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Please bear with me - this will probably be a long post, so I apologize in advance, but a few things really got me thinking about this and I'd like to lay it out & get your opinions.....
Two recent threads - by REDZULU2003 & DLD - started this, and I can't turn it loose.
(1) DLD theorized that some guys might have done forms of Penis Enlargement, unbeknownst to themselves, which might have given them longer than average cocks. I believe the thread was to the effect that this would explain size discrepancies between some extremely large guys. Well, I'm not so sure that I believe that only this would explain differences (I grew up with 2 buddies who were huge - 1 was 10" & the other had to be nearly 9" - and they were gigantic even as 12 & 13 yr old boys), but I started wondering about various masturbation techniques, nervous habits like tugging on one's dick, etc.
(2) REDZULU2003 then struck me with a post about Loose Skin/Hair up shaft theories.....
At first I answered that I always had hair up my shaft....but then this started to stew in my cranium (this post coupled with DLD's) and then I realized something......
*I was an accidental Penis Enlargement'er!!*
I took another look at my shaft base & hairline & realized that their was a difference about 0.5" up the shaft. And I remembered something I was fond of doing as an adolescent: When I was rock hard, I would get a burning pleasurable/painful sensation by slowly pushing down against my erection. I had no clue in hell that this could stretch my ligs, or that I even had ligs!, I just did it as a habit when I jerked off. It was kind of a scary, dangerous thing that gave me a burning, tingling pleasure. So, I did this probably every time I jerked it, for at least 5 or 6 years....and probably added a 1/2" to my length .....that 1/2" of wrinkly skin & hair that climbs my shaft.
Then I reconsidered my masturbation technique. I've always grabbed my penis firmly, and against the base. I'm cut, but I've always had enough "play" in my skin to slide it up and down - even when I'm rock hard. And my head is a sensitive region - I don't like contact with it while jerking myself, so I always kept my hand low. In other words, I was doing "erect dry jelqs." Only, I was doing them up and down - of course. This could explain my pretty good girth (5.25 midshaft, 5.5 base when I began deliberate Penis Enlargement) - from the up stroke - and also some weakening of my erections - from the down stroke. This is why we should not jelq towards the body (unless we're clamping at the base) - because we can end up enhancing our penile drainage system also (not a good thing).
Isn't that weird? I Penis Enlargement'd before I ever even knew what Penis Enlargement was! I did downward erect stretches , & erect dry jelqs - both ways. Left me with wrinkly skin & hair 0.5" up my base, a fairly thick penis, & mild erectile problems which, ironically worsened as I got older - forcing me to find "deliberate" Penis Enlargement!
And, so, here I am!
Any thoughts??
 
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I did exactly the same from, I think, 14-18years old (now I'm 35), and ended up with approx.6.5"x5.3-5.5" and a pretty low erection angle for my age back then(95degr. to the floor).
12years later, before starting deliberate Penis Enlargement, the length was decreased by something like .3-.4" :(

But that's all long time ago.... :D

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Wait just a gosh darn second here.... Doesn't EVERYBODY have hair that goes up their shaft??? That IS normal I believe! I have always had it since puberty. It goes damn near half way up my shaft.
 
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Originally posted by seven_wants_ten
Hair going up the shaft is from when they pull the skin up during a circ.
I tend to agree on that.
Nevertheless I think that this pushing down on erections ASO had still some positive effect on my dick, even when 6.5" is not that much.
My brothers dick was maybe not much shorter but a lot tinier that time. And we have very similar body-composition for all other parts(incl.face) and he received some testosterone-injections during puberty to cure some problem with his balls. You can still see the effect on body-hair this produced for him (rest of the males of the families from both sides incl. myself have all none to very little hair on the chest and stomach).
IMO he should have the larger one but he never had.
And will never have thanks Penis Enlargement :D

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Originally posted by pole
I did exactly the same from, I think, 14-18years old (now I'm 35), and ended up with approx.6.5"x5.3-5.5" and a pretty low erection angle for my age back then(95degr. to the floor).
12years later, before starting deliberate Penis Enlargement, the length was decreased by something like .3-.4" :(

But that's all long time ago.... :D

pole
Pole, your story is almost exactly mine. I used to be about 6.5 x 5.25 or so (wider at my baggy base), with a low LOT. Now, at 38, I've been pe-ing for several months....but prior to that, my erection had shrunk a little bit (6.12"). I've gone over 7 bpel now, but I didn't notice the skin thing that RZ asked about - because I'd had it for so long.
To answer the question about hair up the shaft - I think some guys always did have that, to a degree - but it's also a common side effect of Penis Enlargement (especially coupled with the skin thing).
But I figure that if I wouldn't have done the boner push-down thing, I probably would've been around 6" even. And if I didn't have my unusual jerkoff technique, maybe 4.75" girth or so - which is about average.
Damn! I wish I would've known about Penis Enlargement back then! I would've spent hours a day stretching & jelqing ;)
I'd be bigger than DLD by now! hehehehe
But seriously, I have another theory that Penis Enlargement probably would give better & faster gains to an adolescent. I've read somewhere that the tunica hasn't fully toughened yet in boys (just like our bones don't fully ossify until we're like 25 or so). Also, just think, during puberty we have mad testosterone levels.
 
