Penis Workout Theory

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okay, im gonna try to put together this whole muscle building/pe connection. if you guys disagree or find holes in anything im saying please respond, every opinion is welcome. IMO....

both muscle and spongy tissue cells are surrounded by thin layers of connective tissue that keep them from expanding.
to gain muscle mass you need to put a much larger than normal amount of resistance against the muscle groups so the body flushes large amounts of blood to the area expanding the muscle tissue cells creating microtears in the connective tissue.
once the cells have expanded and created new cells to fill the gaps created by the tears and given time and other elements necessary for recovery the connective tissue heals these microtears in a larger state.
http://www.stentsitive.com/theory/microtears.html
by applying heat to these affected areas causes swelling, but you are causing these tears to bleed retarding healing. applying ice or cold to the area draws fluid away from the area clotting these tears and promoting healing by removing waste products from the area and allowing for the flush of nutrients after the application is removed. if you contrast cold and heat you create a pumping action of the aforementioned processes and is widely regarded as one of the better forms of recovery

so....

when you jelq you are forcing more blood into the shafts of the penis forcing the cells of the spongy tissue creating microtears in their surronding connective tissue leading to the enlarging healing process, which can be encouraged with the application or on/off treatment of cold/heat or cold/room temperature.

taking this all in i think that the principles of weightlifting can be applied to pe. i propose the idea of using sets of jelqs with 1-2 minutes inbetween and an on/off cold water/ice application afterwards. lifting in sets creates a greater stimulus and assumingly and breakdown of tissue as you are able to be more intense (greater blood "pump"),this would allow better jelqs and erections with more reps overall since you are allowing the ligs and prostate to relax and recover which are composed of fibers that can fatigue and lessen your erections and the quality of your session. (arousal plays a major role as well)
of course, most importantly with this breakdown of tissue you need to allow for healing. this routine is up to each person and the amount of jelqs, ulis,.... they do and what other components of pe they perform. whether its 3 a week, 5 on 2 off, 1 on 1 off, 1 on 6 off, or 3 on 2 off....etc. as with lifting personal recovery rates are according to the amount of work or genetics or personal preference and experience.

for me.... (experimental)


M/W/F: 3 sets of 100 jelqs (200 or so jelqs is my max where everything starts to fatigue and the penis seems to expanded more than enough) w/ 1-2 minutes inbetween (applying the theory that max 90 sec rest should exist between sets in order to maximize the building of muscle mass or just a random time frame estimate)
(lifting 3 days a week has worked the best for me along with other workouts.)

5 sets of cold shower 30 sec on/off at room temp.

in terms of increasing reps, i dont think thats necessary since that applies mostly the strengthening of the muscle fibers (none in the shaft) which has more to do with kegels for bloodflow. as the cells expand and heal in the larger state, you just break it down again and repeat the process over and over with same amount of jelqs. the bigger your penis gets when you jelq it still balloons up.

also dont forget, get rest, eat well rounded diet, take a multivitamin, and if you know a supplement that works for bloodflow, tissue healing, etc. using it along with pe can only help. (pills, viagra, L-argine,....)

tell me what you guys think, and if you find any holes in my idea let me know.
sorry if its not worded real well and spotty, i kinda rushed through this cause i gotta get some homework done, but i think i got my ideas across.

oh yeah, the whole point is quicker gains, similar to that of weightlifting, by avoiding overtraining, simply stimulating growth, and promoting recovery.
 
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"in terms of increasing reps, i dont think thats necessary since that applies mostly the strengthening of the muscle fibers (none in the shaft) which has more to do with kegels for bloodflow. as the cells expand and heal in the larger state, you just break it down again and repeat the process over and over with same amount of jelqs. the bigger your penis gets when you jelq it still balloons up."

and the ligs have more to do with flexibility rather than strength.
 
couple last things, edging before the workout would be an effective warmup b/c cells...expand...blah...blah and you get the hormones pumping as well (supra slammers) and with the contrast or cold applications, they probably dont have to be as long as with muscle groups since the penis is so sensitive to changes in temperature.
 
