For The PE Doubters, Ponder This...

The penis is not only, nerves, skin, blood vessels, they also have receptors for DHT and other hormones and chemicals like growth fact Pge-2 AND elastin, when we clamp and edge an abundant of these are released and tramped in the penis, which makes them moe effective the next time we clamp or edge, making the penis harder.
Jelqing on the other hand is inflammatory and can lead to penis deformity.
Warmin up the penis also releases more elastin, which make the penis more elastic and less prone to damage.

there are a lot of people on here who have complained about uneven chamber increases and some have created techniques to remedy this, due to the fact not enough elastin was present in their penis. Some have also complained about enlarged blood vessels, and painful erections. So i believe you stand corrected. You also say your penis is above 90 degrees in erect state, but it should be 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock.

I dont know what to believe, I just will train with the advice SMW gave me. Why cant you guys agree to disagree.

when it comes to muscle gains my workout are VERY different from the norm but I keep gaining.But when I give advice to others the first thing they do is disagree with me but I keep changing and they look the same all year long.

There are just things in life that most will not agree on. And its safe to say Penis Enlargement is one of them.

crazy-horse;364269 said:

there are a lot of people on here who have complained about uneven chamber increases and some have created techniques to remedy this, due to the fact not enough elastin was present in their penis. Some have also complained about enlarged blood vessels, and painful erections. So i believe you stand corrected. You also say your penis is above 90 degrees in erect state, but it should be 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock.

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LOL I stand corrected based on your personal assumption. I have not said ''absolutely nobody ever had an issue related to (insert Penis Enlargement TYPenis Enlargement)...'' Nor did I say ''The penis is composed completely of, and ONLY of.....''. Get off your box already. Think what you want. You're free to. Do what you want. I'm just speaking from a LONG experience, and knowing many men online and some in person who do Penis Enlargement. A ''1 o'clock, or 2 o'clock'' erection angle is very high. If that's what yours is good for you. Mine is around 2:05 GMT. If you're here to argue so be it. I'll argue back until I feel like we're going nowhere and then lock the thread.

Girth Hammer;364272 said:

when it comes to muscle gains my workout are VERY different from the norm but I keep gaining.But when I give advice to others the first thing they do is disagree with me but I keep changing and they look the same all year long.

There are just things in life that most will not agree on. And its safe to say Penis Enlargement is one of them.

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Exactly, and some people just like to carry on, and on, and pick apart every little detail looking for their ''Ah HA!'' to try and disprove what someone said. If you don't agree with me, or anyone...that's your choice. You're no less or better of a man for disagreeing. Accept that you disagree, and leave it at that.

I just wanted to know if stretching my penis tendon 3 inches will lower my erection angle, you gained 2 inches with no loss of erection angle right?

crazy-horse;364277 said:

I just wanted to know if stretching my penis tendon 3 inches will lower my erection angle, you gained 2 inches with no loss of erection angle right?

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So far, and from what I can best recollect. I came into Penis Enlargement not really having ever cared about my penis, its size, or wondering if I was ''big enough''. My penis had always been just something I urinated with, and enjoyed when masturbating. I'm willing to bet (though I know I can't prove it), the penis ligaments actually stretch very little and that the penis is what is stretched mostly. I'm not here to lay that down as a concrete fact though. Honestly, I could care less about the ''how'' of my penis getting bigger. I just know it has.

I disagree with the warm up before. when i warm up it kills my cock and my girth workouts suck. I never warm up and its working for me.

crazy-horse;364268 said:

Jelqing on the other hand is inflammatory and can lead to penis deformity.

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Penile deformity is the goal of Penis Enlargement. Girth work, length work all deforms penile tissue to allow for expansion.

doublelongdaddy;364289 said:

Penile deformity is the goal of Penis Enlargement. Girth work, length work all deforms penile tissue to allow for expansion.

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Oh hell, you just opened the proverbial ''can o' worms''.

There's a warning there somewhere, I'm sure of it.

Also remember the bigger the dick the harder they fuck! haha had to post it in.

nice examples for the weaker minded members who have doubt in pe.

I'll chime in with my 2 bits...not that my opinions hold any more weight than the next.

Enlarging of the penis is proven to be possible. There are medical studies that have tested and validate this.

