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Hey guys! I decided to open a thread sharing some useful info I believe in. So, here is a thread on length mechanics, everyone is more than welcome to comment and share their experiences and knowledge.

Length mechanics

- High Intensity vs Low Intensity
- Short Duration vs Long Duration
- Useful Additional Information

High intensity is believed to be THE key to gaining meters of length by some, but high intensity is not always THE only key to gaining. Ok, so if High intensity stretching is not THE Holy grail of PE gaining then what else can be its equal? Isn't it important to get a strong stretch to deform the shaft/ligs and therefore make it longer- the stronger the deformation is- the better the gains will be, right? Well I don't think it really works like that always. What most people are not aware of is that when they stretch HARD- their survival mechanisms activate and therefore the Pelvic Floor muscles flex (perform a kegel) to resist the stretch and protect the penis (as your body thinks it is about to get ripped off, it is adapted to the evolutionary threats it was exposed to). What happens then is the STRONG stretch does not have the effect of proper tissue deformation and mitosis induction as we wanted in the beginning of the session.

Low intensity is strongly avoided by many PE-ers. Most people think it is a waste of time and something that is not enough to make your penis grow, because the deformation is not as strong and therefore- less gains will be seen if one does his length session following that principle than the other one that pulls his penis as strong as he can. BUT- low intensity stretches do not triger the survival mechanisms and the penis gets a weak, but proper stretch.

High intensity is really dangerous- especially for the ones that are not conditioned enough to go for it! Many newbies would pull their penises with all they've got and suddenly find themselves in a stuation where injury has occured and they have to stay away from PE-ing and maybe even sex.

Low intensity is the safe way- newbies going for low intensity while stretching are much less likely to cause an injury and take time off PE and sex.

Additional information on intensity level is that the penis (just like every other part of the human body) adapts to the stress it is exposed to. If newbies (or DEconditioned PE-ers) decide to go for the big intensities instead of getting conditioned enough to do so- their penises will gain, yes, but they will also adapt to the stress levels and once they do- they would have to improve their length session (in terms of intensity and/or time spent doing the exercises) to break the plateau they have hit. If PE-er 1 starts his sessions with basic stretches and works his way slowly and steadily up- after a 1 year period- this person would have gained X number of gains and come to updating his length sessions to (just a simple example) mid-to-high intensity of stretching, mid-to-high exercise intensity (as exercises differ in intensity and types of targeting- expressives, ligament stretches, tunica stretches and they all vary in exercise intensity- some are more intense than others etc.) and around 1-2 hours of manual PE a day. If PE-er 2 starts his sessions with more intense exercises such as "The Mandigo Stretch" or any other of that caliber and uses high intensity and works his way up- in a perdiod of 1 year- that PE-er would have gained Y number of gains and would have to do very high intensity of stretching, very high exercise intensity (performing the most intense length stertches he can find) and 3-4 hours of manual PE a day to continue breaking the plateau and therefore- see new gains. This is why it is advised to first take your "Newbie" gains with low intensity and then steadily work your way up. The above mentioned was just a small and simple example including no devices, but you got the main idea.


High duration of length exercising is the type of exercising that can let us reach fatigue and "ride the wave" afterwards for a continous period of time and therefore- making the best length gains possible. Once the ligaments or tunica reach fatigue- they will not resist (but that does not mean that the Pelvic Floor would not flex to "protect" your penis) the stretch and then you can feel how the stretch really stretches you penis. Think of it that way- imagine the ligaments or the tunica as a straight line. Now stretch that straight line and you see it getting deformed (elongated). On a micro level mitosis (the process of cell division of a mother cell to two daughter cells) occurs. After time- the cells of that straight line go through a process of division multiple times and there you go- it is now longer. The reason why it is important to heal elongated is because you are under a process of constant mitosis. These are the basics of the most important law of PE (and maybe even outside of PE) gaining and the masterpiece created by the man who probably knows the most about the human penis- DLD's SRT routine. High duration wins big time! How will you know you have reached a level of tisue fatigue? Well- basically other than soreness- fatigue can be described as the inability to continue a PE length session using the same intensity level (you feel like you need to reduce the weight a bit, a light feeling of discomfort, but NOT pain!). This is also why length sessions are better off being done daily, with no rest days. Once exhaustion has been reached- one must use this massive advantage to gain as much as possible. If any rest taken- exhaution would fade away, the penis ligaments/tunica would be completely healed and the state you fought to get to is now gone and further than before (as you have given the penis a chance to adapt to the stress you have put on it before and now the stress level required is therefore higher- like a muscle (though the penis is NOT a muscle)- train it and it becomes bigger, but it is needed to apply the principles of progression to exceed the previous workout and give it more stress than it is adapted to in order for it to grow. This is also why I believe there "Newbie" gains- since people unfamiliar with PE have no adaptation to any kind of penile stretching/expanding stress and they require a little to gain).

