How will I know for sure?

DLD · Feb 9, 2005

Categorically, this is my first day browsing many of the articles in this part of the forums. Due to my exorbitantly busy schedule I have allowed myself to fall behind in certain parts of the site. Please forgive me for my unscholarliness

I find all of this fascinating, even though I have no aspiration of restoring (I like my hat

), I am intrigued. I know very little about the process but there is one striking peculiarity that I would like to be educated on. My dilemma is this; I have read a handful of articles about post-restoration where it is suggested that most of the pre-circumcised function [ie, sensitivity, orgasmic benefits, nerve value, etc.] are returned to normalcy. Here is my problem, how would I even know if this is true unless I was circumcised after I already engaged in sexual activity?

I have, inadvertently, restored quite a bit of my foreskin through traditional Penis Enlargement and I wonder if in time as it becomes closer to my pre-circumcised state, will I feel these benefits and if I do, how will I know?

I also want to throw this out there too. I read a few things on the frenulum being responsible for much of the sensitivity. I lost my frenulum about 2 years ago (accident) and have not noticed any difference in sexual function or feeling in my post and pre state. Is this strange as far as the data is concerned?

kong1971 · Feb 9, 2005

I was thinking kind of along those lines myself today. My frenelum was removed during my circumcision. I never had it. I don't have any point of reference from which to even imagine what having it is like. I read on anti-circ sites, and they say the frenelum is an analog of the female clitoris. I bring it up here, and some guys have one and some don't. Swank says there's really nothing to it. No greater sensation. Prince Albert says there is much greater sensation. Ghost Dogg says that, in conjunction with the glans, it is the best part. I find myself getting really confused and frustrated about it. I know on the bottom side of my shaft, I have a little bit of frenelum left and it is very sensitive to touch and it is one of my spots. As I restore, I find that it is becoming more and more a point of stimulation for me. Like you said, though. How do I know? I really need an answer to this because it is driving me half-nuts. Is your fren completely gone or just ripped or what?

As far as how we restorers know what we can get back...some restorers have been men who restored after being circumcised in adulthood. The quote I can recall the best is one man saying that cut sex was a 5, uncut a 10, and restored a 7.

I know that the most dramatic benefits I have seen are improved flaccid hang, improved erect size, lessening of curvature and improved sexual pleasure and orgasm. I know some of my size is from Penis Enlargement, but I have communicated with other restorers who claim size gains from FR alone. I can't say that my pleasure and orgasms are as good as it would have been had I been uncut, but I can say it is alot better than it was. That's another thing I am starting to wonder, too. Going by what others say, I have to ask myself, How fucked up was my circ?!? Was I really that messed up? I talked with a good friend of mine today about it...very open and intimately...and I am really starting to reevaluate just how bad I got messed up compared to other men. Seems like everyone I talk to say they have a frenelum and never had any problems with sex. Am I a freak, or what? Who did my cut? Dr. Jekyl?

against_odds21 · Feb 9, 2005

For the sake of sounding stupid, what is the frenelum?

DLD · Feb 9, 2005

kong1971 said:
I read on anti-circ sites, and they say the frenelum is an analog of the female clitoris.

Thank God this is bullshit:D I lost no feeling either way

Perhaps they meant the Corpus?

You not missing any great loss here

Interesting information on the guy who was circumcised later in life, do you have his actual post or article? I would love to get that perspective.

DLD · Feb 9, 2005

against_odds21 said:
For the sake of sounding stupid, what is the frenelum?

The frenulum is a Y (upside down Y) shaped web of skin that connects the foreskin to the underside of the head of the penis.

Stuff_ · Feb 9, 2005

It's not the frenulum (the string-like part) so much that is the most sensitive part, but the bands or ridges of skin that curve away from it on the shaft, particularly directly below it, extending for about an inch and a half when erect. For me, that is. A tight circ would cut that part off. If that part was cut off, I can imagine I wouldn't feel very much pleasure at all from stimulation, the head and rest of the shaft barely have any 'pleasure' sensation to them, though the head does have a little. The ridges coming from the frenulum are the most sensitive part of it on me.

sikdogg · Feb 10, 2005

I have most of my frenulum and it's not any more sensitive then any other part of my shaft. By far, my glans is way way more sensitive than my frenulum. Personally, i don't see what the big deal about the frenulum is...