Penis enlargement can occur through deformation of the tissues and subsequent increases in collagen and scar tissues brought on by inflammation. Penis enlargement can occur through applied traction force (ADS) which can stimulate cell division and growth. Penis enlargement can also occur through hormonal manipulation and androgen receptor activation. All these methods are proven through medical study.

What we are collectivelly learning is how to combine these methods into the most productive method which well yield success to all interested parties.

Disagreements are an inescapable eventuallity with Penis Enlargement because as yet this is'nt a cut and dry knowledge. Look at bodybuilding for example. There are tried and true methods with provide results yet there is still much debate about which system works best and how it works.

Penis Enlargement is still in it's infancy. Fact is that "yes" penis enlargement works. How and why is varied depending on which path or combination you take. Results gained from heavy, intense hanging come from a different physiological responce than do results from edging and ballooning. Finding the combination of physical stimulus and hormonal is the key.

Clamping and pumping work partly in that oxygen deprivation (hypoxia) stimulates vascular growth. Diet can influence androgen receptors quantity and sensitivity and hormone levels. Force can stimulate deformation and light traction over extended time stimulated cellular division. Being too agressive with your penis will cause inflammation which results in the temporary illusion of growth due to swelling.

Soon we will master this or I hope so. I've been at this for 20 years.

I forgot to add, last but not least and number 1 in my opinion. The jelq.

Jelqing works because it combines elements of all methods of penis enlargement.

The jelq is an art more than an exercise. For the jelq to become trully productive one must develop the mind/body mastery. The jelq stretches tissues and vascular stucture which stimulates cellular division through mechanical force. The jelq is a sexual act. You need to allow the move to arouse and stimulate you, to bring you to the edge. This activates the hormonal effects by increasing androgen receptor quantity and sensitivity, while simutaneously stimulating hormonal production, both androgens and prostaglandins.

Bottom line is Penis EnlargementNIS ENLARGEMENT IS REAL. It occurs on many different levels.

so in effect when the jelq is done during erection, it is a form of ballooning and edging, sort of clamping without the clamp?

crazy-horse;364414 said:

so in effect when the jelq is done during erection, it is a form of ballooning and edging, sort of clamping without the clamp?

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Yes very basically. There are variations of the jelq of course. I won't steal the other guys thunder though. Maybe he'll chime in as well.

The jelq combines elements of mechanical force and hormonal influence to stimulate growth. The physical act of jelq stimulates the release of vascular relaxing factors and prostaglandins, especially PGE-1 which promotes relaxation of the vessels and tissues. If you notice, sometimes you have a great jelq session where your penis expands and swells with every stroke and another time the session just does'nt seem to be as good. This has alot to do with PGE-1. Excessive and hard jelqing can also produce inflammatory prostaglandins, not good. Result being inflammatory swelling and soreness, not to be confused with hypertrophy of the penis (growth).

PGE-1 is necessary for erection to occur. When the tissues of the penis have sufficient PGE-1 levels, the mechanical forces of jelqing allow the tissues to stretch to their maximum. This enables maximum engorgement of the tissues with nutrient and hormone rich blood. The body responds to these physical stresses by increasing cellular division to accomodate the pressure of the forced blood squeezed in by jelqing.

When the neuroendocrine system becomes sexually aroused, a cascade of hormonal changes occur. Testosterone levels increase and the conversion of testosterone via 5-alpha reductase to the more androgenic metabolite, dihydrotestosterone (DHT) increases in the tissues of the penis and accessory organs of the genitals (seminal vesicals, prostate, cowpers glands, testicles, ect). In responce to the increase androgen production, androgen receptors which are abundant in the genitals will increase in quantity and sensitivity to circulating androgens. Testosterone and especially dihydrotestosterone are essential for the function, maintainance and development of the genitals.

These are medically proven facts. Penis enlargement works and there should be no doubting this reality. It is time tested. Men have been enlarging there penis's since we figured out that it feels good to touch it.

Doubt exists because of misapplied technique, resulting in failure.

Thank's stillwantmore2 for starting this thread. Elimination of doubt in the mind is absolutely necessary for success.

Stillwantmore2 provided some great examples at the start of this thread, showing that the body is capable of great physical change.

Believe, concieve and achieve.