Permanent gains?

[Vet]

Hi all, just to give some figures about penis pumping and permanent gains. It is true that the size one has in the tube is not the same than when you come out, and in several hours you "lose" most of the expansion, but there are small, cumulative gains that cement by themselves over time. I started at 132 mm (5.25) in girth, and after some time of consistent pumping i reached way more than 7 inch girth, but I only claim 7 because I found myself having to give proof of it at any moment, and it bothers me. From then on, pumping was only for keeping the gains. There were many times I stopped pumping, and started again when noticed some loss, ussually within 3 months or so. In the last break, were I was pondering to stop pumping at all, in the 3rd month I measured 6.5 and from then on it was my permanent, unpumped size. I stopped 8 months total, and there is a reason I went back to pump. A month ago, my (most) Significant One confronted me and asked if there was someone else. As she said, she noticed I was not "so aroused" as I used to be!!! She never knew about the pumping, and attributed my "shrinking" to lack of arousal!!! Back to the figures, I see a permanent gain of at least one inch.

So, THERE ARE permanent gains in pumping.

Besides of that, if you start pumping again, you re-gain your maximum size quickly. In my case, from the 7th pumping session (at the 3rd week) I started to pack the 2.5 tube in the lower third part, in 10 minutes of WET pumping. that means almost 8 in girth IN THE TUBE.

In short, there are permanent gains, amd the eventual loses due to an extended period without pumping comes back fast if you start again.
Last, but not least, SIZE DO MATTER to women, and NOBODY, no matter how much "evidence" they provide, will convince me on the contrary. Period.

 

[DLD]

I think the biggest problem with pumping is the big gains you get instantly, some men see this as a gain when it is only a step up to the gain. It takes consistently reaching the temporary state to make it permanent. It is similar to working out in the gym where after a bicep workout you will have a pumped size bigger than when you started the workout. In the same way the penis pumps up to a size bigger than normal. It takes consistency and dedication to reaching these temporary gains to get to the permanent gains.

I am happy you have posted this as proof to what I am saying and I am even happier you have made such awesome gains. Thanks for you tome and wisdom!

 

[kingsnake]

Hey Vet and DLD. Good post yall. Yeah pumping gets a bad rap amongst most PEers but like you guys said. With enough time and dedication permanent gains can be made. Before I started PE I was bpel 8.5 inches. After only 2 months of pumping for 2 fifteen minutes sets done every other day, I made my first quarter inch in length newbie gain which had brought me to bpel 8.75 inches back then. I’ve also seen a good amount of permanent base girth increase from pumping.

In my opinion I think for huge permanent gains to made with pumping, one has to put a lot of hours in a week just like with using an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for length gains through [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words]. I like to think of pumping as a form of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] where you are staying erect or engorged for a lengthy amount of time and it’s this form of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] and controlled stress on the cells that causes cellular mitosis and proliferation which as a result will over time cause ones erection to permanently increase in size do to actual tissue growth from pumping.

Edema fluid build up does happen which can give a false sense of enlargement but one just needs to look past this and realize that the tunica and ligs are still getting a good workout underneath the fluid build up and overtime the tunica and ligs will experience growth.

Just like when I did chemical PE a while back and was shooting for 2 to 4 hour pge1 erections, I look at pumping the same way. I strongly believe that keeping a 60% or above erection for hours at a time causes enough internal pressure and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] to the spongy tissues and the tunica to induce growth. It just takes months for some guys even years to accomplish this. So with pumping for hours at a time with breaks of course. This is simulating the same concept of staying engorged for hours at a time as long as the vacuum pressure being used is with in safe parameters for that individual.

 

[youngstallion]

Hey Vet, those are some crazy gains bro. Congrats on that. What type of routine did you use for girth?

 

[Vet]

I think the biggest problem with pumping is the big gains you get instantly, some men see this as a gain when it is only a step up to the gain. It takes consistently reaching the temporary state to make it permanent. It is similar to working out in the gym where after a bicep workout you will have a pumped size bigger than when you started the workout. In the same way the penis pumps up to a size bigger than normal. It takes consistency and dedication to reaching these temporary gains to get to the permanent gains.

I am happy you have posted this as proof to what I am saying and I am even happier you have made such awesome gains. Thanks for you tome and wisdom!

DLD, you are most welcome. Thanks you for your commitment to this great Forum.

