Very serious question for DLD, others are welcome to chime in!

DLD what percentage did you use to train at when you where going for girth, back in the earlier days when you made big gains without devices?

I have a big problem, i've been doing my own version of the Frendos, basicly i get clamped tight, but instead of putting two peice of tile, i just lay my cock on the desk and use a hard piece of wood, about 4 1/2 inches wide by 7 long.
So im getting a maximum pressure from the 4 1/2 inches being applied to the center of the shaft.
Every thing was going fine until i started to get burst capillaries, at first i was thinking who cares, so i kept going but they progressively got worse.
Now, they don't hurt, but i have a HUGE bruise that goes down the side of my cock, from the head to the base where im ususally clamped, the bruise is about 1/2 inch wide on both sides (its from the pressure being applied to create width)
IT'S very very black and purple and red, honestly if it wasn't so serious it would be pretty funny because it looks like i have racing stripes going down the side of my cock!
I've left it for 4 days and it hasn't even lightened, ususally after one day they seem lighter, i don't know what to do, and im torn because i really don't want to stop exercising.
I finaly found an exercise that brings me insane girth expansion (3/4'' everytime), it takes almost 4 days to go back down to 5'', to be honest im becoming a little disgruntled, i don't understand why, if im getting so much expansion, and it takes a while to even go back to my original size, then how come it isn't cementing?
is it because im going to hard or because im not going hard enough, and if im going to hard i can't drop any sessions, i only do them 2x a week, and if i have to do more i worry it will render me impotent.
I don't know what to do any more, i want to be 6'' mseg more than anything, more than i want to give my girlfriend anal!
But i know for a fact that i don't gain with light exercises (i tried those for 3 years and nothing!) and i know now that if i put in to much intensity my cock and EQ gets fucked!
Anyways, i would realy appreciate your help on this matter, infact, i need it!
Thank you for taking the time to read this rediculous message, i spent half an hour this morning measuring and then re-measuring to make sure i was still 7'', thankfully i am! OCD i mean! your not alone.

Hmmm... You are not the only one OCD here! But that doesnt matter now. As much as I don't like saying it- I think you must wait until you recover and then go for it again. It seems like your blood vessels were not ready to go for that pressure you gave them. I dont know what would be best to do in this case, but if I was you I would wait untill this recovers back to normal and do some LIGHT girth work not to lose it. I think your aim should be not to gain, but to maintain what you have already worked upto so far (while you recover that is).

I have a question for you though- how do you manage to have a EQ good enough to go for these (since they are extremely intense). Mine is VERY weak- if I go for jelqs and squeeze hard- my EQ significantly falls down and would recover to 100% for a day or something.... . And you said hard girth work really makes your EQ not so good. How do you manage to go for it again? Cause of clamping?

I hope my answer above gave you at least a 2% idea of how to do it. But lets hear DLD on this, I think what he will say will be the BEST thing to do.

@jekyll: I think, Zam is right with the assumption that you increased intensity too fast. I made the experience that the occurrence of blood spots (smaller and a bit bigger ones) at a given level of intensity tend to stay away after a while, thus indicating it's time to go harder. I also think this is the cause why your huge temp exp. doesn't cement as well as you want it to because your dick is just not ready to hold that much blood, i.e. to sustainably adapt (on an cellular level>cementing) to the vast amount of blood pushed momentarily into it through your heavy clamping work.
Also, I've always wondered why some people here on the board get three or even four times as much temp expansion (especially with pumping and clamping) as me but haven't gained more than me in about the same amount of time. My temp exp. is nowhere near 0,75 or 0,5, in fact it has never surpassed the 0,2"-mark, yet I've gained about 0,6-0,7 inches in a bit less than 1,5 years.
I think the aforementioned explanation might be one if not the central reason for this.

@zam: if you heavily constrict your base (either with your hand or an additional technical device) the blood reflux is so minor that your dick stays hard for the time you perform the exercise, at least in my case. Though it isn't as efficient as with real good EQ, but it works.

