shortdick;676823 said:
yep i do jerk off before my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] session cause is better whit a totally flaccid penis,if i dont the penis gets engorged n its kinda painful.

having a therapist like yours sounds great how do you get that :)
It took a ton of searching to find a therapist like her. I saw so many. Some I got great massage from and some sucked. Some jerked me off and some didn't. You usually have to try a girl 2-3x before she will offer to jerk you off. That way she knows you're not a cop.

The woman I see now gives an amazing massage. She will jerk me off half way through the massage and the massage me for another 45 minutes after. and best hand job I have ever had.

Asian women are usually the best. I have seen latina chicks and find them the sexiest but they don't usually give a great massage. I see an asian woman now. She seems to really enjoy jerking me off. But it took sometime to find a keeper, lol.
 
kyomoto;676494 said:
I tested this idea by stopping my length exercises a month ago (Basically I masturbated 3-4 times a week for a month), but while still proceeding with one of the jelqs i thought of and masturbated 3-4 times a week (Each time on a different way)

What I found is that I lost a quarter inch from my length gains.

Without getting confused by the rest of the post and thread, I'll note that *of course* you lost length. Masturbation or not, you STOPPED length exercises for a month... (Unless I misread that quote somehow).

Also, in terms of erection quality, has anybody mentioned testosterone levels?

Testosterone levels drop after ejaculation and the full testosterone replenishment cycle takes approx 6-7 days. Ideally, you only want to be masturbating or having sex once a week to stay in peak condition... (and have peak erection quality... sex drive and the male "hunt" instinct, AKA motivation)
 
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kyomoto;676822 said:
Yeah we need a bigger study. I just wanted to try it myself to see what happened. I'd like to get more information on this though.

Yeah masturbation is very helpful in length work,the penis is much more stretchable...but i think masturbation will hinder gains..i will start a study on myself...i haven't gained anything in the last 2 months of PE.Not 0.25".I was masturbating daily,sometimes twice.For the next two months i will masturbate as less as possible.It's been two days ( three couting today ) since i last mastrubated.Let's see if i gain anything in these two months with no fapping :)
 
well i feel the same too.....since the day i have been masturbating everyday before sleeping ....only length work all day no girth......i feel my gains dont show ...
 
MaxRichards;676844 said:
Without getting confused by the rest of the post and thread, I'll note that *of course* you lost length. Masturbation or not, you STOPPED length exercises for a month... (Unless I misread that quote somehow).

Also, in terms of erection quality, has anybody mentioned testosterone levels?

Testosterone levels drop after ejaculation and the full testosterone replenishment cycle takes approx 6-7 days. Ideally, you only want to be masturbating or having sex once a week to stay in peak condition... (and have peak erection quality... sex drive and the male "hunt" instinct, AKA motivation)

Yeah I have that study by some asian university. Ejaculation barely effects testosterone. But that single study showed that on day 7 after your last ejaculation there was a bit of a peak in testosterone levels. there are much better and more effective ways to keep testosterone at the highest levels possible for a given individual such as exercise (some forms better then others), proper eating habits, sex with a loved one, strong friendships, reduced negative stress, and the list goes on.

I say jerk off here and there yourself but I tend to avoid this. Have as much sex with someone you really like or love. For me that includes seeing my massage therapist. I walk out feeling AMAZING after a 90 minutes full body massage with a hand job half way through it.
 
MaxRichards;676844 said:
Without getting confused by the rest of the post and thread, I'll note that *of course* you lost length. Masturbation or not, you STOPPED length exercises for a month... (Unless I misread that quote somehow).

Also, in terms of erection quality, has anybody mentioned testosterone levels?

Testosterone levels drop after ejaculation and the full testosterone replenishment cycle takes approx 6-7 days. Ideally, you only want to be masturbating or having sex once a week to stay in peak condition... (and have peak erection quality... sex drive and the male "hunt" instinct, AKA motivation)

So the assumption is that men in the world need to have more testosterone in their system? Have you seen the news?

Sounds like everyone needs to fap the fuck out to me
 
ChilDsh;676845 said:
Yeah masturbation is very helpful in length work,the penis is much more stretchable...but i think masturbation will hinder gains..i will start a study on myself...i haven't gained anything in the last 2 months of PE.Not 0.25".I was masturbating daily,sometimes twice.For the next two months i will masturbate as less as possible.It's been two days ( three couting today ) since i last mastrubated.Let's see if i gain anything in these two months with no fapping :)

You should have more potential gains by reducing or not doing any masturbation. It doesn't always guarantee results because intensity is a factor in gaining. You can't just take away masturbation and hope to gain size, BUT it is possible that masturbation is hindering gains.

