Dispelling the Myth

You can have three fingers removed and still pick something up. Doesn't mean I'd want three of my fingers removed. Your argument that circumcision is fine because it leaves the penis functional is weak. You can father children with one testicle, too. How about we remove one testicle at birth, too?

Male circumcision is different than female circumcision?!?! Don't you know what the foreskin is?!?! It is the source of most of a male's sensation during sex. Without it, you are left with just the stimulation given by the glans and what little nerves remain in the scar tissue and the inner mucosal remnant.

Educate yourself, man!

The entire penis is NOT sensitive to stimulation. Most of the skin that remains after a circumcision is ordinary skin, no more sensitive than the skin on the back of your hand. If you believe that the entire penis is like one big clitoris, then a man should be able to get off by rubbing the base of his cock. :s
 
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Like I have said before, the ridged band on a man's foreskin is analagous to the woman's clitoris. The glans has been described as relatively insensitive compared to the ridged band. The band consists of millions of touch-sensitive nerves. The glans is less sensitive because it sometimes has to "headbutt" so to speak into the vaginal walls. Imagine smacking a woman's clitoris as hard as you hit your glans into her vaginal wall! Male and female circumcision is essentially the same thing! You are removing the most sensitive part of the genitals. And anything you say against that statement is INVALID, because this has been PROVEN. There are millions more touch-sensitive nerves in the ridged band, way more than in the glans, and this is an INDISPUTABLE FACT. You can plug your ears and not listen, or turn your head away from the computer screen. But to argue against what I just said will only confirm your ignorance.
 
Hmm, well what about some of the members here who have actaully regrown a full coverage such as German Stallion whose FR was accidental and only a result of his Penis Enlargement. He stated that there was no noticable difference in the new level of satisfaction. Makes one wonder...
 
Like we've said before, the increased pleasure is subjective. Not all men will experience it. This is a different thing than the pleasure of a cut/restored man vs the pleasure of an intact man. The intact man has his entire ridged band still. But for the cut man, no amount of FR will restore those millions of touch-sensitive nerves. Most cut men lose the entire ridged band with no hope of regaining it, and very few are lucky enough to have a very small portion of it left. The increase in pleasure for a restored man is probably due to the dekeratinisation of the glans, and the fact that the glans isn't rubbing against your clothing all day. Even still, the amount of pleasure we regain is not much compared to an intact man, because as I said before, the glans is relatively insensitive compared to the ridged band.
 
If it weren't for the original pioneers who believed that Penis Enlargement was possible we may not have the miracle we all share today. It is the rebels and risk takers that forge new methods of change. RED eating ferns is along the same lines as SUPRA injecting HGH into his penis, risky, rebellious but necessary for progress, successful or not.

A good forum is not made up of one line of thought. If we all thought the same way it would be the stigma that limits us from making progress. The diversity of our forum is what make MoS so successful and it is this diversity that drives us to make advancements from the normally accepted methods of progress. An intelligent forum is not made up of drones who limit themselves to one way of belief, it is made up of people who question authority, challenge popular opinion and introduce new, fresh outlooks on the normal way of doing things.

Foreskin restoration has allot of support and with anything in life it will have its opponents. Intelligent, civilized debate is the most powerful tool to progress.

I also want to point out the value of psychosomatic belief. The ROP, although extremely controversial and ambiguous in its real success, helped many guys stay hopeful and consistent in the parts of Penis Enlargement that do in-fact work. Does it work? I can only give my experience with it and for me it did aid in more frequent erections. I am not sure if this was psychosomatic or truly a physical change but it did give me a real confidence that benefitted me in more way than the real effectiveness of the ROP.
 
