To everyone bitching and moaning about not making gains...

How many of you can actually say that you Penis Enlargement with an intelligent routine in a daily basis, with daily warmups and a Penis Enlargement log to record your workouts so you know what works and what doesn't? I used to be among the ranks of you guys, trying a Penis Enlargement program for a week or two, measuring, and getting pissed off that I hadn't made a gain in a fuckin' week! Well, I have gotton my act together and have gone back to a basic routine and am gaining again.

My post is not made to be self righteous. I just was reading posts here on the forum and there's so many people here doubting and when they are probed about their routine and shit they don't even have one, lol, go figure. Penis Enlargement should be a daily ritual. After awhile it becomes second nature and you don't have to force yourself to do it. It is at this point that gains will come for anyone willing to put in the time, I believe.

-Skepdick

I totally agree man. I've said it countless times on who knows how many Penis Enlargement forums now. No commitment=no gains. You simply cannot go at this stuff half heartedly, with a half-ass approach to your routine and expect the gains you really want to see. I'm no saint either, there have been plenty of times in the past where I have had almost no commitment to a routine. Guess what though? EVERY time I re-commit, and stick with to a solid routine, I see gains. EVERY time.

Skepdick said:

How many of you can actually say that you Penis Enlargement with an intelligent routine in a daily basis, with daily warmups and a Penis Enlargement log to record your workouts so you know what works and what doesn't? I used to be among the ranks of you guys, trying a Penis Enlargement program for a week or two, measuring, and getting pissed off that I hadn't made a gain in a fuckin' week! Well, I have gotton my act together and have gone back to a basic routine and am gaining again.

My post is not made to be self righteous. I just was reading posts here on the forum and there's so many people here doubting and when they are probed about their routine and shit they don't even have one, lol, go figure. Penis Enlargement should be a daily ritual. After awhile it becomes second nature and you don't have to force yourself to do it. It is at this point that gains will come for anyone willing to put in the time, I believe.

-Skepdick

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Guys should be keeping logs from the very beginning. How does one know what works and what doesn't over time without a good log? What about measurements? Without a good log, failure is imminent!

I call bullshit on this! I put in hell of time and I would think following DLD's hand programs or avocet8 pumping programs or whatever else program I did or tweaked should have got me more than a 1/4" in 15 months. Some or should I say most of you are truly lucky that Penis Enlargement is working out for you. I have books way back to 5/2000 and frankly I am tired of writing shit in there and getting shit back. It would be like if you had a part-time job and never got paid for your time, I expected appx 2" in that time like most would have got in 15 months straight. Looking back though I would have be thrilled with just 1" shit 1/2 would be a step in the right direction.

Hey,

I'm not as experienced as the rest of you MOS guys, Its hard when your new, you havn't really seen crazy gains, and its hard to be optimistic when everyone in the first place is saying it cant be done, feel me? So Its hard to stay motivated in the first place, and you get disappointed if you dont see gains, I know how it feels, but what I mean is when your new to this Penis Enlargement thing, its hard to keep a steady routine, and stay motivated when you dont see results.

But I am still here, I try my best to keep motivated, and stick to routine, I just want to see those really noticable gains were I'm like "whoa, my dick is getting bigger!"

I dont understand what the point in a log is, I mean, my log is in my head, I dont need to write down what works for me and what doesnt, because I already know, but I guess if you have been Penis Enlargementing for 5 years or something its hard to tell.

people gotta be patient and understand that gains will come when they want to.I noticed gains on rest periods,and there were times where i noticed gains the following day after a good work out

n2growing said:

I call bullshit on this! I put in hell of time and I would think following DLD's hand programs or avocet8 pumping programs or whatever else program I did or tweaked should have got me more than a 1/4" in 15 months. Some or should I say most of you are truly lucky that Penis Enlargement is working out for you. I have books way back to 5/2000 and frankly I am tired of writing shit in there and getting shit back. It would be like if you had a part-time job and never got paid for your time, I expected appx 2" in that time like most would have got in 15 months straight. Looking back though I would have be thrilled with just 1" shit 1/2 would be a step in the right direction.

