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Love how pair research materials with routines. This is how all brothers during their PE journeys need to do. If you need more research materials during your downtime, let me know. I believe your PE obsession does pair up with research obsession like me. Thank you for defending the brothers with your positivity as we will join you in the venture.

For the ligamental tears and stresses, allow the time to heal will help to restore 70% to 80% of the original. However, I don't recommend you stop lengthening process while the ligaments are healing. Why? Healing ligamental retraction will make you lose a bit of gain. Keep lightly tugging at it when you can. Allow them to heal, but don't allow them to retract.

For hanging, static gravitational pull vs dynamic pulls (similar to your supportive ligaments during movement), you must monitor and limit the time loading. Those who are overzealous using super heavy weights and allowing too long of a hanging time will suffer ligamental tears. Light weight with dynamic twisting, moderate and heavy weight (5 to 7.5lbs MAX) to displace, and return to low eight (2.5lbs) low tension stretches. LM3 that you're using take advantage of the dynamic pulls going into 20 lbs territory, just like micro-span ligamental injury. Think of pitchers in baseball on their rotator cuffs, and shoulder ligaments.

Keep up at it, be girth or length, or both. You're one of the brothers' inspirations now.
 
oldandlively said:
Love how pair research materials with routines. This is how all brothers during their PE journeys need to do. If you need more research materials during your downtime, let me know. I believe your PE obsession does pair up with research obsession like me. Thank you for defending the brothers with your positivity as we will join you in the venture.

For the ligamental tears and stresses, allow the time to heal will help to restore 70% to 80% of the original. However, I don't recommend you stop lengthening process while the ligaments are healing. Why? Healing ligamental retraction will make you lose a bit of gain. Keep lightly tugging at it when you can. Allow them to heal, but don't allow them to retract.

For hanging, static gravitational pull vs dynamic pulls (similar to your supportive ligaments during movement), you must monitor and limit the time loading. Those who are overzealous using super heavy weights and allowing too long of a hanging time will suffer ligamental tears. Light weight with dynamic twisting, moderate and heavy weight (5 to 7.5lbs MAX) to displace, and return to low eight (2.5lbs) low tension stretches. LM3 that you're using take advantage of the dynamic pulls going into 20 lbs territory, just like micro-span ligamental injury. Think of pitchers in baseball on their rotator cuffs, and shoulder ligaments.

Keep up at it, be girth or length, or both. You're one of the brothers' inspirations now.
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Very interesting to talk to you. You have so much knowledge, I'm very happy that you re-joined the brotherhood.
So you are saying I should not let my ligaments fully heal in the retracted state?
I'm not doing any length work currently, but after an intense Bathmate session it feels like my ligaments have been pulled a lot, I can be wrong but that is the feeling I'm having. The same feeling as when I was stretching Behind The Cheeks Bundled Stretches with LengthMaster 3.
Also I'm wearing a penis elongation wrap all day long, will this also help to heal my ligaments not fully retracted?

But If I'm going to be honest, I would not be sad if I lost gains in length. I believe my Bathmate sessions will keep my penis long. Also I believe that the maximum bundles I did helped to cement my gains. But I understand that if my ligaments fully heal in a retracted state I would probably lose length. But is this not better from a more anatomical way = make the penis even more stable?

I have not lost any length jet. I am afraid of starting to stretch with LengthMaster 3, I do not want to become obsessed again and overshoot my length to much. My life needs to not only be about penis enlargement, I need to start living. Been trapped in this apartment for ~1 year (sleep, eating, penis enlargement, work and then repeat).

I have been lazy the last days, but I will do a session of Bathmate now to compensate.

I am a deep thinker and the reason I progressed into Behind The Cheeks Stretches, was do to lack of inner penis pull and ligament pull when doing downward stretches. I also logged everything related to length work. There was some post by @MosMaster that, made me realize what I needed to do in order to gain as fast as possible. I am a man that wants facts why something are working in order to optimize it to it's fullest.

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hank you for defending the brothers with your positivity as we will join you in the venture.
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We need to keep the brotherhood positive.

oldandlively said:
Keep up at it, be girth or length, or both. You're one of the brothers' inspirations now.
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Means a lot to read this. I just do my best to share everything I'm doing in relation to my experiences.

Take care brother!
 
After those intense bouts of LM3 stretches, your ligaments are already at a phase where they attempt to heal, but will be very slow to heal. The traumas can be compared to a person with twisted and dislocated knees attempt to run after the injuries. Sounds gruesome, but not so much for the penis.

