Stretching the SEPTUM...MOST important!!

[German Stallion]

DLD, and all the Penis Enlargement members here: I have done some very important thinking and testing and unless we stretch the septum we will never get length of penis gain. I discussed this on another thread/post some time ago but nothing comes from it but here are my thoughts. When doing heavy stetching manual or otherwise, we can feel this strong cord in the very inner part of the shaft. It attaches to the glans and attaches to the public bone. It may go back into the behind the balls part of our shaft and connect back farther, I can't really tell, but it is tough and like a solid rope when hanging. It has to give, to give length. You can get girth with the meat part of your schlong, but you can't get length if you don't get that septum to give and stretch. What it takes on each of us, who knows, but it has to reach a point of fatigue and give or nothing is going anywhere. The tunica surrounds the septum and regardless of what else we do, it has to give. Any ideas or success in this area would be appreicated. I think this is why hanging is so very necessary and productive. Obviously there are some great first gains and the septum gives but after a while, it is definitley the determining factor. Little is said about it and yet it keeps giving me fits. I work it, twisting and pulling and when under a load in hanging, put my finger under and pull up, doing the same to the sides and all along it. So, give us some feed back on what you are doing to get the septum to give. GS

 

[8InchMIKE]

Hey GS how's it going dude ??? I hope you're fine mate.

This SEPTUM thing has also puzzled me right from the start ( my start on NPenis Enlargement ). I remember on one of my first threads refering to it as " ...some kind of space age cable used to tow comets out of Earth's path... ". I firmly believe that this cord ( septum ) is the end all be all as far as lenght gains are concerned. You are absolutly right mate, either the septum stretches or no lenght for any of us. I too push on it quite strongly when stretching and especialy when doing A and V-stretches. It sure feels like it's made of damn steel and it won't stretch no matter how hard i hit it.

Lenght is what i'm after here so i better come up with a way of stretching the damn thing or else...lenght stays put.

I'll try and research the anatomy on the septum and the risks we might have to consider while streching it. If i find it...I'll post it here mate.

Keep up the good work GS

Peace

Mike

 

[German Stallion]

Hey Mike, yes, it seems as if it is an iron cable that won't give. Let us know if you get the answer. We talk about the tunica, but his septum is the issue. If some of you don't know what that is, it can only be found when you are completely flaccid. NO BLOOD at all. Once you get some blood into the penis the tunica swells and then the septum it seems gets lost in the shuffle. But, when flaccid and stretching, you find that cord that is so very tough. I have seen my septum increase in size since doing Penis Enlargement. At first it seemed a narrow cord but now, I could pull a tank with it. All this said, you have to stetch the ligs and get them supple. I am past that issue. The ligs have given me some good base increase but to get this length, have to stretch the septum. Any answers out there????? GS

 

[DLD]

Hey GermanStallion, Thank you for our conversation the other day, you really came through for me It lead me to researching childhood and puberty on a new level. You are a true friend.

On the Septum:
The septum divides the scrotum into two cavities for the testicles, and extends between the raphe and the under tunica of the penis, traveling upward to the glans. It is very thick, similar to the tunica with less than 5% elasticity.

Can it be stretched? Yes. I guess the question of the day is how. As ironic as it might be, the thread I recently started on stretching after orgasm may be a huge influence on these less elastic tissues (tunica and septum) After orgasm the penis is in it's most relaxed state and I hypothesize it may be it's most vulnerable and receptive to stretching.

With the mention of complete fatigue another irony has happened today being the thread started on DLD Blasters. Blaster work on the premiss of pre-exaustion of the pelvic floor muscle but the key here is pre-exaustion. Being an extremely fatigues state, after the kegel potion of Blasters, the penis is very imperturbable. This relaxation is key to DLD Blasters. Taking this a step further and suggesting a new exercise would be combining post-ejaculation with DLD Blasters. Even with those that do Blasters with hanging, the same theory applies.

I think this question on the septum brings new opportunity to our stretching efforts. I am going to include this in my routine and see how effective it may be, I suggest the same for everyone else who desires more length.

Thanks GS for the thread. I hope my input helps.

 

[8InchMIKE]

Hey GS ma man...

Actualy the tunica albuginea and the septum are one and the same. The septum, which sometimes dudes start to go off in flames saying that it's in the nose ( and they are right up to a point cause the nose ALSO has a septum ). In fact a septum is any soft tissue structure forming a dividing wall or enclosure in many parts of the Human anatomy; Hence, the penile septum is the part of the tunica albuginea which encloses the corpora cavernosum ( the 2 cilinders that fill up with blood when you get an erection ) and divides them in 2 at the middle from the top of the shaft to the bottom.