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I feel you, man. I'm also sick and tired of people running their mouth off on how ANYONE, regardless of genetic potential, age, beginning penile health etc, can make MASSIVE gains if they put their heart and soul into it and just work like a horse. I have done just that for close to 2 years now, and I have .8" of EL and .2" EG to show for my efforts. However, I have already come to grips with the fact that I'm a hardgainer, so I'm content with what I have scratched together. I'm not complaining about my lack of gains, but rather the attitude these so-called 'good gainers' have towards anyone who isn't making good progress and voicing his complaints/concern over it.

I resent being told that my gains are due to a lack of motivation, effort or the right mindset. Men aren't created equally; some gain muscle without much effort while others have to work their asses off for years on end just to put on a few pounds, and I believe the same goes for Penis Enlargementing, too. It seems the majority of men make rather good gains, but there is the minority who have a tough time reshaping their penis. Personally I have figured out a way to make decent progress, but it involves taking long breaks and going a few steps backwards every now and then to avoid getting plateued, which would otherwise happen no matter how much I upped my intensity of tweaked my routine.

Like I've also said in the past, not everyone gains at the same rate. No need for anyone to get defensive or 'huffy puffy' because you have been busting your ass and not getting the results you want. More than likely, youre STILL getting SOME results. Regardless of your rate of gain, if you have a commitment to your end result...your final goal, as long as you are making gains, that fact in itself (that youre making gains) should be enough to keep you motivated to hit your final goal.

I've never really been pressed for time so to speak with this stuff. In other words, I'll keep at this stuff until I'm happy with the results. Either that, or until I honestly feel like I just cant gain anymore no matter what I try. I used to have a length goal of around 9.5" non bp. However, after adding 2" to my length over the last few years, and also getting more in shape physically and losing some of my fat pad recently as a result, I have found that I really like how 7" non bp looks, and am now only concerning myself with gaining more girth. I'm projectively focused on a girth goal of 7", but again that may change dependent on how I like the new girth sizes I hit in the near future as I make gains.

Why would anyone be against keeping a log? It takes a couple of minutes a day to write in, and the records are invaluable.

Not everyone can (or should) follow a cookie cutter plan to make gains- that's why you keep a log. If you're NOT making gains, then at least you'll have the documentation to go over so you know what DOESN'T work for you. That way, you won't repeat your mistakes and you can form a new plan of action.

As to some of the hostility in this thread, Skepdick doesn't sound like he's referring to dedicated hard gainers that plug away month after month with [relatively] little to show for it-

"...trying a Penis Enlargement program for a week or two, measuring, and getting pissed off that I hadn't made a gain in a fuckin' week!"




"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." ~Thomas Edison on his "failed" attempts at perfecting the light bulb.

I'm a hard gainer. I've gained 1 inch length and 5/8 inch girth in three years. Of course I didn't go fulltime and I took like a year and a half off, so I guess I should be happy. I don't know. I keep a very basic log, but it's not a daily thing. Also, my routine is pretty elastic. I guess I approach it like lifting weights. I rarely keep a log and usually do different exercises for chest or whatever. I guess I know enough to really push myself and construct a good routine on the fly. Yes, I'm impatient and never wait in line for an exercise.

My point is that there is a middle ground. Yes, you could argue that I've achieved middle ground results, but I'm pretty happy w/ them. Yes, beginning people should keep a log and do a consistant workout, but at a point you'll be able to feel what's working and what's not on a day to day basis and adapt.

BTW Still, you're current stats are my current goals. Can't wait.

I think labeling yourself a hard gainer is a really bad thing to do.....
its all in the mind

I beleive the reason DLD gained so much is because he actually beleived he should be gaining more than he did.....

ITs been hard for me to gain
But I aint a hard gainer

VladtheImpaler said:

I think labeling yourself a hard gainer is a really bad thing to do.....
its all in the mind

I beleive the reason DLD gained so much is because he actually beleived he should be gaining more than he did.....

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Very well said! You can accomplish SO much more if you let your mind help instead of fight it.

I noticed my most impressive gains when I stopped mentally fighting the process and realized, "Hey this works". I went from thinking "if" to "when". HUGE difference.

Guys, don't get me wrong; I'm not consciously or subconsciously undermining my own efforts. I have a very positive outlook on Penis Enlargementing nowadays, and I love the way it keeps my penis 'in shape'. I'm also looking forward to new gains down the road.

