A Well Presented Argument from All who were involved

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tbirdy;292397 said:
As for your motives and the insult: Its not the problem HOW MUCH MONEY you make but the FACT alone that You MAKE money AND have big ass banners on top of this Forum advertizing YOUR beliefs - is what discredits you somewhat in itself.
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Listen, I could get a full time job outside of MOS and rarely be here. If I am working another job forget about new exercises from me, forget about the 100's of emails I answer, forget about the articles I research and write. Reevaluate your statement, again it is extremely insulting. My banner is there to keep me here, ya heard?
 
Oh, not to mention the hundreds of PM's I answer. My PM box it always close to full, that is 500 messages!
 
"""Reevaluate your statement, again it is extremely insulting. My banner is there to keep me here, ya heard?""""


Thats true.

Man I'm confused now - its like we both have a valid point in what we say.


If what You say is true , I understand now how I insulted you - if not you gotta understand why I insulted you.

What we do now ?

Kick each other in the nuts "cartman" style till one drops unconcious ?
 
tbirdy;292404 said:
Kick each other in the nuts "cartman" style till one drops unconcious ?
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That sounds like a plan but I wear steel toes, for real though. I go first. I will really give you ED. :)
 
psychotic;292283 said:
Just remember DLD has a fucking machine gun at his crib, he's obviously expecting some shit one day with an army of limp dicked men.
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I live in a place where life requires protection. I would not greet someone at my door with Heckler & Koch SP89 MP5, nah, I'll answer the door with the 9 milli. :) The hood I am in is the playground of drugs and cops, guns and knives, crack heads and junkies. I keep a gun tucked in every corner.
 
doublelongdaddy;292406 said:
I live in a place where life requires protection. I would not greet someone at my door with Heckler & Koch SP89 MP5, nah, I'll answer the door with the 9 milli. :) The hood I am in is the playground of drugs and cops, guns and knives, crack heads and junkies. I keep a gun tucked in every corner.
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I know dude, it was a joke. Shit, I wouldn't feel safe there even with all that ammo!
 
hahaha, I hope you two are making up:)

Tbirdy u better wear a cup or DLD's steel toe caps will be putting you in the boo boos and band aids forum for a LONG time;)
 
PS i wanna thank both of you guys, you have both answered questions I have! So thanks for taking the time!:)
 
Perhaps this calls for someone posting video of light jelqing and stretching techniques, while making them stickies at the same time (in the newbie section). Hell, I bet you could make someone watch the videos who was signing up for an account here (make them watch the videos and hit Agree before registration, wouldn't be too hard of a vBulletin hack). If you show someone what truly is moderation, by video, they will probably much less apt to hurting themselves in the future.
 
10inchadvantage;292442 said:
Perhaps this calls for someone posting video of light jelqing and stretching techniques, while making them stickies at the same time (in the newbie section). Hell, I bet you could make someone watch the videos who was signing up for an account here (make them watch the videos and hit Agree before registration, wouldn't be too hard of a vBulletin hack). If you show someone what truly is moderation, by video, they will probably much less apt to hurting themselves in the future.
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good idea 10inchadvantage.
 
Very interesting reading but I've got to comment.

1. I don't think people felt like they were protecting DLD, at least I wasn't.
T-Birdy's claims would be very disturbing that Penis Enlargement-ing will cause damage and ED no matter what if it is performed the way it's being done ect ect.

2. T bird got hurt jelqing. Are you serious? Jelqing? Don't we think that would be a freak accident not at all normative? I would and do. Like I said I'm sorry he got hurt but with all the advanced exercises going on Jelqing is less stressful than masturbation.
Why try and scare people with that?

He got hurt and therefore everyone else will too. This isn't about whether if people ever got hurt doing Penis Enlargement, people have and it's unfortunate, but that is not the assertion or implication being made by him, sorry.

Any doubts to this comes from his own post where he says to all of his doubters that we all will be experiencing ED in a few years, just we wait. After all according to him DLD is dependant on Cialis for a hard on.

He comes off as trying to sound reasonable but when objectors, object he becomes argumentative and plays the victim.