GS has been trying to help me regrow mine through PMs and by responding to my posts. He's a nice guy. I don't think I recall ever seeing him say there was no difference. Maybe I missed that or forgot about it. He is also the only member here who has gotten such complete recoverage, not one of the many, many members, as your post implies. As I have stated time and time and time again, the results will vary depending on each person. If you restore for three months and nothing changes, then you can decide whether you want to continue or not. If you are like me and executioner and a few other guys, you will notice a dramatic difference. You may be like cyclops and notice improvement, but not the mind-blowing difference that we have. You may be like GS and notice little (if that be the case?). Like I said time and time and time again, it all depends on how much damage was done by the original circumcision, how tight you were cut, what was cut off, etc. Cyclops still has his frenelum. It is an extremely sensitive organ. Mine was partially removed. I believe all of ex's was cut off. It all makes a difference. Unless you are open to the idea and willing to give it a go, you are never ever going to know what it could do for you. All the rest is just prejudice and fear.
 
Skepdick said:
You obviously understood my intentions with this post and I am happy for that. I think there are many warning signs already for FR. A lot of bullshit is being discussed so openly and matter-of-factly that it risks becoming accepted as common knowledge. If 10 of the highly acclaimed members of an online forum said they drank 3 gallons of rancid goat piss at each meal and make a bunch of posts discussing it at length that said it accounted for their record gains in length and girth many of the members would take it as a scientific fact that a direct correlation exist between goat piss consumption and faster penis enlargement gains. No one questions the science behind it!!! And we can't wait until the problem is already right out on the table, affecting every aspect of the forum at its core because by that point the damage is done. Once again, do a search for the words "Ring of Power" and review the history of that bullshit hoax if you don't believe me, FR makes many identical claims, and it only gets worse each week.
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While, I wasn't around for the ROP speal I do know a little bit about being upset when shit doesn't happen for you that you were told would happen. Especially when money is involved. Whether the people made it themselves or bought one from someone money was involved either case. I agree with the italicized part, but think the bold part was a little too discouraging to me. Your emotions toward the subject ring clear, but the stuff in bold text (it is just messing around I know and it was funny) is lacking in poignancy in my mind because it appears while (and I know you don't think it is yet to the level the ROP topic became) you are expressing your frustrations about some of the benefits mentioned in this sub forum only it appears that it came from the past frustrations with the ROP. Like you couldn't separate the two even despite your admitance that they weren't quite the same. You disagree with things said that might be percieved as fact, but is merely a personal (thus subjective) observation. I understand that. I just have to say that propaganda is one thing, but trying to push a product with propaganda like that is another because then people are out umpteen bucks and possibly without benefit one. I don't see Kong selling weighted cone devices anytime soon. It's something he feels just as passionately about as perhaps you feel about people being potentially decieved and this board being discredited. Kong doesn't see what he has posted that way. I think the only thing that needs to be addressed is that Kong and you disagree and that is that and needs to be squashed because like the benefits of FR and the reasons you two don't agree are subjective in themselves. You two can agree on this though obviously. You don't want this forum to be disgraced or discredited in any way. If we find FR ROP's or something to that effect for sale in his signature then we might really have ourselves something to debate about.

And I Fully understand what you're saying...you don't want to see someone else's insecurities exploited based on false premises. I know. I don't either. I just think or would like to hope that most of us are smart enough to know when we are no longer thinking for ourselves and will be able to tell if or when they are being duped. No offense to the ROP backers either. If they work for you then great. I just have read some of the posts about the ROP and really am skeptical about some of the benefits claimed.
 
I don't know guys. All I know is I think circumcision is a crude and desentizing qualm of the past (about our bodies...the bad things we think and do...oooh) and all this debate over what it can and cannot do makes me realize how hard it is to overcome the things that were and still are for some reason hardly questioned especially anymore because it's a part of not only our birth, but a decision in parenthood as well. Why is it done is what I want to know? I mean I never knew of FR till I came to this site. I always thought it was the right thing to have done. I never questioned or thought of what it was to not be circumsized. I used to think the uncircumsized dick was ugly, but damn it's natural if nothing else. I am always one to question and be a skeptic and investigate things for myself so that the truth is uncovered. Or at least enough of it to make a decision. And right now one of the many things I do not understand but want to is why is it done now? I'd like to know. I don't want to post anything on here if and when I find something from the net or a book or anything about it. It'll be for me because I don't want to be presumed to be a pusher for FR. Anything to do with the penis is between it and the male that it belongs. Those are my 2 cents for today.
 
