dex,

>So when i hang in a btc or downward position, it will have no effect on the shape of the penis because im only doing lig work and no tunica work?<

No. Even at the lower angles, the outer tunica is stressed.

>Or in other words, only tunica stretching or hanging has some effects on the shape of the penis (upward or downward curve).<

Yes. The tough sheathlike tunica, and it's shape, is what determines the shape of the shaft. It is also what limits the volume of an erection.

>Do you know which impact ots hanging has on the shape of the penis? Im asking because ots hits the tunica pretty well.<

It depends on how you hang OTS. If it is absolutely straight, then the tunica will tend to be straightened. If you use fulcrums, there will probably be uneven stretching, which may be fine, and the tunica can and probably will curve.

Bigger
 
Bib said:
Dex,
>Is it possible to raise your LOT without gaining?<

Yes. If the inner tunica is stretched, the LOT would rise. But if the ligs attachments from the shaft to the pubic bone were strong enough and tight enough, the gains may not be displayed until the ligs are stretched.
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What do you think, how tight have the ligs to be to prevent tunica gains?
Can you give a LOT number?


Bib said:
Dex,
>In the quote beneath you said that working the upper angles with a high LOT, can lead to no gains because of tight liqs.<

The reason is, at some point, I can see a guy hanging at the upper angles, and the ligs taking some of the stress. The point is, if the ligs are taking any stress at the upper angles, then it is time to switch to the lower angles, which will stress the ligs much more effectively.
Bigger

Can the ligs take some stress while doing tunica hanging, for example ots,when you have a 8-9 LOT?

Bib said:
If you are asking what the mean or average LOT is, I would guess somewhere between 8-9.
Bigger

Do you really think that there are guys with LOTs in the range from >10-12?
I can not imagine that this is possible. I think 10 might be the highest.
 
dex,

>What do you think, how tight have the ligs to be to prevent tunica gains?<

Tight enough to prevent the full extension of the normal erection.

>Can you give a LOT number?<

No.

>Do you really think that there are guys with LOTs in the range from >10-12?<

Sure. I know I was a 12. If you have a vertical pubic bone, and the ligs firmly attach the inner shaft to the face of the pubic bone, you will have a 12.

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Bib said:
dex,
If the stress is applied uniformly out, it will tend to straighten any curve. This has often been reported.
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So when you are hanging straight out, you will work the tunica and the tunica will straighten, so that the upward curve is gone.
How can i be sure then, that i made real gains? May be i got only gains because of the fact that i have straighten out my curve and i got no real shaft growth.
Do you see the problem?
 
dex,

>So when you are hanging straight out, you will work the tunica and the tunica will straighten, so that the upward curve is gone.<

From what I have read, yes. The shorter sides, fibers, will be stretched first and most.

>How can i be sure then, that i made real gains? May be i got only gains because of the fact that i have straighten out my curve and i got no real shaft growth.<

If that is how you define "real gains", I have no answer. I would say, whatever allows you to more easily reach the CDS of a woman is real gains.

>Do you see the problem?<

No. Even if you straighten a curve, and this results in a gain, it does not disallow the prospect of other, or further gains from total tunica stretch, and gains from lig stretch.

Bigger
 
Bib:
1)Can one gain just as much length working the tunica vs. the ligs.
In the previous year hanging BTC I never gained, finding out my lot is 6 so I started SO and OTS stretching. 2) Do you think one can gain just a much from his tunica if he didn't gain from his ligs.
How much (do u)(can everybody get 4inches like u?) can it be lengthened.

3)Are tunica lengthing harder to get then ligs past a "newbie" stage.
also, 4) is it true that this lot theory is just a guide and doesn't neccessarily mean that having a low lot means you will not gain as much. I read a lot of people sounding discouraged that their lot is low, but my Q is that isn't this just a reference or is it that having a lower lot means less length gains?
:)
 
sweets,

>1)Can one gain just as much length working the tunica vs. the ligs.
In the previous year hanging BTC I never gained, finding out my lot is 6 so I started SO and OTS stretching. 2) Do you think one can gain just a much from his tunica if he didn't gain from his ligs.<

Yes, I believe one can gain more from the tunica than ligs. I believe I had great potential for gains from lig stretch, and made two inches of gain from pulling inner penis down and out. I believe the rest of my gains were made from tunica stretch/growth.