Now, you're switching to pumping. Taking the same example, rather than running, you're walking on the same injured knees. No need to use the LM3 any more as long as you use the Bathmate. The same tugging and pulling on the ligaments will prevent the retraction of the ligaments, unless you don't use either LM3 or the Bathmate for months on end. You will give the ligaments the chance they need to reattach to the old anchoring sites. However, after if seeing your 3in gain, I can say the ligaments are no longer anchored to those old sites, but at least half an inch away, with looser/thinner ligamentary strands. In due time, the anchor sites will become stronger, and the ligaments will be thicker. If you want to gain more length, you have to lightly resume PE for length once every 3 to 6 weeks. Otherwise, it will take a lot of efforts to prep your inner tissues, ligaments, and muscles to prime for length grow again. But that's just IF you want to grow longer again.
 
oldandlively said:
After those intense bouts of LM3 stretches, your ligaments are already at a phase where they attempt to heal, but will be very slow to heal. The traumas can be compared to a person with twisted and dislocated knees attempt to run after the injuries. Sounds gruesome, but not so much for the penis.

Now, you're switching to pumping. Taking the same example, rather than running, you're walking on the same injured knees. No need to use the LM3 any more as long as you use the Bathmate. The same tugging and pulling on the ligaments will prevent the retraction of the ligaments, unless you don't use either LM3 or the Bathmate for months on end. You will give the ligaments the chance they need to reattach to the old anchoring sites. However, after if seeing your 3in gain, I can say the ligaments are no longer anchored to those old sites, but at least half an inch away, with looser/thinner ligamentary strands. In due time, the anchor sites will become stronger, and the ligaments will be thicker. If you want to gain more length, you have to lightly resume PE for length once every 3 to 6 weeks. Otherwise, it will take a lot of efforts to prep your inner tissues, ligaments, and muscles to prime for length grow again. But that's just IF you want to grow longer again.
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Interesting!
I know what you are saying, good explanation. Thanks I really appreciate it.

It would have been nice to let the ligaments retract fully and heal there, but that would imply that I need to stop my girthwork fully. šŸ¤”

My penis is pretty wide and thick right now.
I'm sure 4.6 cm diameter at the mid-shaft are cemented now (measured from the top with a plastic callipers).

Hard to decide.
But my goal was to max out my Bathmate HydroExtreme 7 Wide Boy now, and then later the HydroExtreme 9.
Probably have to stick with that plan.
 
Maybe do the beginner routine for LengthMaster 3 lightly once and a while, once every 3 to 6 weeks as you recommend.
 
I would say just keep going with the Bathmate until you hit your desire objective. The Bathmate expansion may hit a hard limit wall somewhere along the line, and you have to take a short break. No matter what it is, keep LM3 light routine once in a bike to prevent those ligaments from reforming to their original conditions. You got it. At 4.6cm, you're practically at the point where most females will be filled to the brim. We all know our objective for more matured females start at 4.8. You are blazing into pleasure zone. I'm still trailing behind.
 
oldandlively said:
I would say just keep going with the Bathmate until you hit your desire objective. The Bathmate expansion may hit a hard limit wall somewhere along the line, and you have to take a short break. No matter what it is, keep LM3 light routine once in a bike to prevent those ligaments from reforming to their original conditions. You got it. At 4.6cm, you're practically at the point where most females will be filled to the brim. We all know our objective for more matured females start at 4.8. You are blazing into pleasure zone. I'm still trailing behind.
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That sounds good.

But still worried about the ligaments.
Isn't it better to fully stop all pe until the ligaments have fully retracted and been healed, and when this is the case, I can continue girth work?

But maybe that will take 1 year or something for the ligaments to fully retract and heal, or less?
I know nothing about this, that is why I'm asking.

I'm very unsure what to do. But I suppose that doing girthwork now is the only choice I really have.

But it sounds like you are saying it will not be bad if the ligaments heal a little elongated. The penis still works wonderfully, so that bad can't it be to have the ligaments like this.
 
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Yes. Keep going with girth work until you need to stop. No need for length. The ligaments are resilient. The only way to break them is tear and cut them. Otherwise, you're golden to keep going at girth work. Once you ease up on both girth and length, the ligaments and muscles will heal very fast. If you don't prevent the ligaments and the surround muscles from slowing down to heal, they will heal up fast than you can imagine.