MaxRichards;676844 said:
Without getting confused by the rest of the post and thread, I'll note that *of course* you lost length. Masturbation or not, you STOPPED length exercises for a month... (Unless I misread that quote somehow).

Also, in terms of erection quality, has anybody mentioned testosterone levels?

Testosterone levels drop after ejaculation and the full testosterone replenishment cycle takes approx 6-7 days. Ideally, you only want to be masturbating or having sex once a week to stay in peak condition... (and have peak erection quality... sex drive and the male "hunt" instinct, AKA motivation)

Yeah once a week is fine.

And like I've said, yes I stopped doing length. But if any of us here stopped doing length for a month it would not make them lose any gains. Trust me I know from experience. I took a break longer than 2 months and haven't lost until the 3rd month. I've said i lost gains in 2 months before but i miscalculated that estimation due to the time i entered school it was a wrong date. So basically it took me 3 months to drop length when i took a break from PE.

It does not take 1 month to lose size. Therefore that factor is out of the question.

Btw I updated my original post for clarification guys. This is just an idea/theory of mine, don't be harsh on yourself and believe it. But do try to understand where I'm coming from.
 
What I wanted to interject here is that when we "quit" something it shows a great lack of discipline. Moderation in all things. Saying you will quit masturbating is only setting you up to fail. I would rather you control it and have discipline. The exception to this is experimentations in PE and masturbation.
 
doublelongdaddy;676938 said:
What I wanted to interject here is that when we "quit" something it shows a great lack of discipline. Moderation in all things. Saying you will quit masturbating is only setting you up to fail. I would rather you control it and have discipline. The exception to this is experimentations in PE and masturbation.

Well yeah. But I personally don't know the problems with not masturbating for a long time. Maybe I'll experiment that. IT is said that you need to masturbate or release I should say once every few weeks to be healthy. And from that I can apply your never "quit" and it is better to modify it and have discipline with your actions, in that regard I agree.
 
kyomoto;677073 said:
Well yeah. But I personally don't know the problems with not masturbating for a long time. Maybe I'll experiment that. IT is said that you need to masturbate or release I should say once every few weeks to be healthy. And from that I can apply your never "quit" and it is better to modify it and have discipline with your actions, in that regard I agree.

I have had this position for a very long time. I used to drink alcoholically, meaning every day a 5th of Vodka. I was a mess and I knew I needed to do something so I made the decision to take control of the drinking so it could no longer control me. For me it was not quitting, it was becoming disciplined. This meant one glass of wine a night, period. Since that time I have an occasional glass of wine at my Mothers house, that is it. Cigarettes, I did not want to quit, I wanted to stop smoking so much. I bought a vaporizer and used that alongside of cigarette and now I am down from a pack a day to 4 a day and those 4 I really enjoy. The same think applies to everything, moderation in all things!
 
pogzee;680385 said:
mastrurbate moderately as DLD says hahahha

alright. We need more speculation towards the counterproduction state rather than a solution because solutions we do have and are easy to do.
 
Are you 100% SURE you lost length? Maybe it was due to the erection problems. As DLD said- it is the girth that masturbation affects the most (and EQ). Length- it is quite beneficial. There are many threads where it is proven ( brothers have been put to the test of ejaculation vs no ejaculation to see if it would affect their gaining and size ).

What I think you all need to realize is that ejaculation (whether it is sex or masturbation) is not ALL THAT bad- it can help you out quite a lot if you know how to use it. Anyways- what matters A LOT (maybe the most) in PE is the production of the male sex hormone- TESTOSTERONE. Durring puberty (where it is at its peak) it causes male muscles to enlarge, facial hair growth (facial, pubic etc.) and natural PE (enlargement of the reproductive organs). This hormone is the most essential to PE!

