Sorry for opening a new thread

[grosso]

Hello Guys,
sorry for opening a new thread. Actually I have already posted here:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...nd-what-I-know&p=469008&highlight=#post469008

But I am afraid that was not the right place to post. I am also one of you, I am not an enemy, but I am a bit concerned and I would just like to call attention to an essential question about Pe enlargement hoping that someone here is ready to take this topic seriously and to help to talk about Pe from really scientific point of view. As I said before, I also practice Penis Enlargement, so there is absolutely no reason to believe I am here in order to disturb the peace of the Penis Enlargement-community.
Here is my post:

Hello Guys !
It's amazing how many different and somehow contrasting opinions you can find on internet about penis enlargement. There are people who swear that it works and other who say that it's just a chimera, a kind of expedient of the marketing in order to sell their products. But then on the other hand, considering that the most renowned pe-exercises are those made manually without the aid of any gadget/product one may think that "penis enlargement" is not just a gambit of the market.It could rally work!
But if it really works, why is there still no reliable scientific proof, or at least a study, that pe does really work? On the contrary, doctros, urologists, andrologysts firmly believe that pe cannot work. To enlarge the penis has always been a dream of men. Since the ancient. Is it not a kind of paradox that science and technology have made great strides in different field but not in Penis Enlargement ? Yet, enlarging the penis has always been a dream of every man. If you search for the word "jelq" on internet, you will always come across the same information, which is shared by different websites, that say "jelq" is a kind of arabic tradition handed on from father to son and bla bla bla. But actually nothing really consistent or scientific. It sounds rather like just a rumour.
We all, including me, still want/like to believe that Pe works! That's why we have an account on matterofsize or on other pe-forums, we hope someone will tell us, what to do, so that it really works. The gains we have reached may be just due to the fact that our penises have grown more elastic and the gains are just temporary gains. But if we geve up practicing pe, they would go back again. Does it not sound demoralising that here a user has pumped for over 15 years but he admit that in his opinion gains are to be considered temporary then permanent? And look here, the guy here is a pumping-freak, he has also pumped for ages and really strong, but nevertheless he does not believe that your penis can really grow!
http://www.tigerpumping.com/pages/expectations.html
There are people who wear weights for hours, people who pump for hours, people who jelqu, stretch, wear wraps or ads. But nobody seems to have really gained permanently.
And what about these guys here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj5bjgejHXk
Expecially Asian men are believed to have a short penis, but if they are able to perform such things with their penises they now should have gained many inches!
Do you really believe that the tunica can grow?
Are we all just obfuscated by the believe/hope in it?


A couple of days ago a friend of mine, who bought the dvd-program of DLD, showed me the content of the Dvd. Surely it is quite informative. There are many kind of excercises. Yet something seems to be unreliable.
1) DLD literally says that you won't need any additional gadgets to enlarge your penis. All you need is just your hands. But at the same time he tries to convince to buy a Bathmate pump, an ads-stretcher and so on.
2) He says that he has gained around 4,5 Inches in lenght. But his penis seems to be not longer than 6 - 7 Inches. I assume, and he also says so, that he did the video after years of training and after having tried and invented new excercises. So his penis should be now 10,5 inches long according to assessment. How is it possible that none of you has noticed this thing?
3) He says that after years of training has gained 4,5 Inches in lenght but later he says explaines how he was glad to see that one of his friend, to which he accordingly confessed the secret of pe, had gained a 2 inches in a couple of months! In an couple of months 2 inches? Does it sound realistic?

I hope someone will take this post seriously.
DLD, sorry for the critic.
Grosso

 

[Solid Snake]

Actually LOL. There's a reason nobody takes you seriously. It sounds like you are a troll. Just go look at the Picture Proof thread to see pages and pages of sucess stories, let alone the people who havan't taken pics. If this is a serious post you CLEARLY havan't done any research into Penis Enlargement or even bothered to look into the MOS forum. DLD has always said the best way to gain is with your hands. However using enhancers (Bathmate & ADS) in combination with manual work with SPenis EnlargementED GAINS - which is what we all want isn't it? Faster Gains? LOL there are pics and a VIDEO of DLD's penis. And as for those pump pics!? WTF talk about retention/deformation. Think you are a bored troll.