The newest exercises I am releasing from the SRT Book are the top of the line as far as gaining goes. Girth is always benefitted from Slow Squash Jelqs and in the same spirit these new exercises have been created. I am dropping them one at a time to make sure the explanations are understood and practiced properly. The SRT Size Blaster is a Brilliant way to gain length and girth in one very powerful exercise. The new FleshLight Exercise that I will release today is again a very powerful and innovative (and pleasurable) way to pack on girth and length. For me girth became much quicker when I started to use both my hands to train, a lot like Slow Squash Jelqs. Ambidexterity, being very fluent in my life, allows me to use both hands and think of creative ways to do so, look towards these new ways to make new gains. We are no forgoing the old we are only ushering in the new.

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@jekyll: I think, Zam is right with the assumption that you increased intensity too fast. I made the experience that the occurrence of blood spots (smaller and a bit bigger ones) at a given level of intensity tend to stay away after a while, thus indicating it's time to go harder. I also think this is the cause why your huge temp exp. doesn't cement as well as you want it to because your dick is just not ready to hold that much blood, i.e. to sustainably adapt (on an cellular level>cementing) to the vast amount of blood pushed momentarily into it through your heavy clamping work.
Also, I've always wondered why some people here on the board get three or even four times as much temp expansion (especially with pumping and clamping) as me but haven't gained more than me in about the same amount of time. My temp exp. is nowhere near 0,75 or 0,5, in fact it has never surpassed the 0,2"-mark, yet I've gained about 0,6-0,7 inches in a bit less than 1,5 years.
I think the aforementioned explanation might be one if not the central reason for this.

@zam: if you heavily constrict your base (either with your hand or an additional technical device) the blood reflux is so minor that your dick stays hard for the time you perform the exercise, at least in my case. Though it isn't as efficient as with real good EQ, but it works.

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Ye, yesterday I did try constricted pumping. It was not like a real EQ pumping, but it still is good!

Great answers guys, i really appreciate it, thank you!
Zam- Yes, i might have to recover, your right, although i do hate the thought of it, because i like training and feeling like im accomplishing my goals.
And about my ability to stay hard, it's not so much that i can stay hard, because i use a clamp, all i have to do is get turned on and kegel blood in then clamp it in, which is why i have been able to exercise with less then perfect EQ.

Satyr- Yes! You know what, the funny things is, back when i would just do manual exercises like ssj and compression squeezes, i would gain small little amounts, but they cemented quickly!
Its just i would get turned off by the idea that they were little gains and decide to search for better expansion exercises.
And what you said about not getting enough blood into the shaft, pi think if i started a kegel routine that might help out with the whole thing.
You see here's the crazy things, im still a 1/4 fatter since my workout yeasterday and i feel as though i might cement this soon, so that why i don't want to give these up, because honestly i've never gotten expansion like this befor ever! lol

DLD- Yes, get what you mean aboiut using both hands, this is why i decided it waas best to bring in clamping, so i coul just clamp the base, and do squeezes with my other hands, and it works very well, but, i've never gotten expansion like i do from this one exercise, it's just this exercise is the one that gives me horrible blood bruises.
As far as the book, when do you think you will be releasing it, it sounds like it will be very beneficial for all of us, i would deffinitely love to have purchase it.
I do have one more question for you DLD, i always remeber you teaching to go for maximum expansion on the mos dvd, which makes perfect sense, its just that now that im getting major expansion, im causing shaft damage for some reason.
Could you possibly write a short list of of positive indicators of growth?
Im not talking about the usualy one that are in book and stuff, im talking about then type of indicators you would look for as far a girth gains are concerned.

Again, thank you to everyone for the help, it deffinitely helped!
And to DLD, thank you, for the great response!

What do you guys think would be the best routine for girth using only manuals?
NO devices!
Do me a favor and write what you think would be the best most intenes girth routine!
We have a lot of ''device'' based routines but it's been a while since we've had a srtictly manual routine created, it may be time to re-jog the manuals aswell!

jekyllnhyde360;581995 said:

Great answers guys, i really appreciate it, thank you!
Zam- Yes, i might have to recover, your right, although i do hate the thought of it, because i like training and feeling like im accomplishing my goals.
And about my ability to stay hard, it's not so much that i can stay hard, because i use a clamp, all i have to do is get turned on and kegel blood in then clamp it in, which is why i have been able to exercise with less then perfect EQ.