that is a awesome thread and i believe u have u could point, but the penis isn't a muscle and might respond differently to the whole sets, reps, rest theory of bodybuilding. But I think we could apply bodybuilding tricks to pe the giant sets, drop sets, pyramiding, reverser pyramiding, ext. But like i said awesome thread and your right on key.
 
definatly an interesting read. i can see where you are coming from with this.

awaiting the responce of some of the Penis Enlargement vets :)



dopey
 
forgiven said:
that is a awesome thread and i believe u have u could point, but the penis isn't a muscle and might respond differently to the whole sets, reps, rest theory of bodybuilding. But I think we could apply bodybuilding tricks to pe the giant sets, drop sets, pyramiding, reverser pyramiding, ext. But like i said awesome thread and your right on key.
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the sets and reps idea has to do with allowing the prostate and ligs a chance to rest for an effecitive blood pump (boner) from the prostate and the ligs not shortening and contracting to extended fatigue. it also has to do with allowing fresh blood to move in and out of the shaft (i massage and lightly stroke in between sets and then work it up and go again, one edge if you can), letting your arms and hands rest, and being able to perform more reps overall all for a more intense and effective session. it also does not put an undue amount stress on the connective tissue over an extended amount of time without a break, which may require longer healing. like how lifting to fatigue doesnt create as a good of "pump" of blood as lfiting in sets at a high percentage of your max.
 
forgiven said:
that is a awesome thread and i believe u have u could point, but the penis isn't a muscle and might respond differently to the whole sets, reps, rest theory of bodybuilding. But I think we could apply bodybuilding tricks to pe the giant sets, drop sets, pyramiding, reverser pyramiding, ext. But like i said awesome thread and your right on key.
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Indeed. We have established the fact that the penis is not a muscle. Although in the original post, blue did say:

"both muscle and spongy tissue cells are surrounded by thin layers of connective tissue that keep them from expanding."

So the key here isn't whether or not the penis is a muscle. The key here is the thin layers of connective tissue that keep muscle & spongy tissue cells from expanding.

Then again, i could be way off. Blue, is this what you were getting at?
 
Sounds like it may work, but I'm not going to be a guinea pig for it haha. I just shudder at the thought of deliberately putting it all in cold water. Cold showers in Boston are different than cold showers further south haha. But if some people try it out and it works well I'll probably decide to try it out. Let us know how it goes.

John
 
dopefish said:
Indeed. We have established the fact that the penis is not a muscle. Although in the original post, blue did say:

"both muscle and spongy tissue cells are surrounded by thin layers of connective tissue that keep them from expanding."

So the key here isn't whether or not the penis is a muscle. The key here is the thin layers of connective tissue that keep muscle & spongy tissue cells from expanding.

Then again, i could be way off. Blue, is this what you were getting at?
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tommorow and this weekend i will respond to everything and come back to the forum and hopefully discussion will have really picked up in this thread and i will be caught up in school, finals week is next week, but i will say one thing i definitely get a more intense workout and pumped up dick after 3 sets of 100 with breaks as opposed to doing 200 straight.

oh and masturbating on off days would probably be beneficial to healing as well as long as its not a marathon session. the day after a workout light working the of the fibers and tissue actually promotes healing by bringing blood the area along with oxyegen and nutrients, as long as its not extensive its good for ya. on on days or very close in time to a session may have an adverse effect on your workout, wears everything out prostate, tissue, ligs, libido...
 
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What if after a workout, you get erect, clamp off the base with a cable clamp or whatever, then apply the cold wrap to your cock? You wouldn't have to worry about shrinkage then because your dick's got "nowhere to go"....know what I mean?

That would be the only scenario that would make me believe that cold wraps are worth anything.
 
Seems very cool to me. I hate cold water next to my dick. Warm is always better for me. I just do not belive anything cold can help your penis.

I do like the sets Idea, very cool. I will give that a shot. For instance I might jelq for 200 then do 5 Supra Slammers to get the flood of mass hormones in the penis, then do another set of 200 jelqs.

Great Blue
 
Supra said:
Seems very cool to me. I hate cold water next to my dick. Warm is always better for me. I just do not belive anything cold can help your penis.