The retraction is at a rate of 0.5in per year after such rigorous routine. You'll understand the rate the moment you allow the he muscles to heal. I know because I have multiple ligamentary damages all over my body, from simple tears to anchoring points injuries and lost of ligaments. Medical journals and records for athletes also very this. This is why they do grafting and new bonding rather waiting on the ligaments to heal.

So, it's your decision at this point. In your shoes, I keep on going.
 
oldandlively said:
Yes. Keep going with girth work until you need to stop. No need for length. The ligaments are resilient. The only way to break them is tear and cut them. Otherwise, you're golden to keep going at girth work. Once you ease up on both girth and length, the ligaments and muscles will heal very fast. If you don't prevent the ligaments and the surround muscles from slowing down to heal, they will heal up fast than you can imagine.

The retraction is at a rate of 0.5in per year after such rigorous routine. You'll understand the rate the moment you allow the he muscles to heal. I know because I have multiple ligamentary damages all over my body, from simple tears to anchoring points injuries and lost of ligaments. Medical journals and records for athletes also very this. This is why they do grafting and new bonding rather waiting on the ligaments to heal.

So, it's your decision at this point. In your shoes, I keep on going.
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Thank you very much. I will continue, and see how much growth I can get. Then everything will have time to heal 100% later.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
We will see.
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You have gained faster to me and it seems if this continues you will have the biggest size ever. I hold that position now but you can crush it if you continue with your monumental routines
 
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You have gained faster to me and it seems if this continues you will have the biggest size ever. I hold that position now but you can crush it if you continue with your monumental routines
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Sounds promising! Thanks for the encouragement.
Just saying, I'm still growing.
 
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The Bathmate expansion may hit a hard limit wall somewhere along the line, and you have to take a short break.
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@oldandlively what do you think about these thoughts below.

I do not know if this is true:
But what happens when we slack out our tunica albigunea "to much"? Will it be harder to keep a strong erection level (haven't noticed anything jet).
Or will the tunica albigunea thicken up again after we have stopped penis enlargement for some time? What I have read is that tunica albigunea is really thick. I was thinking if the tunica albigunea are softer for the blood to push against, will this have any impact on how hard the erection can be?

I have noticed a lot of deformation after session, it's like ridges of expanded tissue (looks like sections of expanded tissue), but after some time after session the tissue gets evenly again.

Do you have anything about this?

Kind regards.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
@oldandlively what do you think about these thoughts below.

I do not know if this is true:
But what happens when we slack out our tunica albigunea "to much"? Will it be harder to keep a strong erection level (haven't noticed anything jet).
Or will the tunica albigunea thicken up again after we have stopped penis enlargement for some time? What I have read is that tunica albigunea is really thick. I was thinking if the tunica albigunea there is less for the blood to push against, will this have any impact on how hard the erection can be?

I have noticed a lot of deformation after session, it's like ridges of expanded tissue (looks like sections of expanded tissue), but after some time after session the tissue gets evenly again.

Do you have anything about this?

Kind regards.
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If and only if you overstressed it to the point of generating lactic acidosis level, tissues will react to switch to conservation stasis over sexually active states. However, those who have been pumping for a long time, that no longer be relevant to a certain extent. However, EQ can suddenly cut off. It happens to me at time when I overpushed myself just before sex. After a good few hours of rest without ADS or wrapping, it resets very quickly. This commonly occurs around 1.5x to 1.75x expansion rate. The expansion of external expansion does not correlate to 1:1 expansion ratio internally. The internal expansion should be around 1.25x to 1.3x. When people start to discuss about 102% to 109% expansion rate, they are "predictively" estimating the possible values before cell membrane breakage. That is incorrect. Base on the cellular science, it takes up to 125% to 150% tolerance external force to break the cell membranes. Otherwise, we'll be bleeding internally from light impacts and look like a blood mesh externally. You are correct that there amount of internal blood pressure in the corpus cavernosa and spongiosum push against the
tunica albigunea tissues to get that erectile pressure, like a vehicle tire. When either or both are stressed, pressure is loss to maintain erection. There must be a counterbalance of internal pressure and outer restrictive force.

