Masturbation is counterproductive

kyomoto

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So a while ago I read that people masturbated when doing PE. Most said it didn't matter as long as you had a routine you did in the first place.

I tested this idea by stopping my length exercises a month ago (Basically I masturbated 3-4 times a week for a month), but while still proceeding with one of the jelqs i thought of and masturbated 3-4 times a week (Each time on a different way)

What I found is that I lost a quarter inch from my length gains. So I decided to establish that masturbation is counterproductive to actual length gains because if you're aiming for length and you're masturbating some # of times a week then it won't do you much good.

Of course this was a test I did myself and perhaps your experience is different.

I'd like for you guys to tell me your experience with masturbation and LENGTH gains or routines.

CLARIFICATION~People misunderstand what I mean~

Lets say that masturbation and length training both have a 100% effort range.

Masturbation in this case decreases length

Length training increases length

So if both give 100% doing them together must still equal to 100% and have to share part of the whole 100%


Lets say you're doing little to minimal effort in Length training.

0%-30% effort in Length training VS 100%-70% effort in masturbation
---Your result will be that you could slowly lose length because masturbation is taking over the percentage

Now lets say you're doing both equally.

50% length training intensity VS 50% masturbation
---Your results will be an equilibrium of no gain and no loss

Lastly lets say you're doing a MORE INTENSE Length routine (surpasses masturbation reduction size)

70%-100% length training VS 30%-0% masturbation
---Your results will be gains in length

This is why many people report gains even with constant masturbation. Because their length routines are far more intense than masturbation can reduce. Therefore length results.

***Note masturbation will always be 100% in effectiveness because you can't count ejaculation causing fatigue as fractions. You can only do so with incremental intensity in length training and no such thing applies to masturbation
The only plausible thing that could apply in terms of increments for masturbation would be how many days you do it***

Details on why masturbation is 100% always and why it is not always represented as 100% above in the clarification:

Example of what I mean. Bill can not masturbate any more intense than the next guy because ejaculation + the fatigue afterwards is the total 100%

You can't have 40% masturbation effectiveness. That's not how it works.

In my demonstration the percentages for masturbation aren't always 100% because the percentage is STATIC (non-changing) and the only increasing factor is the intensity in a routine.

Because masturbation is a static variable the % will always be 100%. But since length can surpass and be degraded to such an extent the range length intensity has is 200%.

Technically the #'s would be:

Demonstration 1) (0% through 90%) -100%= -10% through -100% (loss in size because negative)

Demonstration 2) 100% - 100%= 0% (equilibrium, no size change)

Demonstration 3) (200% through 110%) - 100%= +10% through +90% (gain in size)
 
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I have to agree with this statement at some level. If I don't have sex or masterbait for a week or two my EQ is at its peak. From this it appears longer (and may be favorable to creating great length gains). I don't think I've lost anything though when I do have sex. I suspect that since the tunica is only 5% elastic that any expansion that occurs past that 5% creates permanent deformation. Its a hard thing to guage if your EQ isn't the same all the time.
 
MoreThanLuck;676509 said:
I have to agree with this statement at some level. If I don't have sex or masterbait for a week or two my EQ is at its peak. From this it appears longer (and may be favorable to creating great length gains). I don't think I've lost anything though when I do have sex. I suspect that since the tunica is only 5% elastic that any expansion that occurs past that 5% creates permanent deformation. Its a hard thing to guage if your EQ isn't the same all the time.
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Well my idea is that it's fine once a week or keeping ejaculation to a minimum. I've heard several times people on here masturbate more than once every day and or more than 3 times a week. It's good every now and then to release, but we must maintain the control and urge not to in order to get the most of the gains. Good EQ comes from abstinence in masturbation/sex plus kegels
 
kyomoto;676494 said:
So a while ago I read that people masturbated when doing PE. Most said it didn't matter as long as you had a routine you did in the first place.

I tested this idea by stopping my length exercises a month ago (Basically I masturbated 3-4 times a week for a month), but while still proceeding with one of the jelqs i thought of and masturbated 3-4 times a week (Each time on a different way)

What I found is that I lost a quarter inch from my length gains. So I decided to establish that masturbation is counterproductive to actual length gains because if you're aiming for length and you're masturbating some # of times a week then it won't do you much good.

Of course this was a test I did myself and perhaps your experience is different.

I'd like for you guys to tell me your experience with masturbation and LENGTH gains or routines.
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So for that month that you masturbated 3-4x/week you did no length exercises you just did one type of jelq exercise that entire month? If this is correct how often and when did you do that jelq exercise? Or did i read your post wrong and you still did length work during this month of masturbation 3-4x/week?
 
I have no idea how counterproductive masturbation can be..But i jack my off once a day most of the time before i start my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] session,the penis is flaccid and malleable n its way easier to stretch when its flaccid..:cool:


I think is counterproductive when masturbation is an addiction n the penis gets rubbery n even dark..
 
I'm currently not doing any exercises but when I was using my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] to do 1 hr downward bundled stretches daily, I masturbated daily and still gained. I also know that when you don't masturbate for some time, your erection will be massive. As for me, masturbation once in a day cannot affect length work unless you as not doing a solid length routine.
 