So, if you are all interested, there are studies that stand to prove that you can manipulate your testosterone levels with ejaculation and abstinence (from ejaculation) periods. Some studies are listed below, enjoy and read. :)


- a) It’s known that short-term abstinence of 3 weeks can slightly increases testosterone levels in healthy human subjects, and one interesting study shows a significant 145% spike in T at the 7th day of abstinence (probably an evolutionary trigger to reproduce). However, long-term abstinence of 3 months has been shown to significantly reduce testosterone levels (note that this is only researched in men with erectile dysfunction, so the low T can be caused by something completely different).

b) In multiple human and animal studies, it has been noted that ejaculation does not acutely change serum testosterone levels, busting the common myth that ejaculation would rapidly deplete the body from testosterone (study, study, study, study).

c) Even though ejaculations seemingly have no significant effects on serum testosterone levels, they can (at least according to rodent studies) alter the body’s ability to utilize testosterone. It has been seen that after multiple ejaculations a sharp decline in androgen receptors takes place inside the hypothalamus, and not only that, but a sharp increase in estrogen receptors follows as well. One rodent study also found out that 1 or 2 ejaculations in short span of time increased androgen receptor activity in the body, while 4 or more ejaculations caused a significant drop in the activity of AR, suggesting that ejaculating yourself to “sexual exhaustion” might lower your body’s ability to utilize androgens.

d) While masturbation induced ejaculations don’t seem to have that big of an effect on serum testosterone levels, sex with a real person does. For example: In a study of 44 men visiting a sex club, it was noted that the men who actually had sex in the club with a woman, noted a nice 72% average increase in their testosterone levels, while the men who only watched the act, got a boost of 11%. In another study, it was seen that on couples, testosterone levels increase on the nights that they have sexual intercourse, but not on the nights that they don’t. One study also saw that older men who have more sex, have higher T levels. What causes this if ejaculations don’t? It could be the interpersonal touch, the female pheromones, the feelings of dominance, power, and even success… ( source - Ejaculation and Testosterone: Does Busting a Nut Lower T? )



- Abstract

The purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. The serum testosterone concentrations of 28 volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence periods after ejaculation for two phases. The authors found that the fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak. Ejaculation is the precondition and beginning of the special periodic serum testosterone level variations, which would not occur without ejaculation. The results showed that ejaculation-caused variations were characterized by a peak on the 7th day of abstinence; and that the effective time of an ejaculation is 7 days minimum. These data are the first to document the phenomenon of the periodic change in serum testosterone level; the correlation between ejaculation and periodic change in the serum testosterone level, and the pattern and characteristics of the periodic change. (source- A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. - PubMed - NCBI)


I believe THIS is what you need to know about ejaculation and gains. By the way, let me link you some evidence it supports length work.

- https://www.thundersplace.org/penis-enlargement-basics/stretching-after-masturbation.v3.html (if this link does not satisfy the mods or admins, please remove it, I am quite familiar with the reasons why it may not be inadequate, but it stands as a supporting proof of my argument)

- http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...orum/58140-stretching-after-masturbation.html

The ones I gave above are NOT the scientific arguments DLD came up with after his little micro study, but they are brethern who have tried it and as you can see it is 100% supporting evidence that it stretches easier after an orgasm.


If any of you wants a link to DLD's thread, please respond to this with "You're amazing Zam, send me that thread". rofl! Feels good to be here. Hopefully, I will have enough spare time to spend with you all! All the best, Zam! :)

- - - Updated - - -

Are you 100% SURE you lost length? Maybe it was due to the erection problems. As DLD said- it is the girth that masturbation affects the most (and EQ). Length- it is quite beneficial. There are many threads where it is proven ( brothers have been put to the test of ejaculation vs no ejaculation to see if it would affect their gaining and size ).

What I think you all need to realize is that ejaculation (whether it is sex or masturbation) is not ALL THAT bad- it can help you out quite a lot if you know how to use it. Anyways- what matters A LOT (maybe the most) in PE is the production of the male sex hormone- TESTOSTERONE. Durring puberty (where it is at its peak) it causes male muscles to enlarge, facial hair growth (facial, pubic etc.) and natural PE (enlargement of the reproductive organs). This hormone is the most essential to PE!