 

[grosso]

Come on, try to be objective. Which serious research about Penis Enlargement are you talking about? There is no scientific observation about Penis Enlargement. And all the stories about jelq and arabic culture seems to be just a fake.
I haven't found any pictures or videos where you can see the 10,5 inches long penis of DLD.
As I said, just have a look on his Penis Enlargement-Exercises-DVD. You will notice that his penis is not more than 6 inches.
Besides, your answer is just the kind of answer of which I was afraid to get. I still hope that there is someone who is able to talk seriously about Pe and all around it.

 

[KingD]

For a member with 24 posts since 2008, maybe you really do need to research more or just don't Penis Enlargement at all because if you have been a member since 2008 and your still asking these questions than obviously you have not been Penis Enlargementing. Who can be a member of this forum that long and not be encouraged to Penis Enlargement? I think that you might be a troll also. I wouldn't be surprised if you came from another forum to try to slander all that DLD has built with MOS. Are you a member of any other Penis Enlargement forums? What have you been doing all this time that you have been a member of this forum?

 

[MAXAMEYES]

So, grosso, concisely please: Just what is your point here?

 

[Aimingforthetop]

The way of a reasonable skeptics mind:

Behols. This sounds Too good to be true. What is the catch: free forum. Free exercises. Free help.

I have now done my basic research and will be doing some experimenting on my own. I will measure and i will test and i will do this for a period of time that sounds reasonable for me to make a fair judgement on these exercises.

The way of a unreasonable skeptics mind:

This shit sounds too good to be true: i dont fucking believe it! All you shitheads believe in this? Lol noobs what the hell are you thinking? Everyone knows that it doesnt work. I know a scientist and he says pe is shit and doesnt work.

Fact is he never trys it. Its free and available information. You dont need the payed stuff for this to work..


Why is dld saying you can do it with your hands. And then trying to sell a Bathmate.

Well. When you go down to a car store. He can show you a nice van. Its comfy and all that.
But he also got the cenvertible v8.

Yes it is faster, yes its more expensive.

What car are you? Both takes you to your goal. There is just 2 ways and 2 speeds in which you can do it.

Equipment helps. But thats it.

With extender i can go up to 5 hour a day in stretch. No way im doing that with my hands.

Things i have concurred out of the scientific rule sets:

Gained 12 kg in 2 months while having a fat percentage of 7% all the time.

(its hilarious when the gym wants to doping test you at the age of 16. And your dad has to come down and sign formulas since you arent legal of age )

Lost 8kg of fat in 1 week.

At the age of 17 i hurt my back severe. Was told i got to walk again properly But not run.

Later on i became a soldier and ran 22km with a heavy bag. Still working out heavy daily


It all comes down to 1 thing.

You can be mediocre. And Do what everybody else does and say you do.

Notice the fact that when you do something out of the ordinary people react in 1 of of 2 ways:
1: they see your awesomeness and follows you
2: they start to push you and all you believe in to make you go back to the spot they think your supposed to be in.

I read about this really cool experiment made a while back.

They took a couple of monkeys and put them in a room. Witth a standing ladder and some bananas at the top.

But. When they went up for a banana all the monkeys got wet.

So it didnt take long for the monkeys to stay down from the ladder and when one went up. The others started to slam the ground. Scream and litterally pull the one monkey down.

Later on they removed a monkey and put a new one in.
He saw the bananas and went for it. The other monkeys stopped him beated him and pulled him down.
When another monkey went up for it, the new one now went with the rest of the group and beated the monkey who where going for the bananas.

Eventually they had all the monkeys replaced now none of the first monkeys was there. And none of the actual monkeys in this room. Had ever been wet from trying to grab a banana.


The funny thing is.......

The monkeys still. Screamed stomped and beated eachother to stop them for goingfor the bananas.


There has been plenty of scientific proof that Penis Enlargement works. But

For you to make a scientific evidence you need some doctor. test subjects and an experiment.

When it is done you now have 1 doctor saying: this could work.

But if the rest of the doctors say: no. Then its still not scientifically proven. And will not be accepted in mainstream media.

Science is not about progress anymore. It havent been about that for many years. It is all about the money.

