has anyone made major gains from just wrapping and/or cockring only?

I'm starting to wonder if high intensity PE is what really causes growth or if frequent low intensity throughout the day can create more blood flow and overall more growth. The reason I ask is throughout my noob gains I had great EQ, and as my growth slowed and we add intensity the EQ must suffer at some point... I feel like good EQ = good gains... and when we sacrifice EQ the gains are actually being compromised. Passive PE like wrapping or cock rings seem to actually benefit EQ when done correctly. Maybe I'm wrong and I need MORE intensity and then MORE recovery time... Let me know what you guys think.

acromegaly;645987 said:

I'm starting to wonder if high intensity PE is what really causes growth or if frequent low intensity throughout the day can create more blood flow and overall more growth. The reason I ask is throughout my noob gains I had great EQ, and as my growth slowed and we add intensity the EQ must suffer at some point... I feel like good EQ = good gains... and when we sacrifice EQ the gains are actually being compromised. Passive PE like wrapping or cock rings seem to actually benefit EQ when done correctly. Maybe I'm wrong and I need MORE intensity and then MORE recovery time... Let me know what you guys think.

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I find this kinda of true if I do to much girth work and it kills my equal.I also find it hard to gain length due to fluid retention it seems. As when I get fluid retention I can't hang or extend as it gets too sore. But I believe the bathmate to be a good addition after length work is done.for me I can have a intense pump and superset with slow squash jelqs every 2nd to 3rd day. I like to do both low intensity(extender) along with high intensity(hanging,manual pulls).it takes the guess work out and your bound to get more length gains.For me length seems to be a struggle but not for long. The SRT routine is a good place to start as well. I find it more important to keep the PC and internal muscles fatigued. Some erection quality should be expected to be loss while going for gains. I won't take a break unless I cant fuck a girl. On break days which I keep minimum I still extend and keep my unit wrapped and enlongated with the uncle Jim's wrap when not extending.Everybodys body might response different. I believe healthy nutrition is a big part of penis gains.

i might just be over analyzing (i do that a lot)
i just came to the realization today that my PE noob gains are OVER, and any more girth gains now are going to be hard work. im a little frustrated and questioning myself. its been 5-6 months since measuring in December and it seems ive only gained 1/4 inch... I guess reality is a bitch, nobody makes gains forever.

acromegaly, how much length have you gained ?

Commodore;645994 said:

acromegaly, how much length have you gained ?

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None I just started length training last week when I got my LengthMaster

acromegaly;645987 said:

I'm starting to wonder if high intensity PE is what really causes growth or if frequent low intensity throughout the day can create more blood flow and overall more growth. The reason I ask is throughout my noob gains I had great EQ, and as my growth slowed and we add intensity the EQ must suffer at some point... I feel like good EQ = good gains... and when we sacrifice EQ the gains are actually being compromised. Passive PE like wrapping or cock rings seem to actually benefit EQ when done correctly. Maybe I'm wrong and I need MORE intensity and then MORE recovery time... Let me know what you guys think.

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acromegaly;645996 said:

None I just started length training last week when I got my LengthMaster

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I edited my first post added a couple of things. I have gained base girth from hanging as well. But I always combine hanging with manual stretches and extending. I find length work a important part of girth gains. Don't forget about clamping and crushers. There good for girth as well. Here's a old thread I posted about length how length and girth go together probably most of the time.

acromegaly;645987 said:

I'm starting to wonder if high intensity PE is what really causes growth or if and we add intensity the EQ must suffer at some point... I feel like good EQ = good gains... and when we sacrifice EQ the gains are actually being compromised. Passive PE like wrapping or cock rings seem to actually benefit EQ when done correctly. Maybe I'm wrong and I need MORE intensity and then MORE recovery time... Let me know what you guys think.

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Here's the thread I find it a good read from a more scientific perspective..

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...stetched-length-smooth-muscle-and-tunica.html

wraps and cockrings are more of the healing process and not the workout......

pogzee;646016 said:

wraps and cockrings are more of the healing process and not the workout......

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yes but you can do them constantly, you dont really need a break. with stuff like pumping/hanging you need to recover and the more intensity you add eventually EQ suffers. I have read a couple threads about cock ring only for girth, but I do wonder about wrapping/ADS only for length too. Im just thinking for having sex everyday and 100% EQ maybe less is more and still make good gains. a healthy penis makes more gains

acromegaly;646045 said:

yes but you can do them constantly, you dont really need a break. with stuff like pumping/hanging you need to recover and the more intensity you add eventually EQ suffers. I have read a couple threads about cock ring only for girth, but I do wonder about wrapping/ADS only for length too. Im just thinking for having sex everyday and 100% EQ maybe less is more and still make good gains. a healthy penis makes more gains

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yes but i was only aswring the question you asked ...... yes you have to wear them all the time when not doing PE...
healing is a part of PE also btw...lol

acromegaly;646045 said:

yes but you can do them constantly, you dont really need a break. with stuff like pumping/hanging you need to recover and the more intensity you add eventually EQ suffers. I have read a couple threads about cock ring only for girth, but I do wonder about wrapping/ADS only for length too. Im just thinking for having sex everyday and 100% EQ maybe less is more and still make good gains. a healthy penis makes more gains

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you can gain girth from just using a cock ring and edging. keeping in mind to not lose circulation for too long. As long as it is tight enough to swell the penis to create gains. You can and should gain from using a extender(should be done with manual or other intensity work before extending for better gains). But just wrapping the penis without any manual or intense length work and you'll just get flaccid gains.

acromegaly;645987 said:

I'm starting to wonder if high intensity PE is what really causes growth or if frequent low intensity throughout the day can create more blood flow and overall more growth. The reason I ask is throughout my noob gains I had great EQ, and as my growth slowed and we add intensity the EQ must suffer at some point... I feel like good EQ = good gains... and when we sacrifice EQ the gains are actually being compromised. Passive PE like wrapping or cock rings seem to actually benefit EQ when done correctly. Maybe I'm wrong and I need MORE intensity and then MORE recovery time... Let me know what you guys think.