9cyclops9 said:
Really if you think about it, FR is nowhere near the ROP. Lets look at it.

Supra claimed that the ROP did the following:

harder erections
bigger size
bigger balls
lower balls
more testosterone
clear skin
more body hair
deeper voice
more muscle mass
less fat
bigger loads (to the tune of 20-25 spurts)
much shorter refraction times
end premature ejaculation
more intense orgasms

And probably more, but those are the things that I can remember off the top of my head. And whats more, the claim wasn't that this stuff was possible, it was that you WILL have these effects.

Ojective FR benefits (borrowed from Kong):

Dekeratinization of the glans
Increased skin mobility
Reduction in the "turkey neck" syndrome from overly tight circs
Reduction of the "hairy shaft" syndrome from overly tight circs
Reduction of penis curvature from overly tight circs
Improved flaccid hang
Improved circulation
Creation of new, supple skin tissue
Reduction of stretch marks from overly tight circ

Subjective FR benefits (also from Kong...note: these are all based on anecdotal evidence, and should not be taken as fact. Some men may experience them, some may not)

Increased sexual pleasure
Increased horniness
Better erections
Increased comfort (no rubbing against underwear)
Sense of wholeness, of healing, of being a complete man
Increased sense of confidence
Blistering, mind-numbing full body orgasms
New foreskin is fun to play with!
Increased control during sex
Increased comfort and pleasure for female partner-- due to the gliding effect

No comparison to the ROP. And for those of you that think the foresking is only a flap of skin, I'll repeat what has been said many times. You are ignorant! Whether by choice or not, I don't care, but you are ignorant. Let's take a look at the many uses of a foreskin, shall we?

Sexual
1 Erotic pleasure, especially via the ridged band and Meissner's corpuscles
2 Acts as a rolling bearing in intercourse and masturbation
3 Prevents dyspareunia (painful intercourse)
4 Stimulates partner's genitalia, giving erotic pleasure
5 Supplies skin to cover the shaft in erection and prevent tightness
6 Stores pheromones and releases them on arousal
7 Stores and releases natural lubricants ("smega" and pre-ejaculatory fluid)
8 Makes the glans a visual signal of sexual arousal
9 Provides a seal against the vaginal wall to contain semen

Protective
10 Prevents the glans becoming keratinised, and keeps it soft and moist
11 Protects the thin-skinned glans against injury
12 Protects the nerves of the glans, retaining their erotic function
13 In infancy, protects the urethra against contamination, meatal stenosis, (and UTIs?)
14 Provides lysosomes for bacteriostatic action around the glans
15 Pigmented, it protects the unpigmented glans against sunburn
16 Vascular (rich in blood vessels that bring heat to the tissues), it protects the less vascular glans against frostbite, as Sir Ranulph Fiennes found on his epic transpolar walk.

Other
17 Provides skin for grafts to burnt eyelids, reconstructive surgery, etc.
18 Storage of contact lenses, smuggled jewels, etc

Now those last two things are a bit odd, but you can see what functions a foreskin has. Also check out http://www.circumstitions.com/Notjustaflap.html for reasons why it isn't just a flap of skin.

Now here's something called "The Lost List." It's a list of things that are lost to circumcision, and which ones can be restored, and which ones are lost forever.

http://www.norm.org/lost.html

Check out www.circumstitions.org and educate yourselves on what you're arguing against, because you're obviously ignorant. You can't present a good argument if you don't even understand your opposition.
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Jesus! Good post! I never knew so much was taken from my penis. Damn that pretty much sucks. That "lost list" link what it said here : "The soft mucosa (inner foreskin) contains its own immunological defense system which produces plasma cells. These cells secrete immunoglobulin antibodies as well as antibacterial and antiviral proteins, including the pathogen killing enzyme lysozyme."