Because you cant patent Penis Enlargement. And make a billion on it. The medical business is not interrested in it.

Actually the jes extender was invented by one of the leading european surgeons. Who had the nick name: the penis doctor

You want scientific evidence on pe: make a pill that can do all the job all by itself. And the medical business will more than likely go nuts and make a shitload of it. Since now it is a pill they can patent and therefor own the market of...


You claim to be a skeptic? Ask yourself how the hell it can be that all the medical world does is push sickness down now. You dont hear about a cure for anything anymore. It is just a shitload of pills to maintain status queue. (keep people on The pill to keep a steady income) and there have been more than 1 case in which a doctor invents some sort of cure.... And suddenly hes found dead)

Science is corrupt. And is therefor worth shit.

And if you have been a member here since 2008 and havent even tryed a free 3 months dedicated workout. Then you have failed. In more than just Penis Enlargement.

You wanna be mediocre! Just stay where you are.

But try and remove your own barriers and limits, and push yourself to the max. And you will realize thst the only limit. Is those you make yourself!

 

[lazyhanger]

Hate to say it, but by insulting this guy we just loose our credibility, so why not bury this whole topic by answering his questions...
@grosso I don't have the DVD so I can't help you with the first two questions but as far as the third one is concerned, I believe a 2" gain in this short time frame is extremely hard to achieve, but doable. Could be that the guy DLD was talking about worked twice as much and as hard or did the right exercises at the right time, or he just had awesome newbie gains (and probably hit a plateau afterwards).

@Solid Snake not hatin on you man, but why do people automatically call other people that criticize a topic "trolls"? I know this specific topic has been discussed a million times, but so have been other topics too, but there we don't insult the person that posts the question. I don't think this guy is trying to harm anyone, he just didn't understand some information and seeks clarification, he even apologizes to DLD for his question, so what's wrong with that?

I'm sorry to say this, but if members right here forbid other members to post questions (yes, even if they have been discussed several times), this liberal and peaceful forum will mutate to a dictatorship full of anger and trolls (like T.....).

 

[Deonz]

Well, first off. That isn't a critic of DLD, it's just questioning. Very misinformed at that. But nonetheless, a question should be asked without claiming it's too far fetched. There's never a stupid question, there are however condescending questions. If you have realized all of what you said, you probably shouldn't invest your time in trying. You seem to know what you think are the answers to them already, I doubt anything we could say would make you realize otherwise.
In the final question, maybe that seems way crazy. BUT realize when someone aims for a goal like that, it's ALL they think about and do during that time period. It's none of the newbie things. It's very informed exercising and healing habits.

 

[Solid Snake]

Hate to say it, but by insulting this guy we just loose our credibility, so why not bury this whole topic by answering his questions...
@grosso I don't have the DVD so I can't help you with the first two questions but as far as the third one is concerned, I believe a 2" gain in this short time frame is extremely hard to achieve, but doable. Could be that the guy DLD was talking about worked twice as much and as hard or did the right exercises at the right time, or he just had awesome newbie gains (and probably hit a plateau afterwards).

@Solid Snake not hatin on you man, but why do people automatically call other people that criticize a topic "trolls"? I know this specific topic has been discussed a million times, but so have been other topics too, but there we don't insult the person that posts the question. I don't think this guy is trying to harm anyone, he just didn't understand some information and seeks clarification, he even apologizes to DLD for his question, so what's wrong with that?

I'm sorry to say this, but if members right here forbid other members to post questions (yes, even if they have been discussed several times), this liberal and peaceful forum will mutate to a dictatorship full of anger and trolls (like T.....).

I just think it's strange. He states he practices Penis Enlargement and is not here to disturb the peace? Then lists reasons why Penis Enlargement doesn't work?

I don't have the DVD but this guys says that DLD was only 6 inches in the video - go look at him now, I think you've just proven our point that Penis Enlargement works

 

[Iwannabig1]

I just want some of that White Widow in lazyhangers avatar!!

 

[truant]

Remember what DLD said in the SRT theory thread. That erect work leads to faster gains. Maybe this is the forbidden secret lol. That somehow doing extreme erect pe for longer periods of time will lead to the treasures of big gains.

