BIB Beta Starter (New Design)

doublelongdaddy said:

I can't wait to get the Max-Vac and try it out

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There should be a law against you using any sort of lengthening exercise. >


My two cents on the bib vs. max vac.
bib seemed to pull alot on the skin, and required actual skill with regards to wrapping and over all set up.

max vac is a no brainer. you put it on very simple. and not to mention you can hang for MUCH longer times than with the bib.


cons of max vac:

the sheaths that come with it easily rip after a month or two of use and you have to reorder them.

The hose attatcHydromaxent is very lose and can easily come off and release ur vaccum amidst a session and you have to personally use teflon tape to creat a seal or the hanger itself is hopeless.

alot of fluid build up.

The heavier the weight the higher the amount of pressure u need to keep the hanger on. which can be dangerous. I'm haning at 15 lbs now and while hanging my guage shows an easy 15-20 psi.



Though I wouldn't put my word behind the max-vac as the ultimate hanging device there are a couple of things that I can say.

The fatigue in the ligs is definately felt, which indicates the internal structures are being pulled. I'm not a long time hanger and I haven't gone on a hanging routine with the Max-Vac to vouch for any gains, so I don't know if the device will actually produce gains, though theoretically it should.

also, costumer service (as is with BIB) is excellent. BTC has done an excellent job in that department.

I thought Bib said he was all done with the hangers and now he's making a new one? Confused????

doublelongdaddy said:

I thought Bib said he was all done with the hangers and now he's making a new one? Confused????

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I'm glad that did not happen we cant lose the bib hangers lol.

so when will it be on the market. i would like to try it. thanks

shortone said:

so when will it be on the market. i would like to try it. thanks

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There is one on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/BIB-Hanger-Male...ryZ33165QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Pandora said:

There is one on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/BIB-Hanger-Male...ryZ33165QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Does BIB know that the guy he sent it to for testing and feedback is selling it on ebay? And said it cost over $90 new?
I hope whoever this is had the common courtesy to let BIB know about it.

wannabe12.5 said:

Does BIB know that the guy he sent it to for testing and feedback is selling it on ebay? And said it cost over $90 new?
I hope whoever this is had the common courtesy to let BIB know about it.

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Well i had to pay for my beta model so i would of thought this person had to pay too.

gerrykjohnsons said:

That's funny you should say that because I didn't care for the Max-Vac. For me, vacuum hanging causes extreme fluid build-up.

I think the trick with the Bib is to find a wrapping technique (material type and position on penis).

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I have used the Max Vac consistently and felt that I had it down pat but the fluid buildup won't stop. Even if I hang less time, it comes back. So, I am back to my Big Hanger. I don't have a probem with it, just looking for something more comfortable. Sounds like the Beta Model is the right thing. GS

well on ebay so far it's going for $71.00. how much did you pay.

Pandora said:

Well i had to pay for my beta model so i would of thought this person had to pay too.

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What is your thoughts on the Beta Model of the Bib? Did/do you like it? GS

I've only used the Max-Vac for 2 days now but another issue I have with it besides fluid buildup is blisters on the glans. SWM would be able to tell you this also but this has me worried. I don't know if it is just a newbie thing that will go away in time but it definitely has me concerned. I may use it for a few minutes a day and use the Bib I've got for the rest of the time until I am conditioned enough to use the MV full time. I finally got the Bib adjusted correctly so I am confident with it. I just thought that the MV would be better right off the bat and for me, its not. Just 5 pounds for 2 30 minute sessions brought on 2 blisters so that sucks.

German Stallion said:

What is your thoughts on the Beta Model of the Bib? Did/do you like it? GS

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Yes i do like it but i also liked the older starter model too but i can't fit in the old starter any more:D

He is probably gonna be selling these towards the end of year so you can all decide for yourself.

I may buy one if the MV doesn't work out for me for some reason. I used my Bib Starter again last night and it may not be as comfortable as the MV, but we all know it is effective.