Man, and we wonder how AIDS formed jk lol...we've been killing our own defenses for viruses and VD or something? Is this what that is basically saying that through circumcision we no longer have that line of defense against viruses and pathogens in the penis? I mean about the HIV/AIDS thing serious immunodeficiencies/lack of antibodies is a big reason OBVIOUSLY why they can't fight back against the things wrong or that could go wrong in their bodies so maybe there is something to that...Shit I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Ignore that. But seriosuly I had no clue that circumcision was that bad. Fuck. I was just trying FR for the sexual benefits. :s
 
Well it wouldn't protect against HIV/AIDS, but it would protect vs infections and the like.
 
iwant8inches said:
While, I wasn't around for the ROP speal I do know a little bit about being upset when shit doesn't happen for you that you were told would happen. Especially when money is involved.
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Not to go too off-topic here but the thing about the ROP is many paying customers were reporting these changes and/or gains made with the product. If you look over the ROP threads you will see that many people were praising its effectiveness. Mass-Hysteria? Who knows but for a minute it came across as the best thing since sliced bread.
 
doublelongdaddy said:
Not to go too off-topic here but the thing about the ROP is many paying customers were reporting these changes and/or gains made with the product. If you look over the ROP threads you will see that many people were praising its effectiveness. Mass-Hysteria? Who knows but for a minute it came across as the best thing since sliced bread.
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Very good point. One of my major worries is that the few people here who ARE making extreme claims about how much benefits they received from FR (and not everybody who attempts FR is talking about how wonderful it is) are deluding themselves. We saw many of the biggest supporters of the ROP turn on it and admit after the fact that they really did not get any substantial effects from it.

What does this tell us? Never underestimate the power of stupid/naive people in large groups. I am not necessarily implying that the members here are unintelligent, but I think that many people will go along with the cult-like mentality and praise FR, whether it is working or not. I guess it makes a guy feel better to think that all of his time and effort spent tugging on his circ scar is causing a tremendous improvement in his sexual prowess. The powers of denial are not to be underestimated, people hate to think that their beloved FR is a circus act so they convince themselves that it has added to their dick size, dropped their nuts, caused "mind numbing full body orgasms" (a direct quote from none other than Kong himself), increased stamina, ect...Posting their illusionary gains is a very common outlet of their denial, probably the main thing they do to back it all up in their mind.
 
Denial goes both ways. I can also say you are in denial...denial that you were mutilated and damaged as a child by circumcision.

How do you know FR hasn't given me mind-numbing full body orgasms? Have you been sneaking into my bedroom at night again? :D Dude, it has made a huge impact for me. I realize that it doesn't make as big a difference for everyone...and I have always said that. Once again, I think you have me confused with Supra and FR confused with the ROP. Get over it. What, did you send some money to Supra and not get a refund when it didn't work for you? :D

I also think it is kinda arrogant for you to think that everyone on this forum is so naive and stupid that they can't think for themselves... except for you. Also, your fear that FR will become a cult is laughable. I don't know about you, but I don't think a 3 year program of skin expansion is something to be undertaken lightly, and its not exactly an easy sell no matter what you promise. "Benefits? Cool. How long does it take? 1 to 3 years? Okay... I'll get back to you!" It not like you get it in the mail and put it on, buddy! :D It's hard work. You have to stay determined. You have to get hyped over every single advance, because 3 years drags, man...it drags..
 