Short duration of length exercising on the other hand- does not provide all the VITAL to gaining effects High duration does. This is why combinations such as Short duration+High intensity or Short duration+Low Intensity do not work by themselves. BUT when combined with the High Duration method AFTERWARDS- they work wonders! So if we have a Short Duration+High Intensity stress (such as a Lengthmaster session or hanging) followed by a High Duration-low intensity/high intensity-passive (PE length devices such as Extenders or All Day+All Night Stretchers)/active type of PE is extremely effective. And the other thing- Low Duration+Low Intensity stress (such a a light manual stretch) followed by a High Duration-low intensity/high intensity-passive/active type of PE is effective as well! And of course there is the High Duration-High Intensity stress followed by a High Duration-low intensity/high intensity-passive/active type of PE (which might be by far the most effective type of length training) and High Duration-High Intensity stress followed by a Low Duration-low intensity/high intensity-passive/active type of PE (which can be really good as well, but here it really depends how long the High Duration is- as active PE (which differs from the active type of healing principles such as Extending/ADS/Cockring and can be something as manual stretching or using special length devices such as the LM) can be much better for gains than the active healing principles, but most people do not have the time to do 6+hours of active PE a day, so- as recommended as High/Low Intensity-High Duration work is- it is a bit impractical for many PE-ers. I believe the above written gave you a fairly good sample on how a length session can be structured and what are the advantages/disadvanteges of any routine's structure over the other type. We all follow regimes based on the time we have to PE a day and we form a micro/meso-cycle of routine. The above written was to get some people a bit more familiar on the principles length works on and help them structure themselves a length micro/meso cycle routine based on the time they can PE in.

This is why PE devices such as Extenders/All Day+All Night Stretchers work so good- because they let us heal actively and make our penises go though a constant (or a much longer) process of mitosis. It is not a MUST to have these devices to gain, but it definitely speeds up the results and makes it MUCH easier for all of us to PE.


Useful Additional Information:
Below I will give links to threads that contain great information to help you all to gain length with additional explanation.

- http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...th-gains.html?highlight=Ultimate+DLD+Blasters
(This is an amazing method to do at the beginning of every length session of yours- this mimics exhaustion of the Pelvic Floor muscle and gives you the oportunity to perform intense stretches with no downsides. You can either perform the exercise (as the stretch is really good) or just do the pre-Pelvic Floor exhaustion principle that gives us what we are looking for)

- http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...al-pullout.html?highlight=Paradoxical+pullout
(Another amazing method to do a High Intensity Length work with no downside effects mentioned above)

- http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...gains-srt.html?highlight=Masturbation+stretch
(Another amazing method to do a High Intensity Length work with no downside effects mentioned above)

- Performing Reverse Kegels while stretching unflexes the Pelvic Floor (as the Kegels flex it) and therefore- you get an amazing and a really effective stretch. This also gets the chances of contraction (kegeling/flexing) out of the picture and therefore get an amazing High Intensity Stretch without the downsides mentioned above.


If you are interested- I can give links to threads and size for more in depth information. Let me know if you want and if I am allowed to give links to other sites. This is it for now, if you have any questions, tips or corrections- make sure to post here and tell me as I am still learning just like everyone else here! I am really looking forward to seeing this thread grow and get some attention. I would LOVE to see how everyone shares their own methodics and experiences. Let us make this a Length thread where different methodics and experiences are covered and exlained with examples! Now... Comment! All the best, Zam! :)
 
