Easy Girth Gains?

K, so I primarily use an extender and have been sloppy on and off. Then I started jelqing about 3 weeks ago.

3 weeks ago I was at 6.5" NBPenis EnlargementL and 5.5 MSEG.

Been jelqing consistently every single day with only one day off in that 3 weeks. Did about 3 ULIs each day after the jelqing. Most of it was fast jelqing until today where I slowed it down to 3 second (wet) jelqs... course I got my first "red spot" today too

Anyway, did well on extender for 2 weeks there, then sloppy on the 3rd (like 0-2 hours per day).


I measured today, and while I think I had gained on length, due to the last sloppy week, I think I lost it.... I was still at 6.5" NBPenis EnlargementL.

But.... My girth is up to 5.75". I'd like to hit between 6.25" and 6.5" MSEG as my Long Term Goal. Frankly, it's starting to look like girth will be the easy part for me and length will be much harder.

So when I began in early March, I was at 5.25" MSEG I think... so that means I've gained about 1/2" in just 3 months... isn't this uncommon? 1/2 of that (1/4" was before any jelqing) and the last 1/4" I do attribute to daily jelqing and ULIs.

Anyway, I just wanted some comments from more experienced folks on this and also on why I got a red spot? (I'm assuming I'm gonna hear something about gripping too hard). I'm real excited about the girth-course I got NOTHING on length, so overall it was kind of a mixed or neutral feeling. But isn't girth usually harder to get for most guys? Let me know what you think.

EDIT: Also, I forgot-I did do some "Cock Ring Clamping", that is, I wore a cock ring during sex 3 or 4 times and it was pretty engorged, probably for 20 minutes each time with zero discomfort or issues... could that have added to this? It was a stretchy silicone cock ring designed for sex and to be worn no more than 40 minutes I think?

Doc, length comes easier than girth. The fact is that almost everyone experience a initial boost in girth due to the huge amount of blood being forced there. The spaces existed, they`re just not fully filled with blood. I experienced a 0.5 girth increase in about 3 weeks. Anyway... I can only attribute this to this theory...

Dorsay;435000 said:

Doc, length comes easier than girth.

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Especially in the first 6 months, at least for me. I gained about .5" of girth in my first 6 months while I gained 2" in length. It was when I stepped up my girth work in Phase 2 that I started to see much better girth gains. For me it was super-sets that made all the difference. I believe I wrote the DLD Girth Super-sets at around this same time so my mind was exploring more intense ways to increase girth gains.

I disagree. Neither is easier then other as it seems to vary from man to man. What is certain, is the thicker your penis becomes than the more growth is needed for length to occur as more surface area is having to be grown 'into'. Example 6x4 cock and a 6x7 cock. The former with all things equal will gain length easier.

Geeze, good point zulu, I had forgotten... so I'm getting pretty thick-perhaps I should knock it off and just work length for the next few months til I get that extra inch I so truly desire and then go back to girth as needed???

I'm pretty pleased with it at this point-looks very fat and entertaining lol but I'd really like to be 7.5 or 8 NBPenis EnlargementL WITH a fat cock.

It also just occurred to me that perhaps my SL has shrunk BECAUSE of the girth work eh? Or a combination of girth work and fucking off....

So what would be decent maintenance to keep my girth where it's at for now? 100 jelqs/day? every other day? once a week?

I think so yes but sure others wont agree which is fine. I wish I had worked length first and than girth.

REDZULU2003;435071 said:

I disagree. Neither is easier then other as it seems to vary from man to man. What is certain, is the thicker your penis becomes than the more growth is needed for length to occur as more surface area is having to be grown 'into'. Example 6x4 cock and a 6x7 cock. The former with all things equal will gain length easier.

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So your saying that if you gain girth first...it'll be easier to gain length after wards?

I think you are going at everything fine Doc and when you have let more time pass with the current routine your gains will keep coming. If you lost some SL (I'm assuming is Stretch Length) it is most likely from fatigue and that is completely fine so nothing worry about.

afewmoreinches;435086 said:

So your saying that if you gain girth first...it'll be easier to gain length after wards?

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No, the opposite I think is true

What is certain, is the thicker your penis becomes than the more growth is needed for length to occur as more surface area is having to be grown 'into'.

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I think this makes logical sense and from a scientific viewpoint I would imagine it makes more sense.

7x4 penis (Erection volume of blood = 147mls) {9.011199999999993 cubic inches}
7x5 penis (Erection volume of blood = 228mls) {13.90454999999999 CI}
7x6 penis (Erection volume of blood = 327mls) {19.854999999999983 CI} Twice the volume of 7x4

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7x4 all things being equal and by that I mean the other two subjects have and follow the same variables as well as (routine etc) then the 7 by 4 will grow in length faster than the other two.

To me this makes perfect sense in both logic and a scientific viewpoint because more area (volume) exists in the other two and as a result more growth is needed to overcome it.

afewmoreinches;435086 said:

So your saying that if you gain girth first...it'll be easier to gain length after wards?

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I think he's saying the opposite. He's saying that girth builds more mass which means harder to stretch and get length. So he's saying for him at least and likely many of us-that it might be best to do length, THEN girth as it might be more efficient in the long run than both together or girth first. I think that's what Mr. Red is saying.

