How will I know for sure?

kong1971 said:

Wow! Cool story. I think. There's alot of debate here on MOS about what is real and what is in our heads concerning FR. Hopefully, as more restorers share their experiences, the doubters will have to realize that the benefits of FR are not psychosomatic.

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Yep. I'm very impressed by the fact that this stuff is being pioneered by amateurs like us largely unbeknown to the medical/scientific community. It makes our position harder to sell, though, because all we have is anecdotal evidence. Well, there's study about the ridged bands etc., but not about FR per se.

I think it's kinda sili to demand proof of FR, especially here on a penis enlargement site...I mean, the medical community doesn't even recognize Penis Enlargement! :D

Proof of some things is important, and I don't think there's anybody on this site that would say "well, we shouldn't have to support any statements we make, let's have a huge free-for-all where anything anybody says is probably true!" I'm assuming your feelings that no proof for anything said should be required extends to others besides yourself. If I started ten threads telling guys that slamming my penis in the shower door cemented my gains really well, don't you think a few people would want some proof, maybe debate the logistics of this a little bit, maybe have a few doubts? IF proof doesn't count around here, then it should.

For instance, positing that men are going to see faster gains or increased size through FR alone is something, that I for one, feel should be substantiated with proof. As a moderator and frequent poster, people would tend to take your word for many things, and until recently it was not known that your reasons for saying what you did about FR and size gains are based on a medical theory that you invented. To me that's not a great amount of proof, that's a person feeling like their personal intuition or 'hunch' was good enough evidence to tell men they could be expecting something.

Same thing when you went ahead and said that a fellow like me (my pictures are in the proof section) could never possibly FR because I lack the 'mucoscal tissue.' There is no discussion of this I can find anywhere on the internet, and from what I have seen elsewhere, I have a pretty normal amount of said tissue.

In this case you made a pretty definitive statement about who can and who can't successfuly FR without any proof whatsoever, just your own personal theory. In this case, I once again think that something along the lines of proof, or anything besides your personal opinion, would have been appropriate.

People demand a certain degree of proof or factual basis for Penis Enlargement related claims on this forum, FR topics shouldn't be above the law. Anybody is free to make any claim they want about it (better orgasms, better erections, fixes curves, gives women orgasms, the list goes on . . .), but if you don't have any proof besides what people have said on the internet, then it's hard to justify complaining when people say you can't support it very well.

What kong said about your lacking mucousal tissue is wrong, becuase I think he meant to say that there isnt much point in restoring if you havent got this tissue becuase you wont get that shiny smooth mucous head, it will still be dry without the mucous skin. Of course you can restore with or without, your shaft skin will still grow new cells but if you aint got much of that inner skin then maybe it isnt worth it.

If one can expand and stretch the external skin around their penis, why can't they do the same with the mucoscal tissue?? Skin is skin and if stretched with enough tension and for a long enough time, it should expand like everything else in the body. C'mon, people have actually expanded the bones in their legs... mucoscal tissues should be a no brainer. JMO.

You can expand it. It just takes alot longer. It's not skin. It's mucosal tissue.

I hear ya Kong...

It's funny... i just reread the last few posts and noticed that everyone has a dfferent spelling for the word "mucosal."

This is what you said . . .

"I thought swank's post was completely off in left field and actually pretty pathetic. I think swank has gotten very personally involved with this. I think swank has a narcissistic complex and a really, really big ego. I also think he is a frustrated EX-restorer who has issues because he does not have enough inner mucosal tissue to stretch. He knows an AWFUL lot about restoring, doesn't he? I also think he's a complete ass whose stuck on himself because he thinks his giant cock makes him a sexual expert, and he can't handle FR because he basically can't do it with such a lack of inner mucosal tissue and it makes him jealous."

Sounds like you said it can't be done to me. Granted, I am of the opinion that you comletely made this up in the heat of the moment.

My problem isn't so much as that you can't support it at all, because that's pretty much impossible in the first place - it's that you make stuff up when it suits you. If you put yourself in a position to advise and inform people, then make completely unfounded statements. Not too cool.

There's no evidence to say how much of that tissue you need that I can find online, and no information about whether or not some men's tissue is more productive than others, what its exact role is in the process, how much it can be stretched - like I said you BS'd it. There are plenty of restoring journals I have seen where the guy appears to have the same amount of that as I do and never mentions any troubles.

I feel like if you dropped comments like that in a different forum other people would object, but there seems to be different standards around here.

Either way, I think moderators at least ought to be held to certain standards - and not making stuff up out of the thin blue air and then claiming they didn't really say that afterwards are pretty good standards.

Here we go again.