However, all of this positive energy that I put into it DOESN'T change the fact that my penis responds poorly to the exercises. I don't really mind that, either, as long as I'll get to my final goal eventually. Eventually as in during the next couple of years or so. I won't make it my life's purpose to get to the finish line if things start to look hopeless at one point or another, though. Some guys would, and they would probably end up at their goal size after many years, but personally I have better things to do with my life than spend my youth obsessing over something that is next to impossible for me to achieve. Hence the reason why my goals are rather modest.

The biggest mistake someone can make in Penis Enlargement is making it more complicated then it needs to be. Penis Enlargement works for everyone and if it is not working for you then you need to look at a few things.

The single most important part of Penis Enlargement is the mental portion. I know that many of you are probabbly sighing to yourselves thinking, DLD is such a fucking hippy, but I assure you I am not I only know that with Penis Enlargement if my mind is in the wrong place I WILL NOT GAIN. A very importantthing for me was this post on INTENSITY vs. MENTAL BELIEF and this post on VISUAL, MENTAL and SPIRITUAL Penis Enlargement. If you get the opportunity to read them please do as they have helped me considerably. As corny as this sounds it has allot of merit, You can do anything if you believe it.

Next is the PHYSICAL aspect of Penis Enlargement. This is something that can get confusing at times too and it really does not need to be. Penis Enlargement is broken down into 2 main parts being GIRTH and LENGTH. Increasing GIRTH is very simple to understand, if you constantly bring your penis to an extended time of maximum expansion the tissue has no choice but to accommodate this expansion by stretching, deforming, micro-tearing and repairing thus a thicker penis. So why is it so hard for guys to gain GIRTH sometimes? I think it has to do with one thing, not getting to your maximum expansion long enough. Thats it. With the hundreds of different GIRTH exercises out there one can feel confused if he is doing the right one. Find a GIRTH routine you like and stick with it...PUT ON THE BLINDERS and give it a chance. When you are finished with a GIRTH session and you are not feeling you have achieved MAXIMUM EXPANSION then you need to move to a more intense routine. For myself I like to get beyond my natural GIRTH size and stay in this zone, while exercising, for at least 30 minutes. When I have done this, I put my penis away and get on with my day.

LENGTH is the other side of Penis Enlargement and in my opinion the easiest place to make gains. As funny and basic as this sounds, I see the penis as a flesh bag that have one singe sexual purpose, TO GET LONGER. No other organ on the human body expands like the penis, this is its main job. Keeping this in mind and thinking about some widely excepted forms of body modification really simplifies this process. Have you seen Monty's ears? I will post a picture for all to see. Monty has had a habit of pulling on his ear lobes for most of his life. Monty now has ear lobes that stretch to almost 8 inches! Hmmm, 8 inch ear lobes, but an organ that was made to get larger and starts out bigger than Monty's ear lobes can't be stretched? Come on! If the penis is stretched with enough intensity for a prolonged period it will stretch longer...Penis EnlargementRIOD! You don't need to put any other thought into the process. If you stretch it will grow. Just like GIRTH there are many LENGTH exercises and I have always believed the best route it to start with BASICS, be consistent and religious to your routine and only advance when you plateau. Then you can rework your routine, hell even join my pay-site that lays out each advancement in a very easy to follow system.

Lastly a user needs to appreciate and understand the gift we all know about which is Penis Enlargement. Shit, we found the fountain of youth for our most prized organ. We know the secrets to making ourselves bigger men. This in itself is incredible. Does this happen overnight? FUCK NO! It takes a complete change of life...COMPLETE! Once you start on your Penis Enlargement journey the rest of your life will change. You will need top be strong with yourself, patient beyond anything you have ever been patient with, goal oriented, willing to give up an hour or two most days every week, and willing to settle down into this new life of Penis Enlargement. At first it seems overwhelming and anyone who has been successful with Penis Enlargement will endorse this. Thing rarely happen on our time, they happen when they happen and if we stick around long enough we all will reap the rewards of Penis Enlargement.

I came into Penis Enlargement with 6.5 inches of Bone Pressed Dick today I am beyond 10 inches, believe it or not. If I can do this, anyone can.

Very inspirational post DLD.