I do like the sets Idea, very cool. I will give that a shot. For instance I might jelq for 200 then do 5 Supra Slammers to get the flood of mass hormones in the penis, then do another set of 200 jelqs.

Great Blue
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I definately agree with what blue is saying. For example letting your hands rest to keep going.

I tried a new way of working out yesterday. I'm going to do it today also. I am up to 16 minutes of jelqing, I've been working up from 10 since I started doing girth exercises just over a month ago.

When I started I did the full ten minutes straight. Then as I got higher it was getting to mentally and physically hard, so I split it in two.

Even this I was finding was hurting my hands to much and I was losing focus and just 'going through the motions'.

So I went to 3 minutes of jelq, then 1-2 minutes of rest. Then 3 minutes of jelq ETC. At this point I was up to 15 minutes of jelq a day. Yesterday I did 1 minute jelq, 1 minute rest.

As I was up to 16 minutes of jelq, this took 32 minutes. I'm not sure if it was the best way, but I did feel like I was expanding farther then normal. However possibly it didn't feel like I was breaking the tissue down as much, as the 3 minutes on 1-2 minutes off. I'm not really sure which is better breaking down more, or expanding more, but its definately interesting experimenting with shorter durations.

Then I did 8 sets of 2 minute grips on my penis. I'm not really sure what its called but I just get to a pretty good erection (which at this point is sorta weak after all that jelqing), then grip my penis with one hand, at a random point along the shaft. Then I hold on for 2 minutes. And occasionaly I try to reverse kegel more blood in.

I'm sure there is a name for those, unfortunately I don't belong to the site yet, because of no credit card yet.

About the resting, I'm not really sure what is best, I haven't really experimented with it enough to say. It does seem that the people going everyday look to have better results on average. That might just be a factor of dedication though.

If I don't jerkoff I can that workout I said twice a day and it doesn't feel overworked. If I do jerk off, mor ethen once a day and it feels like I'm working out a 'sore' muscle.

I think I"m going to just do it once a day for a few weeks and see how I do. Again I'm not really sure on this rest times.

Also in the last few days I've been doing cold wraps for 10 minutes. Starting with a cold wash cloth for a few minutes, then an ice wrap for a few minutes, then a cold wash cloth again for a few minutes.

I feel so much better after doing this, as my penis feels 'inflamed' almost after working out. I am considering trying what that scandinavian legend guy did, and just keep wrapping cold wraps until it shrinks down to a compact size. So like 20 minutes of cold wrapping or more. I know this sounds nuts but for me it really feels good.

After 4-6 months on this program I'm on, which appears to be giving good results, I might go to an entirely new program. The one where you work up to an expanded erection over say 10 minutes of exercise. Then do 10 minutes of really cold wrapping until its compact. Then 10 exericse, 10 wrap, and do it for maybe an hour and something a day. Try it for a month or so and see how it goes.

I should add I'm going for girth, I'm not really up to date on the newest theories for length.

I refuse to use the word 'small' to my penis, even when its after a cold shower.:)
 
just dropping by, ill read everyone's posts eventuallly.

if you guys think about it, by applying this theory it would explain the idea of "newbie" gains where someone pes in smaller amounts allowing appropiate time to heal but once they see these immediate gains they start to overwork the penis and fall into the cycle of overtraining. it would also explain how it is often to advised to take extended breaks to allow for gains which after so much overly intense training the large amount of damage done to the tissue is finally allowed to heal. i really think that it is does not take as much effort and to see gains as we think as long we are consistent, allow recovery, and eat right and what not. you just gotta stimulate growth not force it.

i dont know if you guys heard of thermo, the guy who gained 2"x1" in 3 months simply jelqing 10 minutes a day 6 days a week. just more stuff to think about i guess.

"There are so many mixed opinions about penile enlargement, especially on this board. Some have seen fantastic gains in as little as 2 month, while others have seen nothing after 6 months. Some have erections of steel, while others have a harder time attaining an erection.