Satyr- Yes! You know what, the funny things is, back when i would just do manual exercises like ssj and compression squeezes, i would gain small little amounts, but they cemented quickly!
Its just i would get turned off by the idea that they were little gains and decide to search for better expansion exercises.
And what you said about not getting enough blood into the shaft, pi think if i started a kegel routine that might help out with the whole thing.
You see here's the crazy things, im still a 1/4 fatter since my workout yeasterday and i feel as though i might cement this soon, so that why i don't want to give these up, because honestly i've never gotten expansion like this befor ever! lol

DLD- Yes, get what you mean aboiut using both hands, this is why i decided it waas best to bring in clamping, so i coul just clamp the base, and do squeezes with my other hands, and it works very well, but, i've never gotten expansion like i do from this one exercise, it's just this exercise is the one that gives me horrible blood bruises.
As far as the book, when do you think you will be releasing it, it sounds like it will be very beneficial for all of us, i would deffinitely love to have purchase it.
I do have one more question for you DLD, i always remeber you teaching to go for maximum expansion on the mos dvd, which makes perfect sense, its just that now that im getting major expansion, im causing shaft damage for some reason.
Could you possibly write a short list of of positive indicators of growth?
Im not talking about the usualy one that are in book and stuff, im talking about then type of indicators you would look for as far a girth gains are concerned.

Again, thank you to everyone for the help, it deffinitely helped!
And to DLD, thank you, for the great response!

What do you guys think would be the best routine for girth using only manuals?
NO devices!
Do me a favor and write what you think would be the best most intenes girth routine!
We have a lot of ''device'' based routines but it's been a while since we've had a srtictly manual routine created, it may be time to re-jog the manuals aswell!

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Well I think that could go for SSJs, Jelqs, ULIs, Extreme Ulis (clamping), Bends, Isolation compression squeezes (!!!!!!!!!!), base clamped head squeezes, the exercise where you take a wooden piece, put your dick on it and start widening it (forgot the name). These are all good ones I said

I have exactly this same problem, jekylnhyde. I was just about to make a new topic but you said it all.
After my initial newbie gains many years ago, I haven't gained hardly any girth. For years I was just jelqing lightly so I wouldn't bruise up.
But I felt I wasn't getting any results if I wasn't doing it hard enough. So I got a Bathmate and finally got some expansion for the first time like the other guys I've read about on the forum. But then it bruised me up so I had to take a long break.
The bruising went away after many months so Now I'm trying some girth exercises again but only manual. I've increased the intensity of my jelqing and ssj's to where I get some awesome expansion but without the Bathmate. Problem is, its starting to darken and bruise my dick again.
I always warm up and warm down.
I just don't feel like I'm ever getting into a good girth routine because I always have to stop and rest as soon as I get going for a couple weeks

I just don't feel like I'm ever getting into a good girth routine because I always have to stop and rest as soon as I get going for a couple weeks

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Same here brother, it's almost down right depressing.
It's like don't go intense because you bruise up quickly and be off for 3 months, and don't go light because you'll get zero expansion and never make gains!>
Honestly im getting fed up with this, i've been commiting and really trying to make this work but every fucking time, i end up screwed!
That worst part is, im not even looking for some insanely huge gains, all i want is 1'' in length and 1 inch in girth.
I just don't know what to do anymore, and it's really bothering me.?

That's why I stuck to length, I know it works for me! :D

jekyllnhyde360;582010 said:

Same here brother, it's almost down right depressing.
It's like don't go intense because you bruise up quickly and be off for 3 months, and don't go light because you'll get zero expansion and never make gains!>
Honestly im getting fed up with this, i've been commiting and really trying to make this work but every fucking time, i end up screwed!
That worst part is, im not even looking for some insanely huge gains, all i want is 1'' in length and 1 inch in girth.
I just don't know what to do anymore, and it's really bothering me.?

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I hear you on this! Once I got my dick hit in the edge of the bathub. It was awful to look at! I was out for 1-2 weeks.

regarding the manual routine: I think the SSJ can't be missed. It's the backbone of my girth workout. You can easily vary the degree of intensity (can also be done clamped if necessary and/or with the aid of some solid object to put you dick against like that SSJ wall version or so) and hit all angles.
Also I have to concur with DLD's statement: the SRT size blasters are really potent stuff! Since I incorporated them into my workout last week I've already gained a bit in girth! So far they don't do much for length in my case (maybe cuz I have a hard time to get a really good pull with hand that's on the glans), but they induce great expansion that seems to solidify very soon.

edit: generally I'd guess that it might be better for you to refrain from clamping for now since your problems seem to recur regularly. With hands only you can control the intensity more efficiently. Also there are some quirks you can do with the SSJ (for exmaple as aforementioned the wall version) that still allow you to significantly up intensity but also to reduce adequately if shit's getting serious.

btw: how long did it take to get the 0,5" you've gained in girth?