GOMER_PYLE said:

I may buy one if the MV doesn't work out for me for some reason. I used my Bib Starter again last night and it may not be as comfortable as the MV, but we all know it is effective.

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attaching a rope and a rock is effective too , but thats not the point . I fucken hate the bib , the thing is massive , and it tears up your coK. ive gotten some fluid build up with the max vac , but no blisters

max vac >>> bib max vac is the mercades benz while the bib is the honda:blush:

Nar lol some people can master both hangers their both as good as each other both have their goods and bads.

And i love the bib and the maxvac in fact i love all forms of Penis Enlargement :D

Plus is sounds like your brought the wrong model and you needed the starter not the original.

I've been getting some more painful blisters from the max-vac so I'm sticking with the Bib until BTC can get the penis covers built. The glove thumb I used is only good for 20 minute sets so I might as well go back to the Bib. I've been hanging for 3 hours per night with the Bib and the fatigue is incredible. I start out at 25 pounds to reach fatigue as quick as I can and then I ride it out for the remaining sets until I can't hang even 5 pounds comfortably. I am very interested in the new Bib model so when it comes out for real, please let us know.

Here is my thread over at MyNewSize:
http://www.mynewsize.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1209

Both hangers do indeed have their pros/cons. None is perfect, that's for sure. I have the most experience with the bib style hangers. I tested the beta (yes that was me selling mine ....I believe it finally went for around $150) for at least a couple weeks, and it is indeed the best version of BIBs hangers yet. I hope for the sake of other hangers that he does put these into production like he is/was considering. I could do 30 minute sets easily with the 'beta'. I have no financial, OR ass kissing interest in either hanger...so I feel my feedback is honest, and open.

It's funny, according to BIB himself it was Pandora who requested the "beta" be made...and from the way BIB made it sound, he went out of his way to try and satisfy this ONE guy (Pandora)...spending the $$ to make NEW molds, and take the time out of his busy personal and family life....and Pandora was still not happy. :s Just goes to show the quality of a man BIB is.

Pandora, nothing personal dude, but damn, I know I'm bigger in girth than you are and my beta fit me with plenty of room to spare. I required almost no wrap, AND the bottom adjustment bolts did not even need to be backed out. Even with the older BIB starter models, my only gripe at ANY hanging angle with the hangers was some skin pinching from the teeth....which has been eliminated by the way with the beta.

As far as the Max Vac, I did not personally have the patience to take the ...possibly months it might have taken to build up the tolerance to the vacuum+resistance, and I also got blistering on my glans when I tried to do a total of more than a couple hours of hang time daily. If I was still seeking length gains, I would have for SURE stuck with the BIB beta, as I was able to knock out 30 minute sets, back to back to back with no problems...and with months since I had hung last. In other words, the Max Vac, while more comfortable than the BIB style hangers...it was not as user friendly...at least not up front. Maybe many months down the road, I might have been able to use a similar amount of weight as with the BIB, and for similar daily hang time amounts, but I did not have that type of time to adapt to the MV.

Again, the BIB is not perfect. However, for the guy who is serious about hanging, and like most men does not have hours a day to use for hanging due to a busy schedule, I can say that he would get faster results with the BIB due to the fact that there is less adapting time required, and you would be using more weight, and making more out of the hang time you are able to use.

HOWEVER, if you work at home, or just have no life, and have hours a day to play around with...the Max Vac might be for you.....or if you have more patience, and a limited schedule...it might be for you.

Ok since we are being honest i will tell you why i think this hanger that Bib has made can be made even better or what i think is missing.

This is the last conversation i had with bigger.

From:"Bib Hanger"<bib_hanger@hotmail.com>
To: darkwatch09@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: it the wells
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:14:35 -0500

Pandora,

Well, remember we talked about the teeth on top and bottom.<

Yeah we did but i never wanted anything doing to the teeth or the
thumbs i just wanted to not touch the bolt.<

Well, you should have said something, and we could have ended the
folly then. You did not want to touch the hinge, I suggested larger
teeth, top and bottom, and you said fine.