 

[Vet]

Hey Vet, those are some crazy gains bro. Congrats on that. What type of routine did you use for girth?

youngstallion, I see myself as a "minimalist pumper". I just... pump. Just being sure of warm up, a few stretches, and then 20 minutes of wet pumping 3 times a week for now.
Back when I was a newbie, I used to pump too much, and noticed that my penis were "scared" of that. In time I reach the conclussion that if I did too much to it, I would end up with a thougher penis but not neccessarily a biger one.
But perhaps it's just me....

 

[Vet]

@King, indeed my concept is the same, once you pack the tube pumping is exactly the same as [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words].

 

[DLD]

@King, indeed my concept is the same, once you pack the tube pumping is exactly the same as [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words].

So it would be a smart idea for men to hold on to their smaller pumps for length work and use their bigger pump for girth.

 

[youngstallion]

Vet, DLD, and Kingsnake, how long did it take for you guys to begin packing your first tube. I been pumping for a month and I don't get much expansion at all. KS, recommended I use DMSO and PABA to soften my tunica, do you guys have any other tips?

 

[Jdcsd]

Vet, DLD, and Kingsnake, how long did it take for you guys to begin packing your first tube. I been pumping for a month and I don't get much expansion at all. KS, recommended I use DMSO and PABA to soften my tunica, do you guys have any other tips?

Where do you get DMSO and PABA?

 

[Vet]

Vet, DLD, and Kingsnake, how long did it take for you guys to begin packing your first tube. I been pumping for a month and I don't get much expansion at all. KS, recommended I use DMSO and PABA to soften my tunica, do you guys have any other tips?

Of course it is up to the size of your tube, the lenght of the session, and how often you pump. you should have a tube 0.25 inches more in diameter than you.

But the fact that you don't see it does not mean there are not expansion. By the way, it was a "problem" I had, to meassure progress. Try pumping with water, with the level just up to the penis head, and once you reach the maximum vacuum notice the water level in your cylinder. Stay there for, let's say five minutes and check if the water level has risen. I bet it will. that rise in level means your penis has expanded, displacing the water up.

 

[DLD]

Vet, DLD, and Kingsnake, how long did it take for you guys to begin packing your first tube. I been pumping for a month and I don't get much expansion at all. KS, recommended I use DMSO and PABA to soften my tunica, do you guys have any other tips?

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[youngstallion]

JDCSD You can get DMSO from supplement warehouse. Com. I believe you can get PABA there also. Hey VET I got a vacutech flared cylinder and they have a chart to determine the size pump you should use. My mseg is 5.5 so it recommend a cylinder with 2 inch diameter. I think I would have to expand to 6.25 to 6.5 to pack it.

 

[Jdcsd]

JDCSD You can get DMSO from supplement warehouse. Com. I believe you can get PABA there also. Hey VET I got a vacutech flared cylinder and they have a chart to determine the size pump you should use. My mseg is 5.5 so it recommend a cylinder with 2 inch diameter. I think I would have to expand to 6.25 to 6.5 to pack it.

Great thanks. I really wanna get one of these pumps, they sound good

 

[Vet]

youngstallion, those are the numbers. 2 inches tube has a circumference of 6.38 inches.

 

[sasquatch]

Vet, if your girth gains are solid and not the edema/fluid swelling gains...then you are likely the greatest girth gainer in PE history. I can not think of anyone in the history of internet PE forums other than the infamous ULI who has made girth gain claims like you.

From memory, ULI claimed to have massive starting girth (close to 7" before ever doing any PE) and with just some minimalist jelqing and squeezing of his penis claimed to have reached a circumference of 9 1/8 inches in a relatively short period of time as well.

With ULI's legacy and the exercise named after his username from TP's many many years ago, there have been countless men squeezing their penises hoping for some kind of gains...I'd guess over 90% of hopefuls will never gain more the 1/4 inch.

Same applies for pumping. One in a million will make any measurable gain after all the effort and time spent in a pump.

So with out any bullshit, whats the secret....spit it out man. 2 inches + of girth gains by some casual pumping is...I don't even have words

 

[samuriajack]

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/.../13527-pumping-results.html?highlight=pumping check this out , itll blow your mind

 

[DLD]

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/.../13527-pumping-results.html?highlight=pumping check this out , itll blow your mind

Great old thread and extremely inspiring!

 

[Vet]

Vet, if your girth gains are solid and not the edema/fluid swelling gains...then you are likely the greatest girth gainer in PE history. I can not think of anyone in the history of internet PE forums other than the infamous ULI who has made girth gain claims like you.

From memory, ULI claimed to have massive starting girth (close to 7" before ever doing any PE) and with just some minimalist jelqing and squeezing of his penis claimed to have reached a circumference of 9 1/8 inches in a relatively short period of time as well.