I was circumcized in my teens and since i wasn't sexually active at the time i can't say if there's much of a difference feelings wise during sex. I do know that i didn't notice any difference when masterbating. Felt good before and it still feels good today.

prince Albert · Feb 10, 2005

Well in my case when i'm close to cumming,just lightly rubbing my banjo string with the tip of my finger is enough to make me cum but just lightly rubbing the glans doesn't.

Just a thought but if the glans can become desensitized (sp) form circ then is it not likely that any remaining frenulum will be also.

sikdogg · Feb 10, 2005

prince Albert said:
...Just a thought but if the glans can become desensitized (sp) form circ then is it not likely that any remaining frenulum will be also.

I understand that... but the glans has much more propensity to become de- sensitized than the frenulum since it's much more exposed and likely to rub on everything. i just don't ever recall my frenulum being very sensitive. I guess it's different for each person.

German Stallion · Feb 10, 2005

I almost hate to get into this, because I don't really know either. But here is my observations: I have a full frenulum. Always have had, and was circumcised loose or not close. As I have done Penis Enlargement, especially the pumping I did early, I have restored the foreskin. Suddenly, or over a period of time, this frenulum has become a hot spot. It was not before foreskin restoration, but sure is now. Or, have I become more aware of myself? GS

raffiki · Feb 10, 2005

German Stallion said:
I almost hate to get into this, because I don't really know either. But here is my observations: I have a full frenulum. Always have had, and was circumcised loose or not close. As I have done Penis Enlargement, especially the pumping I did early, I have restored the foreskin. Suddenly, or over a period of time, this frenulum has become a hot spot. It was not before foreskin restoration, but sure is now. Or, have I become more aware of myself? GS

I've noticed a similar thing. I've been restoring for a while, and have also focused on stretching the skin on the underside of my penis. The skin is now normally rolled over the frenelum, and it seems to cause more stimulation now. I have yet to get coverage on my glans, so its kind of a half restoration.

DLD - The extra skin in itself will not cause many things to feel different. The glans need to be covered at least while you are active to be resensitized at all. Also it is important to restore as much of the inner foreskin as you can. This also should feel more sensitive if the outer skin rolls over it and keeps it covered. Have you noticed any of that?

kong1971 · Feb 10, 2005

Wow! Now this is how the FR forum should read! Thank you all for giving your input on this. It makes me feel alot better knowing that...well, there IS no definitive answer there. Some men have a very sensitive fren and some don't! Makes me feel better to know that, even if I had been uncut, it might not have been that big a deal for me anyway.

I have found as I restore that I have three hot spots. My glans, which has fairly DKed because I have alot of inner mucoasl tissue and it is juicy every time I tape, the fren remnants on the bottom side of the shaft, and a spot right below the c-scar on the back side, where I guess I might have just a tiny bit of ridged band tissue remaining.

I experimented last night with the fren tissue I have managed to restore, rubbing it, plucking it like Prince Albert said (:D banjo string) and it just got kind of sore...oh well...I'm not going to worry about it too much anymore. I think stuff, in my opinion, is probably closest. It's not the actual "banjo string" but the tissue connected to it...the ridged band. My hot spot actually seems to be the scar tissue running away from the fren...ridged band material?

Whatever, all I can say is that restoration has helped me immensely and I am happy with what I have got back so far.

bluenun · Feb 10, 2005

Kong, is the Frenulum lost in every circumcision?

Or does it depend who does the circumcision and how tightly?

I find this thread interesting because I get the best sensations from pulling what foreskin I have back, pulling the Frenulum tight.
I can sometimes just hold it in that position and it feels great

kong1971 · Feb 10, 2005

I don't know. That's what's so wrong about routine infant circumcision. This shit is cut off before we even know what it is all about. I have really no idea whatsoever. I don't know what the percentage of cut off frens is. I have talked to two friends about it now and both of them have their frens. I am stumped, cause everyone has a different opinion on the importance of the fren, and then there are some that don't even have one. I get some sensation when I pull my fauxskin up over the head, stretching the restored tissue upwards-- and it does feel really good-- but that is the extent of both my anatomy and my understanding.

NatureUnveiled · Feb 10, 2005

Kong: It makes me feel alot better knowing that...well, there IS no definitive answer there.

I concur completely!

By the way, hi, I'm new. Now that that's out of the way, I have a few comments to make on the subject. Some are theoretical, some are based on my experiences.