Dude, Skepdick. Do you even read? These things are all subjective!! Some guys may experience them, and some may not! What cult-like mentality are you talking about? Seriously man, do you think we're trying to brainwash people? It's obvious if you read the FR Benefits post, which is a sticky at the top of this forum, that NOT ALL GUYS WILL EXPenis EnlargementRIENCE ALL OF THESE BENEFITS. I mean what the hell do you want us to say? That FR is a crock of shit and there are no benefits whatsoever, and all you'll end up with is an extra flap of skin that you don't need (I've already showed you why that one is false)? If guys feel they need to claim benefits that they aren't experiencing, it isn't anybody's fault but THAT Penis EnlargementRSON. We have not brainwashed anybody. It's very clear what they can expect, and what other benefits they might experience (but aren't guaranteed to). But it's pretty obvious that you won't be satisfied until we announce that everything we said was a lie, and that there is absolutely no merit to FR, and erase this board from MOS. Not gonna happen!

Excuse me for being cliche, but if you don't like FR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ ABOUT IT!! But you will not shut us up about it just because you disagree with us. Your opinion is not true, nor can you prove anything we have said wrong.

However, if you can offer ANY proof to back up what you have said, please do. Otherwise quit making these posts, because they have absolutely no merit, and they are bringing down the quality of this forum.
 
9cyclops9 said:
Dude, Skepdick. Do you even read? These things are all subjective!! Some guys may experience them, and some may not! What cult-like mentality are you talking about? Seriously man, do you think we're trying to brainwash people? It's obvious if you read the FR Benefits post, which is a sticky at the top of this forum, that NOT ALL GUYS WILL EXPenis EnlargementRIENCE ALL OF THESE BENEFITS. I mean what the hell do you want us to say? That FR is a crock of shit and there are no benefits whatsoever, and all you'll end up with is an extra flap of skin that you don't need (I've already showed you why that one is false)? If guys feel they need to claim benefits that they aren't experiencing, it isn't anybody's fault but THAT Penis EnlargementRSON. We have not brainwashed anybody. It's very clear what they can expect, and what other benefits they might experience (but aren't guaranteed to). But it's pretty obvious that you won't be satisfied until we announce that everything we said was a lie, and that there is absolutely no merit to FR, and erase this board from MOS. Not gonna happen!

Excuse me for being cliche, but if you don't like FR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ ABOUT IT!! But you will not shut us up about it just because you disagree with us. Your opinion is not true, nor can you prove anything we have said wrong.

However, if you can offer ANY proof to back up what you have said, please do. Otherwise quit making these posts, because they have absolutely no merit, and they are bringing down the quality of this forum.
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Might want to calm down there bud, you seem to be quite up in arms in more of your posts about FR. And one of the very first things I said on the topic of FR is that I think it is possible and might have some merit.
 
Hey, everybody! Foreskin Restoration just made me psychic!

I know what you're thinking, but it's true!
 
kong1971 said:
Also, your fear that FR will become a cult is laughable. I don't know about you, but I don't think a 3 year program of skin expansion is something to be undertaken lightly, and its not exactly an easy sell no matter what you promise. "Benefits? Cool. How long does it take? 1 to 3 years? Okay... I'll get back to you!" It not like you get it in the mail and put it on, buddy! :D It's hard work. You have to stay determined. You have to get hyped over every single advance, because 3 years drags, man...it drags..
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Kong I think you've pointed out a major flaw in Skepdick's argument. Nobody is really going to keep doing FR as long as it takes if they're really not seeing a difference. You know why? Because it's a pain in the ass! You think it's enjoyable for me to strap on my cross tape? No! And I have to remove it every time I go pee, and then put it back on. Which means I can't pee at a urinal, I have to go to the stall. Now I have a weighted cone that millionman sent me (the homebrew one that SWM came up with) in exchange for me sending him a Captn's Wench, and wearing this cone all day is no walk in the park either. If I weren't seeing some definite results I wouldn't be putting myself through this. Self-delusion? I think not. Deceived by the FR community? Nope! My glans and my fenulum are without a doubt more sensitive, and my glans is definitely shedding some of the layer of keratinisation.
 
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