With ULI's legacy and the exercise named after his username from TP's many many years ago, there have been countless men squeezing their penises hoping for some kind of gains...I'd guess over 90% of hopefuls will never gain more the 1/4 inch.

Same applies for pumping. One in a million will make any measurable gain after all the effort and time spent in a pump.

So with out any bullshit, whats the secret....spit it out man. 2 inches + of girth gains by some casual pumping is...I don't even have words

Brother, I do not have words either ! For a person like me who have been feeling inadequate (being small I mean) all my life, your comments are a great ego-boost !
I posted a pic here, where I thought there is not any doubt about it. First, I'm uncut, and in the foreskin I wrote "DLD" for authenticity, there is not fluid retention because the foreskin "copies" exactly the glans, if I retract the foreskin, the girth goes far beyond 7. I was thinking in actually pinch the skin to show it, but I had one hand busy with the cell phone and the another holding the tape, there was not a 3rd one (sadly) available at that moment. By the way, I was semi-soft, and I measured below the glans, that is not the widest point. It was taken some 14 hours after the pumping, there is not any swelling or fluid retention.
Since I signed up in this forum, I am happily surprised to know to what extent my girth is unusual. First DLD posted I'm off the charts, then I found a video of Ramon the adult entertainment actor being measured (9x6.5) but it looked way thicker than that (and than me), perhaps because the girl had very small hands, and now you making this comments. I wish I had this knowledge in my twenties, or at least in my mid forties when I started PE.
You would be surprised if you knew how simple is my pumping gear, there is not any secret. My penis likes to expand girth-wise and that's all. If you want some advise, do wet pumping, go SOFT into the tube, make a LONG warm up in the bathtub. I was near to post my last measurement in volume, that is: going soft, I start with maximum vacuum, and take note of the water level in the cylinder. 15 minutes later, keeping the degree of vacuum just below pain, the water level rises 4.5 cubic inches, that is the volume the penis has expanded, of course. That means some 25% of expansion in volume in the thube. I NEVER DO ANYTHING ELSE FOR PE, because it seems I lose gains. I'm a grower, my penis looks and feels REALLY empty when flaccid.
Last, as I posted before, I hold a very definite state of mind, mood, when pumping. No adult entertainment, no arousal, but I FEEL my penis expanding. It may seem BS, but that's the way it is.
I hope with this last statement I'm not opening another can of worms... ))

 

[DLD]

I hold a very definite state of mind, mood, when pumping. No adult entertainment, no arousal, but I FEEL my penis expanding. It may seem BS, but that's the way it is.
I hope with this last statement I'm not opening another can of worms... ))

I have never been able to accomplish this, without sexy pictures or video I am a seven inch floppy ass cock

 

[rlue11]

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[jordey]

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...consistent? ?

 

[rlue11]

Yeah you have to be on your game I have gain more from girth , and a 1/2 inch of lenght.

9inches with fat pad and 6 1/2 girth

 

[ThickForSure]

I think there are massive variances in the amount of PE work we all do and the intensity differences we all do it at. I go completely obsessed with PE work at times for months at a time then take a week or so break then go back at it very intense and dedicated. I spend 80% of my PE time pumping and clamping with 20% time spent in a stretcher or hanging and I have had excellent perm gains in girth, erect and flaccid lengths. I don't doubt anyone's claims of large perm girth gains from pumping cause I have proven this too. I have taken breaks from PE with barely any loss in size. Comments from my wife are a pretty common thing now whenever we have sex (which isn't as often as I would like lol!). last time we had sex (right after a pumping clamping session) she was putting my cock in her pussy and couldn't come close to getting her hand around it. She said "how is this even possible!" 😃😃 it took her awhile to work it all the way in and she was super stretched. I don't know what my post pumping/clamping girth is but it's gotta be up around 6.75 if my non pumped girth is 6.
With any PE work there has to be consistent and intense excercise done in order to get the permanent gains.
I think a lot of guys only use pumping to get that temp increase in girth. But in reality if they stick to it religiously they can see perm gains in both girth and length.
I have an [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x30[/words] extreme and my penis base pumped is crammed in it which leaves several rings on my penis for the bottom few inches of my penis. The more I pump the more I can see and measure my girth getting bigger up my shaft due to the base filling up the pump so well. Length increase is also being noticed more now due to this too.
Which reminds me I have a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] extreme pumping tip I should post to explain how to get even more vac pressure from their pumps. No it isn't a wine vac mod lol it has to do with the extreme pump. I'll post the tip in that section of the forum later tonight! Happy pumping!