That's why I stuck to length, I know it works for me! :D

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Me to, i think i will stick to length until im healed!

I hear you on this! Once I got my dick hit in the edge of the bathub. It was awful to look at! I was out for 1-2 weeks.

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Ya man, i hate taking time off, it slows down progress so much, and can be pretty devastating when you feel like your starting to gain!

edit: generally I'd guess that it might be better for you to refrain from clamping for now since your problems seem to recur regularly. With hands only you can control the intensity more efficiently. Also there are some quirks you can do with the SSJ (for exmaple as aforementioned the wall version) that still allow you to significantly up intensity but also to reduce adequately if shit's getting serious.

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Yes, im deff going to be doing some manual work for a while before i hit up the clamp again once this injury heals and i can start training girth again.
I think i know what might have been the problem, i was over compensating the intensity because of how shitty my erection was, so i ended up damaging my shaft.
I think that if i where to strengthen my erection through kegeling, i'd have better rigidity, and there for i could use moderate pressure when training.
Also, i recently thought of this, i think it may actually be more beneficial to train girth at lower erection %, and the reason why is because i noticed that when ever i train at 100% erect, i always get burst capillaries, but the few times i trained with lower EQ around 70-80 maybe even lower, i've gotten really good expansion and rarely got and damage.
But i thought because i wasn't expanding in a fully erect state, that it wouldn't cause plastic deformation, so i ditched it and kept training fully erect.
Now im starting to believe the expansion would have turned into gains even though it was at lower EQ i was training at.

Satyr;582023 said:

regarding the manual routine: I think the SSJ can't be missed. It's the backbone of my girth workout. You can easily vary the degree of intensity (can also be done clamped if necessary and/or with the aid of some solid object to put you dick against like that SSJ wall version or so) and hit all angles.
Also I have to concur with DLD's statement: the SRT size blasters are really potent stuff! Since I incorporated them into my workout last week I've already gained a bit in girth! So far they don't do much for length in my case (maybe cuz I have a hard time to get a really good pull with hand that's on the glans), but they induce great expansion that seems to solidify very soon.

edit: generally I'd guess that it might be better for you to refrain from clamping for now since your problems seem to recur regularly. With hands only you can control the intensity more efficiently. Also there are some quirks you can do with the SSJ (for exmaple as aforementioned the wall version) that still allow you to significantly up intensity but also to reduce adequately if shit's getting serious.

btw: how long did it take to get the 0,5" you've gained in girth?

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Thank You for Supporting SRT, PE 2.0!

no need to thank me, in fact I have to thank you as this exercise is really getting me forward. I'm very excited what other stuff you'll release soon.

@Jekyll: Yea, I believe that's a wise decision. down-regulation of the intensity and/or frequency is inexorable in such cases and therefore sometimes the faster way to gains. I'm convinced that ultra-hard workouts with very high frequency aren't the best choice for everyone.

Hey check out this thread:
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?20047-Blue-amp-Red-Spots-THE-CURE!

Extra heat has really helped me so far. I mean like almost burning hot water, without hurting myself. Check out my post in that thread.

wakingdream;582123 said:

Hey check out this thread:
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?20047-Blue-amp-Red-Spots-THE-CURE!

Extra heat has really helped me so far. I mean like almost burning hot water, without hurting myself. Check out my post in that thread.

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Old but still valid.

wakingdream said:

Hey check out this thread:
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?20047-Blue-amp-Red-Spots-THE-CURE!

Extra heat has really helped me so far. I mean like almost burning hot water, without hurting myself. Check out my post in that thread.

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Heat is very important in PE. I'm having a tough time gaining length now. If I seriously want more length, all I need is the MOSred. The MOSred when used together with the length master will break any plateau.

huge-girth said:

Heat is very important in PE. I'm having a tough time gaining length now. If I seriously want more length, all I need is the MOSred. The MOSred when used together with the length master will break any plateau.

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Exactly that's why the MOS red is so good.