As some of you know, I am a national bodybuilder, and have been for many years. I have been on the program for about 5 months now, and this is my look on it. As to date, I have gained 2 + inches, most of it being in the last 3 months. Basically, I look at my penis the same way as if it where any other muscle in my body, and take into consideration all the factor that determine muscle growth.

Have you ever been to a gym before, then stopped going, and returned a year later?? What do you usually see? Well, for argument's sake, let's say everyone that was there a year ago is still there. You will have some people who have gained a tremendous amount of weight, while others have gained very little, and most have gained nothing at all. Why? Were they not working out?? Yes, but one must realize that there are so many factors that need to be there in order to make growth possible. You cannot expect growth just because you do the exercises. All the exercise does is stimulate growth. Once you've done that, you must give your body what it needs to be able to achieve growth. Genetics will play a part as to how fast you will grow, but regardless of your genetics, EVERYBODY is capable of growth.

The 2 most common reasons why people attain very little to no growth.

1. Your Diet
2. Overtraining

The most important factor of all, and I cannot stress this enough is your DIET!!!!!! 90% of people have a terrible diet. No breakfast, fast food, lack of vitamins and minerals, lack of proper calories, essential fat, protein, and the list goes on. I can go to the gym, do everything right, but if I do not have the proper diet, I will gain NOTHING!!! and could even end up losing weight. So if you are serious about growth, look at your diet very carefully. Adding a multi vitamin will not solve your problem. If you don't have the proper diet, a multi V. will do very little for you. I know they really push the vitamins and minerals on this site, but that's only to make money. Yes, they are important, but there are many other factors to one diet that must be looked at.

Overtraining. Your biggest enemy. So many people are under the impression more is better. I see time and time again, people who go to the gym, and have the mentality that the more I do, the faster, and the bigger I'll grow. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am 5'9", at a competition weight of around 210, 5 % BF, 21" arms, 55" chest. And I do less sets and reps than 95% of the people in the gym. Why?? Simple, to attain growth you need to stimulate your muscle, telling it to grow, right?? Let's take my biceps for example. I do three sets. 1 warmup set, one heavier set, and the last set I will do to absolute failure. (You must have INTENSITY on the last set) What have I just done? I have put my muscle under stress that it is not used to, hence, it will adapt. How will it adapt, by growing. You only need that one set to stimulate growth. If I were to continue and do 3, 4, 6 more sets, the only thing that I am doing at this point, is tearing it down more. I am doing nothing to increase growth. So my body will need more nutrition, hormones, as well as time just to repair the muscle. My point being, MORE IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER!!

What happens when you work a muscle, is that you tear it down. Then your body goes in, repairs the damage that was done, THEN after that it will grow. If your body has not finished it's repairs on the muscle, and then you work it out again, your are overtraining. There will be little to no growth. Your body is going to work hard and struggle just to repair itself. So if I preform 10 sets instead of 3, then I may be doubling the time it takes to repair my muscle before it can adapt. So why would you do more, when it only slows (or stops) gains??

There are two types of overtraining. Localized (Just a specific muscle) or your entire body. With penile enlargement, you obviously only overtrain locally.

My point to this post is this. Most people on this program are lacking the two most important factors that determine growth. Diet, and proper exercise. Don't take this manual and follow it to the T. Experiment. Find out what works for you. Everyone is different, so you cannot set a guideline that will work for everyone. I have experimented with this program. For the first month on this program, everyday my sex drive would go down, my erection got weaker and my [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] got worse. So instead of continuing the program (as so many people do), I stopped and analyzed why I was going downhill instead of up. My biggest mistake, I did exactly what the manual told me. So after months of experimenting, I am now having excellent gains from this program. 2 + inches in length, 1 inch in girth, harder erection than ever before, and [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] has much improved.

This is now my routine.

6 day's a week:

5-10 mins hot wrap before and after
10-15 mins of jelqing, that's it!

I usually never go over 10 min. But I make it an intense 10 minutes. Hard, slow jelqs. And I make sure that when I do my stroke, that my penis expands bigger than normal. I find that sometimes when I am not erect enough, I can still jelq, but I don't expand beyond normal size. You must make it bigger than normal in order to attain growth. I also find that I need to be around 80% erect to achieve gains, not 50-60% as I was told.