This septum is composed of colagen fibers organized in many possible ways and sometimes this "organization" is skewd giving some ( many ) men the peyronie's desiese ( bent shaft ).

The reason i find for it to be so damn hard to stretch is, since it's composed of collagen, the very same "stuff" that make cartilage and tendons, is it's own material. Collagen is VERY VERY HARD STUFF.

I'll try and learn a bit more so we can exploit this matter further. ( This is all i can remember from the top of my head so... be patient guys, i'll get there ).

Peace

Mike

 

[Pandora]

Well this is the best thing i have come across for the septum with a hanger http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21406

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] is good too.

But that is intresting about combining post-ejaculation.

 

[goinfor11x7]

Maybe this explains why I don't seem to be making further permanent length gains in spite of an intensive stretching routine.

All those months of P.E. probably have created a powerfully strong septum in my case. It sure as hell feels like a steel cable running through my dick.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

I personally think, the only barrier we face in Penis Enlargement is one that we make up for ourselves. I've come to realize however I've treated Penis Enlargement, my gains reflected my mindset. If I've thought girth is tough to get while length is easyyy, i made almost 2 inches of length gains and little girth gains. If however, (as i have been the past 2 years) thought that length gains are hard to get and possibly limited due to some unknown factor while girth is easy to get, I gained nothing in length, and alot in girth.

my point is, its the power of your mind to create your reality. Sometimes I think we shouldnt make Penis Enlargement overly complicated. simply BELIEVING that doing something will give you length will definately give you length. I've definately seen this in both bodybuilding AND Penis Enlargement.

But, by all means, find a solution to this septum problem.

 

[German Stallion]

Maybe this explains why I don't seem to be making further permanent length gains in spite of an intensive stretching routine.

All those months of P.E. probably have created a powerfully strong septum in my case. It sure as hell feels like a steel cable running through my dick.

11x7...this is exactly the issue. I remember a few years ago that steel cable seemed to be "small." Now it feels like a half inch cable. I have been working it and making it flexable when hanging. I do think we all need to get ideas together to make that "septum" reach a fatigue state to be able to stretch it. If we get it to move, we will get length. I don't know if it is long time hanging, heavey weight hanging, or what that will make it budge. I doubt if it is heavy weight, but probably more long term and relaxing it.

DLD says that fatigue comes after ejaculation. I sure don't want to hang for hours after sex with the wife. Maybe after a masterbation session it would be weaker. Hopefully some others will join in on this subject and give us all help. GS

 

[goinfor11x7]

I would like to think that it is all a matter of attitude and mindset, V.K. And I do think that this is a big factor in P.E. But there are limits imposed upon us by our biological and genetic make-up. I grew up tall and thin with a big dick. This I received from my antecedents. What I do with this gift is up to me.

I have to say that we live in a physical universe and that we have to accept some physical realities, like the strength and lack of elasticity of the septum.

I do think, and I agree with you, that negative thinking will not help us grow in any way, either in length or girth of dick or any physical attribute.

I also know that I made my most remarkable gains in P.E. when I was focusing on something completely different--that is getting my solid woodies back. When I saw my dick getting longer, and thicker, I was flabbergasted!! I never expected this although I was jelqing and stretching like crazy at the time.

So now I'm rethinking this whole idea of goals in length and girth. Maybe this is not the way to approach P.E.

 

[goinfor11x7]

G.S. and DLD,



Thanks for the thread and the input. It's combining our thinking and individual experience on the subject that will move us in the right direction. I'll do my best to contribute to this.

 

[goinfor11x7]

I know one beautiful gift I've received from P.E., and that is the knowledge that as you grow older, you don't have to watch your dick shrink along with your libido. A lot of older men have accepted this bullshit. And this mindset leads to just that: a shrinking dick and no urge to have sex.

Long live P.E.!!! Whoohoooo!!!

 

[German Stallion]

I know one beautiful gift I've received from P.E., and that is the knowledge that as you grow older, you don't have to watch your dick shrink along with your libido. A lot of older men have accepted this bullshit. And this mindset leads to just that: a shrinking dick and no urge to have sex.

Long live P.E.!!! Whoohoooo!!!