The term "buyer beware" was common when I was growing up and it simply means that as a purchaser you've got to protect yourself and use your head.
 
@anth1225 - My man, eventhough you are definetly entitled to your own opinion - I fear you fell in love, with the first obvious critism that came to your mind , too quickly. Dig deeper into what was said:


2. T bird got hurt jelqing. Are you serious? Jelqing? Don't we think that would be a freak accident not at all normative? I would and do. Like I said I'm sorry he got hurt but with all the advanced exercises going on Jelqing is less stressful than masturbation.
Why try and scare people with that?

He got hurt and therefore everyone else will too. This isn't about whether if people ever got hurt doing Penis Enlargement, people have and it's unfortunate, but that is not the assertion or implication being made by him, sorry.
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This whole Post/thread/scenario Is NOT about Tbirdy complaining about his Jelq accident. I even states in several posts it could have very well been a mild case of Peyronies. This whole thing is about Tbirdy, knowing about the potentual risks and witnessing them in the booboos section , trying to warn and educate the veterans and especially the newbies, about possible future consequences of Penis Enlargement. There are no long term studys. Everything is short term and "while in routine". To prove me wrong, you would need 1000 men from here stopping Penis Enlargement completely and then report back after several years on their erection strength. My "freak accident" as you call it was repeated many times now, as you can read in the injury section by several guys. (Definetly without peyronies as a possible reason like in my case!)

To say Jelquing is less stressfull than masturbation is " completely wrong" in my opinion: Why? Let me explain.

The technique is grab with OK sign at the base being semi-erect and push the blood up to the head, using sensible grip strength and repeating many times over, pre-warm up and post-warm down/cool down included.

This motion is completely unnatural. Its directly the opposite of natural. Most natural stress/motion for the Penis is sex. The Penis enters the vagina and is being jelqued from top to bottom ! NEVER from bottom to top. The pussy even squeezes the dick upon a thrust in movement, thus jelquing it from top to bottom and relaxes upon the thrust out movement.

The pressure applied differs greatly, too.

Most important: By jelquing you force the blood not only through the arteries - wich is good in itself , but also through the VEINS (they are needed for outflow) and again exactly against "the stream" , against the vein-valves and against the flow.

This is impossible to simulate in sex - where when being completely erect the veins are shut of and very reduced in size.

All of these facts make even one single jelq stroke a completely unique , unnatural stress that you perform on your healthy penis.

On :
He got hurt and therefore everyone else will too. This isn't about whether if people ever got hurt doing Penis Enlargement, people have and it's unfortunate, but that is not the assertion or implication being made by him, sorry.
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UHydromax. Yes it is ! It not about I got hurt everyone else will. Its about I know what CAN get you hurt AND WHY and I don't want everyone else to take unnessary risk.

The "intense Penis Enlargement followers" group have theory and practical evidence (as in well I'm doing Penis Enlargement and its still working good) as proof for their rightousness.
What they DON'T have is : Well I'm doing Penis Enlargement, its working good AND IT WILL WORK GOOD 10 years from now AND it will work good when I stop Penis Enlargement completely.

What I have is theory and advise on how to put you on the safe side, and practical evidence from my own experience and evidence from the injury section and world wide scientific research - because as one wise member already noticed : We all guinnepigs ! You can't argue against me on this one because , its theory against theory with NO proof that you will keep your gains and your health on one side but alot of evidence THAT YOU CAN LOOSE alot on the other side.


@Why try and scare people with that? = This is why I try and WARN people about Is there really a need to take such a risk ?


@He comes off as trying to sound reasonable but when objectors, object he becomes argumentative and plays the victim.

--------------> Where, when and who ? You can play secretary I'm the boss 2night ! I say :-D


@where he says to all of his doubters that we all will be experiencing ED in a few years, just we wait.

-----------> Are you saying We all WILL NOT HAVE ? Please back that up by anything senseful. Oh wait - You can't, there are NO LONG TERM OBSERVATIONS worth shit !



@The term "buyer beware" was common when I was growing up and it simply means that as a purchaser you've got to protect yourself and use your head.