First of all, there seems to be wide variation in the intact penis, and there is probably even more in the circumcised penis, given the widely differing types of cuts that are out there. I have a theory that there may some degree of sensory conpensation that occurs as a result of circumcision. Keep in mind that although the nerves in your penis detect sexual stimulation, sensation actually happens in the BRAIN. For instance, if the brain detects that it is no longer receiving signals from the foreskin because it has been cut off, it may start detecting signals from the frenulum remnant (or whatever) more strongly than it otherwise would have in order to conpensate. The same principle applies to people who report a heightened sense of hearing after going blind. This could result in people developing "hot spots" in very different areas, depending upon the concentration of nerves left in those areas and what they lost. Two people with the same amount of frenum but different amounts of other inner skin may report different levels of sensitivity in their frenums.

That is just a mostly-uneducated hypothesis that has been swimming about in my head for some time! Take it as you will.

There is a guy on another FR forum that I post on who has a similar theory. He suspects that some of the loss of sensation following circumcision results from the brain being condidioned to "tune out" the constant barrage of information vis-a-vis the exposed mucosal tissue continually being rubbed against harsh clothing. Have you ever been in a room with a very loud air conditioner that you don't even notice until it stops running? You're like "wow, I didn't even notice that grating sound." It was background noise. Foreskin restoration coverage may "retrain" your nervous system to not block out penile sensations because they are not occuring on a constant basis.

Like Kong, I keep myself covered 24/7 but when I try going without coverage, I literally can't stand it. The friction of the clothing is extremely obnoxious. I'm sure dekeratinization is the main cause, but there may be something to be said for the information overload theory.

In regard to the frenum: I think I have most of mine but it is severed at the base where it meets the scar line. It is impossible to know how much of it is missing because I was cut at birth. The "banjo-string" itself is fairly sensitive, but the scar tissue directly underneath it is without a doubt the most sensitive part of my penis. This part is a triangular scar that joins the line that goes around the circumference. Incidentally, the scar line itself is probably the second most sensitive area. Generally speaking, the inner skin is more sensitive than the glans.

I'm not sure why the scar areas should be so sensitive. These areas would not have been exposed had I not been circumcised, so i wonder what was over them!

Incidentally, I was never aware of any special sensations in the frenulum before starting FR. In fact, I don't remember any noticible difference in the sensations of the glans, inner mucosa, etc.

kausion_420 · Feb 11, 2005

doublelongdaddy said:
Here is my problem, how would I even know if this is true unless I was circumcised after I already engaged in sexual activity?

That is a really good question. I have asked that to myself as well. Most males are cut at birth long before their penis goes through changes with puberty.

I guess you would get more sensitive once you started covering up all the time. Would take awhile IMO to notice fully.

I have gone days where I would be pulled back through the day and it didn't really desensitize me so I don't know.

kong1971 · Feb 11, 2005

I noticed sensitivity increases within a few days, but just slight improvement. The increase in sensitivity was more notable after a couple months. NatureUnveiled, you definitely need to hang around and post! Your observations and thoughts were very interesting. Like you, my scar is also very sensitive. I believe it is remnants of ridged band tissue.

TheExecutioner · Feb 11, 2005

NatureUnveiled said:
I concur completely!

By the way, hi, I'm new. Now that that's out of the way, I have a few comments to make on the subject. Some are theoretical, some are based on my experiences.

First of all, there seems to be wide variation in the intact penis, and there is probably even more in the circumcised penis, given the widely differing types of cuts that are out there. I have a theory that there may some degree of sensory conpensation that occurs as a result of circumcision. Keep in mind that although the nerves in your penis detect sexual stimulation, sensation actually happens in the BRAIN. For instance, if the brain detects that it is no longer receiving signals from the foreskin because it has been cut off, it may start detecting signals from the frenulum remnant (or whatever) more strongly than it otherwise would have in order to conpensate. The same principle applies to people who report a heightened sense of hearing after going blind. This could result in people developing "hot spots" in very different areas, depending upon the concentration of nerves left in those areas and what they lost. Two people with the same amount of frenum but different amounts of other inner skin may report different levels of sensitivity in their frenums.

That is just a mostly-uneducated hypothesis that has been swimming about in my head for some time! Take it as you will.