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Well I think that my thorey is right.
I will post pix sumtime at PP with the hair itself going up.
DeterminedDICK said that its normal.,yea it is but not for LOTS of hair to grow on the top of the penis going down, out of nowhere.

I have measured and it is exact to what I gained.
Seems Waxn also is in a similer boat along with Pole, but that was accidnetal NPenis Enlargement.

Glad that I could help clear that up, so its easyer for some to see their gains started from.
 
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just to clarify:

I started with deliberate Penis Enlargement 5years ago and have gained +2" since then and NOW the hair(not very much by luck) is growing my shaft up for this 2" the least!
In your thread about this, I stated my general base skin prob resulting from my gains as well.

Here, in this thread, I just discussed with WaxN the accidental Penis Enlargement aspect in my life.

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i completely aggree with this theory. i developed a habit of squeezing the base of my dick everytime i masterbated because i like the blood flow or somethin and im starting at 6 inches girth.unfortunetly my length is only 5.5 but i will have to change that
 

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Well I did the same. I thought at a fairly young age that my erection angle was way too high. I used to push it down at night when I was falling asleep as I thought it was too high to use and was scared I was different.

Anyway when I came back to Penis Enlargement I realised that the fact that I had an inch or more of light skin at the base of my dick, and the fact that I had hair further up my dick than expected, meant that I was an accidental Penis Enlargementer too!

I also used to pull my dick in the bath sometimes as I was frustrated about my length . I think I did it erect too which is pretty dangerous.
 

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My theory on this is very simple. It is my opinion and does not need to be embraced by anyone and it is open for debate. There is no such thing as being blessed with a big penis and or small penis outside of medical birth disorders. I have spent so much time looking at penis online. I have read each and every size study to date. I have heard average size was anything from 5-7 inches. I have heard blacks hang lower than whites. I have heard Asians fair smaller then whites. I have heard Italians are larger than so and so, etc, etc, etc. In my opinion this is all bullshit. My theory keeps this myth mixup he said she said stories to a minimum.

The normal average human penis is anywhere from 5" to 7" naturally. The higher end of this spectrum of average may be accounted for by men who unknowingly Penis Enlargement'ed throughout their lives. Examples of this are men who suffer from some sort of social anxiety disorder or perhaps a O.C.S.D. (obsessive compulsive spectrum disorder). This group of men may have rituals as I did growing up that centered around the penis. In my case I was constantly pulling on my flaccid penis. It was a stress reaction but non the less it was your basic JAI stretch . The second group of men at the higher end of this spectrum may have strange masturbation practices. Perhaps a stronger grip similar to the basic jelq may have been used. I have also heard cases of extended "edging" sessions during masturbation that may also account for above average girth and or length . One other thing I found in men who were at the higher end of this spectrum are those who practiced some sort of erect bending. For some of the men I have talked to this was part of their masturbation rituals.

Now on the lower end of the average spectrum I think you will find men who had no masturbation rituals or if they did masturbate it was done in a more gentle way. I think to some men masturbation was considered wrong and they avoided it out of shame.

I think anything that falls into the medium of this range may be a be somewhere in between the 2 groups. It is impossible to tell for sure as you would need a huge cross section to establish this as fact.

Now you will always have the Lex Steele's who will swear up and down that they never engaged in Penis Enlargement. The reason I think this happens is because of the highly secretive nature of this practice. Also to the guys who have gotten this prized penis they do not want to give up their livelihood. It is similar to the reaction you get in any of the Penis Enlargement forums when someone posts that Penis Enlargement was mentioned on TV or the radio. Most men freak and do not want this information made public for good reason. We all want to be larger than our brother man. It is a normal feeling. Penis envy is very, very real. We have found the fountain of youth (or penis) and we do not want to share.

The marks of a Penis Enlargement'ed penis are very evident. They are vein covered and vascular looking.
They are darker on a light skinned person in most cases. Creeping hair is present in many cases. The way you see certain porn stars handle their penis can sometimes show signs of Penis Enlargement. In some men you will see stretch marks or bruising. But in almost every penis I have come across online that was huge (above 7") these marks were evident. Look at my pictures, I am a good 10 shades darker in the penis. I am covered with veins. I have stretch marks and creeping hair. I see one or more of these signs in a huge man.

One last tell tale sign you will see is this. Check a picture of Peter North or Jack Napier in their early days of film. Look at them now. There is a huge difference.
 