 

[lazyhanger]

OK I just watched the part of the documentary where DLD was interviewed and they also had a scene from the DVD. Yes, he seems to be smaller than 10¨ - not 6" but maybe closer to 8" or 8.5", but who cares? He shows how the exercises are done and that's what the DVD is all about I guess. Even if he gained zero (which is certainly not true), I gained a shitload and without him I think this wouldn't have been possible. I think when the second DVD DLD was talking about comes out, people will stop questioning his size.

*passing the blunt to Iwannabig1*

 

[grosso]

Lazyhanger, you are the only one who has caught my post.

The rest of you just feel attacked, disturbed and offended. But that was not my intention. Why should I loose my time and post in this forum with the intent to offend or talk behind the back of DLD and all his theories?
As I said, I also practice Penis Enlargement. Yes, I registered to this forum in 2008 but I have to admit that I have never taken Penis Enlargement seriously. But that is not the point of the discussion.
What's the purpose of a forum? Should it not be meant to offer the opportunity to discuss about matters seriously?
My questions are reasonable. It's true that medicine and doctors are also just governed by the laws of the economy. They all want to make money and natural Penis Enlargement-excercises is something which everybody can do without to have to spend money. So from this point of view it is not so lucrative for the market. But I am not talking about it. I was just asking myself/you if there are people in this world who have nevertheless carried out serious scientific researches on Penis Enlargement. If you search for information about penis enlargement, you will find just only many websites which sell their dvd, pills, extender and so on. All of these websites use the same information, the same text (the giraffe women or the techniques adopted by the ortopaedic surgery to lenghten bones are a proof that tissue can grow), but they are just empty words. Some claims that the aborigenal men wear weights for ages and they reach a penis long 40 cm. That's all that you can find if you search for information about penis enlargement. But nothing really trustwhorty.
So what I asked you was if some of us has carried a deep research about pe and found reliable information, or at least something that sounds different than all the same things you can finde everywhere on web.
I have asked concrete questions and this was one of them. Then, concerning the jelqu-technique which is said to be a long tradition of arabic people, seems to me to be just a rumour. I wonder what kind of information would I find if I could speak Arabic. Because all the information that we can have about jelqu are those written in English or German, Italian, Spanish, but is there someone here who can speak Arabic? It would be interesting to find out what Arabic websites say about this topic. And what about the Asiatic languages? As I already asked, what about those crazy asiatic guys who perform such things?:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/949864/

They should have a huge penis. But it seems they don't.

So, and now back to our community. DLD is our Guru, so I don't want to speak behind his back, I am just asking you concrete and serious questions.
As I already mentioned, I have had a look on his DVD-Program. He says that he has a 10,5 inches long penis. But his penis in reality doesn't look like that. So, if even DLD, whom all of you just trust blindly, tell such fairy tale, is it not a reasonalbe reaction to think that also DLD is here just to sell. Do not forget that DLD sells DVD and many other gadgets. Would you not lie if you had the opportunity to make money? Honestly, how many men, including myself, are sooo obsessed with their penis and so propense and really vulnerable to spend lots of money in gadgets which promise miracle?
So, you said that there are pictures and Videos about the penis of DLD. I asked you where. You didn't give me any answer. So I'll ask again: where are pictures and videos of DLD which prove that his penis has grown so much?
I think there are many ingenuous amid us.

So, is there anybody here who really reads and understand my post? If not, then please make no empty comments which are anyhow not related with the real content of my post.

 

[Solid Snake]

i don't know what you want us to say? Do you want us to say "you know what, you're right Penis Enlargement is all BS we just like to come on here and lie"? DO you want us to convince you that Penis Enlargement works? For pics of DLD as I said, Go look at the picture proof section? It seems like you are set on trying to make out like Penis Enlargement doesn't work?

 

[REDZULU2003]

Check his measured untouched pix here http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...ke-Salvini-11-inch-penis-pictures-INSPIRATION also includes the doctored ones created by haters! The ruler cant lie.

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Grosso, can you actually answer a question in a short simple concise fashion?

If so; What is your purpose for these posts?

No accusations, no innuendo, no rambling semi-coherent bullshit. Just an answer.

What, exactly, are you trying to accomplish?
That's all, that simple.