Now I only do stretching 2-3 times a week, and no more than 5 min per session. I found that to much stretching, as well as pulling to hard was the biggest factor in my ED.

Kegels, in the manual, it says you can never do to many of these. Bullshit!!! Don't ever listen to that. You can!! I do a good set of kegles every 2 day. It took me about 1 month before I found out how to truly isolate the muscle. But once I did, the next day I was so sore, that I could barely walk lol.....I was sore for about 3 day's after that. Give your PC time to recover. Don't think that doing them in the morning, when you drive, at the movies, at night, 5 times a day will make it stronger. For me, it is counter-productive to work it so often. Try to give it one intense workout every 1-2 days. If you feel that you are overtraining, take a few days off. It will do you more good than most people realize. If you are performing tons of kegels a day, and still have a hard time getting an erection, decrease your frequency. My kegel-workouts are very intense. If I perform them everyday, that's when I have trouble to attain, and maintain an erection. I can only perform them every 2 days. Any more, and it's to much.

Dedication. One must be dedicated to see any gains. Don't expect to see gains after a week. Give it time, they will come.

This is only my personal experience with the program. I am, by no means, saying that this will work for everyone."
 
Supra said:
Seems very cool to me. I hate cold water next to my dick. Warm is always better for me. I just do not belive anything cold can help your penis.

I do like the sets Idea, very cool. I will give that a shot. For instance I might jelq for 200 then do 5 Supra Slammers to get the flood of mass hormones in the penis, then do another set of 200 jelqs.

Great Blue
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hi supra, i think blue1214198203 makes a good point. how would you exercise more then once a day without feeling sore if you didnt use a cold pack?

also, testosterone likes cold. :thumbsup:

if someone wanted to bring health to an organ hydrotherepy is powerful choice. the blood can be loaded with nutrients, but if there is blood flow blockage that carrot juice wont get there and heal it. heat brings the blood to the surface, cold drives it deep.
 
dopefish said:
Indeed. We have established the fact that the penis is not a muscle. Although in the original post, blue did say:

"both muscle and spongy tissue cells are surrounded by thin layers of connective tissue that keep them from expanding."

So the key here isn't whether or not the penis is a muscle. The key here is the thin layers of connective tissue that keep muscle & spongy tissue cells from expanding.

Then again, i could be way off. Blue, is this what you were getting at?
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yes, thats exactly it.
 
Godsize said:
What if after a workout, you get erect, clamp off the base with a cable clamp or whatever, then apply the cold wrap to your cock? You wouldn't have to worry about shrinkage then because your dick's got "nowhere to go"....know what I mean?

That would be the only scenario that would make me believe that cold wraps are worth anything.
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nice thought but that defeats the purpose of the contrast cold shower which is to flush out waste and bring in nutrients and oxyegen to speed healing. dont be afraid of cold water on your dick guys, it helps and speeds recovery. it has the same effect on other areas of the body that get worked out and are flushed with blood expanding tissue. adverse swelling is not a good thing, it retards healing and could force you to lose potential gains. itll shrink at first but will come back fuller and looser the next day.
 
@blue1214198203


I absolutely agree with you ! No matter how much I tried , no matter how much I wanted , no matter how much I worked through pain - I never was able to train 5 days in a row. Its simply impossible for my penis. It indeed gets to tired. It's been 9 month now that I have been Pe'ing and it took me about 8 month to finally admit it to myself and apply my knew experience to my routine.

Now I train this way : day 1=girth=jelqs day 2= length=stretches. This is what works for me, keeps me pumped , doesn't fuck-up my penis and still allows to have quality sex every now and then.

It was exactly this false way of thinking that lead to my injury on my second month of Penis Enlargement. I jelqued with a 100% erection for 4 days straight / 1 hour each day and on the fifth day I woke up with a crooked penis - a goddamn bend to the left + a deflated left shaft chamber. Its been 6 month since that accident and I'd say it healed about 80%. Thanks god the injury wasn't effecting my erection for too long and the bend was a minor one !
Now its almost straight as an arrow , however the left chamber still remains the weaker one , and it still is the first to respond with pain after intense girth workouts ! Maybe this will heal some time in the future , however I'm happy with the way it is right now ! It could have been much worse - so I can't really complain.

