HCG Experiment
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pokure;572414 said:
Yesterday marked 1 week on:
3iu HGH 6on 1 off
2.5 g DHT gel (x2 weekdays; x1 weekends)
Nothing to report for the time being apart from a slight increase in libido and tingling sensation in the knees from the HGH. Didn't expect much to happen since all the studies I've seen, the results were taken after 8-16 weeks, but more importantly 1. they were mostly done on pubertal or pre-pubertal children so their androgen receptors are pretty sensitive to dht, 2. I'm using 2.5% dht gel, 3. Its said that transdermal gels have a 10% absortion rate...
I'm hoping to be on this protocol for 4 to 8 unless I have any adverse affects. More to report in a few weeks i guess.
UPDATE 2
Monday marked 2 full weeks on the protocol - 3iu HGH & 2.5g dht gel twice a day. My libido is slightly up and flaccid hangs a bit fuller, I also feel my erect girth has increased a little but that could be wishful thinking. I will only take measurements at 1 month mark. No hair loss noticeable as of yet.
I believe that at 2.5% concentration, the gel is not that strong to see any quick changes. So patience could be key here.
Monday marked 2 full weeks on the protocol - 3iu HGH & 2.5g dht gel twice a day. My libido is slightly up and flaccid hangs a bit fuller, I also feel my erect girth has increased a little but that could be wishful thinking. I will only take measurements at 1 month mark. No hair loss noticeable as of yet.
I believe that at 2.5% concentration, the gel is not that strong to see any quick changes. So patience could be key here.
good stuff sounds like your doing good to forget to do erect girth and length measurements before to compare. lol
Hey man just a tip If it were me I would take HCG after any testosterone or DHT treatments to help reboot the natural release of testosterone from the balls. As I read were bodybuilders take HCG after a steroid cycle as you are aware. And HCG in some studys seem to be effective in penis growth with people with micro penis as your probably aware as well.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214853/
hCG (1,500-2,000 IU) was administrated intramuscularly, 3 times per week, for 8 weeks. Basic laboratory and hormonal indexes (including serum testosterone and LH levels), penis length (flaccid and stretched), and testicular volume were measured before and 24 weeks after hCG treatment. The patients' mean age was 18.9 years (range, 12 to 24 years). this may be a little extreme but they got results. there must be something to take to block any estrogenic effects. If it was me after the HCG treatment I then would get some tongkat ali, a natural herb that stimulates the leydig cells to produce testosterone and take that along with Milk thistle to help protect and stimulate the liver to work good.which should also help in penis growth. and should help bring the body to a more stable and natural state just to make sure. The problem to figure out here is what to take with HCG and is there a effective way to take it prolonged and counteract the side effects. Or maybe it would be better to stick to 2 months on HCG and cycle between a reliable tongkat ali source and HCG. seems like a good way for you to get gains.
hCG (1,500-2,000 IU) was administrated intramuscularly, 3 times per week, for 8 weeks. Basic laboratory and hormonal indexes (including serum testosterone and LH levels), penis length (flaccid and stretched), and testicular volume were measured before and 24 weeks after hCG treatment. The patients' mean age was 18.9 years (range, 12 to 24 years). this may be a little extreme but they got results. there must be something to take to block any estrogenic effects. If it was me after the HCG treatment I then would get some tongkat ali, a natural herb that stimulates the leydig cells to produce testosterone and take that along with Milk thistle to help protect and stimulate the liver to work good.which should also help in penis growth. and should help bring the body to a more stable and natural state just to make sure. The problem to figure out here is what to take with HCG and is there a effective way to take it prolonged and counteract the side effects. Or maybe it would be better to stick to 2 months on HCG and cycle between a reliable tongkat ali source and HCG. seems like a good way for you to get gains.
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Its has been just over a month. On my second tube of the stuff.
Not much happened since last update. I must say though that i find the gel weaker than expected, at 2.5% it could take 3-4 months to see any growth:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/11910204
On this study the subjects were all children (with micropenis), whose androgen receptors would have been pretty sensitive to the DHT. Least to say I'm not expecting any miracles here.
However if I was to highlight the good and the bad from the experiment I would say:
Positives - flaccid hangs fuller and lower, erections are strong although my erection quality always been good.