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DLD,

Again a great post. Your description of average, and those who are at lower end describes me almost to a T. I'd call myself lower-to-mid range of the average. And yes, my masturbation techniques were rather gentle as a teenager. Hey, it was that guilty Catholic thing, always afraid of being caught!

Also, thanks for the constant reinforcement about how porn stars for the most part are made not born.

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Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
My theory on this is very simple. It is my opinion and does not need to be embraced by anyone and it is open for debate. There is no such thing as being blessed with a big penis and or small penis outside of medical birth disorders. I have spent so much time looking at penis online. I have read each and every size study to date. I have heard average size was anything from 5-7 inches. I have heard blacks hang lower than whites. I have heard Asians fair smaller then whites. I have heard Italians are larger than so and so, etc, etc, etc. In my opinion this is all bullshit. My theory keeps this myth mixup he said she said stories to a minimum.

The normal average human penis is anywhere from 5" to 7" naturally. The higher end of this spectrum of average may be accounted for by men who unknowingly Penis Enlargement'ed throughout their lives. Examples of this are men who suffer from some sort of social anxiety disorder or perhaps a O.C.S.D. (obsessive compulsive spectrum disorder). This group of men may have rituals as I did growing up that centered around the penis. In my case I was constantly pulling on my flaccid penis. It was a stress reaction but non the less it was your basic JAI stretch. The second group of men at the higher end of this spectrum may have strange masturbation practices. Perhaps a stronger grip similar to the basic jelq may have been used. I have also heard cases of extended "edging" sessions during masturbation that may also account for above average girth and or length. One other thing I found in men who were at the higher end of this spectrum are those who practiced some sort of erect bending. For some of the men I have talked to this was part of their masturbation rituals.
But DLD, why can people be born with other bodyparts of extremely differing sizes (ears, noses, hands, etc.) and they're not considered "medical birth disorders"? My shoe is a size 14 - that's considerably above average, so is my height 6-4....do those count as "medical birth disorders"?
I believe your theory about people inadvertenly doing forms of Penis Enlargement, to a degree, which might add 0.5 - 1" length or so, but that would not account for the people like my uncle, or my 2 buddies, who had enormous cocks. You know how hard Penis Enlargement is yourself, how much effort must be put into each 1/8" gain....we literally have to "punish" ourselves for that added size. People casually tugging on their weinie (for pleasure) or pushing down on their hardons as part of a masturbation ritual just can't explain a 9 or 10 inch cock....if so, I'd have a 12-inch cock by now.
I had 2 buddies growing up who were 9 & 10 inches, respectively, and they had big dicks even when we were little kids with no pubes. I remember seeing them changing for swimming, & they must have hung 4 or 5 inches when they were 10 years old or so - and the rest of us had tiny gum drops. One of the guys later said his dad was huge too....he just simply inherited a big dick. I figure that if a guy like him Penis Enlargement'd, he could probably bust that world record of 13+.
You are extremely well-versed on penis size studies & Penis Enlargement in general, and I would not want to compare gains with you, of course, but I find it hard to believe that some guys just aren't naturally big - just as some women have huge tits & others are flat....it's just genetics.
 
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dito!

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I did not include that in my analysis and I should have. I do think there is a very rare exception to this rule but I also think that most of the exception falls under medical birth reasons. I think that most men who are larger that fall out of this spectrum may be because of conditions like Thyroid problems or Sickle Cell Anemia. Not saying there is not an exception to the rule because there will always be an exception. But how can we prove or disprove larger mens claims? This brings us back to the secrecy of Penis Enlargement and how some men may never tell.
 
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Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
Not saying there is not an exception to the rule because there will always be an exception. But how can we prove or disprove larger mens claims? This brings us back to the secrecy of Penis Enlargement and how some men may never tell.
That much I wouldn't argue with - most guys who Penis Enlargement would never divulge their "little secret." But I don't know if that justifies assuming that a lot of men do Penis Enlargement - but you're right in saying that we just don't know who they are.
I agree that Lex Penis Enlargement'd, he shows all the tell-tale signs, including some ugly scarring on his glans. But I bet he still would've been a big guy without it - probably 8" or more au natural.
 
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I had an x co-worker that most people would call mildly retarded.Not being one to judge people, I always tried to take up a little time with him. He was the type that constantly adjusted his package. One day he started telling me his "little secret". He said when he started to take a shower he would jack his cock till it was fully hard then get in the shower with a bath towel. He would get the water kinda warm then lay the towel over his cock and do kegals till it was tooo tired to kegal any more. Of course he didn't know what p.e. was and certainly not a kegal. It was just his way of having fun after a hard days work. I never saw the guy with an erection, but flacid he was at least 7 inches in length . BTW he was only 19 yrs old and said he had been doin this for a couple of years.
 
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Originally posted by shyguy
He would get the water kinda warm then lay the towel over his cock and do kegals till it was tooo tired to kegal any more.
Did he mention how long it took to stress to the point of fatigue?
 
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