I should have put a disclaimer on that saying the following: "This is an opinion supported only by anecdotal evidence and a couple online restoration diaries written by actual restorers who have restored their foreskins and reported their experiences. This statement is not supported by either NASA, nor the AMA, and should not be taken as gospel truth."

Feel better?

sikdogg said:

If one can expand and stretch the external skin around their penis, why can't they do the same with the mucoscal tissue?? Skin is skin and if stretched with enough tension and for a long enough time, it should expand like everything else in the body. C'mon, people have actually expanded the bones in their legs... mucoscal tissues should be a no brainer. JMO.

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You can expand it, but the rate of growth is so slow you'd have to be the most patient man alive to do it. It is also very hard to target the specific area as it is, let a lone if you haven't got much of it like Swank.

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15042

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You can do it Swank!

That is still extremely time consuming and difficult raffiki. no one is saying it CAN'T be done but it is mighty hard.

Actually I believe Kong originally said it can't be done. But like I said, I believe that he made that up entirely so Raffiki is probably closer to the right track. Either way, I don't think anybody knows anything about how much of that tissue is really necessary to properly FR. Kong if you've got some links as you claimed, now would be a good time to post them. You can trivialize what you do if you like - but it's my opinion, and will remain as much, that just making up things and presenting them as facts whenever it suits you isn't much of a way for a moderator or somebody who places themselves in an advsing position to behave. Trying to back peddle or deny it has any realevence isn't really swell either, but hey, it's your prerogotive. I wouldn't say it's even anecdotal when it's something you've just made up.

NatureUnveiled said:

I have a theory that there may some degree of sensory conpensation that occurs as a result of circumcision. Keep in mind that although the nerves in your penis detect sexual stimulation, sensation actually happens in the BRAIN. For instance, if the brain detects that it is no longer receiving signals from the foreskin because it has been cut off, it may start detecting signals from the frenulum remnant (or whatever) more strongly than it otherwise would have in order to conpensate. The same principle applies to people who report a heightened sense of hearing after going blind. This could result in people developing "hot spots" in very different areas, depending upon the concentration of nerves left in those areas and what they lost. Two people with the same amount of frenum but different amounts of other inner skin may report different levels of sensitivity in their frenums.

That is just a mostly-uneducated hypothesis that has been swimming about in my head for some time! Take it as you will.

There is a guy on another FR forum that I post on who has a similar theory. He suspects that some of the loss of sensation following circumcision results from the brain being condidioned to "tune out" the constant barrage of information vis-a-vis the exposed mucosal tissue continually being rubbed against harsh clothing. Have you ever been in a room with a very loud air conditioner that you don't even notice until it stops running? You're like "wow, I didn't even notice that grating sound." It was background noise. Foreskin restoration coverage may "retrain" your nervous system to not block out penile sensations because they are not occuring on a constant basis.

Like Kong, I keep myself covered 24/7 but when I try going without coverage, I literally can't stand it. The friction of the clothing is extremely obnoxious. I'm sure dekeratinization is the main cause, but there may be something to be said for the information overload theory.

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NatureUnveiled, you are correct on both counts.

Cheers!
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BTW, since there seems to be an unofficial poll... my sensitivity rating (most to least) is: frenulum > mucosal skin > glans > shaft skin. I was infant circ'd, loosely (thank God), and retain large portion of my frenulum.

What and where is the mucosal skin? I can see the frenulum thing, but not sure on the skin and yahoo searches are coming up empty (ok, not empty but WAY off base from what I'm looking for).

Thanks

Mucosal tissue is on the inner fold of the foreskin. It secretes a lubricating fluid to keep the glans moist and healthy on an intact man.

Circumcision removes differing amount of this skin, depending on what method was employed to remove the foreskin, and turns it inside out so that it is exposed on the shaft. On most men, it is the lighter colored skin between the circumcision scar and the head. Some cut men, however, have just a small band of this mucosal tissue left.

Since most methods of restoration call for the restorer to grip and pull at this point, a man with plenty of inner mucosal tissue will have an easier time restoring. Just have more to work with.

Well, since the ex took the digital camera i'm not able to give visual clues. Looking at myself I see the dark scar line around my penis about 1/2 inch (flaccid) from the head. The skin closer to the head looks to have a different texture than the skin from the scar and the base. When I say a different texture I mean it looks to be more ruff... hard to describe. Still looks to be the same color to me though. I guess this is it?

here is my inner mucosal tissue

Yep, looks the same. Thanks!

I'm going to work on the length and girth first, I can tell I'm getting some foreskin restoration as a side effect, and like that. I'll actually try and do FR once I get the length and girth I want (maybe 1-1.5 years away).

Thanks again.

Why not do both at the same time? I am utterly convinced that Penis Enlargement can be helped by doing foreskin restoration. Here is a progress pic of me over the course of about six months doing Penis Enlargement exercises and skin expansion.