New to pumping

Hello everyone.

I am completely new to the world of pumping, but after talking to tbirdy I feel I must look into what he has advised me to do!

Basically I am worried from what he says that actually extenders, hanging and huge long sets of many stretches and jelqs may not be the way to go (...even though I just ordered an extender!) as like he says its very risky do to possible enlagred veins, weakened structures and fluid build up not proper gains!

I think his advice made alot of sense to me when I finally read it all slowly and carefully enough to understand it! (sorry I didnt do that before I messages to back tbirdy!)

I am trying to find his routines on here but havent had much luck yet.

He recommends 10 mins pupling at 90% errection while kegalling or reverse kegalling at no more that 5gh pressure using a kaplan pump.

The idea being consistant expansion everyday using this method will first cause the arteries to expand and adapt allowing greater blood flow into the penis chambers, and after constantly perfoming this for months the cells of the corpus caversona will gradually beginf to divide and grow...hopefullt adding lenght and girth!

Does this sound correct to you guys? I think it sounds pretty sensible allowing gradual expansion with minumen fluid build up (staying hard thoughout).

I was going to give it a try, can anyone recommend a decent pump and cylinder? In fact any info on these issues would be greatly appreciates

Cheers dudes

Sounds like good advice. I bought a nice pump 3 1/2 weeks ago and I've been very pleased with it.

I've been pumping almost every day since I received it in the mail, and so far I've noticed that my penis looks way more vascular and my erections are much stronger. My orgasms feel alot better too for some reason, but I'm not sure this has anything to do with the pump.

I also look noticeably thicker aswell in the shaft and in the glans. As for length, my penis does look longer, but only because my head size is bigger. I don't think I will experience real length gains till later, as pumping targets girth more than it does length.

These effects are still there even after more than a day off of pumping so they are not to be confused with the post pump engorged effect which lasts for about 8 hours or so.

If you're looking for a good pump, I recommend VacuTech. Just google the name, and visit their website.

They make very good pumps, and their customer service is awesome!

~Demolition Man

Hey demolition man.

Thanks for the advice!

Yeah I am abit worried that there seems to be a thing that pumping is more for girth than length, as it is length I am after!

I am still very unsure about using this extender which is soon to arrive, the stuff tbirdy told me really put me off! But if pumping is really only for girth I am not too sure!?!

Does anyone know if there is a reason pumping would only affect girth? In my mind pumping would cause equal expansion length wise as it would girth wise so it would simple be a way of gain both length and girth!!!

Also, do you think just 10 mins a day is enough to stimulate ceel growth of done everyday, or would two 10 mins sessions (eg morning and night) be even more effective. I defo dont want to go over the 5gh pressure though!

I think what put me off even looking into the idea of pumping was that everywhere I kep reading, pills and pupms dont work, they only give a temporary increase! But when I think about it, whats the difference between a jelq and a pump, both force more blood into the penis but a pump has the ablility to fill it equally and cause expansion in a more uniform way! Sounds good to me!

Have any of you pumpers recieved good length gains (over a longer period of time of course because I undertsand building new cells takes time)??

gymjohn;291653 said:

Hey demolition man.
Does anyone know if there is a reason pumping would only affect girth? In my mind pumping would cause equal expansion length wise as it would girth wise so it would simple be a way of gain both length and girth!!!

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Pumping isn't only for girth. It's just that girth is the first thing you gain in.

Reason being, when you pump, the expansion starts at the base and gradually works it's way up to the glans.

Once the penis is fully expanded and is touching all sides of the tube, it has nowhere to go but up and thats when it starts to creep upward adding length.

It just takes time, around 3 to 6 months to fill up the entire tube depending on how often you pump and whether you're a fast gainer or not.

If you pump often, you'll fill up the tube faster and your gains will come quicker.

Personally, I've been getting really fast results because I pump nearly everyday for atleast an hour and I typically gain fairly quickly anyway.

All in all, I don't think it would take significantly longer to add length than with an extender. It's just that you'll see length gains first with an extender whereas with a pump, you'll see girth gains first.

Also, do you think just 10 mins a day is enough to stimulate ceel growth of done everyday, or would two 10 mins sessions (eg morning and night) be even more effective. I defo dont want to go over the 5gh pressure though!

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Dude, I pump for atleast an hour nearly everyday broken into 20 minute sessions!

Thats just me though :D

You may want to start out light, but over time, you should definitely increase your pumping sessions until they are an hour.

Like I said, the more time you put into it, the faster your results.

However, SAFETY first! You don't want to overdo it and seriously injure your dick.

You must get a good feel for your own limitations.