I learned my lesson the hard way (unfortunatly) I hope stuff like this will not happen in the future.


What can others learn from it : If you can go 5 days in a row , do so . If however u do pe and have difficulties gettin it up, it shrivels up all the time,or you feel pain - change your routine before u fuck up the oneand only dick you will ever have !
 
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@blue1214198203


I absolutely agree with you ! No matter how much I tried , no matter how much I wanted , no matter how much I worked through pain - I never was able to train 5 days in a row. Its simply impossible for my penis. It indeed gets to tired. It's been 9 month now that I have been Pe'ing and it took me about 8 month to finally admit it to myself and apply my knew experience to my routine.

Now I train this way : day 1=girth=jelqs day 2= length=stretches. This is what works for me, keeps me pumped , doesn't fuck-up my penis and still allows to have quality sex every now and then.

It was exactly this false way of thinking that lead to my injury on my second month of Penis Enlargement. I jelqued with a 100% erection for 4 days straight / 1 hour each day and on the fifth day I woke up with a crooked penis - a goddamn bend to the left + a deflated left shaft chamber. Its been 6 month since that accident and I'd say it healed about 80%. Thanks god the injury wasn't effecting my erection for too long and the bend was a minor one !
Now its almost straight as an arrow , however the left chamber still remains the weaker one , and it still is the first to respond with pain after intense girth workouts ! Maybe this will heal some time in the future , however I'm happy with the way it is right now ! It could have been much worse - so I can't really complain.

I learned my lesson the hard way (unfortunatly) I hope stuff like this will not happen in the future.


What can others learn from it : If you can go 5 days in a row , do so . If however u do pe and have difficulties gettin it up, it shrivels up all the time,or you feel pain - change your routine before u fuck up the oneand only dick you will ever have !
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its so true, i really think that pe is such an exciting concept that we have all jumped into this with such an aggressive mindset where we are pessimistic about gains and think we have to kill ourselves to see change. i really dont think its true. work smarter not harder, one of the main reasons i spent 1 or 2 years simply experimenting with pe was because i didnt really have a foundation for how or why a certain routine worked other than "my penis got ballooned up, i should balloon it up all the time and itll get bigger" but thats not true, unless you want to wait a long time. gains shouldnt take a year or more, the body adapts much much faster than that, but if you dont give it time to adapt or support this adaptation it wont happen.
 
Shit dude , another thing that just came to my mind.

You compare the enlarging of the penis to enlarging of a arm muscle- wich is ok to do , because both are muscles with cells. Eventhough one is smooth muscle and the other sceletal muscle.

If your assumptions are correct and a girthwise penis enlarging happens because of more and more cells that add up on top of each other just as it happens with a biceps....

....do you realize its the biggest arguement against permanent gains ?!?!

sure everybody can build up some biceps muscle with alot of work...however once you completly quit the workouts the body will get rif of excessive cells and your biceps will shrink in size untill its as small as it used to be. Extra muscles are a luxery for the body , they are high maintainance (nutrients + workout) without workout they shrink..and all you are left with is a muscle memmory effect = the ability to gain size back quickly once you restart the workouts.


maybe afterall what we really permanently build up in our penises is not new cells but scar tissue , the latter one being the only really permanent ! God knows.

Afterall we are all lab rats because nobody knows what the long term effects might be...nobody Penis Enlargement'd for 10 years straight....damn ..I hop it works out to our advantage
 
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Shit dude , another thing that just came to my mind.

You compare the enlarging of the penis to enlarging of a arm muscle- wich is ok to do , because both are muscles with cells. Eventhough one is smooth muscle and the other sceletal muscle.

If your assumptions are correct and a girthwise penis enlarging happens because of more and more cells that add up on top of each other just as it happens with a biceps....