So, if you are all interested, there are studies that stand to prove that you can manipulate your testosterone levels with ejaculation and abstinence (from ejaculation) periods. Some studies are listed below, enjoy and read. :)


- a) It’s known that short-term abstinence of 3 weeks can slightly increases testosterone levels in healthy human subjects, and one interesting study shows a significant 145% spike in T at the 7th day of abstinence (probably an evolutionary trigger to reproduce). However, long-term abstinence of 3 months has been shown to significantly reduce testosterone levels (note that this is only researched in men with erectile dysfunction, so the low T can be caused by something completely different).

b) In multiple human and animal studies, it has been noted that ejaculation does not acutely change serum testosterone levels, busting the common myth that ejaculation would rapidly deplete the body from testosterone (study, study, study, study).

c) Even though ejaculations seemingly have no significant effects on serum testosterone levels, they can (at least according to rodent studies) alter the body’s ability to utilize testosterone. It has been seen that after multiple ejaculations a sharp decline in androgen receptors takes place inside the hypothalamus, and not only that, but a sharp increase in estrogen receptors follows as well. One rodent study also found out that 1 or 2 ejaculations in short span of time increased androgen receptor activity in the body, while 4 or more ejaculations caused a significant drop in the activity of AR, suggesting that ejaculating yourself to “sexual exhaustion” might lower your body’s ability to utilize androgens.

d) While masturbation induced ejaculations don’t seem to have that big of an effect on serum testosterone levels, sex with a real person does. For example: In a study of 44 men visiting a sex club, it was noted that the men who actually had sex in the club with a woman, noted a nice 72% average increase in their testosterone levels, while the men who only watched the act, got a boost of 11%. In another study, it was seen that on couples, testosterone levels increase on the nights that they have sexual intercourse, but not on the nights that they don’t. One study also saw that older men who have more sex, have higher T levels. What causes this if ejaculations don’t? It could be the interpersonal touch, the female pheromones, the feelings of dominance, power, and even success… ( source - http://www.anabolicmen.com/ejaculation-testosterone/ )



- Abstract

The purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. The serum testosterone concentrations of 28 volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence periods after ejaculation for two phases. The authors found that the fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak. Ejaculation is the precondition and beginning of the special periodic serum testosterone level variations, which would not occur without ejaculation. The results showed that ejaculation-caused variations were characterized by a peak on the 7th day of abstinence; and that the effective time of an ejaculation is 7 days minimum. These data are the first to document the phenomenon of the periodic change in serum testosterone level; the correlation between ejaculation and periodic change in the serum testosterone level, and the pattern and characteristics of the periodic change. (source- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241)


I believe THIS is what you need to know about ejaculation and gains. By the way, let me link you some evidence it supports length work.

- https://www.thundersplace.org/penis-enlargement-basics/stretching-after-masturbation.v3.html (if this link does not satisfy the mods or admins, please remove it, I am quite familiar with the reasons why it may not be inadequate, but it stands as a supporting proof of my argument)

- http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/masturbation-and-ejaculation-forum/58140-stretching-after-masturbation.html

The ones I gave above are NOT the scientific arguments DLD came up with after his little micro study, but they are brethern who have tried it and as you can see it is 100% supporting evidence that it stretches easier after an orgasm.


If any of you wants a link to DLD's thread, please respond to this with "You're amazing Zam, send me that thread". rofl! Feels good to be here. Hopefully, I will have enough spare time to spend with you all! All the best, Zam! :)
 
doublelongdaddy;676938 said:
What I wanted to interject here is that when we "quit" something it shows a great lack of discipline. Moderation in all things. Saying you will quit masturbating is only setting you up to fail. I would rather you control it and have discipline. The exception to this is experimentations in PE and masturbation.

I can only speak for myself but, exactly! At one point I went on a no fapping spree and I think the longest I lasted was roughly 2 months. I eventually gave in and repeated the no fapping thing again while continually failing. This sounds kind of stupid but, it actually affected me emotionally and when I learned to simply control it rather than going to the extremes (fapping continuously or not fapping at all), I felt better.
 
Brothers I go with no masturbation all year !
Must be like a few years maybe since I last masturbated ?

I have my wife for sex and BJs lol dont know if that counts.
 
BigBeardBig;680618 said:
Brothers I go with no masturbation all year !
Must be like a few years maybe since I last masturbated ?

I have my wife for sex and BJs lol dont know if that counts.

Shes helping a lot thats great.;)
 
BigBeardBig;680618 said:
Brothers I go with no masturbation all year !
Must be like a few years maybe since I last masturbated ?

I have my wife for sex and BJs lol dont know if that counts.

Masturbation should be used by single men. If a man is married or has a steady girlfriend he really should not be masturbating.
 
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