I don't like to ejaculate because it takes away some of my pump if I do it right after a session. What I do like is that it releases chemicals which definitely helps healing, but everytime I do decide to cum always get in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] a little while after to get my pump back. This method works pretty swell :s
 
Yes,i said this so many times...from my personal experience,i would say stay away from mastrubation as much as possible.And if you have to masturbate,let's say you're super horny,make sure you have some good hours between PE and ejaculation.I literally went months without any gains because of masturbation.Faping once a day should be fine,but i would take at least a 3-4 hours window between those two :).
 
When I was actively hanging, I usually masturbated after I was done for the day. Sometimes, I would do so before hanging. I actually found, I 'felt like' I got a better stretch if I masturbated within an hour before I did my hanging.

Masturbating on girth days never hurt me.

You stopped all length training and only did girth training for a month? In that time, did you gain girth? Sometimes when I have gained girth, I lost a little length. Make sense, as you are adding volume to your penis in one dimension.
 
huge-girth;676520 said:
I'm currently not doing any exercises but when I was using my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words] to do 1 hr downward bundled stretches daily, I masturbated daily and still gained. I also know that when you don't masturbate for some time, your erection will be massive. As for me, masturbation once in a day cannot affect length work unless you as not doing a solid length routine.
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no PE whats going on i tought you had your goal on mind..
 
To answer youknowme,

I did a jelqing exercise targeting girth only. I did no length exercises.

I did the jelqing 4 times a week targeting girth at the night time usually 9pm

Heres the thing guys.

Masturbation/Ejaculation is okay 3-4 times a day if and only you produce enough intensity on your penis.

As you guys have mentioned from your experience, some guys ejaculate every day and still gain. This is due to the intensity being greater than how much ejaculation can reduce your results.

But some people are not always in tune to big intense routines that surpass loss of size. That is why in my opinion it id best to refrain from masurbation/ejaculation in general. I understand we must release at least once every 2 weeks and thats fine, but keep the ejaculation to a minimum.

Girth work should not make length gains unable to come out. That is what i believe otherwise it would be applicable to many people who do length and girth and achieved both.
 
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Masturbation should be a girth workout before you allow your self to shoot off. For me, I spend at lest 20 minutes doing girth work (mainly [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] and SizeBlaster). After I feel like I have gotten a good workout I will ensue shooting off. This is a great way to gain girth but also endurance in bed.
 
Thanks for actually doing the experiment. I've suspected that masturbation is a negative for girth work but I'm surprised it had a negative impact on length. I always notice a lessened expansion when ejaculation, or having to mash the PC to avoid it, occurs. I'll keep this in mind if I get back into length training again.
 
Longth;676614 said:
Thanks for actually doing the experiment. I've suspected that masturbation is a negative for girth work but I'm surprised it had a negative impact on length. I always notice a lessened expansion when ejaculation, or having to mash the PC to avoid it, occurs. I'll keep this in mind if I get back into length training again.
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No problem. I mean if a person is still skeptical i suggest them try the experiment without any length exercises. Masturbate 4 or more times a week for 1-2 months, you'll see a decrease in EQ but also in length.

Note that i measured in BPEL

BUT i also measured BPFSL and to my surprise i didnt lose my potential gains so to speak. My BPEL was 6.5 inches when i measured after the experiment but my BPFSL was 7.35 ish inches. So i technically lost only erect visible gains but not potential gains. Either way it is frustrating knowing how ejaculation can become addicting. In our case it shouldn't be a problem because we're dedicated to PE.
 
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kyomoto;676622 said:
No problem. I mean if a person is still skeptical i suggest them try the experiment without any length exercises. Masturbate 4 or more times a week for 1-2 months, you'll see a decrease in EQ but also in length.
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I have never had this happen to me. I pretty much shoot everyday and I have never suffered EQ issues. The only thing that cause ED for me was Zoloft, terrible medication that wreaks havoc on the sexual system.
 
I've never lost EQ from masturbating and there have been many stretches of time where I do it every day sometimes more then once in a day. They only thing that would happen to me is it would take longer for me to cum.

Many men lose length gains when they stop PE and don't cement their gains whether they are ejaculating often or not. I think you should have kept doing your length work and masturbated 3-4x/week and then if you lost gains there would be more validity to your conclusion that masturbation is counterproductive to length gains.
 
i was actually thinking about this today kinda like altering my routine by not masterbating to see how i react
 
youknowme123321;676664 said:
I've never lost EQ from masturbating and there have been many stretches of time where I do it every day sometimes more then once in a day. They only thing that would happen to me is it would take longer for me to cum.

Many men lose length gains when they stop PE and don't cement their gains whether they are ejaculating often or not. I think you should have kept doing your length work and masturbated 3-4x/week and then if you lost gains there would be more validity to your conclusion that masturbation is counterproductive to length gains.
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If I did my length workout with the 3x-4x masturbation then I would see no results because masturbation counters the reaction of length gaining. Thats why I did it without length exercise. What you propose doesn't make any sense and how it would validate my point. Doing length training and masturbating you wont see the actual truth. You can only see the truth when you stop doing the length and notice a loss of gains due to masturbation.
 
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