....do you realize its the biggest arguement against permanent gains ?!?!

sure everybody can build up some biceps muscle with alot of work...however once you completly quit the workouts the body will get rif of excessive cells and your biceps will shrink in size untill its as small as it used to be. Extra muscles are a luxery for the body , they are high maintainance (nutrients + workout) without workout they shrink..and all you are left with is a muscle memmory effect = the ability to gain size back quickly once you restart the workouts.


maybe afterall what we really permanently build up in our penises is not new cells but scar tissue , the latter one being the only really permanent ! God knows.

Afterall we are all lab rats because nobody knows what the long term effects might be...nobody Penis Enlargement'd for 10 years straight....damn ..I hop it works out to our advantage
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tbirdy I haven't found that with muscles. I didn't work out for 6 months, and I actualy grew in size, because I knew how to eat right. My strength did go down, but my muscle size didn't. Strength is the mind to muscle connection, amount of short muscle itself, and the efficiency and development of the atp delivery system.

Like even if you aren't working out per say, you also are moving your arms around, or helping a friend move something etc. Or for your legs, just walking around. With your penis, once you have solidified a size, I don't think you'd have to worry about losing girth. Plus you'd still be putting it under stress, during masterbation, sex and night erections.

However you could do a maintenance program, but really you should just keep growing and making a stronger erection in my opinion. Women can handle well over 7 girth, and most of us have a ways until there.
 
blue I couldn't agree more with what you say about bodybuilding

but for Penis Enlargement, ALL the big gainers do high volume, hours and hours of hanging and stretching, and long intense girth workouts everyday.

I would be very surprised if you showed me a guy who jelqed and stretched for 10 minutes each everyday and made big gains (big as in 2+ inches per year). Even if there was it would probably be because he was very atrophied in the first place.
 
hehe maybe afterall it WAS shit that came to my mind in the last post, so I got some things wrong...

still I wonder how u could ever keep any serious muscle just with diet...

no matter how good it is u need to workout.
 
shit you're right, I'm proud of being one of the first involved in Penis Enlargement (I know people have been doing it for hundreds of years, ancient tribes yea i know, but its still fuckin new because... well cause i say so) but we are test rats! there could be serious downside to this we don't even know, and probably won't know until we become infertile or impotent. does anyone here have an extensive knowledge on scar tissue and cancer, so we can really look at what we're doing to ourselves.

Ok yea I'm worried about harm it can do, but I'm young (22) and have many years ahead of me, don't want anything going wrong with my stuff, but if it was up to me, i don't think it would do much harm. scar tissue probably wouldn't let you have rock hard erections, and look at the veterans, their erection IMPROVED. skin that gets ripped of harshly gives you a scar, but it minimizes pretty well, and still functions well. we're not doing anything drastic to our dick,just small things,and it will still function, at least the shaft. you gotta be extra careful with the balls, because if something goes wrong there, you can get infertile... but you can still fuck.

:D Alright I don't know what the fuck I'm saying no more so I'll shut up
 
adjustment: 3 sets of 50 jelqs

100 was too much, think when you work other areas they plump with blood and, they dont get tottally engorged, but i know the penis is made to expand so that should be considered as well, but from feeling it out this is what i came to.
 
tbirdy said:
Shit dude , another thing that just came to my mind.

You compare the enlarging of the penis to enlarging of a arm muscle- wich is ok to do , because both are muscles with cells. Eventhough one is smooth muscle and the other sceletal muscle.

If your assumptions are correct and a girthwise penis enlarging happens because of more and more cells that add up on top of each other just as it happens with a biceps....

....do you realize its the biggest arguement against permanent gains ?!?!

sure everybody can build up some biceps muscle with alot of work...however once you completly quit the workouts the body will get rif of excessive cells and your biceps will shrink in size untill its as small as it used to be. Extra muscles are a luxery for the body , they are high maintainance (nutrients + workout) without workout they shrink..and all you are left with is a muscle memmory effect = the ability to gain size back quickly once you restart the workouts.


maybe afterall what we really permanently build up in our penises is not new cells but scar tissue , the latter one being the only really permanent ! God knows.