 

[grosso]

@redzulu2003 Thanks for posting.
Sorry but I can't find any pictures there. Do you have a direct link to the pictures you are speaking about?

 

[Solid Snake]

Grosso, can you actually answer a question in a short simple concise fashion?

If so; What is your purpose for these posts?

No accusations, no innuendo, no rambling semi-coherent bullshit. Just an answer.

What, exactly, are you trying to accomplish?
That's all, that simple.

He's avoiding your question Max

 

[synergio]

I've seen parts of the DVD and understand why you would think DLD's penis doesn't look the size he claims, I will say this:
firstly the camera angle is very unflattering on most shots

DLD is sitting slightly hunched forward in most of it, which again is unflattering, when I sit like that fully erect I probably look 4-5 inches (I'm 6.5), thats fully erect, DLD at best in any shots is at 50% erection and easily looks 6-7 inches in this position.

DLD has a considerable fat pad in the DVD

Actually look at DLD's hands in relation, I would say DLD has average sized hands, even semi-erect I would say he could easily fit both his hands on the shaft and have the head uncovered, so relating this to myself, assuming that my hands are the same size as DLD's, fully erect I can fit both my hands on my penis and have very little left uncovered, definitely not a whole head (thats 6.5 fully erect), that would put DLD in my estimation at 7-8 inches at least at a 50% erection.

Looking at girth, (my flaccid girth is around 3.5-4 inches and looks pathetic when I do exercises in relation to my hands, DLD's certainly looks larger in the videos than mine and I can judge this as a lot of the camera work is a POV style, so I would guess at a minimum DLD is around 5 inches flaccid.

I thought DLD did look a little smaller than I expected when I saw the DVD but after thinking about it and seeing what my penis actually looked like with my hands in the different positions I realised that it just "looked" smaller

Just like cameras in ���� that make a guy look bigger, cameras can make a guy look smaller, I mean look how far DLD's penis goes over his thigh in basic stretching (I would say DLD's thighs are fairly wide) and then look at your own, I have and my thighs are damn skinny and it doesn't stretch that far.

I would suggest going one the DVD and getting yourself into some of the poses and looking at your own penis as to estimate size.

Think about it logically, if DLD was average sized wouldn't he do everything possible to make himself look bigger on a DVD that he was selling? Wouldn't he have gotten rid of his fat pad, sat in a more flattering pose or used more flattering camera angles or lighting?

He clearly hasn't, the DVD is shot purely as a learning tool not to promote his size. A teacher does not need to prove his credentials to his class, they simple teach and you can choose to listen, they already know what they are teaching.

Furthermore would this site really still be growing and working if out of all the members none had really gained and were all lying? Are all of them in on it? Does DLD pay us all? He would have to make shit loads from Penis Enlargement to want to keep "scamming" everyone and be able to pay us all something which would make our time worthwhile, do the math.

Say 200,000 free members. Say half of them are premium members. Thats $50 x 100,000 thats $5m........no more income from the site (one off fee)

Thats over ten years, so say $0.5m a year, not sure how much it would be to run a site of this quality, but I'm sure it is fairly expensive.

But then all the members have to be bribed to post gains? So what how much should they get $10 each? Would you go on a website and post for $10 a year? your time isn't worth that surely.....

then theres products and some advertising from size genetics and Bathmate which Im sure are not multi-million contracts........and as far as I am aware are only fairly recent. It just doesn't add up logically that there would be enough to go around for this site to have been maintained for ten years and counting.......surely people on here then who have gained aren't lying?

Don't know maybe my logic flawed.

 

[grosso]

Well, I have spent lots of words, my post is really detailel, so if one really wants to understand what it concerns on e would just need to read it.
Anyway I see that here nobody wants/is able to understand my post. My post doesn't feel welcome here. You can continue to criticizing my post and make fun of it. you are welcome! I don't care any more.
And hey, DLD's penis is definitely not longer than 7 inches- according to his tutorial-video. Besides, none of you was able to show me a proof picture of DLD penis. There are no pictures to be found in this forum.
Besides, it's a shame that nobody here is able to answer to my questions. Yet, they are concrete questions.
Anyway, don't worry, I won't disturb you anymore.