Great posts everyone. Here's my 2 cents (coming from a decent gainer):

Effort and intensity are relative terms. What seems like torture to one guy would be a cakewalk to another. I have experienced personally through training friends (weight training, though there is almost no difference between your ability to generate intensity and effort through Penis Enlargement or weightlifting). People's sense of hard work varies alot from person to person. I've been told by the people I'm training that they're not making gains and frustrated, eating a ton of food and training hard, but when I hang out with them for a day, they're eating like an anorexic vegan and pussy-footing around the gym for 20 minutes.

Here's what a typical hanging set is like for me: I load up 20 pounds, and right off the bat I'm feeling aches and pains from the weight, it feels like a ton and the skin at the base there's a sharp pain from being stretched. After a few minutes, all the tissues settle into place and I can feel the tunica and ligs being stretched hard. About ten minutes into the set, I can feel the tunica burning deeply from the stretch. By the 15 minute mark, I am grimacing from the pain, almost screaming, sweating and can barely take it anymore. I repeat this hell SEVERAL TIMES, EVERYDAY. Can you honestly say that you keep that kind of intensity day in day out consistently and have had no gains to show for it??

This is just another perspective. Those links that DLD posted are awesome, I think reading and applying what he says in those threads are the key to making gains.

For me the answer was not to train with more intensity and for longer periods of time. If you have followed by posts, a few months ago I was attempting to do shit like 8 hrs a day of erect ADC while I went to work and other crazy things like that. Well, to make a long story short I overdid it, lost my ability to get an erection, and had to take a full month off before I was able to get hard again. Since being back, I have gone back to a very basic routine of stretching, jelqing, and PC work with a good warm up. My new routine including the warmup takes only about 45 minutes which is a fraction of the time I was spending on Penis Enlargement and I don't pulverize my dick like I used to.

I think I was a typical hardgainer/nogainer for a long time. I would always try and up the anti on the intensity, if I didn't make my routine more intense every few days I would freak out, quit (which usually happened after a week or 2), then I would swear Penis Enlargement was bullshit and wait a few weeks before I came up with the new "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement routines only to continue the cycle. It is very very easy to psyche yourself out with Penis Enlargement, I had been doing it for years but now my only focus is consistently doing my basic routine everyday until January 1st 2005 when I will measure. This is important, we need to just get out there and do the Penis Enlargement rather than flipping out that we don't see results. I can tell just from looking at my dick that it is bigger though and I know that my modest goal of 7.25NBPX5.375 midshaft will be achieved in this time period.

doublelongdaddy said:

I know that many of you are probabbly sighing to yourselves thinking, DLD is such a fucking hippy,

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Seriously, these posts are why I keep coming around this place. I consider myself a hard gainer, but I just see it as more of a challenge and WHEN I hit my next goal it will be all the sweeter.

Sorry for the double post, but I just thought of something else. On another board, a guy was going on about how Penis Enlargement was shit. I asked him his routine. He said that he religiously did 10 minutes of jelquing a day for three months and then threw in the towel. Jesus tapdancing Christ what an idiot.

Shafty said:

I feel you, man. I'm also sick and tired of people running their mouth off on how ANYONE, regardless of genetic potential, age, beginning penile health etc, can make MASSIVE gains if they put their heart and soul into it and just work like a horse. I have done just that for close to 2 years now, and I have .8" of EL and .2" EG to show for my efforts. However, I have already come to grips with the fact that I'm a hardgainer, so I'm content with what I have scratched together. I'm not complaining about my lack of gains, but rather the attitude these so-called 'good gainers' have towards anyone who isn't making good progress and voicing his complaints/concern over it.

I resent being told that my gains are due to a lack of motivation, effort or the right mindset. Men aren't created equally; some gain muscle without much effort while others have to work their asses off for years on end just to put on a few pounds, and I believe the same goes for Penis Enlargementing, too. It seems the majority of men make rather good gains, but there is the minority who have a tough time reshaping their penis. Personally I have figured out a way to make decent progress, but it involves taking long breaks and going a few steps backwards every now and then to avoid getting plateued, which would otherwise happen no matter how much I upped my intensity of tweaked my routine.

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For all the guys who made these posts, yeah I am on your level too. I decided FR was for me, Penis Enlargement just didn't work.