-----> Good for you , that you grew up like that and became so smart. Do you expect everyone to be the same ? Oh , and if not - don't the people DESERVE to be warned and educated ? Or do you say, if you didn't watch out and were to dumb - it was YOU FAULT so enjoy your ED - you deserve it ?

What if (theoratically) your brother, who happens to be a singer, an artist , a scientist, a sportsman AND an insecureman who is trying to increase his penis for his wife - no matter what , will fall prey to this ? Still OK with you - as in he was to dumb ? How he was to dumb if he is good in other areas but NOT in the art of Penis Enlargement and the knowledge and risks behind it ?

What about young guys , who can't wait who are out for a quick fix ? They deserve ED being 19 ???

Or rather lots of sex and happiness and a cool mindset to enjoy the beauty of life ?
 
tbirdy;292544 said:
@anth1225 - My man, eventhough you are definetly entitled to your own opinion - I fear you fell in love, with the first obvious critism that came to your mind , too quickly. Dig deeper into what was said:




This whole Post/thread/scenario Is NOT about Tbirdy complaining about his Jelq accident. I even states in several posts it could have very well been a mild case of Peyronies. This whole thing is about Tbirdy, knowing about the potentual risks and witnessing them in the booboos section , trying to warn and educate the veterans and especially the newbies, about possible future consequences of Penis Enlargement. There are no long term studys. Everything is short term and "while in routine". To prove me wrong, you would need 1000 men from here stopping Penis Enlargement completely and then report back after several years on their erection strength. My "freak accident" as you call it was repeated many times now, as you can read in the injury section by several guys. (Definetly without peyronies as a possible reason like in my case!)

To say Jelquing is less stressfull than masturbation is " completely wrong" in my opinion: Why? Let me explain.

The technique is grab with OK sign at the base being semi-erect and push the blood up to the head, using sensible grip strength and repeating many times over, pre-warm up and post-warm down/cool down included.

This motion is completely unnatural. Its directly the opposite of natural. Most natural stress/motion for the Penis is sex. The Penis enters the vagina and is being jelqued from top to bottom ! NEVER from bottom to top. The pussy even squeezes the dick upon a thrust in movement, thus jelquing it from top to bottom and relaxes upon the thrust out movement.

The pressure applied differs greatly, too.

Most important: By jelquing you force the blood not only through the arteries - wich is good in itself , but also through the VEINS (they are needed for outflow) and again exactly against "the stream" , against the vein-valves and against the flow.

This is impossible to simulate in sex - where when being completely erect the veins are shut of and very reduced in size.

All of these facts make even one single jelq stroke a completely unique , unnatural stress that you perform on your healthy penis.

On :

UHydromax. Yes it is ! It not about I got hurt everyone else will. Its about I know what CAN get you hurt AND WHY and I don't want everyone else to take unnessary risk.

The "intense Penis Enlargement followers" group have theory and practical evidence (as in well I'm doing Penis Enlargement and its still working good) as proof for their rightousness.
What they DON'T have is : Well I'm doing Penis Enlargement, its working good AND IT WILL WORK GOOD 10 years from now AND it will work good when I stop Penis Enlargement completely.

What I have is theory and advise on how to put you on the safe side, and practical evidence from my own experience and evidence from the injury section and world wide scientific research - because as one wise member already noticed : We all guinnepigs ! You can't argue against me on this one because , its theory against theory with NO proof that you will keep your gains and your health on one side but alot of evidence THAT YOU CAN LOOSE alot on the other side.


@Why try and scare people with that? = This is why I try and WARN people about Is there really a need to take such a risk ?


@He comes off as trying to sound reasonable but when objectors, object he becomes argumentative and plays the victim.

--------------> Where, when and who ? You can play secretary I'm the boss 2night ! I say :-D


@where he says to all of his doubters that we all will be experiencing ED in a few years, just we wait.

-----------> Are you saying We all WILL NOT HAVE ? Please back that up by anything senseful. Oh wait - You can't, there are NO LONG TERM OBSERVATIONS worth shit !