I think what put me off even looking into the idea of pumping was that everywhere I kep reading, pills and pupms dont work, they only give a temporary increase! But when I think about it, whats the difference between a jelq and a pump, both force more blood into the penis but a pump has the ablility to fill it equally and cause expansion in a more uniform way! Sounds good to me!

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Trust me, pumping works. People erroneously believe that the post pump engorged effect is permanent when it's really temporary so I guess thats where the notion that pumping is only temporary comes from.

Thing is though, the more you pump, the longer that post pump engorged effect sticks around until one day, it doesn't go away because the caverns and chambers of the penis have become permanently enlarged via the stress that pumping places on the penis..

Have any of you pumpers recieved good length gains (over a longer period of time of course because I undertsand building new cells takes time)??

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I haven't been pumping long enough to experience real length gains yet, but I suspect I will start to see some in my second month of pumping as I'm nearly filling up the tube.....although it does take an hour to do so.

~Demolition Man

Cheers Demolition man

Thanks for your info!

The only thing I would say is that I have been told not to pump for longer than 10 mins, and over time you will still see permenant gains! Do u pump errect and hard? Or flaccid? I have been told (again by tbirdy) thatif you pump from flaccid you get a fluid build up and not proper expansion.

As I have never pumped I cannot personally vouch for what tbirdy says but he seems very wise, I dont think I would like to do more that 10 mins a day or I feel I may be doing more harm than good?!

There have been a few people who have claimed to have gained permanently from using the pump by itself, with many more people arguing the gains faded after a few weeks of not using it. I'd recommend doing at least jelqing to supplement the pumping. Other forms of Penis Enlargement are just as valid, if not moreso, than pumping. Don't dismiss other forms of Penis Enlargement based on what someone thinks. Part of the learning curve is learning what works wells for you (this takes years).

I have been Penis Enlargementing for a few years and pump a few sets at 2-5" hg every other day (along with other exercises) and feel that it is helping to stimulate growth. Pumping is a great add-on to any exercise I believe, and most agree that it has a special therapeutic effect on the penis which no other Penis Enlargement method can compare to.

gymjohn;291708 said:

Cheers Demolition man

Thanks for your info!

The only thing I would say is that I have been told not to pump for longer than 10 mins, and over time you will still see permenant gains! Do u pump errect and hard? Or flaccid? I have been told (again by tbirdy) thatif you pump from flaccid you get a fluid build up and not proper expansion.

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I've been pumping for 1 hour sessions broken into 20 minute segments for a few weeks, and I haven't seen one negative side effect.

Everything I've experienced from pumping has been positive so far.

As far as erect vs flaccid, I don't think it makes much difference.

However, keep in mind that my pump is ELECTRIC and not manual, so it produces a constant vacuum force which may help to reduce fluid build up.

With a manual pump, being erect rather than flaccid might make more of a difference.

As I have never pumped I cannot personally vouch for what tbirdy says but he seems very wise, I dont think I would like to do more that 10 mins a day or I feel I may be doing more harm than good?!

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Well man, I don't know who Tbirdy is so I can't say whether he is wise or knowledgeable.

All I can say is that I've been doing 1 hour sessions almost daily, and I haven't experienced any negative side effects.

I can also say that other long time pumpers (Rod Crowley for instance) on this forum use a similar program and have not had any difficulties as far as I know.

~Demolition Man

10inchadvantage;291772 said:

There have been a few people who have claimed to have gained permanently from using the pump by itself, with many more people arguing the gains faded after a few weeks of not using it.

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From what I've seen, the people that tend to lose the gains they made from pumping never put as much time and effort into it as those who were able to keep their gains.

Alot of guys that pump do so only casually, and thus experience slower gains which often turn out ot be temporary.

Those few that pump seriously however, seem to not only gain faster, but keep their gains aswell.

Rod Crowley comes to mind, plus a few other guys.

~Demolition Man

demolition_man;291821 said:

From what I've seen, the people that tend to lose the gains they made from pumping never put as much time and effort into it as those who were able to keep their gains.

Alot of guys that pump do so only casually, and thus experience slower gains which often turn out ot be temporary.

Those few that pump seriously however, seem to not only gain faster, but keep their gains aswell.

Rod Crowley comes to mind, plus a few other guys.

~Demolition Man

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Touche.

Hey guys.

I am about to purchase a kaplan pump. I think its manual though. Does this make a big difference? I was gonna folow tbirdys adivice and do just 10 mins errect pumpimg everyday. But to stay errect and pump to 5gh...is that difficult...do u have to pump constantly?