You are absolutely right, 11x7. Penis Enlargement has put life back into many an older mans schlong. I am glad to say that sex gets better as you get older! My libido is as great as it ever was and my schlong is in as good a shape as it ever was.
Now, if I can just stretch that septum and get some more length. :dance: GS

 

[goinfor11x7]

For for it, pal!! I'll do the same!!!

 

[DLD]

DLD says that fatigue comes after ejaculation. I sure don't want to hang for hours after sex with the wife. Maybe after a masterbation session it would be weaker. Hopefully some others will join in on this subject and give us all help. GS

Since I don't have sex anymore:s the only way I feel the fatigue is after masturbation.

 

[goinfor11x7]

Since I don't have sex anymore:s the only way I feel the fatigue is after masturbation.

A blessing in disguise??

 

[makemineadong]

Hey Guys,

I realise I'm pretty new to the whole Penis Enlargement thing but I'm REALLY glad I stumbled across this thread. I have another thread somewhere around here where I asked a few anatomy questions: one of them was related to the septum (as I have just learned about from this thread!) For me its been plain to see that the tough septum is probably the single biggest limiting factor to making massive length gains.

I've made gains from the Beginner's Routine and will continue with it, but I'll be experimenting and I'll definitely keep an eye out on this thread for any suggestions for better targetting the septum.

Thanks to all for bringing the Septum issue to light!

 

[ocd]

Straight from the horse's mouth so to speak...this is taken from DLD's blog with link provided.

http://www.mattersofsize.com/2006/03/penis-enalagement-long-and-short-of-it.html

"The V-stretch

This is one of my favorite tunica stretches. It especially targets the septum, which is very hard to stretch. Without stretching the septum it will be very hard to make any tunica gains.

To do this stretch, you pull straight up with one hand, just like a normal tunica stretch. With the other, press down in the middle of your penis to make a V shape with your penis. You should feel a much better stretch than with a normal straight up stretch. Move your fulcrum hand to several different points on your penis to get the best stretch."

Since we're talking about the V-stretch now there was a thread called the water bottle stretch. I called it the weighted V-stretch cause that's what it is. I did it for about a month and the limiting factor is the padded handle that goes across your cock.

I was in the store the other day with my wife in the purse section and it hit me like a ton o bricks. Instead of a gallon jug or a bucket (which is what I was using witha sock wrapped around the handle) I saw a handbag. The two handles, or carrying straps, were absolutely perfect because they won't dig into your cock where the weight forces the V. Instead, they disburse the weight more evenly, and flatter, at the point where you want the weight pinpointed thereby allowing you to either hang the weight for longer periods of time OR hang much heavier weight.

If the secret to stretching the septum is the V-stretch then the weighted V-stretch will cause results to happen much quicker due to the efficiency and intensity.

 

[goinfor11x7]

Thanks much, OCD. It's becoming clearer to me what I have to do to create a weighted fulcrum with this upward stretch. This is all new to me.

 

[German Stallion]

Well, I am back and still think that the septum is the one single contributing factor in gaining length. When I started Penis Enlargement, I remember that my septum was much thinner and now it is stronger and thicker. What can we do guys, to get this septum to "give." Sure need your input if you have some ideas. GS

 

[Pandora]

Well, I am back and still think that the septum is the one single contributing factor in gaining length. When I started Penis Enlargement, I remember that my septum was much thinner and now it is stronger and thicker. What can we do guys, to get this septum to "give." Sure need your input if you have some ideas. GS

You even try this yet Stallion http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21406

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Well, I am back and still think that the septum is the one single contributing factor in gaining length. When I started Penis Enlargement, I remember that my septum was much thinner and now it is stronger and thicker. What can we do guys, to get this septum to "give." Sure need your input if you have some ideas. GS

decondition it

 

[dex]

I have problems to find my septum. Is it on the underside of the penis?

 

[German Stallion]

decondition it

Okay, I am game? What do you suggest? I been at this daily for over 6 years and no luck yet. That does not mean I have not gained, in fact, I have but the septum is what is keeping most of us from getting length. it is just hard to stretch the septum. What do you want me to do to get my septum to be "deconditonded?"

 

[Nuggie]

I have a question can someone post on how a V stretch should look like?