**edited for grammar

 

[DLD]

last time we had sex (right after a pumping clamping session) she was putting my cock in her pussy and couldn't come close to getting her hand around it. She said "how is this even possible!" 😃😃

That must have been a massive ego boost!

 

[Barnstool123]

I think there are massive variances in the amount of PE work we all do and the intensity differences we all do it at. I go completely obsessed with PE work at times for months at a time then take a week or so break then go back at it very intense and dedicated. I spend 80% of my PE time pumping and clamping with 20% time spent in a stretcher or hanging and I have had excellent perm gains in girth, erect and flaccid lengths. I don't doubt anyone's claims of large perm girth gains from pumping cause I have proven this too. I have taken breaks from PE with barely any loss in size. Comments from my wife are a pretty common thing now whenever we have sex (which isn't as often as I would like lol!). last time we had sex (right after a pumping clamping session) she was putting my cock in her pussy and couldn't come close to getting her hand around it. She said "how is this even possible!" 😃😃 it took her awhile to work it all the way in and she was super stretched. I don't know what my post pumping/clamping girth is but it's gotta be up around 6.75 if my non pumped girth is 6.
With any PE work there has to be consistent and intense excercise done in order to get the permanent gains.
I think a lot of guys only use pumping to get that temp increase in girth. But in reality if they stick to it religiously they can see perm gains in both girth and length.
I have an [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x30[/words] extreme and my penis base pumped is crammed in it which leaves several rings on my penis for the bottom few inches of my penis. The more I pump the more I can see and measure my girth getting bigger up my shaft due to the base filling up the pump so well. Length increase is also being noticed more now due to this too.
Which reminds me I have a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] extreme pumping tip I should post to explain how to get even more vac pressure from their pumps. No it isn't a wine vac mod lol it has to do with the extreme pump. I'll post the tip in that section of the forum later tonight! Happy pumping!

**edited for grammar

How much does she like that much girth? I really want a chicks hand to not fit around my cock too

So you said 80% pumping and clamping and 20% in a stretcher or hanging. So if you did 10 hours of PE over a few days you would have 8 hours of pumping and clamping and only 2 hours of stretching length work? Do you have a lot discoloration?

 

[ThickForSure]

Hey DLD ya man it was an awesome ego boost!! Her comments make it all worth while.

@Barnstool123 She really loves the large girth. I should be concentrating more on length but I find it so much easier and relaxing to do pumping and clamping. And I can't use my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Sizegenetics[/words] the same day I've pumped because the expansion is too much at the base to put it on. I have an LG Hanger but honestly I find it a chore to put it on and spend time just sitting in a chair hanging now. When I first got it I spent a fair bit of time with it but I'm using it less and less now. I have a bad back so soaking in a tub after work is both good for my back and gives me lots of time for pumping. Then I clamp before I go to bed. I do a lot of jelquing and edging too.
I always had a bit bigger than average girth around 5.5 or so but even at that size my wife and I would usually orgasm around the same time or I would wait to make sure she orgasmed before I did. But now I am a cemented 6" base and pumped I am more than that and she always comes first now. Pretty much way before me. She usually orgasms then I kind of back off a bit of the harder thrusting and she waits for me to orgasm. So the larger girth definitely is having a positive impact on our sex.
I'm around 7" after pumping in BP length but prop only 6.5 or so non pumped length. I really don't measure too often so I mostly go by the measurement on my tube for length. Once every two months or so I will do some measuring to get a better idea of my gains.
Yes I have quite a bit of darkening of my penis. My nationality is South American so my skin is normally a more darker tan color but from all the pumping and clamping my penis is getting darker. I have recently been looking into trying to reduce that some how.

 

[orgasmic19]

Hey Vet and DLD. Good post yall. Yeah pumping gets a bad rap amongst most PEers but like you guys said. With enough time and dedication permanent gains can be made. Before I started PE I was bpel 8.5 inches. After only 2 months of pumping for 2 fifteen minutes sets done every other day, I made my first quarter inch in length newbie gain which had brought me to bpel 8.75 inches back then. I’ve also seen a good amount of permanent base girth increase from pumping.

In my opinion I think for huge permanent gains to made with pumping, one has to put a lot of hours in a week just like with using an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for length gains through [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words]. I like to think of pumping as a form of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] where you are staying erect or engorged for a lengthy amount of time and it’s this form of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] and controlled stress on the cells that causes cellular mitosis and proliferation which as a result will over time cause ones erection to permanently increase in size do to actual tissue growth from pumping.