Negatives - the gel contains alcohol which leaves my skin dry, 2.5% seems weak to the purpose of the experiment
Also must add that I've experienced no hair loss visible so far. I will continue with my second tube and will not take any measurements yet as I don't think much has changed (perhaps a tiny bit of width). Will have to purchase another couple of tubes to last me around the 3-4 month mark.
Ultra
Not much happened since last update. I must say though that i find the gel weaker than expected, at 2.5% it could take 3-4 months to see any growth:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/11910204
On this study the subjects were all children (with micropenis), whose androgen receptors would have been pretty sensitive to the DHT. Least to say I'm not expecting any miracles here.
However if I was to highlight the good and the bad from the experiment I would say:
Positives - flaccid hangs fuller and lower, erections are strong although my erection quality always been good.
Negatives - the gel contains alcohol which leaves my skin dry, 2.5% seems weak to the purpose of the experiment
Also must add that I've experienced no hair loss visible so far. I will continue with my second tube and will not take any measurements yet as I don't think much has changed (perhaps a tiny bit of width). Will have to purchase another couple of tubes to last me around the 3-4 month mark.
Ultra
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I'm aware of that study, which was what prompted to start this whole ordeal. I did use HCG for a while as you can read from earlier posts. I was incredibly horny on the stuff, but what made me to stop was some noticable hair loss on my temples.
I do have 10,000iu of HCG in the fridge and some Tamoxifen to counteract the estrogen sides that you've mentioned. But adding those to a dht gel might be too much for my endocrine system... I'm considering it though.
I'm aware of that study, which was what prompted to start this whole ordeal. I did use HCG for a while as you can read from earlier posts. I was incredibly horny on the stuff, but what made me to stop was some noticable hair loss on my temples.
I do have 10,000iu of HCG in the fridge and some Tamoxifen to counteract the estrogen sides that you've mentioned. But adding those to a dht gel might be too much for my endocrine system... I'm considering it though.
kool ya what I meant was doing HCG after you did your DHT cycle then after your done the HCG you can go to tongkat ali for a while to take the natural approach and bring your body back to a natural(normal) state.take the tongkat ali with milk thistle to help protect the liver(you would have to take milk thistle for 2-3 weeks before starting tongkat ali for the milk thistle to start working). So I would say if you did this approach you could go on hcg high dose for a while and the tongkat ali would reboot any problems the prolonged hcg could have caused, that is what I would try anyways. http://www.tongkatali-wholesale.com/ dunno if that is a legit seller but that's where Id try buying as you gotta make sure you buy real tongkat ali and dont get ripped off. Also my belief is that you would have to see some hair lose to gain down there through chemical Penis Enlargement alone. You could do saw palmetto also after your done all this treatment as it is suppose to regrow hair but I also heard of some negative effects of it on certain people like making the penis smaller.Ultra;574253 said:
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It has been 6 weeks since i started on the dht gel.
I have two options in my head as where to go to further this experiment:
1. HCG - Have 10,000 iu sitting pretty and a box of tamoxifen. However if the issue is a partial lack of convertion of T into DHT, how will more T help? Is it not much better to get dht directly? This leads me my next option.
2. Finasteride - to desensitise my dht receptors. 2-3 weeks on 0.5-1g/day and then continue on the dht gel for another few weeks. Would also use RU to help prevent any possible hair loss.
Kingsnake has mentioned on another forum, how ronielle (if you don't know him google 'chemical penis enlargemnet') has done this several times - 1 month on finasteride followed by weeks of dht gel. Apparently its given him plenty more girth..... so maybe this could be a way to go.
Would REALLY VALUE any input, opinion and knowledge of anyone on this board that could help.
I have two options in my head as where to go to further this experiment:
1. HCG - Have 10,000 iu sitting pretty and a box of tamoxifen. However if the issue is a partial lack of convertion of T into DHT, how will more T help? Is it not much better to get dht directly? This leads me my next option.
2. Finasteride - to desensitise my dht receptors. 2-3 weeks on 0.5-1g/day and then continue on the dht gel for another few weeks. Would also use RU to help prevent any possible hair loss.
Kingsnake has mentioned on another forum, how ronielle (if you don't know him google 'chemical penis enlargemnet') has done this several times - 1 month on finasteride followed by weeks of dht gel. Apparently its given him plenty more girth..... so maybe this could be a way to go.
Would REALLY VALUE any input, opinion and knowledge of anyone on this board that could help.
I know that feeling What do you think about 10%dht http://genderoutlaw.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/using-dht/