 

[makemineadong]

Well, I am back and still think that the septum is the one single contributing factor in gaining length. When I started Penis Enlargement, I remember that my septum was much thinner and now it is stronger and thicker. What can we do guys, to get this septum to "give." Sure need your input if you have some ideas. GS

Hey there G.S.,

I realise I may be a relative newbie with this but I was experimenting the other night with the idea of septum stretching and came up with something (if this has been covered before by someone else, please disregard it). Here goes............
Rather than stretching the septum by pulling it, I was thinking of manipulating it with cranks along the entire length of the penis. I'll explain how I did this in a few (hopefully) simple steps:

1) With the penis totally flaccid, grip it with both hands, both forming an OK-grip. The thumb-sides of both OK-grips must be kept pressed against each other. The idea is to get a very tight grip with both hands so that the emphasis is placed on gripping right down to the septum itself.
2) With the fingers in the OK-grip position, crank both hands in opposite directions making small, but tightly-held circles with the hands. Try to visualise the crank motion working the deeper-lying structure of the septum rather than on any outer layers of the penis (e.g. the tunica or skin). I'd recommend doing this for maybe 50 cranks in each direction.
3) Once you have completed the cranks at one point of the penis, move your hands further along the penis and repeat the double-handed cranking motion at a new point. The idea is to work along the whole penis in increments (or maybe just intensely work 1 portion of it at a time).

I have to be honest here: I'm still sticking to the basic stretching routine and I only stumbled across this method by accident. I'm hoping there are a few battle-hardened veterans out there who are willing to try this out for a sustained period of time to see what the results may be and I might be able to add it to my programme at a later date. Hopefully it will help to make the septum more pliable thereby allowing greater length gains.

If anyone tries this out, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could keep us all informed of your progress on this thread.

Good Luck and Happy Cranking!

 

[spinner2]

Good post makeadingdong. It's the same basic principle as bundled stretches, which are great at hitting the septum.

We need to focus on scientifically breaking down the septum, though. We CAN put enough force behind a stretch to cause tunica gains, but it's not very efficient. Why do in 2 years what we can do in 6 months? What is the septum exactly? From my understanding it's just collagen cross linkage between areas of the tunica. We need to look into collagen cross linkage, and good ways to break it down. Specifically, breaking down this cross linkage should be a similar process to treating peyronie's if my memory is correct, so we should focus on drugs like porcine relaxin, POTABA, and whatever else is now out.

 

[DLD]

Some great ideas here! Keep brainstorming!

 

[spinner2]

If I get rich I'm turning my body into an [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] research lab rofl

 

[German Stallion]

Hey there G.S.,

I realise I may be a relative newbie with this but I was experimenting the other night with the idea of septum stretching and came up with something (if this has been covered before by someone else, please disregard it). Here goes............
Rather than stretching the septum by pulling it, I was thinking of manipulating it with cranks along the entire length of the penis. I'll explain how I did this in a few (hopefully) simple steps:

1) With the penis totally flaccid, grip it with both hands, both forming an OK-grip. The thumb-sides of both OK-grips must be kept pressed against each other. The idea is to get a very tight grip with both hands so that the emphasis is placed on gripping right down to the septum itself.
2) With the fingers in the OK-grip position, crank both hands in opposite directions making small, but tightly-held circles with the hands. Try to visualise the crank motion working the deeper-lying structure of the septum rather than on any outer layers of the penis (e.g. the tunica or skin). I'd recommend doing this for maybe 50 cranks in each direction.
3) Once you have completed the cranks at one point of the penis, move your hands further along the penis and repeat the double-handed cranking motion at a new point. The idea is to work along the whole penis in increments (or maybe just intensely work 1 portion of it at a time).

I have to be honest here: I'm still sticking to the basic stretching routine and I only stumbled across this method by accident. I'm hoping there are a few battle-hardened veterans out there who are willing to try this out for a sustained period of time to see what the results may be and I might be able to add it to my programme at a later date. Hopefully it will help to make the septum more pliable thereby allowing greater length gains.

If anyone tries this out, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could keep us all informed of your progress on this thread.

Good Luck and Happy Cranking!

Hi..Been doing this for years. Your description was very good, btw. Yes, I am sure this is a good break up for the tunica, but don't think it even touches the septum. The Septum is a tough cord like section in the very center or near center of the penis that when you pull flaccid, you can feel deep in the penis. It is often like a "wire" that stops all stretching. I have never felt like it gave at all. It might and must because I have had gains. But and I say to all of us, this is what is holding back the gains.

