Hey man, no need for all that, I take it in stride. I mouth off plenty as well. I appreciate the setniment but no offense was really taken. I'm pretty much steering clear of this forum now as almost every single possible issue has been covered and I've basically said everything I wanted to say. Plus, ludite at that I am, I'm just now realizing you can look at how many people see the threads. My primary reason for posting a lot of the time was because I thought a lot of the stuff in the forum could have the effect of making men, or especially kids worried or freaked out about their bodies. However, I see now that only a few hundred people, if that many, tend to ever get around to even seeing the threads, and only a handful of those really probably read them, so really it doesn't concern me so much anymore.