Edema fluid build up does happen which can give a false sense of enlargement but one just needs to look past this and realize that the tunica and ligs are still getting a good workout underneath the fluid build up and overtime the tunica and ligs will experience growth.

Just like when I did chemical PE a while back and was shooting for 2 to 4 hour pge1 erections, I look at pumping the same way. I strongly believe that keeping a 60% or above erection for hours at a time causes enough internal pressure and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] to the spongy tissues and the tunica to induce growth. It just takes months for some guys even years to accomplish this. So with pumping for hours at a time with breaks of course. This is simulating the same concept of staying engorged for hours at a time as long as the vacuum pressure being used is with in safe parameters for that individual.

Cool!

 

[garebear]

So it would be a smart idea for men to hold on to their smaller pumps for length work and use their bigger pump for girth.

Hey Mike. I am not able to use a lm. And I can't stay in a sg or phallosan. My question is, do you think much length can be gained from a narrow tube? I have a mity and a tube that I'm too big for. But I can use coconut oil to slide in. Do you think much can be gained length wise? I'm using it for 2 sets at 30 mins. Any critiques?

 

[DLD]

Hey Mike. I am not able to use a lm. And I can't stay in a sg or phallosan. My question is, do you think much length can be gained from a narrow tube? I have a mity and a tube that I'm too big for. But I can use coconut oil to slide in. Do you think much can be gained length wise? I'm using it for 2 sets at 30 mins. Any critiques?

That will happen with a small enough tube. It will bring growth but also do some of the basic bundled stretches to grow faster

 

[garebear]

That will happen with a small enough tube. It will bring growth but also do some of the basic bundled stretches to grow faster

Do you think the time is good? Also, I pack the tube tight. I read here before, somebody said internal pressure would help growth. Do you think this is right? Also, should I stay pumping the smaller tube or alternate tube for expansion? And do you think this internal pressure could help even out the structure of the penis? Like if there's a part that seems less developed.

 

[DLD]

A thinner tube will bring length while a wider tube will bring girth

 

[garebear]

A thinner tube will bring length while a wider tube will bring girth

Do you think I should focus on pumping for length? Or alternate? Pump for length today, tomorrow pump for girth? What would be your recommendation be? Love the mityvac though. I still have the bm. But I only keep it as an option to use in the shower if I need it.

 

[49-er]

Do you think I should focus on pumping for length? Or alternate? Pump for length today, tomorrow pump for girth? What would be your recommendation be? Love the mityvac though. I still have the bm. But I only keep it as an option to use in the shower if I need it.

I do both,length first then girth

 

[garebear]

I do both,length first then girth

Really? What's your routine? Has it been good? Thanks for the reply

 

[49-er]

Really? What's your routine? Has it been good? Thanks for the reply

I do 6x5 mins in 1.75" and then 6x5 mins in 2.00, have 20 secs in between single sets then every two sets take 3 min break,seems to be going well tbh

 

[garebear]

I do 6x5 mins in 1.75" and then 6x5 mins in 2.00, have 20 secs in between single sets then every two sets take 3 min break,seems to be going well tbh

Very interesting. I been doing 30mins×2 sets in the 1.75. I'm doing 6mins×3sets in the 2.0 right now. With 6 mins clamping between sets.

 

[49-er]

Very interesting. I been doing 30mins×2 sets in the 1.75. I'm doing 6mins×3sets in the 2.0 right now. With 6 mins clamping between sets.

Yea I do ssj and not clamp

 

[garebear]

Yea I do ssj and not clamp

How many days a week do you pump?

 

[49-er]

How many days a week do you pump?

Minimum 5 days

 

[DLD]

So you are doing the 5x5x3?

 

[garebear]

So you are doing the 5x5x3?

Well, I'm experimenting. Yesterday I did 6×3. But I replaced ssj with clamping and squeeze exercises while clamped.

Today for length I did warm-up and stretching by hand. And followed up with 3 sets at 15 minutes in a narrow tube that I pack. Alternated between 10 hg and 15hg.

Then I warmed down.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Well, I'm experimenting. Yesterday I did 6×3. But I replaced ssj with clamping and squeeze exercises while clamped.

Today for length I did warm-up and stretching by hand. And followed up with 3 sets at 15 minutes in a narrow tube that I pack. Alternated between 10 hg and 15hg.

Then I warmed down.

Do SSJ instead. Clamping is to dangerous. You don't want to develop DVT (Deep Vain Trombosis).

 

[49-er]

Yea clamping sucks,been there and bitten twice