As far as using the peyronies exercises for breaking it down...or using peyronies meds...not a go. The septum is not affected by peyronies. The tunica and cC are, but not the septum. The septum is too tough and too internal to have a "break". The meds for peyronies don't work anyway as peyronies victums will tell you.

I am not negative on this, but sure have worked hard to win this battle. It might very well be that the only thing is long time and heavy hanging that will make the septum "give." GS

 

[German Stallion]

VK, I am still waiting to hear from you about what you think I should do to "decondition." GS

 

[spinner2]

I have a lot of belief that chemical Penis Enlargement can cure this problem. I'm going to do everything in my power to figure this out.

 

[upp2eightand6]

To decondition is to take a extended break. I reccomend two months since this has worked for myself and quite a few others. Oh, and by the way, this means NO Penis Enlargement what so ever for the entire two month period..

 

[German Stallion]

I have a lot of belief that chemical Penis Enlargement can cure this problem. I'm going to do everything in my power to figure this out.

Spinner, you might be right. I do know that none of those drugs, Pabota, Vermalian (spelling is wrong) but it doesn't work either. Many Peyronies victums have tried the injections to get ride of the plaque that has remained with little success. There might be something to help and if you find it....BINGO, we will all be really glad! Keep us informed. GS

 

[German Stallion]

To decondition is to take a extended break. I reccomend two months since this has worked for myself and quite a few others. Oh, and by the way, this means NO Penis Enlargement what so ever for the entire two month period..

I can't even pee with out doing Penis Enlargement. What you trying to do, kill us! Are you serious, nothing for two months? What does that do? Let you sneak up on it after two months and really pull it hard and hope it gives to your stretching??? GS

 

[upp2eightand6]

Well, kind of... The idea is that you will break down connective tissue that has acumulated from all your pulling and that this will allow for new gains again.

Mind you, this is still a fairly untested theme but I am working on it.. I helped quik4life get his very first gains by letting him rest for two months, then designing a VERY light hanging routine for him. Before this he had done Penis Enlargement for about two years without gains. Go figure...

Anyway, let me know if you will give it a go! You can find alot to read about this over at Thund3rs Pl@ce. Search for posts by shiver, xenos log, my log (my nick is babbis over there), quik4lifes log, the word "deconditioning" etc...

Good luck!

 

[freakazoid]

How about DLD's new sock stretches for hitting the septum. It's the only stretch I can actually feel these days & it packs some punch ... just a brainfart rofl

 

[bulc9]

How did u do it then DLD, you went from 6" to 10.5"? there massive gains.

So for people looking for length mainly now, from what i have read on this thread we need to -

> Cum first then stretch after
> do DLD Blasters, A stretch, V stretch?

What about bundled tunica stretches! Confusing me all this, coz new theories come out, but i think this one maybe right as i havent got to 8" STILL!!!!

For people looking for length, what would be the perfect stretching routine for us!

On a note, i did do a hanging session after an orgasm, and i can tell you it was intense, the fatigue was painfull, and i felt worn out after. i duno if that has anything to do with it!

So DLD stretch after a orgasm? and what stretches are best mate??

 

[millionman]

BULC, I don't think DLD went from 6-12". I think his max erection is around 10.5", but I digress.

Deconditioning in my opinion is necessary for those of us who have Penis Enlargemented for more than a year consistenly and with intensity. The reason I include intensity is because after a period of time the tissue HAS to harden because of the amount of stress it receives in most cases on a daily basis. I don't think 2 months is necessary, but I think most guys will know when to resume a routine and when they need more time. I usually look for a tightness in my ligs and tunica for my stretches, and then I look at erection quality and if I have any spots after a girth session. That's pretty simle to follow.

I don't know about stretching the septum, as I think you can target it pretty well by using upper angle stretches that work the tunica.

 

[koooky]

Been keeping up with this thread---way to go guys.

I've been thinking about this a bit and here's my 2 cents--

I think cumming first and then hammering away with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words]--my workout specifically would help with the septum.

I want to add that I have no proof of this at all--I never really thought about the septum to be honest--But I do notice an intense "inner" stretch from my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] workouts--it def. feels like the septum is being stretched out during a focused, intensed [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] workout.


kook

 

[Girthius]

Anyone ever tried collagenase ointment/or injections...........supposed to breakdown the tissue and any buildup of plaque.Perhaps this would also weaken it as well?

 

[spinner2]

I wanna give all this stuff a shot. I'm getting back on PABA soon.

 

[bulc9]

I wanna give all this stuff a shot. I'm getting back on PABA soon.