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stillwantmore2;621734 said:
I could sum it up. Basically the penis adapts to tension and the key to continued gains over time is forcing it to re adapt on a consistent basis. It's not magic just simple principle. No theories needed, or spreadsheets analyzing results. Just simple tissue traction science.
It's what I base my "Progressive Hanging" concept on.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-...ssive-weight-hanging-gain-more-less-time.html

I read the routine only, cause I am a bit busy now, but I saw the poster in the thread you gave a link to did nothing but to copy Bib's methodics and principles. His advices and writings are one of the main sources of what I know about length. :)
 
"He"(Me/hanger/Stillwantmore2) and BIB actually differ in our approach to hanging. I believe in less time and more consistent progression. BIB believes in more time and less focus on increases in weight on a consistent basis.
 
stillwantmore2;621742 said:
"He"(Me/hanger/Stillwantmore2) and BIB actually differ in our approach to hanging. I believe in less time and more consistent progression. BIB believes in more time and less focus on increases in weight on a consistent basis.

So, this is High Intensity-Low Duration hanging. What is the science behind it, I mean, can you explain and argument yourself on why this method is better using pure raw logic and evidence. I would LOVE to see more and more people sharing their approaches and explaining why they are better- that way we can all learn from each other! :) Can't wait to read your explanation as I really find it interesting to read more about the other method. :)
 
Ok, so I read that post of yours and it seems like the reason why you created this methodics is not because it is more effective than Bib's methods- it is just because it is more suitable in the life of the average man. Am I right? Do you find that method better? Yes, you reach fatigue, but the time you stay extended is 45 minutes (which is 45 minutes for your cells to go through mitosis. Isn't it better if cells stay extended for prolonged periods of time so the division-healing process is longer/better?), which might cause fatigue, but is 45 minutes of active mitosis (active mitosis is the cell division while the penis is stretched). I agree that your methodics can fit better into the average, busy man's routine, but I do not think it is more effective. Where am I wrong?

P.S- Please take my posts with ABSOLUTELY NO offense! I just want to ask you what I do not understand about your method. After all, we are all here to learn and improve our knowledge. :)
 
Well, I basically experimented with different methods. I've hung 9 sets a day for months. Then I tried fewer sets with more weight. Dash posted a similar approach in the hanger forum here. I just believe in getting the most out of the time you have available and the men I turn onto this approach do well.
 
Excellent Thread Zam! I believe the combination of High Intensity vs Low Intensity and Short Duration vs Long Duration are both equally important and should be included in a total routine. High intensity exercises, as in active PE where we are breaking down tissue is where we make a major part of our gains while lower intensity is used to encourage these gains to stick around after they have been broken down, allowing them to heal in an expanded or elongated state. Duration plays a role that most find very personal where some feel longer more frequent workouts bring greater gains while at the same time we se men making just as good of gains with shorter less frequent workouts. I think this goes hand in hand with the amount of intensity used, meaning someone who goes extremely intense may find that longer breaks are necessary to get in similar future workouts.

For me I like to keep my length routines in a guessing stage where I will mix up exercise and tools to prevent the penis from becoming to used to any one tool or exercise. I also like super-sets because they help work many angles within one routine. Another point that I think is important is proper skin stretch. Many guys get what they describe as skin burn and this is usually because skin needs to be stretched to accommodate new length. I have always addressed this by anchoring one hand at the extreme base of the penis so that when I engage the stretch it goes to not only stretch the penis but any skin that would prevent the penis from becoming longer. Lastly, I think that it is vital that men learn to use the Reverse Kegel when doing any stretch because this prevents the pelvic floor muscles from interfering with the stretch. And of course, after any length work I think it is important to keep the penis elongated using a SizeGenetics, Uncle Jims Wrap, VLC, Phallosan, etc.
 
doublelongdaddy;621759 said:
Excellent Thread Zam! I believe the combination of High Intensity vs Low Intensity and Short Duration vs Long Duration are both equally important and should be included in a total routine. High intensity exercises, as in active PE where we are breaking down tissue is where we make a major part of our gains while lower intensity is used to encourage these gains to stick around after they have been broken down, allowing them to heal in an expanded or elongated state. Duration plays a role that most find very personal where some feel longer more frequent workouts bring greater gains while at the same time we se men making just as good of gains with shorter less frequent workouts. I think this goes hand in hand with the amount of intensity used, meaning someone who goes extremely intense may find that longer breaks are necessary to get in similar future workouts.