The fact is, actual gains from lig stretch are limited to the amount of inner penis which can be exposed. Tunica gains are only limited by the amount of stress you can apply and withstand, to the tunica.

Now, surely some guys will have an easier time than others. First, the ligs surely appear to be much easier to stretch and deform than the tunica. Some guys tunica stretch much easier than others. The failure level for the tunica fibers of some guys will be well under ten lbs. For others, it is over 30 lbs.

>How much (do u)(can everybody get 4inches like u?) can it be lengthened.<

I know of two other hangers that have reported gains as much or more than mine (4 inches BPenis EnlargementL or more). I know of several in the three inch range. However, that is surely not the norm. In fact, those reported gains are outlyers, and should not be considered as generally possible.

Most guys do not wish for that much of a gain. Then, other guys do not wish to delve into the stress amounts needed for greater and greater gains. Many guys tire of the Penis Enlargement grind, even hanging. That is why I always recommend that hangers get as comfortable as possible, and have plenty of multi-tasking duties to perform while hanging. Just let it happen.

>3)Are tunica lengthing harder to get then ligs past a "newbie" stage.<

I believe, from reports and my own experience, tunica gains are always tougher than gains from lig stretch.

>also, 4) is it true that this lot theory is just a guide and doesn't neccessarily mean that having a low lot means you will not gain as much.<

The LOT theory is a guide. The only point of the theory that I can find in question is the difference in the angle of the pubic bones of different guys. That can create a different reading. However, the basics of the theory is true, and if understood, will lead to a better understanding of how a guy's Penis Enlargement program should be structured.

I do not understand how anyone can conclude that the LOT theory can predict gains whatsoever. The potential for gains from lig stretch do matter, but perhaps the individual relative strength of each tunica matters more. In fact, there are a huge number of variables that determine how much one can or will gain. The LOT theory does not address most of those variable.

Example, one could have an LOT of 12, but extremely tough ligaments, which make it tough to realize that potential for gains from lig stretch.

Or, one could have an LOT of 6, but extremely weak tunica collagenous tissue, and make great gains.

>I read a lot of people sounding discouraged that their lot is low, but my Q is that isn't this just a reference or is it that having a lower lot means less length gains?<

There is absolutely no reason to be discouraged because of one's LOT. The LOT theory simply points that individual to stress the entire tunica, inner and outer, by working at the upper angles, and therefore stressing the entire tunica.

Bigger
 
Excellent read, and you couldn't of answered these questions and better.

1)How long did it take you to gain your first inch. Did you plataue any time

getting to that inch. At what if any pionts did you plataue after that.

2) How much time did you spend on your length routine or what is a

good amount of time to spend(I spend about an hour+ADS). 3) How did you

increase your intensity when you felt you were plataueing?:)
 
so let me see if im going to test my LOT correctly

i get an erection then i do a kegal, and wherever my base stops moving up is my lot?

oh and ive peed before but i just started to be daily and serious a week ago exactly, ive done the newbie routine and added some ulis and supra slammers to my routine, and my erection quality is so so, definitly cant get full ons, will this effect it?

thank you for any help
 
hatecock said:
so let me see if im going to test my LOT correctly

i get an erection then i do a kegal, and wherever my base stops moving up is my lot?

oh and ive peed before but i just started to be daily and serious a week ago exactly, ive done the newbie routine and added some ulis and supra slammers to my routine, and my erection quality is so so, definitly cant get full ons, will this effect it?

thank you for any help

I dont think it done like that well i dont read my lot like that u have to be flaccid and u look for loss of tug back so i would stretch my penis to the floor then kegal and my penis would not tug my hand back so that means i have a low lot then i would place my penis up and kegal and my hand would get pulled back by my penis this is because of my ligs why this happens because my ligs are low, pointing to the ground there is no tugg back but pointing up there is.

so what ur looking for weather ur stretching down straight out or up is when u kegal ur feeling for when u hands starts to get pulled back by ur penis and as soon as u feel this that is ur LOT LOSS OFF TUG.

