 20 minute session... I like it! My penis afterwards looks good - different.
 
I still want to know what you guys are considering the extreme base? The bottom of the shaft where it meets the scrotum? This is where I've been grabbing for the expressive stretching and slow squash jelqing....but I'm not sure if you mean that or even further down, underneath the scrotum where the scrotum meets the pelvic bone. I've seen people talk about this too, and doing "under scrotum jelqs".....so, is the extreme base the base of the shaft or under the scrotum? Perhaps both?
 
TheKing1;572025 said:
I still want to know what you guys are considering the extreme base? The bottom of the shaft where it meets the scrotum? This is where I've been grabbing for the expressive stretching and slow squash jelqing....but I'm not sure if you mean that or even further down, underneath the scrotum where the scrotum meets the pelvic bone. I've seen people talk about this too, and doing "under scrotum jelqs".....so, is the extreme base the base of the shaft or under the scrotum? Perhaps both?
This is all new to me so I have no clue. I find it extremely hard to grab my penis near the base, though.
 
spyoung;572031 said:
This is all new to me so I have no clue. I find it extremely hard to grab my penis near the base, though.
How so? The base as in, right where the shaft meets the scrotum or...? Wrapping my hand at the base as in where my scrotum meets the pelvic bone was hard at first and still am trying to figure out how to jelq that area
 
The extreme base will be as close to the pubic bone as you can grip. I've seen most guys talk about "base stretching" as griping an inch from the base. "The Total Package Stretch" is where you grip around the penis and scrotum. I guess you could jelq below the scrotum, what I refer to as my taint (because it taint my balls and it taint my asshole... lame joke but its my lame joke), but I've never done it so I don't know of any benefit.
 
longstretch;572098 said:
The extreme base will be as close to the pubic bone as you can grip. I've seen most guys talk about "base stretching" as griping an inch from the base. "The Total Package Stretch" is where you grip around the penis and scrotum. I guess you could jelq below the scrotum, what I refer to as my taint (because it taint my balls and it taint my asshole... lame joke but its my lame joke), but I've never done it so I don't know of any benefit.

Total Package Stretch is the JOINT, I can't believe I did not include these in the Expressive portion of SRT! Thanks for the reminder and now I will write them in....so happy about this, I invented the stretch, forgot about it and now KNOW it will be highly influential in gains via Expression.
 
longstretch;572098 said:
The extreme base will be as close to the pubic bone as you can grip. I've seen most guys talk about "base stretching" as griping an inch from the base. "The Total Package Stretch" is where you grip around the penis and scrotum. I guess you could jelq below the scrotum, what I refer to as my taint (because it taint my balls and it taint my asshole... lame joke but its my lame joke), but I've never done it so I don't know of any benefit.

Total Package Stretch is the JOINT, I can't believe I did not include these in the Expressive portion of SRT! Thanks for the reminder and now I will write them in....so happy about this, I invented the stretch, forgot about it and now KNOW it will be highly influential in gains via Expression.
 
Anxiously awaiting the release of the New Testament - no pressure, not rushing you. But am excited.
 
I am not sure if I understood this. You grip with both your hands the base of the penis,balls included and then you pull/stretch outwards?
 
DLD no problem man. It was either this thread itself or perhaps another about expressive stretching that made me remember it. So its come full circle I guess

IcePackx Yes for the Total Package Stretch you do. I wouldn't recommend it for beginners because its powerful and one would know how and what a stretch should and shouldn't feel like. It also requires a good bit more baby powder for me
 
These can have a rather good hit on the EQ right?

Did variations of expressive stretching today and my dick hangs good but rather dead ;)
 
dickerschwanz;590889 said:
These can have a rather good hit on the EQ right?

Did variations of expressive stretching today and my dick hangs good but rather dead ;)

Expressive Stretching, although I invented it a while back, will become the most relevant stretching one can do to increase length.
 
doublelongdaddy;590890 said:
Expressive Stretching, although I invented it a while back, will become the most relevant stretching one can do to increase length.

I know, I just discovered it. Great stuff. Its very tough on the dick I think. I might do it every 2nd day in my routine.
 
dickerschwanz;590910 said:
I know, I just discovered it. Great stuff. Its very tough on the dick I think. I might do it every 2nd day in my routine.

It takes some getting used to but soon you can do some pretty serious sessions daily. It is my precursor to masturbation, if I get a good session in I will allow myself to get off:)
 
Doing expressive stretching with the LM, it's normal to feel skin stretch at the base right? Also, is it effective to do bundled expressive stretching?
 
Halp;620005 said:
Doing expressive stretching with the LM, it's normal to feel skin stretch at the base right? Also, is it effective to do bundled expressive stretching?

yes it is normal. i feel that skin stretch as well. you are also feeling the inner lig stretch right? the inner lig stretch is much more subtle then the skin stretch most feel.

hmmm i don't know for certain if it is effective to do expressive bundle stretches b/c i have never seen that mentioned or thought of it myself my first thought would be no. i think not b/c the point of bundle stretches is to targer the tunica. if you are attached at the base to hit the inner ligs you will not get any tunica stretching benefit from doing a bundled stretch. also you will not twist the inner penis much even though i wouldn't think twisting the inner ligs would be good. does that seem like it makes sense to you as to why expressive bundled stretches aren't necessary? I am looking forwrd to hearing DLD's opinion on it
 
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