For me I like to keep my length routines in a guessing stage where I will mix up exercise and tools to prevent the penis from becoming to used to any one tool or exercise. I also like super-sets because they help work many angles within one routine. Another point that I think is important is proper skin stretch. Many guys get what they describe as skin burn and this is usually because skin needs to be stretched to accommodate new length. I have always addressed this by anchoring one hand at the extreme base of the penis so that when I engage the stretch it goes to not only stretch the penis but any skin that would prevent the penis from becoming longer. Lastly, I think that it is vital that men learn to use the Reverse Kegel when doing any stretch because this prevents the pelvic floor muscles from interfering with the stretch. And of course, after any length work I think it is important to keep the penis elongated using a SizeGenetics, Uncle Jims Wrap, VLC, Phallosan, etc.

Thank you very much DLD! I believe it lies on your SRT principle methodics as well. :)

So you frequently change exercises and devices you use to avoid the penis from getting adapted to any of these and keep it guessing. How often do you recommend doing this?
 
Zambrodom3;621764 said:
So you frequently change exercises and devices you use to avoid the penis from getting adapted to any of these and keep it guessing. How often do you recommend doing this?

Yes, I think having a few different approaches to any one workout will keep the penis is a "guessing" state. The penis can become too familiar with any one exercise or tool, so it is good to have some variance in this.
 
doublelongdaddy;621826 said:
Yes, I think having a few different approaches to any one workout will keep the penis is a "guessing" state. The penis can become too familiar with any one exercise or tool, so it is good to have some variance in this.

How often do you recommend this being done?
 
Zambrodom3;621830 said:
How often do you recommend this being done?

I try to mix things up with every session but keeping within a few exercises and tools. Length one day may be SRT Size Blasters while the next day it will be DLD Blasters and maybe on the third day LengthMaster stretching. In girth similar moves, maybe 3 exercises that are used on different days. This keeps it much more fun for me and my penis is always getting a different workout. Sometimes I may even revert back to the Newbie Routine and rebuild from that into another cycle of SRT. I can get bored doing the same thing every day so keeping a solid arsenal of exercises and equipment variety is important to me staying in the game.
 
So is it more for gaining purposes or for making things a bit more interesting purposes? Or maybe both? :)
 
now that i read that gs pardoixal pullout it makes sence why my flacid strech varies sometimes i measure 9.1 then measure again after a workout or little while later and it goes as far down as 8.7 , anyway i mastered this in a matter or 3 trys lol , im getting it everytime now gonna work with this for this week then start my new routine, btw im not getting no 2 inch increase in fsl but there is an increase imagine 1 whole inch thats insane lol but 2 gtfo hahaha
 
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Zambrodom3;622050 said:
So is it more for gaining purposes or for making things a bit more interesting purposes? Or maybe both? :)

Little bit of both. It keeps the penis in a guessing state while it keeps the routines fun for me.
 
Guys have gained using both methods so obviously both work. It is like the debate that has been going on in bodybuilding for years about low volume vs high volume training. Champions have been made using both. I have used high intensity for most of my PE career and have gained very well from it but lately I have been using lower intensity and putting in more time and I am seeing results from it. Although the intensity is lower it is not real low as I think real low intensity is only useful for healing. So I think it is a matter of preference and lifestyle as you can gain both ways.
 
tef1;622311 said:
Guys have gained using both methods so obviously both work. It is like the debate that has been going on in bodybuilding for years about low volume vs high volume training. Champions have been made using both. I have used high intensity for most of my PE career and have gained very well from it but lately I have been using lower intensity and putting in more time and I am seeing results from it. Although the intensity is lower it is not real low as I think real low intensity is only useful for healing. So I think it is a matter of preference and lifestyle as you can gain both ways.

I absolutely agree! High intensity when combined with long duration active healing PE and some PC muscle exhaution and fatigue is truly AMAZING! :)
 
Good thread! Let me BUMP it! Might not be 100% true and accurate, but still better read than no read. :) LMAO!

P.S- Feels good to be home! :)
 
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High intensity= Faster gains, noticeable gains
Low intensity= slower gains, gradual gains, more cementing gains

Low duration=Must have high intensity
High duration= Beating the shit out of your meat because it's incapable of gaining from short duration
 
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