Cheers

Manuals don't provide constant vacuum force like electric pumps, so you'll have to pump up to your desired pressure and occassionally re-pump to maintain the pressure otherwise it will dwindle slowly.

10 minutes a day is fine for starting, but after you've wet your feet, you definitely need to increase the duration of the pumping session.

10 minutes in the pump every day will take FOREVER to experience size gains, and even if you do gain (which isn't guaranteed), you might lose it if you stop.

I'd recommend 10 minutes a day for people who are pumping to help them with their E.D.

But for actual size gains, you need to pump for atleast 30 minutes, but preferably an hour.

You can break the session into however many sets, aslong as you end up spending 30 to 60 minutes in the tube total.

And once again just to reiterate, I'm NOT advocating that you start out pumping for 30 to 60 minutes.

You should hit your hour mark in your second or third week of pumping, depending on how fast your dick acclimates to being pumped.

I started pumping for an hour in my second week.

~Demolition Man

Cheers D man!

I guess I will try look for a motorised pump...how much would you pay for a good one? I will try look for vacutech again...last time I googled them I found an extender not a pump?!

I understand that mny guys here think 10 mins is not enough. I am simply going on the advice I have been given by tbirdy. The theory being that its all about consistency every day over a LONG period of time...ie atleast 6 months, and even a ear to gain only an inch. Now of course Id love to gain quicker if possible, but I dont want to damage myself.

It is all very difficult for a serious newbie here, everyone has a different opinion! I guess its a balancing act of potential risk Vs potential gain. In all the months I have Penis Enlargementd I have never injured myself, felt pain, or even had blood spots! But I now there is this arguement raging about if Penis Enlargement can actually cause or fight ED! Ant then if you start to worry...shit I may have ED, then chances are you will worry and this will make your errection softer and harder to achieve, then you worry 100 times more. This happened to me the other day! I was really worried jelqing had damaged me! Then the next morning I managed to achcive a pretty hard errection, pretty much a throbbing one. I dunno.

But I still BADLY want to increase my size so I guess I must go through all this to find something which safely works for me!

gymjohn;292342 said:

I guess I will try look for a motorised pump...how much would you pay for a good one? I will try look for vacutech again...last time I googled them I found an extender not a pump?!

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Well the biggest downside of electric pumps is the cost. They give you faster results (or so the manufacturers claim, and I personally believe it because I've had truly excellent results so far) and probably minimize fluid build up due to their constant vacuum force, but they are far more expensive than a manual.

The one I bought I paid $395.00 plus shipping and handling, so it came up to $420.00.

VacuTech's best manual system cost about a 1/3 of the price for the electric.

Here is their website

I understand that mny guys here think 10 mins is not enough. I am simply going on the advice I have been given by tbirdy. The theory being that its all about consistency every day over a LONG period of time...ie atleast 6 months, and even a ear to gain only an inch. Now of course Id love to gain quicker if possible, but I dont want to damage myself.

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Well, it's up to you man. Tbirdy is right that if you take things slower, you're going to minimize the chances of injury significantly.

However, the flipside is that the results will come MUCH slower, and they may not be permanent.

Thats the nature of pumping. You get what you put into it.

The guys that gain the fastest and have the most permanency tend to be the guys that pump for atleast an hour a day with little time off.

They are the serious pumpers, and use pumping as their PRIMARY means of achieving size increase.

The guys that pump only for 10 or 20 minutes a day can be called casual pumpers at best, and for them, pumping probably isn't their primary method of attaining growth.

These guys are probably just using pumping as a boost to their own program.

It is all very difficult for a serious newbie here, everyone has a different opinion! I guess its a balancing act of potential risk Vs potential gain. In all the months I have Penis Enlargementd I have never injured myself, felt pain, or even had blood spots! But I now there is this arguement raging about if Penis Enlargement can actually cause or fight ED! Ant then if you start to worry...shit I may have ED, then chances are you will worry and this will make your errection softer and harder to achieve, then you worry 100 times more. This happened to me the other day! I was really worried jelqing had damaged me! Then the next morning I managed to achcive a pretty hard errection, pretty much a throbbing one. I dunno.

But I still BADLY want to increase my size so I guess I must go through all this to find something which safely works for me!

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Well dude, it's your penis not mine. You can do whatever you want with it

Safety is a primary concern ofcourse, but so is getting results.

Like you said, we all have to do a balancing act and find the best ratio between getting good results, and not injuring ourselves.

This ratio is different for every man. What my dick can handle, may utterly devastate your dick, and vice versa.

The only way to know is to bite the bullet however..