For the hard limits, it's just that. You do hit a certain hard limit along the way in terms of expansion. Stressors the cells encountered get recorded at the cellular level. The body readapta by releasing antagonistic hormones and reactive antigens to prevent further cellular replication based on DNA base modeling. This is to prevent you from mutations. I can explain the deeper sciences behind it if you like. It will be a novel though. However, allowing the body to rest and reset through a break of a few months, tricking the body only to repair as needed through light girth work, the body will react with minimal antagonistic responses. I tend to leave it for 6 months after I hit a wall. This doesn't mean I stop completely. I switch to a different directional method. Rather than lateral stressing (pumping), I focus on vertical or uniform stressing (all over) stressing. Different mechanical stressors to invoke different responses. One is gap filling (pumping). The other is elasticity promotion.

Remember how I use the phrase "reprogramming" and "preprograming". Reprogramming is the method to force the cell growth according to the needs at certain conditions. Preprograming is to prime the cells to growth through certain conditions. We just have to be smart about when to reprogram and preprogram.

As for deformity, it's very common. Deformity is a fissure, or a gap, based on where it was formed. When we pump, we don't know where the cellular membrane will break. We can't tell the penis to "break here" or "how much". We can influence the breaking points, but it's up to our body to break accordingly to the areas of intention. Once we know there's a breakage, we force that gap wide open and prevent the deformity or deformities from going out of control. Intense clamping is an out of control method that will cause destruction along the way. Light to moderate is fine as deformation is still under control for gap creation, but fresh blood must cycle through to prevent hypoxemia, leading to clots and cell deaths. This is where scarring, mutations, and extreme deformation occur (penis curvature, Peyronie's, etc). Once you allow the gap to relax, the fissures/gaps return to normal. This is where you're hoping there's sufficient repair and duplication responses already occured during the time you pry the gaps wide open after pumping.
 
oldandlively said:
If and only if you overstressed it to the point of generating lactic acidosis level, tissues will react to switch to conservation stasis over sexually active states. However, those who have been pumping for a long time, that no longer be relevant to a certain extent. However, EQ can suddenly cut off. It happens to me at time when I overpushed myself just before sex. After a good few hours of rest without ADS or wrapping, it resets very quickly. This commonly occurs around 1.5x to 1.75x expansion rate. The expansion of external expansion does not correlate to 1:1 expansion ratio internally. The internal expansion should be around 1.25x to 1.3x. When people start to discuss about 102% to 109% expansion rate, they are "predictively" estimating the possible values before cell membrane breakage. That is incorrect. Base on the cellular science, it takes up to 125% to 150% tolerance external force to break the cell membranes. Otherwise, we'll be bleeding internally from light impacts and look like a blood mesh externally. You are correct that there amount of internal blood pressure in the corpus cavernosa and spongiosum push against the
tunica albigunea tissues to get that erectile pressure, like a vehicle tire. When either or both are stressed, pressure is loss to maintain erection. There must be a counterbalance of internal pressure and outer restrictive force.

For the hard limits, it's just that. You do hit a certain hard limit along the way in terms of expansion. Stressors the cells encountered get recorded at the cellular level. The body readapta by releasing antagonistic hormones and reactive antigens to prevent further cellular replication based on DNA base modeling. This is to prevent you from mutations. I can explain the deeper sciences behind it if you like. It will be a novel though. However, allowing the body to rest and reset through a break of a few months, tricking the body only to repair as needed through light girth work, the body will react with minimal antagonistic responses. I tend to leave it for 6 months after I hit a wall. This doesn't mean I stop completely. I switch to a different directional method. Rather than lateral stressing (pumping), I focus on vertical or uniform stressing (all over) stressing. Different mechanical stressors to invoke different responses. One is gap filling (pumping). The other is elasticity promotion.

Remember how I use the phrase "reprogramming" and "preprograming". Reprogramming is the method to force the cell growth according to the needs at certain conditions. Preprograming is to prime the cells to growth through certain conditions. We just have to be smart about when to reprogram and preprogram.

As for deformity, it's very common. Deformity is a fissure, or a gap, based on where it was formed. When we pump, we don't know where the cellular membrane will break. We can't tell the penis to "break here" or "how much". We can influence the breaking points, but it's up to our body to break accordingly to the areas of intention. Once we know there's a breakage, we force that gap wide open and prevent the deformity or deformities from going out of control. Intense clamping is an out of control method that will cause destruction along the way. Light to moderate is fine as deformation is still under control for gap creation, but fresh blood must cycle through to prevent hypoxemia, leading to clots and cell deaths. This is where scarring, mutations, and extreme deformation occur (penis curvature, Peyronie's, etc). Once you allow the gap to relax, the fissures/gaps return to normal. This is where you're hoping there's sufficient repair and duplication responses already occured during the time you pry the gaps wide open after pumping.
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Can't thank you enough for this awesome response.
It's just hard to be scientific about when doing sessions. I go mostly on the feeling in my penis in order to reprogram and preprogram the tissue.