OR u want to feel for when the tug back is not as strong then that is your lot so which ever angle the kegals are weak and ur hands does not get pull back as strong is your lot.
 
So if my lot is say 6 then what does the theory say about the exercises I should use.
 
Canuk said:
So if my lot is say 6 then what does the theory say about the exercises I should use.

OTS you should be stretching at upper angles but it can take alot more time to stretch the tuncia.
 
Awesome thread.
Just test and it seems I'm close to 8 o clock. Hum, so i've to strech more up than down.
 
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kenryu21;456171 said:
Awesome thread.
Just test and it seems I'm close to 8 o clock. Hum, so i've to strech more up than down.

You have to stretch for all angles no matter what your LOT is!
 
Ive been reading and trying to understand this but I do not know much about the inside tissues. Bib, my erection angle is around a 9 or 9:30, I do have trouble gaining. My el is 5.6, .5 of that took me 6 months, now the gains have been coming very slow. Is hanging the new best way to loosen the ligs resulting in longer ligs and a longer penis. I do not have a hanger but I do have weights. What is the best way and angle I should hang weight from to losen my ligs the best. I know once I start hanging my penis will get a lot of excess skin that my penis will need to grow into. Thanks, I tried looking at �other forum� page, couldn't open the pics to get a better idea.
 
olshlong;463752 said:
Ive been reading and trying to understand this but I do not know much about the inside tissues. Bib, my erection angle is around a 9 or 9:30, I do have trouble gaining. My el is 5.6, .5 of that took me 6 months, now the gains have been coming very slow. Is hanging the new best way to loosen the ligs resulting in longer ligs and a longer penis. I do not have a hanger but I do have weights. What is the best way and angle I should hang weight from to losen my ligs the best. I know once I start hanging my penis will get a lot of excess skin that my penis will need to grow into. Thanks, I tried looking at �other forum� page, couldn't open the pics to get a better idea.

You would be better understanding SRT theory instead of LOT theory as they both are saying similar things but SRT gives you a clear, smooth path to how to use your penis to your advantage. LOT, or loss of tug back makes general assumptions about why some men gain and others do not and, according to theory, this is highly dependent on your penis exit point and whether you should spend you time doing upward stretching or downward stretching. This does make some sense but why allow our exit point or LOT determine how much size we can gain and from where? Is it not easier to just change the exit point and continue to reap gains from multiple angles? In SRT theory I concentrate heavily on Expressive Stretching and ES changes your LOT and exit point! In addition, stretching internal penis becomes very easy through basic exercises like the DLD Hardcore Bathmate Stretches and the various PowerAssist and LengthMaster EX stretches. One could even opt to stretch from the base to alter exit point and effect LOT.

I am the kind of person that needs to know everything an research it all before I can agree. I am a deductive person, I am very basic an very simple, my intelligence is definitely a animated version of Game Theory:) Basic, deductive thinking says if LOT is disallowing me from stretching in a certain way then I will change what my LOT is.:)
 
Theories are just theories (for lazy people)! If you want to gain just stretch hard every angle, imo you can get most out of it by doing so :). Look at it this way, if you work every angle, tunica and ligaments, there is NO WAY that you won't gain. Ha topped all of ya theories with that ;)
 
lazyhanger;463888 said:
Theories are just theories (for lazy people)! If you want to gain just stretch hard every angle, imo you can get most out of it by doing so :). Look at it this way, if you work every angle, tunica and ligaments, there is NO WAY that you won't gain. Ha topped all of ya theories with that ;)


Keep it simple, if that is too complicated, keep it simpler!
 
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