There is a guy on another FR forum that I post on who has a similar theory. He suspects that some of the loss of sensation following circumcision results from the brain being condidioned to "tune out" the constant barrage of information vis-a-vis the exposed mucosal tissue continually being rubbed against harsh clothing. Have you ever been in a room with a very loud air conditioner that you don't even notice until it stops running? You're like "wow, I didn't even notice that grating sound." It was background noise. Foreskin restoration coverage may "retrain" your nervous system to not block out penile sensations because they are not occuring on a constant basis.

Like Kong, I keep myself covered 24/7 but when I try going without coverage, I literally can't stand it. The friction of the clothing is extremely obnoxious. I'm sure dekeratinization is the main cause, but there may be something to be said for the information overload theory.

In regard to the frenum: I think I have most of mine but it is severed at the base where it meets the scar line. It is impossible to know how much of it is missing because I was cut at birth. The "banjo-string" itself is fairly sensitive, but the scar tissue directly underneath it is without a doubt the most sensitive part of my penis. This part is a triangular scar that joins the line that goes around the circumference. Incidentally, the scar line itself is probably the second most sensitive area. Generally speaking, the inner skin is more sensitive than the glans.

I'm not sure why the scar areas should be so sensitive. These areas would not have been exposed had I not been circumcised, so i wonder what was over them!

Incidentally, I was never aware of any special sensations in the frenulum before starting FR. In fact, I don't remember any noticible difference in the sensations of the glans, inner mucosa, etc.

Excellent theory. I do fully beelive that this does happen, on what scale though is something we cannot know.

NatureUnveiled · Feb 11, 2005

Thank you Kong! I'll definitely continute to post. This seems like a fun community!

I think your ridged band remnant idea is a plausible one. I've always been confused about where the ridged bands actually are.

Like you, most of my sensitivity gains came gradually. There was a very specific point, though, when I experienced a massive skin shedding on my glans. All at once this stuff started peeling off. It was a bit scary looking!

[insert clever, deft transition]

I'll share a rather horrifying anecdote that relates to gradual sensitivity gains.

One of the cool things about FR is that there are benefits during every stage of the process. I mean, if one were to stop after only a year, I don't think it would be time wasted. It's not as though all the payoff comes at the end. That being said, it's easy to become somewhat oblivious of the finer points of sensitivity gain because it happens so gradually. You don't notice a kid growing if you see him everyday, but Aunt Beatrix who hasn't seen him in two years sure does!

Well, if there was a time when I had doubts, it was shattered during a trip to Mexico I took last Summer. If I wear briefs, I can maintain coverage for long periods of time without any devices. While I was in Mexico, however, I went on a five, maybe six hour cruise out to an island and went snorkling. I wore swimming trunks and my cock came uncovered during the boat ride. I didn't think too much of it at the time, but I soon began to notice pain coming from my genitals. My glans was rubbing against the inner lining of the swimming suit, which was a harsh, water-proof "netting." I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. It was very uncomfortable so I took very delicate steps after that in order to minimize the discomfort.

Despite my efforts, I still felt the occasional scratching and it became worse after I got in the salt water. When I got back to the hotel, I undressed and was horrified by what I saw between my legs. My glans was a bright RED as though it had been severely sunburnt. When I touched it, it burned like hell. Bits of sand were also stuck to it, which I'm sure didn't help. I guess the abrasive material rubbed it raw and the salt added to the damage.

I was seriously very close to crying. Not because of of the physical pain, but because this ordeal was totally unnecessary. This didn't have to happen. It wasn't supposed to happen. I visited the beach a lot during my childhood and wore similar swimming gear but never experienced anything like this before. The mucosa must have been really keratinized before to not be affected.

The universe told me right then and there that the sensitivity gains weren't just in my head. This was a very visceral confirmation.

kong1971 said:
I noticed sensitivity increases within a few days, but just slight improvement. The increase in sensitivity was more notable after a couple months. NatureUnveiled, you definitely need to hang around and post! Your observations and thoughts were very interesting. Like you, my scar is also very sensitive. I believe it is remnants of ridged band tissue.

kong1971 · Feb 11, 2005

Wow! Cool story. I think.

There's alot of debate here on MOS about what is real and what is in our heads concerning FR. Hopefully, as more restorers share their experiences, the doubters will have to realize that the benefits of FR are not psychosomatic. I noted my glans shedding twice so far, once after about three months and then again after about six months. It was not dramatic. It was kind of like sunburned skin peeling off in little peices. It was kind of freaky, tho! I was like, "OHmygod, what did I do to it!?"

How will I know for sure?

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