I got some PABA, for my tight foreskin but didnt really see any major results. I got PARA AMINO BENZOIC ACID, what effect does it have regards to this topic on the septum and tuncia etc?

Anyone suggest a length workout or certain exercises to do to get good gains again?

Someone said a 2 month break on another thread!?!!?!!?!? is this necessary to gain again!..DLD did you or any other vets do this?

 

[makemineadong]

One BIG concern I have about some of the previous suggestions on this thread: it seems that most of the chemical methods are aimed at weakening the structure of the collagen component of the septum. However, collagen also makes up the ground structure of many other parts of the body (skin, joint ligament connective tissue, parts of the eye, etc.) Surely any method aiming to weaken the collagen in the septum would also have a similar effect upon the collagen present all over the body. Isn't that just a little bit dangerous? (Unless I'm missing something about the administration of the chemical methods, e.g. directly into the septum which thereby doesn't have a more systemic effect).
Any little pointers here on the chemical side of things would be greatly appreciated!

 

[German Stallion]

I don't see the chemical injections of Paba and other peyronies stuff going to help the septum. The septum is inner, way inner and very, very tough. In reading some of these posts, I am not sure some of you know where and what the septum is? It is obvious that the tunica is able to be stretches for both girth and length. It will give and does give, but back to baisics and the real, real issue...that septum is the guitar string that when flacid you feel when you do a strong pull. You can do all the fulcrum work you want and I don't see the septum stretching. It maybe be that the only thing that will make it give is long term hanging at a high weight. Then, I think it would just be micro giving. It might be that great gains come early when the septum is still somewhat "giveable" and later it just puts the brake on! I don't know, but I guarantee you can't touch it with topical or injections. GS

 

[millionman]

GS, I'm honestly not sure that stretching the septum would solve the problem. Even though it is deep it still receives tension while being stretched, otherwise the stretches we do would cause some sort of tear in the septum. It has to give some, but regardless tunica stretching and lig stretching are where growth occurs and the septum grows with it. That is unless I'm missing something?

 

[German Stallion]

GS, I'm honestly not sure that stretching the septum would solve the problem. Even though it is deep it still receives tension while being stretched, otherwise the stretches we do would cause some sort of tear in the septum. It has to give some, but regardless tunica stretching and lig stretching are where growth occurs and the septum grows with it. That is unless I'm missing something?

Millionman, you are certainly right, my real issue is that I can't and most can't get much length (or at least it takes a long time and hours of work) and the reason is the septum is the really hard thing/tissue to get to give. The reason we get girth is the tunica does give. If we got more of the septum to give then we would have more length. It is just the nature of the "beast" that the septum is so horrid tough.

When we develop a "septum" exercise that makes it give, this will be the great breakthrough on the length issue. GS

 

[8InchMIKE]

Millionman, you are certainly right, my real issue is that I can't and most can't get much length (or at least it takes a long time and hours of work) and the reason is the septum is the really hard thing/tissue to get to give. The reason we get girth is the tunica does give. If we got more of the septum to give then we would have more length. It is just the nature of the "beast" that the septum is so horrid tough.

When we develop a "septum" exercise that makes it give, this will be the great breakthrough on the length issue. GS

I am certainly not an authority on Penis Enlargement but from all i've researched. anatomy wise, you are correct about the above statement but have to pitch in here cause from what i'm aware V-stretches [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ans[/words] C-stretches as well as A-stretches target exactly the septum.

If you "feel" where the tension is at then you'll get to the same conclusions. Also i feel that as much as i like bundled stretches i think the septum only gets twisted and not stretched unless you do A-C-V-stretches while bundled.
Then it certainly works for septum stretching.

I will try and make some discoveries about this issue cause it is also making my lenght impossible to achieve.

Any chemicals that you all came come up with i'll just say NO cause they WILL effect the whole body and not only the septum tissue.

Peace

Mike

 

[Girthius]

How does anyone know what the effects of different drugs/chemicals will have on the penis?Yes.......some of the drugs listed on this thread are for men who suffer from peyronies.............but even though such drugs are meant to treat such things, I'm sure that these men who have/and are using such protocol, did not engage in a hardcore Penis Enlargement program!!My question is............. what effects would such drugs have on one's penis, if they were involved in a stringent Penis Enlargement program?And before I am told to try them myself......I probably will...as I am very much into experimentation......instead of being closed minded!

 

[millionman]

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