@The term "buyer beware" was common when I was growing up and it simply means that as a purchaser you've got to protect yourself and use your head.

-----> Good for you , that you grew up like that and became so smart. Do you expect everyone to be the same ? Oh , and if not - don't the people DESERVE to be warned and educated ? Or do you say, if you didn't watch out and were to dumb - it was YOU FAULT so enjoy your ED - you deserve it ?

What if (theoratically) your brother, who happens to be a singer, an artist , a scientist, a sportsman AND an insecureman who is trying to increase his penis for his wife - no matter what , will fall prey to this ? Still OK with you - as in he was to dumb ? How he was to dumb if he is good in other areas but NOT in the art of Penis Enlargement and the knowledge and risks behind it ?

What about young guys , who can't wait who are out for a quick fix ? They deserve ED being 19 ???

Or rather lots of sex and happiness and a cool mindset to enjoy the beauty of life ?
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Ok boss:
Buyer beware doesn't mean I am making myself out to be smarter than everyone else, that appears to be your department, it simply means if you're going to grab your wanker you'd best use some common sense that's all.

No it doesn't mean the hell with everyone else, and it really warms my heart that you are so altruistic as to look out for everyone else, in the midst of personal attacks on someones character,
Wait while I wipe the tears from my eyes. It's just sooo beautiful *sniff*

I've been Penis Enlargement-ing for 3 yrs and in my time I've never heard anyone say throw caution to the wind, but I've seen newbies warned time and time again to take things slow.

Proof that you have been obnoxious with those who don't agree with you and challenge your statements:
Just look at your reply to me that's proof enough.
I stated that you are saying that we will all have ed eventually, which you did say, gets turned on it's ear as you stating to me:

"Are you saying We all WILL NOT HAVE ? Please back that up by anything senseful. Oh wait - You can't, there are NO LONG TERM OBSERVATIONS worth shit !"

UHydromax no I did not say we would or wouldn't. I said you stated as a matter of fact we would. Could it be you overstated your case?
Or are you just trying to win an argument?

Your description of masturbating, turned into a description of the physiology of the penis during sex which I don't know how we arrived there.

I said masturbation which would be opposite of the sex act also. Maybe you're different but I've had lots more aggressive masturbation sessions than I've ever had jelqing and those two analogies are compatible.
You wouldn't be practicing selective citing just to be right would you?
I thought you were so concerned for truth.

I expected just such a reply from you as I received. I'm not surprised or offended.

I never disputed injuries, but your declarations of just wait you're all next, well if I haven't been Penis Enlargement-ing before, forget it I never would.

Also it's quite ironic that you would advocate using a pump, which is 100 times more dangerous than jelqing, even if for only 10 minutes.
I mean that's a head scratcher for sure, but I guess someone with my limited capabilities can't compare to the genious that is you, so there is no way for me to ever comprehend that as you seem to.

anth
 
anth1225;292563 said:
Also it's quite ironic that you would advocate using a pump, which is 100 times more dangerous than jelqing, even if for only 10 minutes.

anth
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Why so? I was thinking about giving pumping a try?! If you keep pressure sensible (5gh) and dont even spend too long in the cylinder...why would this be more dangerous than jelqing? Let alone 100 times more?

Cheers
 
tbirdy is looking for love in all the wrong places this dude is wac. im tired of dis dude and what he thinks is right .......he must have a p.h.d playa. hatin. dickhead
 
^ :)


tbirdy posted his original post publicly, then decided, 5 minutes later, to delete it and send it in a Private Message to DLD - to my mind the issue here is that a Private Mesage from one member to another was made public without nil conversation between the two... that is very poor form.

tbirdy, forget what anyone is saying in this thread and let it die. you do not have to defend yourself here, you have done nothing wrong except take ardent objection to something another member has said or done and that is your right as a forum member.

peace.


keep pushing
 
Threak-X;292583 said:
Speak only with good purpose. If it doesn’t serve, don’t say it.
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We can't find it, because we can't see it. This has nothing to do with any part of this thread but I know that Threak will understand it's meaning to the response he has made to this thread.

A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all.
 
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