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Like girthgains said, you gain from edging with a cock ring (and wearing it the rest of the day) for sure. The user Longth made great gains with it (and uses this method as the only girth method atm) and I've been applying this method too since I bought my first ring 3 months ago. Fact is that with ringed edging I even get the same amount of temp expansion as with intense manual girth workouts. But even better: I get up to max expansion almost immediately with the beginning of the session, whereas it takes me 10-15 mins to get there when doing manual girth work. You also have continuous pressure on your cock, while during manual work it's interspersed by breaks (and thus loss of pressure) due to losing erection and getting erect again. On top of that, I never get any red spots with the ring edging method (which I'm prone to even if I prepare well when doing manuals). So it also seems to be more safe somehow, given that you loosen the ring every 20 mins or so (can't come up with a thorough theoretical explanation for this phenomenon this time)

To sum it up in all honesty: In my case I only see advantages compared to regular manual workouts.
With length and wrapping I can't tell you anything substantial.

and please tell me how much you've gained girthwise and within which timeline. 0,25 " in 6 months is really nothing to complain about, imo.

but only one can be worked at a time....either ace wrap or cocring..........if you focus on one only then its good but if u do 2 sessions a day for length and girth then its awesome...cuz u can use both ....lol

You will make gains but the rate of gain will be much lower than if you used a traditional workout.

It makes sense in theory. I've never suffered with poor EQ from stretching and length work but did once with girth work. I took a few days off and my EQ was good to go. Unfortunately that got in the way of my consistency and I fell off the wagon

doublelongdaddy;646109 said:

You will make gains but the rate of gain will be much lower than if you used a traditional workout.

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Did you actually try it this way or is your assumption a theoretical extrapolation? Because I'm not sure if this holds true in my case (for reasons I listed above) and maybe it also doesn't for some others (like Longth for example). Individuals react very different due to very different physiological preconditions that will subvert general (nomological) propositions to a certain degree.

Just an example: I've never experienced more than 0,2 or 0,25 inches (at most) of temp expansion. Despite this comparably low rate, I've gained ok and partially more than or just as much as some other guys who regularly get to 0,5" or more. this evidence challenges the hypothesis about the proportional correlation of temporary expansion rate and permanent gains rate.

Not that I'm the biggest gainer in girth, but what I learned from this is that my disability to achieve higher temp expansion rates (and I tried a lot with very high intensity, the only thing I didn't try so far is the BM) doesn't hinder me from getting decent perm gains.

Edit: what I wanted to say to Acro is that the safest method to test a hypothesis about a specific object is - not surprisingly - to put it to the test. So just go for it for some time and please offer us your results.

Edit 2: just to clarify: I'm talking about edging with a cock ring combined with SRTish wearing a ring all day just as proposed by girthgains. Only wearing a ring all day - as proposed by Acromegaly - without any stimulation and thus increased expansion for a certain period of time would seem way less efficient to me, too. At least, this is what I'm guessing...because I've never tried that.

I'm still doing bathmate and LengthMaster but I'm keeping the sets 10-15 min short and I have been experimenting with a cock ring and just plain wrapping. My EQ is back at 100% with crazy long lasting morning wood. I guess I still need the devices I just can't go overboard with intensity or my gains will suck. Feeling super thick

Also I've been doing all my jelqing/warm down with coconut oil and my skin has never felt so nice. It almost looks like the PE discoloration is fading and again, it feels fucking awesome lol just shower afterwards

Those devices got to do the trick..The Lenght Master is the one one that can get me off the hook...

shortdick;646189 said:

Those devices got to do the trick..The Lenght Master is the one one that can get me off the hook...

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In a perfect world every user would have the prime 4 tools:

The LengthMaster
The BathMate
The SizeGenetics
The Phallosan

These tools with proper form in manual exercises will bring gains to anyone quickly. What is important is that the tools are used in the proper ways and manual exercises are done with good intensity and form. With this set up there is no reason a man couldn't do 24 hour a day PE. The routine is obvious but I will write it out:

24 Hours of PE a day
Basic stretching in the morning followed by attachment of SizeGenetics. Use the SizeGenetics throughout the day for an hour at a time. Each hour take off and get in 3-5 minutes of basic stretching. This can be done for the first 8 hours of the day. After the SizeGenetics it is time for a good 30-60 minutes of LengthMaster work, following the basic workout of rolls, twists and expressive work. Once this is accomplished the BathMate session can go into effect. The routine with the BathMate follows the SRT methodology, Girth program (SRT 5x5x3) (5 minutes in the BathMate, 5 minutes of SlowSquashJelqs, then repeat 3 times). Give yourself an hours rest and then put on your Phallosan for the rest of the night until the next morning where you will start the process all over.