Afterall we are all lab rats because nobody knows what the long term effects might be...nobody Penis Enlargement'd for 10 years straight....damn ..I hop it works out to our advantage
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its really all about expanding the connective tissue that restricts the expansion of the tissue allowing for enlargement.

and really the real reason you would lose muscle growth after you stop lifting would be because of serious inactivity or you either dont eat enough or dont eat right and the body's metabolism feeds off the muscle tissue instead of calories.
 
quijjiboo said:
blue I couldn't agree more with what you say about bodybuilding

but for Penis Enlargement, ALL the big gainers do high volume, hours and hours of hanging and stretching, and long intense girth workouts everyday.

I would be very surprised if you showed me a guy who jelqed and stretched for 10 minutes each everyday and made big gains (big as in 2+ inches per year). Even if there was it would probably be because he was very atrophied in the first place.
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genetics.

but then also hundreds upon hundreds of other have gained nearly nothing or the anticlimatic .5-3/4 or so per 14 months, the body adapts quicker than that when handled properly

and what about all the newbies and others who have used light routines and gained 1.5-2 inches in a matter of 3 months? for me ive read more of these than those who do imo "overly" intense routines.
 
blue1214198203 said:
genetics.

but then also hundreds upon hundreds of other have gained nearly nothing or the anticlimatic .5-3/4 or so per 14 months, the body adapts quicker than that when handled properly

and what about all the newbies and others who have used light routines and gained 1.5-2 inches in a matter of 3 months? for me ive read more of these than those who do imo "overly" intense routines.
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I must be reading bizarro world [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] then, cuz I see the opposite.
 
AncientChina said:
No need to shut up fallen, I like what you are saying.
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Thx man, I don't have much knowledge of he body or how it works, want to give my opinion but not misinform anybody so they use it as fact. Actually topics like this, bodybuilding, overall health are interesting to me, might look into this kinda stuff more.

its your bodies natural defense to become stronger after going through bad conditions and stuff, ya know, heal and come back stronger than before. Since we are extending the tissue, straining it, the body, with the right nutrition, rest, will repair that, and make it able to withstand that pressure better for next time (making it bigger)
 
Very interesting post Blue. Im in this stuff since 4-5months and i see no gains. The first 6weeks i only jelqed, started with 10min and at the end i did 30min. But my biggest mistake was, that i did it all flacid. After the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] i started with some more advanced things like A-Stretches, erect jelqs and jelqs with pumping the blood and then holding with one hand at the base and the other jelq. After my newbie time i immediatly increased my workout time to 1-2hours on 5/6days a week. I see no gains till now, my sexual drive went down, before i got often horny only seeing a hot girl dressed hot and could jack off more than once a day, not to mention that i did it everyday. Now, i really cant remember when i was so horny like before and its also longer time ago when i masturbated. Ok i have sex, but before i was so horny that i also had to masturbate. Also my erections got weaker. Sometimes its a problem for me to keep my erections, even during sex. I think i have also to say that i smoke a lot and never paid attention to warm up/down and never tried it with cold water. I think ill try what u say, but 10-15min looks not enough for me, ill do 20-30min for length and the same for girth. Have also a question, would u say i should take a rest for about 4weeks for recovery or should i just start with your program, i dont wanna losse time, i wanna have a big dick as soon as possible. Ah i almoust forgot to say that im takeing L-Arginine since 3days, hope this helps a little.

PS: Sorry for my bad english...
 
Yeah maybe its a good idea, but im a poor student and thought that i get enough info in the forum. Ok the vids are a good help, but how can u help me dld, when i didnt get any gains in the past 4-5months? Im dedicated and do dld-blasters, things that i described in my last post and throw also some ullies and bends here and there. Im really frustrated that i get no gains, think only my flacid improved, got no gains, but he doesnt shrink so often like in the past.
Damn i need a big dick as soon as possible, when i would be sure u can help me, think i could save some money for it in the next month. 50 bucks is nothing compared to what u get from it, but as i said, i tried some things and still didnt gain. I dont wanna wait 2or3 years to see some gains, i would be so happy when i would grow 1inch in the next 3months...
 
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