I have done 3 days now with hard pumping and the expansion is insane now on the last day. But if I understood your definition, I need to preprogram now in order to grow (wearing a penis elongation wrap, rest some days + MOSRED).

Without knowing it I have been balancing the reprograming phase and preprograming phase perfectly throughout my penis enlargement journey, without knowing the deep underlaying biological mechanisms for this.


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As for deformity, it's very common. Deformity is a fissure, or a gap, based on where it was formed. When we pump, we don't know where the cellular membrane will break. We can't tell the penis to "break here" or "how much". We can influence the breaking points, but it's up to our body to break accordingly to the areas of intention. Once we know there's a breakage, we force that gap wide open and prevent the deformity or deformities from going out of control. Intense clamping is an out of control method that will cause destruction along the way. Light to moderate is fine as deformation is still under control for gap creation, but fresh blood must cycle through to prevent hypoxemia, leading to clots and cell deaths. This is where scarring, mutations, and extreme deformation occur (penis curvature, Peyronie's, etc). Once you allow the gap to relax, the fissures/gaps return to normal. This is where you're hoping there's sufficient repair and duplication responses already occured during the time you pry the gaps wide open after pumping.
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Very interesting.
Feeling very positive for my growth.
I can't get these deformity = fissure/gap with air pumping.
Only with Bathmate water pumping I can get to this maximum expansion for growth. I have a feeling I'm on the right track now.

I'm sorry I do not understand everything deeply what you are writing, but I can understand the implications of the information. Either way it's really helpful, the way you explain things.

You talked about water pumping and air pumping before if I remember correctly. I believe water pumping was better becouse the expanision happens more evenly, and there is some even out happening as well in the tissue due to the water. This is something you don't get with air. Did I understand this correctly?

I will see when I hit the wall, I think it's soon.
My theory is also that it can be a good idea to let the skin tightening up after a period of intense expansion.
 
You truly are on track with instinctive pumping alone. With science to back you up, it verified your progressive methods of approaches. Any detail info you need, I'll gladly offer it to you. It's one way for us to learn, relearn, and prepare during the PE journey.
squirt_inducer_man said:
You talked about water pumping and air pumping before if I remember correctly. I believe water pumping was better becouse the expanision happens more evenly, and there is some even out happening as well in the tissue due to the water. This is something you don't get with air. Did I understand this correctly?

I will see when I hit the wall, I think it's soon.
My theory is also that it can be a good idea to let the skin tightening up after a period of intense expansion.
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Air pumping is great if you're dealing with limited girth growth and focus on EQ and partial length growth. In a confined cylinder roughly 110% of your of your erected girth, you are forcing blood flow into the penis to provide essential building and repairing materials to combat ED, at the same time, correcting damaged tissues like scarring, or even Peyronie's to an extent. Breaking cells down, forcing them to repair, and constrain them within a straight tubular elongation only. However, as you already know, air vacuum pressure causes inconsistent pressurized balance. Just like we discussed in other posts, it causes weakened gaps to be larger, and deformities to be in the extreme states. With water, consistent surround pressure preventa that from happening, but at the same time, there must not be any large air gap in the system to cause the displacement of water ans cause extreme deformities. The bubble cannot be larger than 1.5 cubic centimeters. It's hard at first, but there are ways to work around it. You just have to find that easy approach. I jostle the BM around to get all the air out of the ridges of the gaiter, lean back, and pump the air out through the hand pump. That can't be done without it.

Your limit may be soon, but you probably can still gain another 1 to 1.5cm before you encounter that limit. Your body may even detect that you are trying to grow, and keeps providing you the pathway to push to another 5cm of growth. There's no way to determine a hard limit until your body tells you. Most commonly, around 6 to 9 months. Some went as far as 2 years. I freaked out when my acquaintance told me he kept on gaining after 9 months, into 18 months with a bit of slowdown, ans stop gaining around 19 to 24 months. I advised him to switch off for 6 months then resume. He kept growing after the reset phase. I feel sorry for the poor girls he met and will be meeting. One of the girls said his girth was like him fisting her on the inside, but she could not stop her legs from shaking due to intense climaxes. Take the good with the bad.

Keep at it brother. You will be an orgasmic demon in bed.
 
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