I'm talking how you do it molding it professional not going at it
like a cowboy i now think its is the wells the bigger front thumbs
are missing not so sure if its the teeth now.<

Make a prototype, make a mold of the prototype, etc. Unless you
want to make a bunch of hanges, just work on your own prototype.

This was with the old starter and it was when i broke it i never
did girth work only very light jelqing i had to wait for another
hanger from you i lost the temp gains i had going and also i must
have gain girth hanging was not the same ever since i broke the
starter must have gained girth on the 2 weeks down time i had.

I do horse squeeze and B.T.B jelqing along with regular jelqing
anything to aid with erection and getting better blood flow to the
penis.

Well, there you go. Always save girth work until after you have
reached length goals.

I think that is what makes it better the old starter i feel the
beta needs these front thumbs i think it is better comfort wise and
it allows for more slipping its more stable gives a better grip
that is what i think i could not find out what was missing but i
think that this is it. The thumbs need to be bigger cover more
space in the hanger then i think it will be perfect.<

Every single guys that has tested the hanger likes the front thumbs.
You are grasping at straws. You have no idea what would be
perfect for you. I suggest you try many many different combinations
with the hanger just as it is. You will probably find what is right
for you.

I also think for newbie's there should maybe be gel bib this hanger
has ripped my skin a couple of times.<

There is! It is called the Starter model.

Because circulations with gel and some theraband works better than
a sweat shirt and theraband but I'm not bothered about gel i would
like to see bigger thumbs.

So we are on about the same thing here then these are called the
front thumbs.<

That is correct.

Why the gap here.

Take a look at the pictures.<

Because there is no padding. The hard plastic has to stay away from
the dorsal nerve bundle behind the top of the head.

Bigger

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Right then so as you can see i use to hang in a funny way lying flat on my stomach with my legs on a stool i got this idea from somebody at thunder where he explain the some tribal men where digging holes in the ground then placing doors across the holes and laying flat on there stomach hanging Straight out so i thought ok i will try this and it was incredible i worked my way up to 20 pounds plus i think i was close to 30 pounds not sure tho it could of just been 20 pounds but i use to do a least 5 to 6 sets then work my way down until i could not stand it anymore and never not matter what i have done have i even come close to the stretch and fatigue i could get from this angle the only thing that comes close is the new rice sock technique so when i got the new beta i was excited because i thought i would be able to do this angle again but i have try and try and it just does not feel right i can't get it to work and i could not work out what was wrong until it hit me and as you can see above that is what i feel is wrong and good god you wont believe how long it took me to persuade bigger to make changes to the hanger last time.

And stillwantmore go and get a pulley rigged up and see if you can hang 20 pounds with the new rice sock technique or even try the lying on you stomach and hanging 20 pounds but oh yeah i forgot you sold the hanger oh well lol.

Oh and also it was nothing to do with girth this time.

But yeah i thank bigger for everything that he has done but i am not the sole person that was complaining about the last hanger there was others.

And from what i can see at �other forum� there is people making changes to the new beta.
http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=71158

But the hanger is still good i will continue to hang with it.

"i also liked the older starter model too but i can't fit in the old starter any more"

See �other forum� about beta bib starter.

I filed up an old starter to imitate the beta. I can't make top and bottom teeth grow, but I rounded the lengthwise corners, concaved the side surface like beta, no padding remains, holes are filled with epoxy.

I use some toe out.

I adjust the top bolt first as realmcdeal said to.

I use a head wrap tube, double, and roll it into eight thicknesses behind the glans.

The top bolt is right on the skin, so I have to put a 1" x 2-1/4" rectangle of eighth inch thick jumpusa.com SpringBak insole under the top teeth.

I will buy a Beta or the new production model like that.

GOMER_PYLE said:

I may buy one if the MV doesn't work out for me for some reason. I used my Bib Starter again last night and it may not be as comfortable as the MV, but we all know it is effective.

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I've been using the new production model of the bib (not the BETA, just the one created with the new molds) and using a fulcrum. The pull is intense, and it's targeting tissues that I've never felt pull before.