~Demolition Man

Cheers D man

Yeah I guess your right, there is no way of really knowing our limits until we push I guess. I think all this talk of permanant ED from quite literaly something like one jelq session really freaked me out...I mean a bruise or slight limpness which lasts a day or week is easy enough to deal with, but I guess all this other stuff scared me!

BTW, do u pump erect ? If so, do u find it difficult to stay errect for such long durations, ie 10-20 mins at a time? Is the milking the tube technique effective for keeping you erect?

gymjohn;292487 said:

Cheers D man

Yeah I guess your right, there is no way of really knowing our limits until we push I guess. I think all this talk of permanant ED from quite literaly something like one jelq session really freaked me out...I mean a bruise or slight limpness which lasts a day or week is easy enough to deal with, but I guess all this other stuff scared me!

BTW, do u pump erect ? If so, do u find it difficult to stay errect for such long durations, ie 10-20 mins at a time? Is the milking the tube technique effective for keeping you erect?

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Milking the tube is awesome. It feels even better when you have the tube filled with warm water.

hey guys

So is the idea when pumping (especially for length gains) to have a tube/cylinder which is not much bigger than your girth. My girth is not massive...about 4.5 to 5 I think? So what size of tube should I have?

If you go into the tube/cylinder erect do you want to be touching the sides of the tube if your trying to add mostly length?

I think I will try a manual pump for now probably the kaplan one!

gymjohn;292487 said:

BTW, do u pump erect ? If so, do u find it difficult to stay errect for such long durations, ie 10-20 mins at a time? Is the milking the tube technique effective for keeping you erect?

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Yes, I do try and pump erect, but it can be difficult to sustain a full erection for the entire duration of the exercise (an hour or more for me).....even if you milk the tube.

You'll find that the longer the duration of the exercise, the harder it is keep erect, mostly because your penis is being pushed far beyond it's normal expansion and keeping it fully engorged can be quite a task.

However, it gets easier with time as your penis adapts to the greater expansion caused by the pump. The more I pump, the easier it is for me to maintain erections both inside the tube aswell as outside.

The last 15 minutes of my exercise is when I find it the most difficult to hold an erection, but it's getting easier and easier.

���� can help aswell, but over time you're likely to become densensitized to it. This is probably the hardest thing about trying to maintain an erection.

Finding something to stimulate you sexually that doesn't become boring.

I might try getting some Cialis or Viagra, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it as I don't have a problem with fluid build up.

gymjohn;292505 said:

hey guys

So is the idea when pumping (especially for length gains) to have a tube/cylinder which is not much bigger than your girth. My girth is not massive...about 4.5 to 5 I think? So what size of tube should I have?

If you go into the tube/cylinder erect do you want to be touching the sides of the tube if your trying to add mostly length?

I think I will try a manual pump for now probably the kaplan one!

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If you're looking more for length than girth, then a thickwall cylinder would be your best bet. They are designed specifically for those looking to increase length.

Flared cylinders (which is what I use) targets both length and girth, but you don't see length gains until you've fully expanded and hitting all sides of the chamber. Thats when your dick has no choice but to go upward, increasing length.

Thickwall cylinders are narrower apparently, so they force the expansion upward more readily than the flared cylinders.

Since I've been pumping for a little over a month, I've already gained an estimated 1/2 an inch in girth, and about 1/4 inch in length.

The extra length however is because my head size is bigger, and not because the entire penis is longer.

My starting measurements were 7.5 inch length and 5.5 inch girth, so now I'm 7.75 inch length and 6 inch girth.

As I expected, girth gains are coming along more rapidly than length, so what I'm doing now is wearing an extender between pumping sessions to speed up my length gains.

Eventually, I want to end up around 8.5 inch length and 6.5 inch girth.

~Demolition Man

Ahhh I see. This makes sense! So if the penis is touching the sides of the tube the vacuum will cause an upward expansion! Sounds good

So its a thickwall cylinder I need! many thanks d man!

Yes i must admit I am a bit worried about keeping hard! I guess we could always split the sessions into maybe two or three 10-20 min sessions per day?

...and congrats on your gain Great stuff! I am sure you will achieve your goal!

So is it common to but separate cylinders if your looking for a very specific one eg a thickwall one? Or must you but a whole package of pump and thickwall cylinder? Ive noticed some penis pumps dont even display the size of cylinder!

You don't have to buy a cylinder and a pump as a whole package. You can buy them separately if you want.

I don't think Dr. Kaplan makes thickwall cylinders though. As far as I know, only VacuTech makes them, because it was them that pioneered that type of cylinder.

Still it shouldn't matter as I believe that all cylinders and pumps use the same connector.

~Demolition Man

Half an inch in girth in a month? That's like gaining an inch in length in a month. Have you just started pumping?