Here's a quick formula to show a better example

The subject has a 8 inch penis with 2 inch width (Approx 6.30 inch girth) has 25.14285714285712 cubic inches volume to it when fully erect 100%



Okay so that penis gains length from 8 inches to 8.3 inches. Lets look at the maths.

8.3 inch penis with 2 inch width (Approx 6.30 inch girth) now has 26.085714285714264 cubic inches volume to it when fully erect 100%


So a gain of roughly 1 cubic inch in size or 0.94285714285714 cubic inches to be exact Doesnt sound bad does it? now lets look at the following example.

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8 inch penis with 2 inch width (Approx 6.30 inch girth) has 25.14285714285712 cubic inches volume to it when fully erect 100%

He gains in girth from 6.30 inches to 6.60 inches or in width 2.11 inches from 2 inches. His length stays the same but the gain is still the same number as the subject from the past example had for his length gain (0.30 inches) but this however makes a drastic difference to the volume in pens size!

With this gain the size is as follows;

8 inch penis with 2.3 inch width (Approx 6.60 inch girth) now has 33.25142857142854 cubic inches volume to it when fully erect 100%


That's a staggering 8.10857142857142 cubic inches volume gain compared to 0.94285714285714 cubic inches with the same gain but on the length side instead of the girth.

Do you see how this translates now into growth? more is needed for a thicker penis and the maths don't lie.



So could you now see how better it would be to target length on the 'thinner' penis rather then the thicker one?

Also, as girth is gained so is length as a side effect. Check out my thread on this subject HERE

after reading DLD's post i believe he's saying that focusing on 1 or the other is optional...but focusing on both will gain length & girth more rapidly.

after reading redzulu's post i believe the math behind it all is saying that if you focus on girth- it will produce more length eventually.... (im guessing)...im not really to good at reading this math stuff.

Am i wrong or right with these assumptions?

I appreciate the input from you vets, including the math

I'm finding that I'm addicted to jelqing now... So I doubt that I can cut back or just stop doing it. I do think I can slow down maybe and stick to my 500/day. And I like math, so I don't mind counting. I think that's 15-20 minutes of jelqing in my case. Either way, I wouldn't want to jeopardize my girth so I'm gonna keep going and hope what DLD is saying (both is best) is true in my physiological case. Also-the jelqing has been so effective, I may go ahead and bite the bullet and finally start trying the newbie routine in addition to all my extending. I'm a slow learner, what can I say.

Crazy Doc;435269 said:

including the math

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Yeah, those higher numbers are pretty fun to fuck with!

afewmoreinches;435257 said:

after reading DLD's post i believe he's saying that focusing on 1 or the other is optional...but focusing on both will gain length & girth more rapidly.

after reading redzulu's post i believe the math behind it all is saying that if you focus on girth- it will produce more length eventually.... (im guessing)...im not really to good at reading this math stuff.

Am i wrong or right with these assumptions?

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I'm not saying if you focus on girth it will produce length gains eventually, re-read what I wrote. It outlines an example in that last post for the same subject with a 8x6.3 inch penis. I show his stats when he gained to 8.3x6.3 and 8x6.6 the massive difference in volume needed for girth gains.

My WHOLE POINT on this is the thicker the penis becomes the more growth it needs compared to a thinner penis. The maths clearly shows this I think.

What DLD says is ofcourse correct in that girth workouts hit length and vice versa but obviously you can work either in isolation of the other. The growth I noticed in length from my early days of just wet jelqs was a side effect to the girth growing and I would have seen more length if I had done stretches which are aimed at length.

Hangers notice some girth gains because the length grows but needs a thicker support at the base, we see this in cranes and buildings so it happens in nature too.

Crazy Doc;435269 said:

I appreciate the input from you vets, including the math

I'm finding that I'm addicted to jelqing now... So I doubt that I can cut back or just stop doing it. I do think I can slow down maybe and stick to my 500/day. And I like math, so I don't mind counting. I think that's 15-20 minutes of jelqing in my case. Either way, I wouldn't want to jeopardize my girth so I'm gonna keep going and hope what DLD is saying (both is best) is true in my physiological case. Also-the jelqing has been so effective, I may go ahead and bite the bullet and finally start trying the newbie routine in addition to all my extending. I'm a slow learner, what can I say.

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The maths is just to illustrate a point, I dont ask anyone to like it. If DLD believed that only doing girth work because it also helps with length or only doing length because you will still gain, he wouldn't have such broad routines with both length and girth catered for! YES length exercises also hit girth and YES girth exercises hit the length this is not rocket science and doesn't take someone with brains to workout but what I was saying with the 'maths' was essentially once a penis becomes THICKER it takes more growth for that compared to the SAME Penis EnlargementNIS which has gained the same number in length and in my example this was 0.30 inches right!

What DLD is saying about girth translating over to length and vice versa is irrelevant in my example because I wasn't discussing that as said above and don't want anyone to get confused with that.

doublelongdaddy;435288 said:

Yeah, those higher numbers are pretty fun to fuck with!

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Not sure what this means but when you have the number WHOLE and not rounded off it can be more meaningful and show a difference compared to just in 8.11 that would normally be in the example 8.10857142857142 and you could in some circumstances track very slight changes in size such as in millimetres for example.

Just do water displacement lol. Get a massage table with a big 1' diameter hole in it, lay down with your cock over the big hole, get a raging erection. Then take a completely full tupperware deal of water and let the dick go into it to the base, then measure how much water was displaced. It's easy-sili zulu.